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Many of us, Windows Phone users, have come to enjoy taking pictures and swiping to see the images (like a filmstrip) then swiping back to take another picture. It's a brilliant features and one I've come to be almost depended on.
Apple has apparently blandly ripoff the feature to iOS 5.
The most interesting part is that Microsoft has a patent for this feature: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...9619.PGNR.&OS=DN/20110119619RS=DN/20110119619
"2011: Year of the copycats?"
More information: http://wmpoweruser.com/now-apple-steals-windows-phone-7-camera-viewfinder-also/
day2die said:
Many of us, Windows Phone users, have come to enjoy taking pictures and swiping to see the images (like a filmstrip) then swiping back to take another picture. It's a brilliant features and one I've come to be almost depended on.
Apple has apparently blandly ripoff the feature to iOS 5.
The most interesting part is that Microsoft has a patent for this feature: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...9619.PGNR.&OS=DN/20110119619RS=DN/20110119619
"2011: Year of the copycats?"
More information: http://wmpoweruser.com/now-apple-steals-windows-phone-7-camera-viewfinder-also/
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APPLE is running low on innovation, so copy and paste is the second best for them...
lets see what microsoft will do??
maybe apple just pay MS for it ?
Yeah, soon Microsoft will be making money from every iPhone that is sold just like the $5 they get from every android device sold, lol.
Microsoft dont even need to sell there own OS and they make money, its kind of unbelievable when you think about it, they win whichever OS is chosen by users.
doesntexist said:
Yeah, soon Microsoft will be making money from every iPhone that is sold just like the $5 they get from every android device sold, lol.
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Not gonna happen.
Microsoft doesn't sue Apple over patents, Apple doesn't sue Microsoft. They have so many patents that it would quickly turn into a nuclear war. Patents in this case are very similar to nukes because they assure mutual destruction.
vangrieg said:
Not gonna happen.
Microsoft doesn't sue Apple over patents, Apple doesn't sue Microsoft. They have so many patents that it would quickly turn into a nuclear war. Patents in this case are very similar to nukes because they assure mutual destruction.
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Agreed
And I expect we will see a notification menu like apple after they copied how notifications show on the display.
patents are lame, dead
software patents are lame and dead. the idea that someone owes you money for doing something in a similar manner is absurd. first to implement and grab the market wins.
Since the Windows Phone is somewhat unpopular among most people, I believe most of them do not know the Apple has actually steal this feature from there.
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Since the Windows Phone is somewhat unpopular among most people, I believe most of them do not know the Apple has actually steal this feature from there.
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I have to agree totally!!
It's even worse. Almost everybody believes that Apple invented touchscreens!!!
doministry said:
I have to agree totally!!
It's even worse. Almost everybody believes that Apple invented touchscreens!!!
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well you have to give them credit for putting a phone in the equation...up until the iphone everybody thought Apple was those computers that only rich people could own (from my perspective). You can't blame a company for innovative business strategy.
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Not gonna happen.
Microsoft doesn't sue Apple over patents, Apple doesn't sue Microsoft. They have so many patents that it would quickly turn into a nuclear war. Patents in this case are very similar to nukes because they assure mutual destruction.
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you haveto wait and see what will happen to this....
any way MS invested 150 million in apple in 1997 which was $4.5 billion in 2010, so maybe MS will close one eye on this...
HTC paid US$5/- for every android phone they built and sold, which was 30 million= US$150 million, and its spaculated that other ANDROID OEM's had paid MS US$7.50 to US$12.80 for each device they built or sold...
so maybe APPLE and MS do not fight but MS is collecting tons of money from patents they hold..
doministry said:
I have to agree totally!!
It's even worse. Almost everybody believes that Apple invented touchscreens!!!
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DUMB ppl will believe anything.... so do you think APPLE invented TOUCSCREENs????
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DUMB ppl will believe anything.... so do you think APPLE invented TOUCSCREENs????
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Agreed - I had a Windows CE phone YONKS ago! It was a Trium Mondo (still got it in my loft and it still works!) - then got a Siemens SX45 also Windows CE (still got that too and it works as well!)- Pretty sure that was before ANY iPhone!
We all know Microsoft is on a roll to make patent licensing agreements with Android OEMs. Since last week, Microsoft have announced 4 such deals without disclosing the amount of royalty involved. Today Reuters that Microsoft is demanding about $15 per Android device from Samsung, one of the largest android OEM in the world. Microsoft is also ready to lower the royalty amount if Samsung agrees with some deeper alliance related to Windows Phone smartphone making. Microsoft signed similar deal with HTC last year, Will Samsung also join the fray soon? I hope Samsung agrees with Microsoft on the later deal of less royalty amount for Android devices and more Windows Phone smartphones. Also analysts predict Samsung to ship about 19 million smartphones this quarter, if the deal is done Microsoft will get about $1 Billion IP licensing revenue from Samsung alone in a year...
Now that is a beautiful puzzle, they've already released the most user friendly and in my opinion best is on the market and now they're putting a squeeze on the big name android OEMs to eliminate some of the competition. I love this, now just throw in some good marketing and well have the trifecta of a perfect operating system.
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We all know Microsoft is on a roll to make patent licensing agreements with Android OEMs. Since last week, Microsoft have announced 4 such deals without disclosing the amount of royalty involved. Today Reuters that Microsoft is demanding about $15 per Android device from Samsung, one of the largest android OEM in the world. Microsoft is also ready to lower the royalty amount if Samsung agrees with some deeper alliance related to Windows Phone smartphone making. Microsoft signed similar deal with HTC last year, Will Samsung also join the fray soon? I hope Samsung agrees with Microsoft on the later deal of less royalty amount for Android devices and more Windows Phone smartphones. Also analysts predict Samsung to ship about 19 million smartphones this quarter, if the deal is done Microsoft will get about $1 Billion IP licensing revenue from Samsung alone in a year...
Now that is a beautiful puzzle, they've already released the most user friendly and in my opinion best is on the market and now they're putting a squeeze on the big name android OEMs to eliminate some of the competition. I love this, now just throw in some good marketing and well have the trifecta of a perfect operating system.
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Well, you know what they say...fruit is better for us than pastries/dairy. (Mango vs. Ice Cream Sandwich/Eclair)
good for them, I don't think it's good for us
I can't believe a thread on xda of all places supporting a broken patent system, extortion, profiterring instead of innovation. wow.
*wipes tear* i love you Microsoft! always have done and will be loyal forever
The only group to blame for this is Google, releasing something that completely infringes on a bunch of other peoples patents. While it may be a douchey move to do this to the very manufactures you're partnered with, I can't blame MS.
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I can't believe a thread on xda of all places supporting a broken patent system, extortion, profiterring instead of innovation. wow.
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Except, after seeing your responses on here for months now... You would have zero problems with this if Google was doing it, right?
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Except, after seeing your responses on here for months now... You would have zero problems with this if Google was doing it, right?
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You are probably right
I'm kinda put off by some of those patents . I mean really .. you can patent that ?
Although they do own the patents so "Pay up Sucka's ."
This will not be good for user's in the end either way .
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I can't believe a thread on xda of all places supporting a broken patent system, extortion, profiterring instead of innovation. wow.
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But be logical now instead of loyal. Is it fair for someone to release a product using a part of something that you own and you receive nothing for it?
How would you feel if you developed an app and I took a portion of that and created my own app and made millions?
I am not saying the patent system is perfect; it is far from. But people need to innovate and license, not steal and pass off. And we are not even sure what this patent infringement is, but players are settling quickly. This suggests to me that it may be open and shut wrong-doing on Google's part.
But the thread is a little sensational. If MS's intention was to cripple they would be doing more than seeking royalties
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But be logical now instead of loyal. Is it fair for someone to release a product using a part of something that you own and you receive nothing for it?
How would you feel if you developed an app and I took a portion of that and created my own app and made millions?
I am not saying the patent system is perfect; it is far from. But people need to innovate and license, not steal and pass off. And we are not even sure what this patent infringement is, but players are settling quickly. This suggests to me that it may be open and shut wrong-doing on Google's part.
But the thread is a little sensational. If MS's intention was to cripple they would be doing more than seeking royalties
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That's my sentiments and what I've been about all along. Yet when I say Apple has the rights to receive compensation on their infringed patents, I'm an Apple fanboy. Then when I side with MS's side of the patent infringement, I'm a MS fanboy. The only time I'm not harassed badly for seeming like a fanboy is when I say something favorable about Google. If I say something favorable about any other company...even if the favored words are intermixed with multiple companies, I'm a fanboy. The friggin rationality of the web is beyond mind twisting. People will stomp and storm over the least little thing.
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If MS's intention was to cripple they would be doing more than seeking royalties
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I agree with this. MS definitely has the money to go after Google itself if they wanted to, but going after OEM's could be a way to secure a footing for WP7 as it's up to them to push WP7. If OEM's don't support WP7, it's screwed. Also, going after Google would conflict with MS & it's anti-monopoly issues.
Kinda old. Its been a known fact that Microsoft makes more money from Android than WP7.
Sad, sick, but true. The patent system is ridiculous.
The patent system is there to protect people from having their stuff stolen. How'd you like it if someone broke into your house & stole everything? Ok, not exactly the same thing. Or how about, you developer some new software or Ui or something & some big company like MS/Apple/Google steals it & makes millions or even billions off it? It's funny how when it's the big corperations, it's "sad/sick/etc," but if it were some small company or a single person, it's ok.
Double Standards just aren't cool. I may not like big corporations & their greed, but guest what, they have rights too.
You do realize that patent licensing happens everywhere to protect the developer of a technology. Like DVD/Blu Ray manufacturers paying royalties to the developers of that technology. The "Blu-ray Disc Association" (Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG (Lucky GoldStar) Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, and Samsung) created the Blu Ray format, so everyone else making Blu Ray players/burners must pay a royalty. How would you like it if you were the developer of Blu Ray & seeing all these companies making money on your technology while you're broke.
NOTE: In all of MS's 36 years, this is only the 7th time they actually acted on their patents.
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The patent system is there to protect people from having their stuff stolen. How'd you like it if someone broke into your house & stole everything? Ok, not exactly the same thing. Or how about, you developer some new software or Ui or something & some big company like MS/Apple/Google steals it & makes millions or even billions off it? It's funny how when it's the big corperations, it's "sad/sick/etc," but if it were some small company or a single person, it's ok.
Double Standards just aren't cool. I may not like big corporations & their greed, but guest what, they have rights too.
You do realize that patent licensing happens everywhere to protect the developer of a technology. Like DVD/Blu Ray manufacturers paying royalties to the developers of that technology. The "Blu-ray Disc Association" (Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG (Lucky GoldStar) Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, and Samsung) created the Blu Ray format, so everyone else making Blu Ray players/burners must pay a royalty. How would you like it if you were the developer of Blu Ray & seeing all these companies making money on your technology while you're broke.
NOTE: In all of MS's 36 years, this is only the 7th time they actually acted on their patents.
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I agree with you.....
everyone have the right to collect $$$$ for their patents, as they have spent time money and efforts, and no one is allowed to just take and use someone else's work...
Google will have more trouble coming their way when Nortel patents will change hands...
Oracle is also going to collect money from Google for some stuff they used in android, estimated $2 billion or so....
Google should have done their homework tbh, handing over these issues to the hardware manufacturers is pretty weak.
Not that I'm agreeing with these patents, some of them are very vaguely defined.
You guys really don't know how vague some of the patents are. Hell I can pick any software and find some copied code. Do some deeper investigation yourself. Doesn't matter how big or small a company is, doesn't matter to me if its Google, Apple, or some unknown Guy down the street.
The patent system needs a major over haul. Make a new OS or program and make millions, and I guarantee you that you will be slapped with patent infringement. Its sick.
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I agree with you.....
everyone have the right to collect $$$$ for their patents, as they have spent time money and efforts, and no one is allowed to just take and use someone else's work...
Google will have more trouble coming their way when Nortel patents will change hands...
Oracle is also going to collect money from Google for some stuff they used in android, estimated $2 billion or so....
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You do know oracle had to drop more than 90% of their case.
It isn't vague. When you patent something, you have to be thorough about how it all works. These "news" articles just give the "Title" to the patent. The full patent has this huge legal description of what exactly is patented. I know this because as a kid I was going through the patent process, till my lawyer found out what I was trying to patent already existed. BTW, as for try to make an OS. Well the problem is all OS's are basically the same, very similar UI's save (WP7). they all have some form of taskbar/start menu/window based applications. The whole point why Windows is called Windows. The point of inovation is to make something new, not copy what's there & try to make it different. That's basically borderline plagerism, granted that's to do with writing, but it's the same thing.
See this;
1) No. 6,909,910 from 2005 for "managing changes to a contact database."
2) No. 7,644,376, issued in 2010 to cover an API that lets mobile apps learn about state changes in the device.
3) No. 5,664,133 from 1997 covering "context sensitive menu system/menu behavior," known more generally as a graphical user interface that lets users "quickly and easily select/execute the desired computer resource."
4) No. 6,578,054 from 2003 covering online and offline transmission of data through methods that "eliminate data transmission and allow multiple copies of data to be synchronized via incremental changes."
5) No. 6,370,566 from 2002, with the self-explanatory title, "Generating Meeting Requests and Group Scheduling From a Mobile Device."
All of that us understandable but the patent system us royally ****ed up.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/27/technology/27patent.html
http://www.macgasm.net/2009/12/30/the-patent-system-is-broken-and-nokia-vs-apple-continues/
There are patents that defy the laws of phsyics, patents that are beyond belief. ****s stupid. Its actually hurting innovation from the little guys.
HTC bought S3, a graphics company, for $300MM USD in order to defend itself against an onslaught of competitors going after them for patent violations. Owning patents yourself forces a kind of detente as people won’t sue you for fear of you suing them back. Until now HTC’s been naked. In an earlier review last year a panel at the US Patent and Trademark Office said S3/HTC’s patents couldn’t be used against Apple. HTC appealed and a review handed down yesterday upheld the patent’s validity and Apple is now in violation of them. Ironically it’s for the Mac PC line, not mobile devices. At least now HTC has some sort of leverage against all the litigation being thrown at them by Apple.
Here’s what HTC said…
“We are gratified by the USPTO’s decision, which proves again that buying the patents from S3 was a significant and correct move for HTC.”
“We will continue to defend our interests and fight actively against any companies that infringe on our rights,” it said.
Here's the full story...
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2012/07/12/2003537510
Interesting Article. The power of patents just sometimes amuses me. Google bought Motorola for the same thing.
I fainted since the third word :victory: It's S3 actually..
The S3 bought over isn't recent article, HTC actually taking risks on the bought over of S3 from VIA since both of them are Cher Wang's. The actions may lead to some legal issues by taiwan laws that prevent on "arm-length transactions", they seems already get a pass from the verdict though.
Thanks for the link
awesome news and about damn time
but you want to tell me that out of all these patents HTC only got two? that are still under review
is it really worth it?
hamdir said:
but you want to tell me that out of all these patents HTC only got two? that are still under review
is it really worth it?
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You tell me? Apple got HTC's new phones stopped at the border for weeks by U.S. Customs based on just one patent. If HTC can get an import ban applied to Apple's new retina display Mac Books they've just started selling I think that would probably get Apple's attention.
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I fainted since the third word :victory: It's S3 actually.
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Chips, graphics companies, they're all the same. Thanks, I fixed it.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/28/tech/innovation/google-apple-patents/
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
They won a big one, so it's going to continue. There's not much discussion left other than Apple is abusing the Patent system.
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They won a big one, so it's going to continue. There's not much discussion left other than Apple is abusing the Patent system.
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I agree with you on this one, they are taking advantage of the patenting system, here's the kicker though. They are applying for and securing patents and until the actual inventors or idea makers actually patent and secure patenting rights, Apple will continue to patent other peoples ideas and secure them as their own.
Not only is this abuse of patenting, it's also that juries are awarding them the win. Anyone is able to patent an idea, even if it's not their own, as long as there is not already a patent issued for that idea. Apple is taking the legal route and patenting ideas, not only that but they are awarded the patent. A patent is there for you to take action upon your patent being violated.
I look at it as if Apple is saying the only way they can compete is to put other companies at bay by suing them for their patent infringements. Patenting "rounded corners" is absurd, period. Apple wasn't the first company to come up with rounded corners, they are the first to patent the design though, so thus it became their patent.
I think there are some things that should be protected by patents, I think a lot of modifiers and developers should take the time to patent their designs and mods in order to protect their ideas and hard work. Think of the pull down notification bar, who do you think came up with that idea? Probably not the person who holds the patent on it! I say in order to have an open and free market there should be something that are un-patentable. One thing that shouldn't be patented, I saw on Shark Tank and Mark Cuban said it was the most ridiculous patent ever and that those kind of patents are what is crippling the free and open market, that patent was adding a hole in a pocket so that headphones can connect to a device and thus allowing the user to plug their headphones into a device without needing to thread it up and under the closing flap... what a load of crap!
Apple, if you're so innovative and so bleeding edge, do you really need to sue your competition into bankruptcy or even to the point where they have to pay royalties because you patented something that you didn't even come up with on your own? To me, Apple isn't so much a technology innovator as it is a technology stealer (not saying that haven't had any innovations though)
This whole suing thing frustrates me, yet they have the legal right to do so because they secured the patent on ideas that they got from someone else. I am not saying Apple didn't come up with something on their complete own, although it would be hard pressed to come up with those things... I mean come on, they couldn't even come up with their own company name, they stole that from The Beatles owned Apple Records... gimme a break!
Oh and let's not start on Intellectual Property either, patenting ideas without having any prototypes!
Okay I will now step down from my soapbox, thanks for allowing me to rant
for your reading pleasure http://www.businessinsider.com/how-ios-5-copied-android-2012-5?op=1
Samsung just sold them $7B in CPU's. They wanted a quick way to get some money back and carriers aren't going to be willing to subsidize the production of their devices anymore when they can make real money off Android devices (especially SAmsung.)
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I agree with you on this one, they are taking advantage of the patenting system, here's the kicker though. They are applying for and securing patents and until the actual inventors or idea makers actually patent and secure patenting rights, Apple will continue to patent other peoples ideas and secure them as their own.
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This right here is a fine example of the Patent System and it's vulnerability. It shouldn't be allowed to be patented if the Technology already exists.
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Not only is this abuse of patenting, it's also that juries are awarding them the win. Anyone is able to patent an idea, even if it's not their own, as long as there is not already a patent issued for that idea. Apple is taking the legal route and patenting ideas, not only that be they are awarded the patent. A patent is there for you to take action upon your patent being violated.
I look at it as if Apple is saying the only way they can compete is to put other companies at bay by suing them for their patent infringements. Patenting "rounded corners" is absurd, period. Apple wasn't the first company to come up with rounded corners, they are the first to patent the design though, so thus it because their patent.
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This is correct. Apple is losing Market share, and it's showing. They are choosing to claim that Samsung (and other manufacturers) are 100% ripping Apple off, which isn't necessarily the case. If I recall, Samsung didn't own most of the Market share until after the S2 (which wasn't a complete ripoff of Iphone). One can argue the software icons are alike, but Apple's point is that Samsung products are "Too similar" and "confuse customers into thinking they're buying Apple products." This is absolutely ridiculous. Just the fact that they have patented the shape of the device makes my stomach twist. The thing about innovation (at least for most part) is taking someone's brilliant idea, and making it better. Look at how far the wheel's got.
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I think there are some things that should be protected by patents, I think a lot of modifiers and developers should take the time to patent their designs and mods in order to protect their ideas and hard work. Think of the pull down notification bar, who do you think came up with that idea? Probably not the person who holds the patent on it! I say in order to have an open and free market there should be something that are un-patentable. One thing that shouldn't be patented, I saw on Shark Tank and Mark Cuban said it was the most ridiculous patent ever and that those kind of patents are what is crippling the free and open market, that patent was adding a hole in a pocket so that headphones can connect to a device and thus allowing the user to plug their headphones into a device without needing to thread it up and under the closing flap... what a load of crap!
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Apple is playing the victim in court but you're absolutely right, Apple saw the notification bar and implemented it because it's not patented. This, I would be fine with, but when they go and complain about someone else using their work for design then they go to court. It's all about who's got what in writing at this point.
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Apple, if you're so innovative and so bleeding edge, do you really need to sue your competition into bankruptcy or even to the point where they have to pay royalties because you patented something that you didn't even come up with on your own? To me, Apple isn't so much a technology innovator as it is a technology stealer (not saying that you haven't had any innovations though)
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I love this part of your reply.
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This whole suing thing frustrates me, yet they have the legal right to do so because they secured the patent on ideas that they got from someone else. I am not saying Apple didn't come up with something on their complete own, although it would be hard pressed to come up with those things... I mean come on, they couldn't even come up with their own company name, they stole that from The Beatles owned Apple Records... gimme a break!
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Well, hopefully with the Motorola/Google vs Apple lawsuits, things might change. "If you sue me and win, I'll sue you and win." It'll be a never ending circle until they agree upon some sort of agreement like Microsoft has with Apple.
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Oh and let's not start on Intellectual Property either, patenting ideas without having any prototypes!
Okay I will now step down from my soapbox, thanks for allowing me to rant
for your reading pleasure http://www.businessinsider.com/how-ios-5-copied-android-2012-5?op=1
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I enjoyed reading your thoughts on this and it's great how similar it is to mine.
http://www.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleMobile.aspx?regionid=1&articleid=4121798
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
Check this one out
http://www.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleMobile.aspx?regionid=1&articleid=4121798
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
blackdragon79 said:
http://www.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleMobile.aspx?regionid=1&articleid=4121798
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.
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Lol. This is the result of Apple telling everyone that Samsung's products are basically Apples. They've implanted into people's minds that Samsung = Apple, but Samsung < Apple in terms of $$$. So People <3 Samsung > Apple.
This is going into a ridicoulus childrens feud, were you do me harm then I'll harm you yada yada bs...
If this continues we might see a similiar outcome as the one in South Korea, where BOTH Apple and Samsung are facing a limited time ban on their respective products.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19364875
A direct qoute from the judge proceeding the ruling
"There are lots of external design similarities between the iPhone and Galaxy S, such as rounded corners and large screens... but these similarities had been documented in previous products," a judge at the Seoul Central District Court was quoted as saying by the Reuters news agency.
"Given that it's very limited to make big design changes in touchscreen based mobile products in general... and the defendant [Samsung] differentiated its products with three buttons in the front and adopted different designs in camera and [on the] side, the two products have a different look,"
If only the CA jury had this insight and ruled the verdict in the same way, things would of come differently and had given Apple a wake up call and big slap in the face.
The Jury Blew it
A self-proclaimed "expert" pretty much decided the case and the rest of the jury went along for the ride.
Groklaw has a nice little article on it.
GPLLL said:
A self-proclaimed "expert" pretty much decided the case and the rest of the jury went along for the ride.
Groklaw has a nice little article on it.
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Doesn't that fall under conflict of interest and over rules the decision? Not sure how the court system works or anything, but in other cases this alone would go for an over rule and/or appeal.
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....Apple's point is that Samsung products are "Too similar" and "confuse customers into thinking they're buying Apple products...
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I have heard that this is what Apple is claiming, if I was an iPhone user that statement would speak volumes to me as to who Apple really views iPhone users... as idiots
I know not all iPhone users are pure idiots, Apple's statement sure makes their thoughts of their users known
Just so everyone knows I'm not bashing iPhone users, all phones have some users that are idiots too! HAHA
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They'll try but it's not likely to effect anything.
Apple stocked up on LTE patents before the release, so likely this won't go anywhere.
I Am Marino said:
They'll try but it's not likely to effect anything.
Apple stocked up on LTE patents before the release, so likely this won't go anywhere.
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Not sure why you say that. It only takes one bullet to kill (and apple has already been trying to get sammy and htc's phones banned, so there's not exactly a deterrence factor here - indeed, one can say that they're forced to go on the offensive in order to force a settlement).
What I don't understand is the timeframe. As we all know, the wheels of "justice" work slowly, but it sort of seems like HTC's two LTE patents have already long been in consideration, and could lead to an ITC injunction soon. Not that I'm any expert in the patent system, mind you.
HTC is already in the process, Samsung is on their way too....
http://androidandme.com/2012/09/sma...ck-us-eu-sales-of-iphone-5-using-lte-patents/
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They'll try but it's not likely to effect anything.
Apple stocked up on LTE patents before the release, so likely this won't go anywhere.
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Apple obtaining LTE patents means nothing in the court of law. However, the patents from HTC and Samsung are considered FRAND patents afaik so they are unlikely to cause any type of injunction.
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Apple obtaining LTE patents means nothing in the court of law.
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How so?
That meant a lot in a court of law when it came to Samsung.
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How so?
That meant a lot in a court of law when it came to Samsung.
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In terms of HTC or Samsung getting an injunction. It doesn't matter what patents Apple has, if they violate HTC or Samsung, they can be found guilty of infringement.
But, these patents are FRAND patents, which means they will not be given an preliminary injunction to ban sales even if the judge thanks they are infringing.
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AFAIK, Google doesn't have any approved patents on any of those. They do some notification type patents but none that are exactly like the current JB notification system. And Google didn't invent any of those features as they all existed before they were included in Android.
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Google will never sue Apple directly and vice versa.
When and if this happens, mobile hell will break loose because one OS will die after it.
bozzykid said:
AFAIK, Google doesn't have any approved patents on any of those. They do some notification type patents but none that are exactly like the current JB notification system. And Google didn't invent any of those features as they all existed before they were included in Android.
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and Apple didn't invent ANYTHING but they are sueing EVERYONE!
btw. http://androidspin.com/2012/09/11/a...li-and-grocery-store-in-latest-legal-dispute/
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and Apple didn't invent ANYTHING but they are sueing EVERYONE!
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you missed the blatantly obvious.. apple invented rectangles with rounded corners, the jury said so. because before apple, those shapes didnt exist :silly:
I Am Marino said:
Google will never sue Apple directly and vice versa.
When and if this happens, mobile hell will break loose because one OS will die after it.
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what do u think this can be avoided?
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simms22 said:
you missed the blatantly obvious.. apple invented rectangles with rounded corners, the jury said so. because before apple, those shapes didnt exist :silly:
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****ty U.S Patent office .....
bozzykid said:
Apple obtaining LTE patents means nothing in the court of law. However, the patents from HTC and Samsung are considered FRAND patents afaik so they are unlikely to cause any type of injunction.
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If they were FRAND, there would have been a big outcry by now, and the ITC judge of the HTC patents would probably have mentioned it. Instead, the outcry is limited to commenters who are highly opinionated and don't actually know anything.
"Apple claimed the existing 3G-related patents are standard essential patents (SEPs) according to our earlier commitment to the FRAND (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory) terms. But the story is totally different when you talk about LTE patents. These are new and highly-valued," a source said in the article.
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thebobp said:
Not sure why you say that. It only takes one bullet to kill (and apple has already been trying to get sammy and htc's phones banned, so there's not exactly a deterrence factor here - indeed, one can say that they're forced to go on the offensive in order to force a settlement).
What I don't understand is the timeframe. As we all know, the wheels of "justice" work slowly, but it sort of seems like HTC's two LTE patents have already long been in consideration, and could lead to an ITC injunction soon. Not that I'm any expert in the patent system, mind you.
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If they requested the patent prior to trial they are fine. If during trial...they're screwed
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Areg8_6 said:
and Apple didn't invent ANYTHING but they are sueing EVERYONE!
btw. http://androidspin.com/2012/09/11/a...li-and-grocery-store-in-latest-legal-dispute/
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They may not have invented anything but they have a crap load of patents that says otherwise. Google has only recently started focusing on applying for patents for Android. They are way behind Apple in this regard. This is why they were forced to buy Motorola.
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Article on it here
http://mobile.businessweek.com/news...-challenged-by-apple-probably-valid-judge-say
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Hope HTC, slaps Apple stupid hard for being sneaky.
I love me HTC and Samsung. They are on some boss moves. HTC will probably stomp on them harder since they "Truly" are the first with the LTE stamp.. second is Samsung.
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