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several phones/media links

do you get the choice of what media link your phone connects to?
i have several monitors/media links that i'd like to send content to so would hope its selectable without having to faff with wires/enabling the media link i want atm

anyone

UPDATE: its rubbish. in so much as everytime you want to send from phone to link. that phone has to be paired to the hd link and that involves pressing a button on the hd link so its not a fit and forget

Well thanks for the update, despite the lack of response here. You are a gent.

to add some more waffle for those who may want to know, my stock rom 4.0.3 and this media link do not allow the screen of the phone to sleep while using browser,bt keyboard and mouse, well it will but as soon as you move the mouse or type it wakes the screen. the reason i say that is i have it setup to a hdmi monitor for surfing but the phone screen stays on and we all know what that equals! but pc feel surfing with full size keyboard and mouse has been achieved

[Beta, x86/ARM] Onscreen Joystick

Onscreen Joystick
By Netham45, Version Beta 1​I've been working on this for Windows RT/Windows 8 off and on (more off than on), and I think it's ready for a beta tag.
I'm eventually planning on selling this somewhere for $5 or something, but it'll always be free on XDA.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Features:
Configurable for positions/keys pressed
Multi-touch support
Written in .Net, so one binary works on ARM and x86/x64
Open-Source
Documentation on how to use the configs should be at the top of the provided sample config.
Since this -is- the first public release, please let me know of any bugs you have with it, by posting in this thread and not by PMing me.
Known bugs:
Does not work with fullscreen applications (games/apps must run windowed)
Does not update smoothly (due to me using forms to render)
Quake 2 on Windows RT does not accept input from this app

Very nice! I don't know if it can be decompiled or serve as inspiration but comfort keyboard pro can stay on screen in almost any game I threw at it. Problem is it's kinda buggy and doesn't take well resolution changes, also the screen behind the keyboard gets pressed too.
Anyway, great app! this is certainly a must have for Win8!

I was thinking about making such program myself, but I don't know how to draw my own controls above fullscreen DirectX or D3D programs, so I have not even started.

mamaich said:
I was thinking about making such program myself, but I don't know how to draw my own controls above fullscreen DirectX or D3D programs, so I have not even started.
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You'd basically have to inject into the DirectX process and hook the drawing and input functions.

netham45 said:
You'd basically have to inject into the DirectX process and hook the drawing and input functions.
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Yes, I'm doing that in my project (private build for now) - as I emulate DX anyway. But I've thought about an easier method. Maybe overlays, or something like that.

Very nice, looking forward to use this with various emulators

Great idea! I don't own Windows 8 with a touchscreen, but I can imagine the convenience of having this for light-to-moderate gaming, especially on the go! It already looks like it, but if not it would be cool to show each button as there respective keyboard command. So if button binded to keyboard "X" key were changed to keyboard "P" instead, the button itself would change, respectively. Good luck with it.

Thanks, great app !!! Did you use it with epsxe (playstation emulator) ? It works ?
(doesn't have my win8 here with me)
Thanks !

I don't actually own a Windows 8 tablet, only a Windows RT one, so I can't test it with ePSXe

Ok, netham45. I'll test it as soon as i'll get my Asus vivotab and report here. Want me to do some kind of beta-test ? Thanks, again !!
TheMac

Right I need some help here, I want to create a second stick so that I can use mouse controls. couöd you help me set this up? i want to play minecraft heh

jonthe838 said:
Right I need some help here, I want to create a second stick so that I can use mouse controls. couöd you help me set this up? i want to play minecraft heh
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not sure that will work as the clicks on the screen "are the mouse"
was sorta thinking of the same sorta thing for FTL, as the touchscreen dont respond properly in game.
Also works great on asus vivotab (me400) full win 8. With FTL.
Have you thought about Putting the sources up in github so ppl can push commits and help you develop it
I grabbed the zip and made a few changes. Want me to send you a zip back?
I made a basic program to test the above theory, and i could not get it to work
the "Mouse Thumbstick" makes the app you are trying to control loose focus.
Pvy.

DEV Feedback
Hey guys,
First I would like to apologize to Netham45, I did contact him earlier today directly when I did not yet have permission to post here. Second, I would like to thank XDA to allow me to post my first post here.
I've been working very hard on and off for the past few weeks from the original sources. I have completely rewrote a vast majority of the original source code, but kept the underlying principles. Everything is becoming a little bit more object-oriented.
Here's what I've been up to:
- Direct X support
- Multiple analog joystick
- Mouse support (analog joystick)
- Touchscreen as a mouse device
- Preliminary Edit mode to move buttons around
- System action buttons ( popup keyboard, edit mode, exit, etc)
Regarding "Touchscreen as a mouse device", In FPS or MMO, touching the screen is badly interpreted and the "mouse-view" system becomes chaotic and uncontrollable. By re-emulating mouse input from the touchscreen, I've been able to control mouse-view in game and mouse "mechanics".
I'm currently re-writing again some part of the software, I'm taking the edit mode out of the gameplay mode, separation purposes. I need to address some little issues and complete my mouse emulation on the touchscreen. It's been a lot of fun adding support, a lot of learning how to interrupt and inject back into windows os.
Now all of this is done on my spare time, on and off. It's something that I like to do, but I have a family, kids and game commitment (SW:TOR Guildmaster).
Right now, here are the games I've been playing with a fair amount of success :
SW:The Old Republic (MMO)
Team Fortress 2 (FPS)
Alien Swarm (shoot-em up)
As soon as I get a feedback from Netham45 and I feel I can release an update, I'll do.
pvyParts said:
not sure that will work as the clicks on the screen "are the mouse"
was sorta thinking of the same sorta thing for FTL, as the touchscreen dont respond properly in game.
Also works great on asus vivotab (me400) full win 8. With FTL.
Have you thought about Putting the sources up in github so ppl can push commits and help you develop it
I grabbed the zip and made a few changes. Want me to send you a zip back?
I made a basic program to test the above theory, and i could not get it to work
the "Mouse Thumbstick" makes the app you are trying to control loose focus.
Pvy.
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LilCthulhu said:
Hey guys,
First I would like to apologize to Netham45, I did contact him earlier today directly when I did not yet have permission to post here. Second, I would like to thank XDA to allow me to post my first post here.
I've been working very hard on and off for the past few weeks from the original sources. I have completely rewrote a vast majority of the original source code, but kept the underlying principles. Everything is becoming a little bit more object-oriented.
Here's what I've been up to:
- Direct X support
- Multiple analog joystick
- Mouse support (analog joystick)
- Touchscreen as a mouse device
- Preliminary Edit mode to move buttons around
- System action buttons ( popup keyboard, edit mode, exit, etc)
Regarding "Touchscreen as a mouse device", In FPS or MMO, touching the screen is badly interpreted and the "mouse-view" system becomes chaotic and uncontrollable. By re-emulating mouse input from the touchscreen, I've been able to control mouse-view in game and mouse "mechanics".
I'm currently re-writing again some part of the software, I'm taking the edit mode out of the gameplay mode, separation purposes. I need to address some little issues and complete my mouse emulation on the touchscreen. It's been a lot of fun adding support, a lot of learning how to interrupt and inject back into windows os.
Now all of this is done on my spare time, on and off. It's something that I like to do, but I have a family, kids and game commitment (SW:TOR Guildmaster).
Right now, here are the games I've been playing with a fair amount of success :
SW:The Old Republic (MMO)
Team Fortress 2 (FPS)
Alien Swarm (shoot-em up)
As soon as I get a feedback from Netham45 and I feel I can release an update, I'll do.
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any chance of having a look at some of it? or the current functioning binary?
i didn't put that much time into it
be pretty happy to help where i can.
Pvy.

Feel free to post your developments on it.

Thanks Netham,
I'll try to consolidate some part of the code, I'd like my mouse support to be better that what it is right now and I'll try to have a tentative release in a few days minus the edit mode that I'm basically tearing apart right now
Right now, my mouse support works well for a while and then becomes a little bit chaotic, I'd like to explain what I mean by that, but anybody who have played a FPS or MMO and touched the screen must know what I'm talking about. So right now, sometimes my code will trigger properly or not with not effect really... when it does 99% of the time it does well, with 1% with the same chaotic movement. It works well in MMOs, in FPS, it's different. For example in Team Fortress, for the first few seconds, it doesn't, then it works... it's not really related to how I code AFAIK. In SWTOR, it works very well... using the touchscreen or a 2nd analog joystick to mouse view stuff is awesome
Now I'll try to explain how mouse view works in a vast majority of games. When you use mouse-view, it kinda hide the mouse cursor and calculates movement from the center of the screen. Micro movement on the mouse means major camera movement. If you would click anywhere on the screen without my version of the on-screen joystick, the camera would go crazy and spin several time. What I do in code is center the mouse cursor then, slightly move it based on the touch mouvement, and voila works well
Now I wouldn't raid with that, but for leveling and doing solo quest, it works well...

LilCthulhu said:
Thanks Netham,
I'll try to consolidate some part of the code, I'd like my mouse support to be better that what it is right now and I'll try to have a tentative release in a few days minus the edit mode that I'm basically tearing apart right now
Right now, my mouse support works well for a while and then becomes a little bit chaotic, I'd like to explain what I mean by that, but anybody who have played a FPS or MMO and touched the screen must know what I'm talking about. So right now, sometimes my code will trigger properly or not with not effect really... when it does 99% of the time it does well, with 1% with the same chaotic movement. It works well in MMOs, in FPS, it's different. For example in Team Fortress, for the first few seconds, it doesn't, then it works... it's not really related to how I code AFAIK. In SWTOR, it works very well... using the touchscreen or a 2nd analog joystick to mouse view stuff is awesome
Now I'll try to explain how mouse view works in a vast majority of games. When you use mouse-view, it kinda hide the mouse cursor and calculates movement from the center of the screen. Micro movement on the mouse means major camera movement. If you would click anywhere on the screen without my version of the on-screen joystick, the camera would go crazy and spin several time. What I do in code is center the mouse cursor then, slightly move it based on the touch mouvement, and voila works well
Now I wouldn't raid with that, but for leveling and doing solo quest, it works well...
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That's pretty much what I was doing. But... I was having problems passing clicks through.
Pvy
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Quick update...
In the past few days, I've written a complete overhaul of the touch system, I had made some design mistakes on purpose along the way. Mainly to allow controls to be move/resized on screen... I'm now starting to implement an Edit Mode that works outside of the Gameplay mode. I've been working on serializing/deserializing object to save/load templates. So I guess, I'm about to work on the edit mode...
The hardest part is keeping everything working with the passing of events (mouse mostly) to the application, and trying to copy the cursor back to the application itself just to maximise a kind of blend in between the multiple layers on screen. One slight changes can break everything...
I'm going to explain how things works :
The Gamepad Mode is either active or inactive.
When inactive, the windows soft keyboard can be opened and use as usual and you can control your table with the usual touch interface. However, no control appears on screen.
When active, the software takes over every touch input and interprets it according to two modes:
The Gamepad mode where touch events are only interpreted by on screen visual objects. In this state, outside of the gamepad controls, the touch input is totally disabled.
The Touchscreen mode where touch events are interpreted by the on screen visual objects and the rest of the surface can be used as cursor/mouse view input, basically it completely reproduce a touchscreen device... Right now you can tap the screen to move the cursor to the tap location and left click OR you can move the cursor around. With that you have on screen buttons that replicate the mouse buttons.
All of that works pretty well.
This week I will try to implement a quick Edit Mode with load/save capabilites and the possibility to add controls on screen and to edit them. This will allow you to add Analog Gamepad to control the Mouse or Keyboard (WASD, QWES, Arrow Keys), mouse button and mouse scroll buttons (scroll up or down) and "simple" keyboard to replicate number and letters. Eventually I will add Shift/Control/Alt Keyboard command.
I'd like to have a small list of alpha testers, so if you're interested, let me know. Basically with Alpha, I'm not going to try to support a particular game, I'm looking for major issues that make it so that the software becomes unusable. If a software doesn't work, I'm not "yet" going to spend time trying to fix it, so it's mainly to figure out major bugs.
With Beta, I will start implementing other functions that I have may not thought in advance and that will cover multiple games.
Once it's released, then I'll look into providing support for particular games based on popularity and demands...

LilCthulhu said:
Quick update...
In the past few days, I've written a complete overhaul of the touch system, I had made some design mistakes on purpose along the way. Mainly to allow controls to be move/resized on screen... I'm now starting to implement an Edit Mode that works outside of the Gameplay mode. I've been working on serializing/deserializing object to save/load templates. So I guess, I'm about to work on the edit mode...
The hardest part is keeping everything working with the passing of events (mouse mostly) to the application, and trying to copy the cursor back to the application itself just to maximise a kind of blend in between the multiple layers on screen. One slight changes can break everything...
I'm going to explain how things works :
The Gamepad Mode is either active or inactive.
When inactive, the windows soft keyboard can be opened and use as usual and you can control your table with the usual touch interface. However, no control appears on screen.
When active, the software takes over every touch input and interprets it according to two modes:
The Gamepad mode where touch events are only interpreted by on screen visual objects. In this state, outside of the gamepad controls, the touch input is totally disabled.
The Touchscreen mode where touch events are interpreted by the on screen visual objects and the rest of the surface can be used as cursor/mouse view input, basically it completely reproduce a touchscreen device... Right now you can tap the screen to move the cursor to the tap location and left click OR you can move the cursor around. With that you have on screen buttons that replicate the mouse buttons.
All of that works pretty well.
This week I will try to implement a quick Edit Mode with load/save capabilites and the possibility to add controls on screen and to edit them. This will allow you to add Analog Gamepad to control the Mouse or Keyboard (WASD, QWES, Arrow Keys), mouse button and mouse scroll buttons (scroll up or down) and "simple" keyboard to replicate number and letters. Eventually I will add Shift/Control/Alt Keyboard command.
I'd like to have a small list of alpha testers, so if you're interested, let me know. Basically with Alpha, I'm not going to try to support a particular game, I'm looking for major issues that make it so that the software becomes unusable. If a software doesn't work, I'm not "yet" going to spend time trying to fix it, so it's mainly to figure out major bugs.
With Beta, I will start implementing other functions that I have may not thought in advance and that will cover multiple games.
Once it's released, then I'll look into providing support for particular games based on popularity and demands...
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if your still looking for testers let me know happy to help you debug any quirks.
Pvy.

Have you managed to retain Windows RT compatibility?

[APP]Shield2PCGamepad - Updated 10/18/2013

Shield2PCGamepad​
Shield2PCGamepad is set of server and client applications that allow you to use your Nvidia Shield as a PC gamepad. It creates a Wifi connection between the PC and Shield, giving you a wireless gamepad for your PC.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Instructions:
Download the Shield2PCGamepad Server to your PC.
Download and install the Shield2PCGamepad Client on your Nvidia Shield (Android device).
Run the Server application on your PC first.
Modify button bindings to whatever keys you wish.
Press the Start Server button.
Open the Client app on your Shield.
Enter the IP address of your Server(PC).
Press Start.
Any button you press on the controller will press the bound key on your PC.
Use the touchscreen to control the mouse:
Drag on screen - move mouse.
Tap screen - left mouse click
Long press screen - right mouse click.
Notes:
Server requires Java.
If you are using LEFT, RIGHT, UP, DOWN for DPAD buttons, be sure that you set the key bindings for the DPAD in the game you are playing. With some applications these register NUMPAD 4, NUMPAD 6, NUMPAD 8, NUMPAD 2.
The limitation of the gamepad is there is no analog input from the joysticks or triggers. They operate like a keyboard key, either they are pressed or released. This may not work well on some games.
I have tested this on my pc running Windows 8, and my Nvidia Shield. I have played some games for a few hours with no issues and good responsiveness. If you have any issues please let me know and I will try to fix them as soon as possible.
This may work with other device combinations such as Mac/Linux for the server or an Android phone/tablet with an attached gamepad. If anyone tests, please share what works or does not work.
Change Log:
v1.1
-Both server and client must be updated to v1.1
-Mouse Left & Right buttons can be mapped to any Shield button.
-Mouse movement can be mapped to right joystick.
(Note: RS Left & RS Right keybindings must be Mousemove X+ or MousmoveX-,
RS Up & RS Down must be Mousemove Y+ or Mousemove Y-)
-Creates a constant connection instead of a new connection each button press.
-Added connect & disconnect menu options in client.
-Server log shows connection status and logs client key presses.
Shield2PC IME [BETA] - ROOT REQUIRED!
OK here it is! The IME runs the client in the background, allowing you to run another app on the shield while sending button presses to the server PC.
Instructions:
ROOT your device!
Follow instructions above to download and run server.
Download and install Shield2PCGamepadIME (below).
On Shield go to Settings> Language & Input> .
Scroll to "Shield2PC IME" and check the box on the left.
Press the Settings button on the right.
Click Server Address and enter IP Address, press OK.
Click Switch Input Method and select Shield2PCIME. (Server should be started first!)
The IME is a BETA. It is designed to allow you to control the PC while streaming the game to your screen from another app(i.e. Splashtop Streamer, RDP, or VNC). My testing shows very poor streaming for these apps. Even simple games are not playable due to the screen updating so slowly. This is probably because my network is so slow If this works well for you, please let me know.

Nice! A ton of people have wanted this option and will love it. You should post over at nvidia also so those people know

Can we use this with Xpadder or Pinnacle Game Profiler.
Can we use this with Xpadder or Pinnacle Game Profiler.
JM33 said:
Shield2PCGamepad​
Shield2PCGamepad is set of server and client applications that allow you to use your Nvidia Shield as a PC gamepad. It creates a Wifi connection between the PC and Shield, giving you a wireless gamepad for your PC.
Instructions:
Download the Shield2PCGamepad Server to your PC.
Download and install the Shield2PCGamepad Client on your Nvidia Shield (Android device).
Run the Server application on your PC.
Modify button bindings to whatever keys you wish.
Press the Start Server button.
Open the Client app on your Shield.
Enter the IP address of your Server(PC).
Press Start.
Any button you press on the controller will press the bound key on your PC.
Use the touchscreen to control the mouse:
Drag on screen - move mouse.
Tap screen - left mouse click
Long press screen - right mouse click.
Notes:
If you are using LEFT, RIGHT, UP, DOWN for DPAD buttons, be sure that you set the key bindings for the DPAD in the game you are playing. With some applications these register NUMPAD 4, NUMPAD 6, NUMPAD 8, NUMPAD 2.
The limitation of the gamepad is there is no analog input from the joysticks or triggers. They operate like a keyboard key, either they are pressed or released. This may not work well on some games.
I have tested this on my pc running Windows 8, and my Nvidia Shield. I have played some games for a few hours with no issues and good responsiveness. If you have any issues please let me know and I will try to fix them as soon as possible.
This may work with other device combinations such as Mac/Linux for the server or an Android phone/tablet with an attached gamepad. If anyone tests, please share what works or does not work.
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2kool2Bcruel said:
Can we use this with Xpadder or Pinnacle Game Profiler.
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No i don't think so. Basically when both apps are running and you press a button on the shield, the server presses a key on the keyboard. So this app is really emulating a keyboard, not a gamepad. So I may be wrong but I believe those apps you mentioned need a real gamepad attached. However any game that allows you to assign keyboard keys to game actions should be able to work directly with these apps.

Don't want to cross post.
So maybe you have some time to take a look in the nvidia forum post.
Can't use your app with the default nvidia streaming or splashtop.
If the app enters background modeon the shield it looks like it doesn't detect any keypress.
More details in the nvidia forum.
Thx & Greetings

Thanks for writing the server in Java, it works on Mac too!

Any ETA for the next update, so the app can run in Background ?
Thx for your work

Kekskruemeltorte said:
Any ETA for the next update, so the app can run in Background ?
Thx for your work
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Next update will not include running in background. There is no way for a background service to receive input from key presses. This is due to android's security. I will do a little more research on it but I don't think it's going to happen. Sorry.
New update may be a little while, trying to get joysticks to work as mouse.

Thx for the update.
But Tincores Keymapper does detect input from key presses, if it's in the background. or did I miss something here?
Greetings

Kekskruemeltorte said:
Thx for the update.
But Tincores Keymapper does detect input from key presses, if it's in the background. or did I miss something here?
Greetings
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As far as I know tincore can do this because it requires root. For several reasons I don't want to require root for this app.

And provide a Edition for root user?
This is the perfect app to use non supported games for nvidia streaming :/

JM33 said:
As far as I know tincore can do this because it requires root. For several reasons I don't want to require root for this app.
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You could do it with an IME.

tincore said:
You could do it with an IME.
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OK, I hadn't thought of that yet. New update should be ready in a couple of days. Then I will look into this option or root as a last resort. Either way I am getting into uncharted territory for me. I will be learning as I go so please be patient.

JM33 said:
OK, I hadn't thought of that yet. New update should be ready in a couple of days. Then I will look into this option or root as a last resort. Either way I am getting into uncharted territory for me. I will be learning as I go so please be patient.
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I was also planning for quite a while to add a linux/windows server to my app. In fact, because I already have Android to Android network connectivity there is not much to do.

OK guys I have updated the first post with the new IME client. Please read the notes and instructions. Update to server v1.1 if you haven't already. ROOT REQUIRED This is useless to me on my slow network. The server receives fine, but the streaming apps are so slow that no game is playable. Hope your results are better!

I love this and have been playing with it a lot but I was curious if there is any potential for it to act like a 360 controller for a pc and not just emulate keyboard presses? This may be the wrong place to ask and I am sorry if it is but I would love to use the shield as a wireless 360 controller for my pc!

godvstheking said:
I love this and have been playing with it a lot but I was curious if there is any potential for it to act like a 360 controller for a pc and not just emulate keyboard presses? This may be the wrong place to ask and I am sorry if it is but I would love to use the shield as a wireless 360 controller for my pc!
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Sorry, it won't work that way. Maybe it could but at this point I am going to leave the app as-is. I believe what you are asking for seems to have been achieved already here:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/622876/general-discussion/-guide-use-shield-w-non-xinput-enabled-games-and-applications-xpadder-pinnacle-game-profiler-etc-/
My original intention of the app was to make the Shield function as a wireless controller for my pc. The app works perfectly for my own intentions, and I decided to share. So people asked for background support so I added that (though it's not perfect), but there has been virtually no response as it seems the post I linked has solved the issue for most. And hopefully nvidia will be adding this to a future update, doubtfully the next one.
Basically, I just can't put much more time into that when there is another solution available. Sorry. If more people are interested please say so and I might change my mind

Minuum Keyboard for android wear

Somebody please try this out on their moto 360. Works sooo good on my g watch I want to know if it'll work with the 360. If it does work download wear messenger in the play store its awesome!
If it works post PICS!
Here's all the info and apk you need (I seem to be one of the few that recieved this I guess)
To load Minuum onto your device, see instructions below:
Prepare your watch
1. Setup your watch for installation - go into Settings -> About -> Tap 7 times on “Build Number” to become a developer
2. Enable ADB Debugging in Settings -> Developer Options -> ADB debugging
Prepare your computer (with your watch plugged in)
1. Install Android developer tools
2. Access the APK from this link: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0a0XyLZjfUxQmdLVDhVTHB2ME0/
3. Install Minuum onto your watch by typing e.g. “adb install MinuumKeyboard.apk”
4. Type “adb shell ime enable com.whirlscape.minuum/.MinuumKeyboardService" to enable the keyboard
5. Type “adb shell ime set com.whirlscape.minuum/.MinuumKeyboardService" to set the keyboard as default
Run Minuum
1. Tap on home screen, scroll down past Settings to choose “Start…”
2. Tap “Minuum Settings”, which should appear on your list of installed Android Wear apps
3. Go to the Cheat Sheet from within Minuum Settings, and type in the text field there to test Minuum

Guitarboarder28 said:
Somebody please try this out on their moto 360. Works sooo good on my g watch I want to know if it'll work with the 360. If it does work download wear messenger in the play store its awesome!
If it works post PICS!
Here's all the info and apk you need (I seem to be one of the few that recieved this I guess)
To load Minuum onto your device, see instructions below:
Prepare your watch
1. Setup your watch for installation - go into Settings -> About -> Tap 7 times on “Build Number” to become a developer
2. Enable ADB Debugging in Settings -> Developer Options -> ADB debugging
Prepare your computer (with your watch plugged in)
1. Install Android developer tools
2. Access the APK from this link: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0a0XyLZjfUxQmdLVDhVTHB2ME0/
3. Install Minuum onto your watch by typing e.g. “adb install MinuumKeyboard.apk”
4. Type “adb shell ime enable com.whirlscape.minuum/.MinuumKeyboardService" to enable the keyboard
5. Type “adb shell ime set com.whirlscape.minuum/.MinuumKeyboardService" to set the keyboard as default
Run Minuum
1. Tap on home screen, scroll down past Settings to choose “Start…”
2. Tap “Minuum Settings”, which should appear on your list of installed Android Wear apps
3. Go to the Cheat Sheet from within Minuum Settings, and type in the text field there to test Minuum
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This may sound silly, but how do you connect the watch to the computer?
It has no port...
Bluetooth ADB?

slaydog said:
This may sound silly, but how do you connect the watch to the computer?
It has no port...
Bluetooth ADB?
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Aren't you supposed to hook it up to the charger, then hook the charger's usb up to a computer? I'm pretty sure it will be recognized like this since that's how the LG G Watch was recognized.

opasha said:
Aren't you supposed to hook it up to the charger, then hook the charger's usb up to a computer? I'm pretty sure it will be recognized like this since that's how the LG G Watch was recognized.
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Yea I believe the 360 is like the g watch for this

opasha said:
Aren't you supposed to hook it up to the charger, then hook the charger's usb up to a computer? I'm pretty sure it will be recognized like this since that's how the LG G Watch was recognized.
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The 360 has wireless induction charging, and no port or contacts. I think you do ADB over Bluetooth, but beyond that I know nothing, so I'm just gonna shut up [emoji33]
Would love to have a keyboard though, so I hope someone smarter than me can write up a tutorial if it works [emoji106]

slaydog said:
The 360 has wireless induction charging, and no port or contacts. I think you do ADB over Bluetooth, but beyond that I know nothing, so I'm just gonna shut up [emoji33]
Would love to have a keyboard though, so I hope someone smarter than me can write up a tutorial if it works [emoji106]
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Try it in the charger who knows. If not I guess it has to be over bluetooth

slaydog said:
The 360 has wireless induction charging, and no port or contacts. I think you do ADB over Bluetooth, but beyond that I know nothing, so I'm just gonna shut up [emoji33]
Would love to have a keyboard though, so I hope someone smarter than me can write up a tutorial if it works [emoji106]
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No, we're aware of that, my friend, lol. However, how does the Qi charger charge? It needs a power source....and that source plugs in via USB to wall charger or USB to computer. So...USB to computer...ADB . Same setup just different mode of charging for LG G Watch and Moto 360, but someone is holding a watch for me at BestBuy. So, after I pick it up and install everything, I will try this and post back for you guys.

Has to be done over Bluetooth, here you can find directions https://developer.android.com/training/wearables/apps/bt-debugging.html
I'll try in the morning.

Phone just died, will test in about an hour.
Edit: I'm having a problem connecting to the watch with Bluetooth debugging. I'm at the step where I enter "adb forward tcp:4444 localabstract:/adb-hub; adb connect localhost:4444" into adb but it just runs the list of adb commands as though I entered something invalid.
Edit 2: Figured it out. Unfortunately, no go. Well... I guess that depends on how tolerant you are of how tiny the letters are and how finicky it is to type with them. I messed with the different lettering options and sizes and this was the best I could get. I didn't try it with Wear Messenger as it's paid.
First thing that comes up when accessing the settings. Looked promising.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Settings screen.
I ran the adb command to set the keyboard but the android keyboard came up anyway. Ran the command again and fixed it.
Keyboard at default settings. Almost entirely cut-off.
Trying to type by guessing key positions.
After adjusting sizes and enabling the space bar, which pushes the keys up into view.
Running the tutorial rotates the screen sideways for some reason and makes it unusable.

Lol I emailed minuum and they said they are working on a special apk for the 360 since it is circular. I'll let you guys know when I see it. And I'll post the apk.
Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk

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@Casey_S
Awesome post! Thanks!

skiman10 said:
Lol I emailed minuum and they said they are working on a special apk for the 360 since it is circular. I'll let you guys know when I see it. And I'll post the apk.
Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk
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Please do! The moment you post it I'll test it.
Thx

skiman10 said:
Lol I emailed minuum and they said they are working on a special apk for the 360 since it is circular. I'll let you guys know when I see it. And I'll post the apk.
Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk
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I want it too!

Casey_S said:
Phone just died, will test in about an hour.
Edit: I'm having a problem connecting to the watch with Bluetooth debugging. I'm at the step where I enter "adb forward tcp:4444 localabstract:/adb-hub; adb connect localhost:4444" into adb but it just runs the list of adb commands as though I entered something invalid.
Edit 2: Figured it out. Unfortunately, no go. Well... I guess that depends on how tolerant you are of how tiny the letters are and how finicky it is to type with them. I messed with the different lettering options and sizes and this was the best I could get. I didn't try it with Wear Messenger as it's paid.
First thing that comes up when accessing the settings. Looked promising.
Settings screen.
I ran the adb command to set the keyboard but the android keyboard came up anyway. Ran the command again and fixed it.
Keyboard at default settings. Almost entirely cut-off.
Trying to type by guessing key positions.
After adjusting sizes and enabling the space bar, which pushes the keys up into view.
Running the tutorial rotates the screen sideways for some reason and makes it unusable.
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skiman10 said:
Lol I emailed minuum and they said they are working on a special apk for the 360 since it is circular. I'll let you guys know when I see it. And I'll post the apk.
Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk
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Any word on this?
An onscreen keyboard may make the difference between me returning the watch or keeping it...
BTW, the Google keyboard looked good, would it be functional?

no I haven't got any word yet, I'll post here as soon as I get an apk and instructions!

skiman10 said:
Lol I emailed minuum and they said they are working on a special apk for the 360 since it is circular. I'll let you guys know when I see it. And I'll post the apk.
Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk
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I also emailed them last week..
"Right now we are very focused on our iOS release but we hope to resume development on our circular version soon. I recommend and signing up for our Smart Watch Mailing List(http://minuum.us4.list-manage1.com/subscribe?u=ca045cd04e580f1a87d5b9c63&id=3f537d0efb) to keep up to date with all Minuum for smart watches related news."
Auto email from Minuum:
Moto 360
Thanks for your interest in Minuum. Our Moto 360 keyboard is currently in development. Stay tuned! You’re now on our mailing list for that watch and we’ll let you know as soon as we have something for you to try.
In the meantime, check out our social media profiles below to get the latest Minuum news and to see what we’re up to behind the scenes.
Best,
The Minuum Team

Although it is a pain, it BARELY works with Wear Messenger app. I can reply to text messages through it.

ihavenewnike said:
Although it is a pain, it BARELY works with Wear Messenger app. I can reply to text messages through it.
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How do you loaf this onto the watch?
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EcHoFiiVe said:
How do you loaf this onto the watch?
Sent from my XT1058 using XDA Free mobile app
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Load what? Wear Messenger or minuum

Upgrading Glory Star Nebula 21.5" Tablet to basic Android Rom

I just bought an Echelon spin bike and it came with a Glory Star Nebula 21.5" (glorystartouch.com/product/Kiosk-Tablet/NEB-215) The specs are on that page. It runs android 7.1.2 and uses a kiosk lock ap called STAROS
I am able to get to the main program and sideload most anything.
Tap at the bottom right corner 5 times, password is either "0000" or "1085"
I've installed Nova Launcher which helps, but most apps I have installed need a newer version. I have not been able to get play store working yet as the google services is touchy.
I'm looking for a basic android experience. The native app works on all android devices so i can just install and run it when cycling and wanting to use their app.
Any help or ideas would be good.
Also, they have disabled the power button so I have to use a small ubs keyboard when i boot into the android recovery mode.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I had to remove all links.

If you get this to work, let me know. My wife and I just bought two of these bikes!
cashen said:
I just bought an Echelon spin bike and it came with a Glory Star Nebula 21.5" (glorystartouch.com/product/Kiosk-Tablet/NEB-215) The specs are on that page. It runs android 7.1.2 and uses a kiosk lock ap called STAROS
I am able to get to the main program and sideload most anything.
Tap at the bottom right corner 5 times, password is either "0000" or "1085"
I've installed Nova Launcher which helps, but most apps I have installed need a newer version. I have not been able to get play store working yet as the google services is touchy.
I'm looking for a basic android experience. The native app works on all android devices so i can just install and run it when cycling and wanting to use their app.
Any help or ideas would be good.
Also, they have disabled the power button so I have to use a small ubs keyboard when i boot into the android recovery mode.
I had to remove all links.
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Same here! Looking to get it to a basic android experience. Found a link (not allowed to post.. ) to the knowledge base, from the Glory Star Touch site... Support > Developer Community.
Takes you to a Zoho site with a knowledge base and some FAQ stuff.
There's some basic info in there, including how to upgrade the firmware to Android 7.1... Good place to start.
I'm going to try and mess with it later tonight after I get home.
I'm wondering if ADB debugging mode is enabled?

So I've done some poking around here
As my hastily thrown together username implies, I'm new to android development so take that into consideration but my findings so far:
- There's no GFS ID associated to the device (at least after a factory reset) which will restrict you from the google play store
- ADB is not enabled but is accessible through the hidden developer settings
- If you brick your device trying to upgrade you'll likely need to contact glory star to flash it (with their own firmware) at a charge
- Overall community for this product is very quiet, haven't seen many discussions on the internet mentioning it at all
I'm going to keep looking into this but please keep the thread posted if you make progress!
dtrain83 said:
Same here! Looking to get it to a basic android experience. Found a link (not allowed to post.. ) to the knowledge base, from the Glory Star Touch site... Support > Developer Community.
Takes you to a Zoho site with a knowledge base and some FAQ stuff.
There's some basic info in there, including how to upgrade the firmware to Android 7.1... Good place to start.
I'm going to try and mess with it later tonight after I get home.
I'm wondering if ADB debugging mode is enabled?
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Dev menu gone?
Same here, and i while I had messed around in the STAROS earlier in the month, the touching repeatedly on the settings screen appears to be gone. Does anyone know where they moved it or are we SOL?

Got Netflix installed on Echelon-5xs
I got Netflix installed on the nebula tablet with echelon 5xs bike.
Process is really simple:
1. Tap lower right corner of the screen five times and then put 1085 as the password;
2. Unlock the startos, with either 0000 or 1085 as the password and admin as the username;
3. Plugin a keyboard to the USB port, use win+b to open browser;
4. Open google and search for Netflix apk, and download the Netflix apk and install it;
5. Back to Staros app, and change the Staros mode to multiple apps mode, and change its settings by adding Netflix to the list in addition to EchelonFit;
6. Click “Launch Now” in Staros app, and now you get to a screen where you can select which app you want to run.
Another tip, press win+n to access drop down menu and system settings etc.

Ptinga,
That is awesome, thanks for figuring this out! Do you think it is also impossible to install YouTube? Also, when you turn the bike on does it have the apps pop up first thing and u just select which one you want?
Thanks in advance for your time!
ptinga said:
I got Netflix installed on the nebula tablet with echelon 5xs bike.
Process is really simple:
1. Tap lower right corner of the screen five times and then put 1085 as the password;
2. Unlock the startos, with either 0000 or 1085 as the password and admin as the username;
3. Plugin a keyboard to the USB port, use win+b to open browser;
4. Open google and search for Netflix apk, and download the Netflix apk and install it;
5. Back to Staros app, and change the Staros mode to multiple apps mode, and change its settings by adding Netflix to the list in addition to EchelonFit;
6. Click “Launch Now” in Staros app, and now you get to a screen where you can select which app you want to run.
Another tip, press win+n to access drop down menu and system settings etc.
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It is possible to have YouTube installed. I’ll give it a try later today. Right now I have Netflix and Amazon Prime video installed.
The tablet will boot into a screen showing icons of the app for you to choose. Holding the power button (red button besides volume control) until pop-up window asking whether you want to power off will lead you back to the screen with app icons, touch outside of the pop-up window to cancel power off will let you stay on that screen and give you a chance to select a different app.

Thanks again for checking to see if it would work out! That is so badass that you figured out how to do it!!! I should be getting my bike in the next couple of weeks and I will give it a try!
Have a good one
ptinga said:
I got Netflix installed on the nebula tablet with echelon 5xs bike.
Process is really simple:
1. Tap lower right corner of the screen five times and then put 1085 as the password;
2. Unlock the startos, with either 0000 or 1085 as the password and admin as the username;
3. Plugin a keyboard to the USB port, use win+b to open browser;
4. Open google and search for Netflix apk, and download the Netflix apk and install it;
5. Back to Staros app, and change the Staros mode to multiple apps mode, and change its settings by adding Netflix to the list in addition to EchelonFit;
6. Click “Launch Now” in Staros app, and now you get to a screen where you can select which app you want to run.
Another tip, press win+n to access drop down menu and system settings etc.
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You are welcome! And congrats for joining the community.
Just tried to install YouTube, no avail. YouTube requires google play store service and that requires the device to have a GSF ID. As one of the previous message in this thread, this tablet does not have that ID. I installed the “Device ID” app to confirm this. Further tweaking might be risky (possibly voiding the warranty).
Anyhow, if it’s just YouTube you want, you can just open browser and watch it there.
I also got inspired from a previous post in this thread to install the nova launcher, and choose that as my Home app, instead of starOS. So now I get more complete Android experience. There are third party apps which can takes care of updating apps, like Yalp.
(I’m an Android newbie, this is the first Android device I used primarily for something. I have several cheap Android phones with pay-as-you-go SIM cards left in cars as emergency backups.)
BTW, having access to the Android system settings had helped me setting up two Bluetooth speakers with this tablet. One is Amazon Echo Dot, the other is Bose mini 2. Both of them was not recognized inside the EchelonFit app, but once I got the paired via the Android OS settings, they were connected fine and recognized by EchelonFit. Echelon’s official FAQ suggests users to by a separate Bluetooth receiver if they couldn’t pair their speaker in this case. That’s just ridiculous. My impression so far with the company is they need to pay more attention to details, such as the user manual, app experience, website user portal etc. All needs improvement. The EX-5s does seem to be a quick product targeting peloton. Hope they will improve the software side of things over the years. So far I’m pleased with the hardware though.
yandawg said:
Thanks again for checking to see if it would work out! That is so badass that you figured out how to do it!!! I should be getting my bike in the next couple of weeks and I will give it a try!
Have a good one
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has anyone tried installing the peloton app on their echelon? would love to be able to toggle back and forth between the two

I am doubtful that would work due to the way that the echelon bike transmits it’s serial number to the app. This has to be done before it will show rpms or resistance. I highly doubt that the echelon would communicate the correct parameters for peloton to accept it as a bike, if that makes since.
cynvp said:
has anyone tried installing the peloton app on their echelon? would love to be able to toggle back and forth between the two
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Hi Everyone.. I just recieved my bike last week. The Nebula tablet was not able to connect to the bike. After logging into the admin screen I see that bluetooth is disabled and I can't seem to enable it. Support has not answered me. Today i turned on the bike and now the wifi is disabled and it to will not enable now. Do any of you smart guys know how to get them back enabled?

Ptinga, I just got my bike today and tried to get into the menu by tapping 5 times in the bottom right to no avail. I restarted it and tapped at the bottom right in the bottom right white portion of the screen. I know this isn’t rocket science... I am trying to figure out where I am screwing up. Thanks in advance for all of your help!
ptinga said:
You are welcome! And congrats for joining the community.
Just tried to install YouTube, no avail. YouTube requires google play store service and that requires the device to have a GSF ID. As one of the previous message in this thread, this tablet does not have that ID. I installed the “Device ID” app to confirm this. Further tweaking might be risky (possibly voiding the warranty).
Anyhow, if it’s just YouTube you want, you can just open browser and watch it there.
I also got inspired from a previous post in this thread to install the nova launcher, and choose that as my Home app, instead of starOS. So now I get more complete Android experience. There are third party apps which can takes care of updating apps, like Yalp.
(I’m an Android newbie, this is the first Android device I used primarily for something. I have several cheap Android phones with pay-as-you-go SIM cards left in cars as emergency backups.)
BTW, having access to the Android system settings had helped me setting up two Bluetooth speakers with this tablet. One is Amazon Echo Dot, the other is Bose mini 2. Both of them was not recognized inside the EchelonFit app, but once I got the paired via the Android OS settings, they were connected fine and recognized by EchelonFit. Echelon’s official FAQ suggests users to by a separate Bluetooth receiver if they couldn’t pair their speaker in this case. That’s just ridiculous. My impression so far with the company is they need to pay more attention to details, such as the user manual, app experience, website user portal etc. All needs improvement. The EX-5s does seem to be a quick product targeting peloton. Hope they will improve the software side of things over the years. So far I’m pleased with the hardware though.
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I got everything figured out regarding using YouTube on the bike via a browser. I have tried watching 4K videos on different browsers but it constantly buffers. I am getting over 50 mbps on the bike so the connection is not the issue. Does anyone have any idea why it constantly buffers? Is it because there is limited memory in the tablet? The videos pause every 3-4 seconds to load.

Always liked this tab....?

Does Echelon broadcast power/cadence via any standard protocol (ANT+ or Bluetooth Smart), or does it go directly to its own App via the wire? Any info about such SDK in the latter case? Would like to make Apps for it.

Picked-up an EX5S and was able to get Netflix, D+ to work. HBO, YT required Google play services to be installed.
Using Lawnchair as home app. Might switch back to Nova if I can purchase direct access outside of Google Play and if it can resolve my issue below.
When I launch the Echelon Fit app , I don't have any other option to go back to my Home screen unless I go through the unlock process again. The home, back arrow icons aren't visible. When I launch Netflix, the back arrow works and allows me to exit the app, but the home icon does nothing.
Maybe I'm missing something?

So far I have the following working:
Disney +
CBS
Netflix
Hulu
Peloton
HBO Max requires the Play
VUDU detects that the table is rooted and will not run. Looking for workarounds on this.
I'm exploring the possibility of flashing this tablet with GAPPS so I can generate a GFS ID to access the PLAY store going forward.
Ordered a cellphone holder than I plan to mount under the monitor. This will allow me to use the Echelon app in Free Ride mode (to connect to the bike/track my cadence) while I'm logged into Peloton on the main screen and try to follow along with the class.

mobilEKG said:
Does Echelon broadcast power/cadence via any standard protocol (ANT+ or Bluetooth Smart), or does it go directly to its own App via the wire? Any info about such SDK in the latter case? Would like to make Apps for it.
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It's sent from the Bike via Bluetooth. The wire that runs through the bike simply provides power to the Tablet.
Would be great if there was an app that connected to the bike that you could then overlay over the Peloton app.