Odd battery issues... - Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III

Ok so I have a Hyperion 2200mah battery, when I charge it up inside my phone, my led does not turn green and finish charging. This is opposed to my stock which works perfectly. Also, when I remove the cord when using the Hyperion, the battery is at like ~85% and it slowly works its way up to ~90% in 10 minutes or so and then starts discharging normally from there. HOWEVER, when I charge the Hyperion I'm my stand alone battery charger, it charges to like 98%. Is my Hyperion faulty or do they all act like this? I've had no similar problems with stock.
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Here's an example of how it appears on the battery info
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It appears that it does fully charge but it doesn't switch to ac power properly or something... and starts dropping idk
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I have the same battery and I have seen the same behavior. I bought a two pack of the batteries with a standalone wall charger from Hyperion on Amazon.
I have found that if I charge the battery in the phone overnight it will nearly reach a full charge and then drop off to around 80%. It will then stay at that level as long as the charger is attached (see attached screenshot).
If I charge in the standalone wall charger that came with the batteries it will reach full charge (as indicated by the charger and the phone when I install the battery) but it will drop to 97% very quickly (within minutes).
It is as if the batteries are not truly compatible with the phone. It may have something to do with the difference in voltage (3.8v for Samsung vs 3.7v for Hyperion). I wonder if this difference is confusing the battery charger in the phone.
That is not the only problem that I have with the batteries. They are also thicker than the stock battery (5.85mm Hyperion vs 5.15mm Samsung). This causes the back cover to bulge a bit and makes my case difficult to place on the phone.
I am not too happy with these batteries and I am probably going to try to return them.
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Seidio external charger

I bought this: http://goo.gl/70Els
I'm wondering if it will solve the bump charge issue and will charge the battery fully without having to go through hoops to just charge a battery!!!
I'm tired of being at 90% after ten minutes after a full night charge!
Thanks
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mmtoman said:
I bought this: http://goo.gl/70Els
I'm wondering if it will solve the bump charge issue and will charge the battery fully without having to go through hoops to just charge a battery!!!
I'm tired of being at 90% after ten minutes after a full night charge!
Thanks
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Very doubtful. Your best best is the kernel being developed in the dev section with increased charging.
My question has nothing to do with the phone itself because the battery is not in the phone when its charging, it's sitting in the cradle. Nothing to do with the phone itself. Do you think the cradle will charge the battery fully and completely.
Thanks
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Yea it bumps it I have one as well. But its bad for the battery.
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I've got the charger mentioned as well. I just see it charge the battery "normally" to 100%, and if needed over the next ~xx(x) hours or so, another trickle at low mA will be applied. That isn't the same as this "bump charge" that is always referred to here.
If you turn the phone off and charge, it'll charge just like the charger (Seido) to 100%.
There's lot of good info about LI batteries like this writeup: http://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Anyway: I thought the main gripe about the DINC charging technique is not anything about the technique, but that it always runs the phone off the battery, rather than using the USB current when it's plugged in. Most phones use the USB (or whatever tech) to a) charge the battery and b) run the phone. Of course if this is HTC's method, then you'll very rarely unplug at 100%.
The rate of battery consumption, regardless of % starting point is more of an issue for me. Using all the SENSE/HTC/VERIZON stuff is a losing proposition more than not having 1-9% of the full capacity at 'go' time. As soon as I rooted, I dumped every app and service starting with HTC*, VER*, *sense* and battery life improved by a great deal. Yeah, I don't care about social networking (well, aside from a forum or two ) -- But I enjoy most of the other phone functionality.
The charger's fine, it's the battery that troubles me
I have the charger, too. Works fine. Does not require "bump."
But the battery (the 1750) that came with it has failed to impress me much, with a tendency to overheat. Frankly, since I rooted and started using SetCPU to underclock with screen off, I've been using the stock battery.

Fast chargers

Hey people,
Before I went out and bought a car charger and second wall charger, I was wondering if you guys knew what the fastest ones were. I was using my friends car charger the other day and it literally did almost nothing for 20 minutes. The battery went up 1% every 15-20 minutes or so.
It's probably an issue with the cars 12v port, not the charger itself. No matter what your phone should charge around 3.7v. If you plug in a charger that has a higher output to try and speed charge it the phone and the battery have built in protection to keep it from charging above the recommended 3.7v. So just buy a reliable cellphone charger and don't fall for speedcharging gimmicks
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Thank you for the reply, appreciate it.
Np
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I remember back when the iPad first came out there was a rumor that using an iPad charger to charge an iPhone would charge it faster, but the device only pulls what it needs (if it's designed well). I believe charging a device at a lower voltage may make it charge slower, but you can never speed it up unless the battery specifically possesses control circutry to do so. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_charger#Fast.

Charging batteries?

Does charging my phone directly with the usb port charge the battery better than when a battery is charged on a wall charger? I've been having bad battery problems with all. 5 of my batteries (including a 3500 mah one) and I'm starting to think that when I charge my phone whatever battery is in it last longer than if it was charged on the wall charger. Can anyone confirm that this may be true?
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lilajrestnom said:
Does charging my phone directly with the usb port charge the battery better than when a battery is charged on a wall charger? I've been having bad battery problems with all. 5 of my batteries (including a 3500 mah one) and I'm starting to think that when I charge my phone whatever battery is in it last longer than if it was charged on the wall charger. Can anyone confirm that this may be true?
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I recall reading somewhere that charging through USB has a chance of overcharging the battery because the wall charger has an auto cutoff when the battery reaches 100% and the USB does not. This may have something to do with possible better battery life when charging through USB. Have you tried draining the phone all the way down to 1% or until it shuts off then charging it to 100% a couple times?
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I recall reading somewhere that charging through USB has a chance of overcharging the battery because the wall charger has an auto cutoff when the battery reaches 100% and the USB does not. This may have something to do with possible better battery life when charging through USB. Have you tried draining the phone all the way down to 1% or until it shuts off then charging it to 100% a couple times?
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I pretty much do that because I keep the battery in until my phone dies then just switch batteries. Whatever battery ends up in my phone by the end of the day gets charged by usb in my phone and any other batteries that died during the day get charged on the wall charger. But what your saying may be true because on the wall charger usually I find the batteries only 96~98% never actually 100%. Ill test it out and see what happens. Anyone know of a wall charger that works really well?
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It would be nice if I could find the articles I read on the matter for some weight, rather than just my comment. But anyways....
The battery is never at 100%; that is for safety reasons. Whether USB or wall charged, it won't hit 100.
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Charging Overnight

Am I the only person who is some what leary of charging my phone overnight. What I mean is, will it harm the phone any by sitting there fully charged for a few hours or more?
And that raises another question or concern. Does it hurt the device by plugging in and charging a little bit throughout the day or should I let the battery drain as much as possible then plug in?
Thanks for any replies
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Only with my laptop and dewalt 18volt lol. Because it is a nicad battery.
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tld88 said:
Am I the only person who is some what leary of charging my phone overnight. What I mean is, will it harm the phone any by sitting there fully charged for a few hours or more?
And that raises another question or concern. Does it hurt the device by plugging in and charging a little bit throughout the day or should I let the battery drain as much as possible then plug in?
Thanks for any replies
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I don't think it will hurt the battery to leave on charge for an hr or two at 100%. It is recommended to not charge till you are 10% or under from what I read
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These phones are lithium batteries. Once it hits 100% or too hot to charge the circuit shuts down. Even my stupid cordless drill does this.
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Thanks guys. Much appreciated.
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I actually use a lower amp charger for charging over night and I notice my battery lasts much longer than compared to the 2 amp charger it came with.
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mcskibadee1 said:
I actually use a lower amp charger for charging over night and I notice my battery lasts much longer than compared to the 2 amp charger it came with.
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I do the same
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mcskibadee1 said:
I actually use a lower amp charger for charging over night and I notice my battery lasts much longer than compared to the 2 amp charger it came with.
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I am going to give this a try itbis a good idea thanks never thought of using a low amp
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tld88 said:
Am I the only person who is some what leary of charging my phone overnight. What I mean is, will it harm the phone any by sitting there fully charged for a few hours or more?
And that raises another question or concern. Does it hurt the device by plugging in and charging a little bit throughout the day or should I let the battery drain as much as possible then plug in?
Thanks for any replies
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Lithium Ion batteries are in an ideal state of equilibrium when at 50% charge. If you want to maximize the overall shelf life of the battery, do your best to keep it around 50% charge and avoid the extremes like 0% and 100%. Practically speaking this is tough to do. I am frequently near a charger, so I can unplug around 60% and plug it back in around 40%. The high amperage chargers that come with the phone can add 20% in about 30-40 minutes.
So the answer to your question is, the less time your battery spends at 100% the better to maintain the quality of the battery.
LOL, I keep phone on the charger all the time. Then again, I usually have the screen on most of time.
The only danger I can think of is if someone comes out with a kernal that does SBC which can give batteries more charge, but can also damage the battery if overcharged. I haven't kept up on all the kernals, but I don't believe anyone has made any with SBC.
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Lithium Ion batteries are in an ideal state of equilibrium when at 50% charge. If you want to maximize the overall shelf life of the battery, do your best to keep it around 50% charge and avoid the extremes like 0% and 100%. Practically speaking this is tough to do. I am frequently near a charger, so I can unplug around 60% and plug it back in around 40%. The high amperage chargers that come with the phone can add 20% in about 30-40 minutes.
So the answer to your question is, the less time your battery spends at 100% the better to maintain the quality of the battery.
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50% is for storage. When in use it is optimal to charge to 100% and recharge between 10-20%, ideally at the 15% warning, which is why it's there. Charging to 100% overnight wouldn't have a huge impact on battery life for a li-ion unless you left it plugged in for several days straight. All newer good quality cellphone and mobile device li-ions have a voltage regulator and charging circuit built in. When the battery reaches 90% the voltage regulator drops the input voltage so its receiving less power til 100% once it reaches 100% the charging circuit opens and stops charging the battery, once the battery begins to discharge again while plugged in the voltage regulator switches to "trickle" charge mode which puts back a small amount of power every minute or so. When "trickle" charging the input power is so low the battery can actually drain while still charging if its being used. These are safety measures to prevent damage to the phone and battery and lessen the risk of the battery exploding, but it also helps prolong the life of the battery by preventing it from constantly overcharging if you forget to unplug it or charge over night. Hope that helps explain a bit about how charging works. Its also better to charge the battery at lower amperage outside of the device. Optimal charging for a li-ion is around 750ma on an external charger or while the device is off.
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50% is for storage. When in use it is optimal to charge to 100% and recharge between 10-20%, ideally at the 15% warning, which is why it's there. Charging to 100% overnight wouldn't have a huge impact on battery life for a li-ion unless you left it plugged in for several days straight. All newer good quality cellphone and mobile device li-ions have a voltage regulator and charging circuit built in. When the battery reaches 90% the voltage regulator drops the input voltage so its receiving less power til 100% once it reaches 100% the charging circuit opens and stops charging the battery, once the battery begins to discharge again while plugged in the voltage regulator switches to "trickle" charge mode which puts back a small amount of power every minute or so. When "trickle" charging the input power is so low the battery can actually drain while still charging if its being used. These are safety measures to prevent damage to the phone and battery and lessen the risk of the battery exploding, but it also helps prolong the life of the battery by preventing it from constantly overcharging if you forget to unplug it or charge over night. Hope that helps explain a bit about how charging works. Its also better to charge the battery at lower amperage outside of the device. Optimal charging for a li-ion is around 750ma on an external charger or while the device is off.
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This. These batteries should be above 70 precent or so as much as possible to remain efficient. Also never let it die that decreases life span.
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Wall charger for g pro!!

Well i found this link in AC forums, if anyone is interested. Ive been looking for this kind of charger coz I never like using a charger cord for a phone, i just want to swap a battery and charge the other one.
So what do you think about this?
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=151070842630
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I ordered one. I'll let you guys know how long it takes to charge the oem battery and zero lemon once it arrives "around the 20th" from chinaland.
I was also looking at this charger. It claims it can charge the OGP battery however, the DC output is 4.2 V instead of 4.35. According to Anker and also my own experience with 4.2 V output charger, it cannot charge the OGP battery to 100% (~90%). So maybe the other pricier charger below is a better choice.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-ORI...es_Covers_Keyboard_Folios&hash=item1e7aacb9fd
Got the charger and it managed to charge my extended zero lemon battery up to 100% in around 12 hours from 2%. Barely fits and stays in as its just a friction/pressure fit and the extended cells on the back cover the charging led but if you smash your head against the wall you with it plugged in you can check on it.
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