May I know if One X is able to be S-OFF, is it mean that even the bootloader status is locked and we still can root and flash custom rom? How it different with unlock bootloader using HTCDev? sry for noob question..
No you need to be unlocked to root and flash custom roms. As of now HTCDev is the only method to allow unlocking.
Simple method. We don't know when Revolutionary will release their tool.
S-ON + LOCKED = You can only use official HTC firmware and only for the specific branded version you have.
S-ON + UNLOCKED = You unlocked it via htcdev. You're able to change the system and recovery images to allow for custom firmware. You can't alter anything regarding the baseband aka cell radio. HTC know you unlock via htcdev as they make you enter your serial number and other details to generate a phone specific unlock token. This will affect your warranty as any software caused faults are your own problem. General hardware warranty is still the same.
S-ON + RELOCKED = You relocked it after unlocking via htcdev. Same as S-ON + LOCKED except it shows you relocked.
S-OFF = No restrictions at all by the bootloader. You can alter everything. HTC don't let you do this and you need somebody else to work out a flaw in the bootloader to do it. Technically this voids your warranty as well but if you relock and don't leave any evidence that you did so then HTC won't know.
ken-ywk said:
May I know if One X is able to be S-OFF, is it mean that even the bootloader status is locked and we still can root and flash custom rom? How it different with unlock bootloader using HTCDev? sry for noob question..
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No one knows about S-off.
It doesn't mean we can root and flash custom roms even on the locked bootloader. It was a different and unofficial way of unlocking the bootloader which can be locked again when we need.
We can do the same thing even in this HTC dev method, I mean locking the bootloader, but after that the status of the bootloader will be RELOCKED not locked. That means HTC people may know that our device is already unlocked before.
One more thing (which I heard and I am not sure), we can't flash ported roms on our device unless and until we have S-off.
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Guys,
I'm trying to get my JB flasher tool to work with S-Off devices. (Mine is S-On so I can't test)
Can anyone with a S-off phone that's upgraded the FW let me know the procedure. There seems to be confusion about which commands work with a locked bootloader and S-off so don't speculate, only respond if you know it works.
Specific question:
If you have a CID of 11111111 does it need changing to a compatible CID from the androidinfo.txt? If so, how? Does the bootloader need to be unlocked?
Can the bootloader be unlocked without htcdev code? If yes, how?
Can all fastboot commands be run with S-off but a locked bootloader?
Thanks
DO NOT UNLOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER!!!!
You will have to add the Super CID to the android-info.txt before flashing but other than that it's the same process as S-ON users
EddyOS said:
DO NOT UNLOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER!!!!
You will have to add the Super CID to the android-info.txt before flashing but other than that it's the same process as S-ON users
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As easy as that. Thanks:good:
PS So S-off will ignore the broken signature?
Also, if someone has already unlocked their bootloader (due to not realising the power of S-Off ), I assume it'll need to be relocked before installing the firmware.zip?
PS Can boot.img be flashed via fastboot if its locked on a S-off phone?
Also, can I replace the recovery.img with CWM in the zip, or even just remove it. Same goes for the boot.img
If you're S-OFF you basically have the same rights as someone with an unlocked bootloader plus more so you can flash CWM/boot etc. through fastboot without unlocking the bootloader. As you said, S-OFF ignores the signature. So long as it's a proper update.zip it should flash without issues (I should qualify this by saying I'm basing this on my HTC Sensation and what I could/couldn't do with S-OFF. If I had an S-OFF One X I could give you a 100% answer)
S-off HOX 044? how to do this? pls,help me
hoangps said:
S-off HOX 044? how to do this? pls,help me
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you can't s-off for now...
Hello, just a quick question. I had my One rooted, s-off, and unlocked when my microphone went. So I relocked, s-on, and flashed an RUU via http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2475216. Just making sure that before I pack it in the box, there is nothing else that could trip the people at Verizon that I had messed with my phone. I took the OTAs up to 4.3. I'm just paranoid about info not matching up such as the baseband version and build number etc. Thanks
Does the bootloader say locked or relocked? Locked is good relocked not so much. Other than that you should be fine. Ruu's wipe everything and install it all fresh, including the firmware (baseband, hboot, recovery, etc), so everything will match up.
In the bootloader I have "Locked" also s-on. I noticed though with the refurbished phone I received (not happy about having to get refurbished but thats besides the point) the CID number shows in the bootloader screen whereas on my original phone it is not displayed. Not sure if I even need to be this worried, but I'm just paranoid. Thanks
Are both phones on the same hboot version? I dont remember if it showed in older hboots or not. Either way i wouldn't worry, locked and s-on is all you need.
No they weren't. I'm just going to stop worrying too much about it. Thanks
If i send my phone back to verizon do i have to be on the original ROM? i understand that i need to lock my bootloader and have s-on, but what about the software itself?
It can be on stock rom/firmware of any version. Just no custom roms or anything.
Just to confirm, if I have a phone that is S-OFF, unlocked:
1. Do I need to lock the bootloader before flashing an RUU?
2. Does flashing an RUU revert the phone to S-ON?
3. Does anything special otherwise need to be done to the phone prior to flashing the RUU?
Thanks so much in advance.
I also have to return a phone to VZW due to a hardware issue (the autofocus issue finally too much for me to bear).
You only need to relock the bootloader if using a signed ruu. A decrypted ruu does not need it locked.
Flashing an ruu will not remove s-off or relock the bootloader. You can do it before or after, but i sugest after, that way if something goes wrong durring the ruu, you still have options.
Once you do the ruu you will be stock. So the only thing you would have to do is relock and go s-on.
Fantastically clear, Clumsco, thanks! Three quick additional questions
1. is there any advantage to flashing the signed RUU, and adding danger by locking the bootloader beforehand? In your links below your signature is a path to both decrypted and signed versions of the latest RUUs. So I thought to ask before going with one or the other. If there is no advantage then I guess the decrypted version would be the safer bet, right?
2. Is there a danger that locking after the RUU will result in a "relocked" versus the desired "Locked" status?
3. Will the RUU flash wipe my /sdcard area? If so I'll back everything up before embarking on this.
I VERY much appreciate the help. I ran rumrunner several months back and have forgotten a lot of the nuances. Thanks for the quick primer!
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You only need to relock the bootloader if using a signed ruu. A decrypted ruu does not need it locked.
Flashing an ruu will not remove s-off or relock the bootloader. You can do it before or after, but i sugest after, that way if something goes wrong durring the ruu, you still have options.
Once you do the ruu you will be stock. So the only thing you would have to do is relock and go s-on.
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There is no difference between a signed and decrypted ruu other than what their names suggest. Ones signed ones not, both do the exact same thing to the phone.
You can lock the bootloader first. As long as you still have s-off, you have a saftey net. As long as your s-off you can change it to say what ever you want it to say. Locked, relocked, or unlocked.
Yes the ruu will wipe everything.
You will want to back up your sd.
Do the ruu.
Take the ota to kitkat.
Lock the bootloader.
Go s-on.
Thanks, everything worked. For future knowledge, can you flash signed RUU's with an S-ON device?
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There is no difference between a signed and decrypted ruu other than what their names suggest. Ones signed ones not, both do the exact same thing to the phone.
You can lock the bootloader first. As long as you still have s-off, you have a saftey net. As long as your s-off you can change it to say what ever you want it to say. Locked, relocked, or unlocked.
Yes the ruu will wipe everything.
You will want to back up your sd.
Do the ruu.
Take the ota to kitkat.
Lock the bootloader.
Go s-on.
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Yes and no. You can flash a signed ruu if s-on, but not one that is an older version than currently on the phone. It has to be the same or a newer version. This is an issue if your on kitkat, as we do not currently have a kk ruu available.
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Yes and no. You can flash a signed ruu if s-on, but not one that is an older version than currently on the phone. It has to be the same or a newer version. This is an issue if your on kitkat, as we do not currently have a kk ruu available.
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I'm trying to learn here too, that is dependent on the hboot correct? So if you were to downgrade your hboot via the thread somewhere in the VZW HTC One forum, you should be able to flash any RUU right?
Technically yes, although as far as i know there is no way to do so while s-on and locked. In order to downgrade hboot you would need to have the bootloader unlocked. Since verizon does not let us use htcdev to unlock, it would be virtually imposible.
Your responses are clear and helpful. Thanks a bunch!
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Technically yes, although as far as i know there is no way to do so while s-on and locked. In order to downgrade hboot you would need to have the bootloader unlocked. Since verizon does not let us use htcdev to unlock, it would be virtually imposible.
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cmlusco said:
There is no difference between a signed and decrypted ruu other than what their names suggest. Ones signed ones not, both do the exact same thing to the phone.
You can lock the bootloader first. As long as you still have s-off, you have a saftey net. As long as your s-off you can change it to say what ever you want it to say. Locked, relocked, or unlocked.
Yes the ruu will wipe everything.
You will want to back up your sd.
Do the ruu.
Take the ota to kitkat.
Lock the bootloader.
Go s-on.
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My phone is current S-Off and relocked, how can I change it to unlocked?
Thank you.
UPDATE: Nevermind, I got it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470340
What does sunshine do that HTCDev doesn't do? I'm really very confused.
Sunshine S-off's your phone, as well as unlocking the bootloader. HTCdev unlocks your bootloader but leaves security/signing on (S-on) Also, the method Sunshine uses to unlock your bootloader doesn't trip a factory reset.
You don't typically need to turn security/signing off unless you want to change your CID/MID (to convert your handset to a different region) or go back to an older version of firmware/software.
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What does sunshine do that HTCDev doesn't do? I'm really very confused.
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HTC dev only unlocks the boot loader, sunshine or firewater provides full s off which lifts restrictions to partitions that are normally locked down.
Check the below thread for explanations.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2744194
Thank link is invalid.
Also, I have got s-off previously without using this?
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Also, I have got s-off previously without using this?
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So in bootloader (or alternately, adb getvar all) it indicates s-off?
If so, and you didn't do firewater or sunshine, then its factory s-off. Its rare, but I've seen it here from time to time.
Hey everyone!
I have a question for y'all!
What can i do with s-off (but locked bootloader) besides changing the cid or mid?
Sent from my HTC 10!
Luhccas-X10 said:
Hey everyone!
I have a question for y'all!
What can i do with s-off (but locked bootloader) besides changing the cid or mid?
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-You have more access to firmware partitions, you can flash different firmwares, downgrade firmwares, change modems, etc.
-You can flash different region software, by changing your mid and cid as you said.
- If you do ever unlock your bootloader, you can use Sunshine to set it back to Locked and not just relocked.
- having your bootloader locked with s-off allows you to use apps like android pay without needing to flash custom kernels (it's been reported unlocking your bootloader trips safetynet and breaks android pay).
That's what I use s-off for.
Thank you very much @Tarima!
Another question that came into my mind now!
Without unlocking the bootloader but S-OFF'ed, root is possible? (i don't use android pay)
Sent from my HTC 10!
Luhccas-X10 said:
Thank you very much @Tarima!
Another question that came into my mind now!
Without unlocking the bootloader but S-OFF'ed, root is possible? (i don't use android pay)
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Yes you can root with s-off/locked. In fact, it's recommended to do s-off/locked rather than s-off/unlocked. One you're s-off you can flash TWRP, root, etc.