Friends, sadly the optimus G will have a locked bootloader
http://www.androidcentral.com/official-word-optimus-g-bootloader
And, therefore I won't be buying it. Oh well, I'll wait for a company that wants to play nice.
I'm in no hurry.
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JasonJoel said:
And, therefore I won't be buying it. Oh well, I'll wait for a company that wants to play nice.
I'm in no hurry.
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Good luck if you're on at&t.
Pretty sure you just have to go straight for an off contract phone.
I hate supporting phones that don't come with unlocked bootloaders by default but, I don't h ave 500$+ to spend.. Especially when I'll be paying the same price for my cellular service either way.
Well I guess we'll just have to wait for the Google announcement on the 29th to see when the Nexus 4comes out huh. After watching the PocketNow review of this phone I was considering it but with a locked bootloader no way.
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Not really... Samsung phones (like the S3) have unlockable boot loader on at&t. As does the HTC One X I'm using (although HTC screwed that up in later releases).
Will probably just go with the Note 2 if it has an unlockable bootloader (which it should).
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Can someone please explain something. I'm obviously not up on this due to the noob question, but just yesterday there was news that the device is in fact root-able. I assume this is totally different than a locked bootloader? Can the boot loader still be locked, yet rooted? Once rooted, is the device's bootloader unlocked at that time? thanks, guys
Yes u can root even with a locked boot loader. You.just can't flash.custom kernels. Although I.don't know if kexec will work or not. I think the guys that.get the Sprint version will be ok with an unlockable boot loader. I am sure that there is someone with an unlocked boot loader floating around. Kinda like the Verizon s3 got a leak of an unsecured boot loader which let us unlock it Just have to wait.and see what.pops up.
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First... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Well, I was somewhat expecting this. Oh well. I will sit back and see what happens. Many locked phones have fallen to the powers of the Android community. (I forget what the Korean thread says, but I thought they had cracked their version already.) Only time will tell. I hope it's quick though.
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Can someone please explain something. I'm obviously not up on this due to the noob question, but just yesterday there was news that the device is in fact root-able. I assume this is totally different than a locked bootloader? Can the boot loader still be locked, yet rooted? Once rooted, is the device's bootloader unlocked at that time? thanks, guys
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There is this post to give you a little start on the lingo. A google search ought to give you a good explanation quickly.
In short though, to answer your questions from a not-quite-so-noob, "rooting" a device gains you access to the software running on the system. Don't like the bloatware that came on the phone? With root access, you can delete them. You can have root without an unlocked bootloader. (Warranty likely voided.)
The bootloader is the first bit of software that the phone runs when the power is turned on, which loads the OS and such, and passes off control to the OS to boot up.With a locked bootloader, you are basically stuck with the updates (if any) blessed by the manufacturer AND the carrier. Unlocked, you can install customized ROMs, swap kernels, custom recoveries (search "nandroid backup"), and even more warranty voiding goodness. YOU decide "how" your phone works.
Now... If your phone DOES break, both acts can be reversed (some exceptions) so you can pretend you didn't do anything you weren't supposed to be doing, and have your "warranty."
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Not really... Samsung phones (like the S3) have unlockable boot loader on at&t. As does the HTC One X I'm using (although HTC screwed that up in later releases).
Will probably just go with the Note 2 if it has an unlockable bootloader (which it should).
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Yes but, with HTC you are only marginally better off as they provide incredibly small kernel support. My HTC flyer has an officially unlocked bootloader and Dexter has been working on a JB Rom forever and it's still not in a "Factory release" state like other devices.
I don't blame Dexter but, it's pretty sad. Heck, in the One X+ forum there was announcement by a dev openly stated we should be aware it will be hard to dev for before we even consider it.
As far as Samsung goes, I applaud them for supporting the dev community the way they have in the various ways but, their SAMOLED screens are a bit..well dated looking. When they first came out, they were nice because they were brighter, more vibrant, and colorful. Now I really would love to hop on the IPS displays which are sharper.
I was right. Damn you LG! DAMN YOUUUUU!
Guess, I'm sticking with my O4X HD. With the same locked bootloader FTL
Would it be more productive to petition lg or start a bounty.... Or does the locked bootloaders even really matter? My understanding is without kernel sources an email unlocked bootloader isn't only marginally useful.
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Would it be more productive to petition lg or start a bounty.... Or does the locked bootloaders even really matter? My understanding is without kernel sources an email unlocked bootloader isn't only marginally useful.
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Already have one going on: http://www.change.org/petitions/lg-...opportunity-to-unlock-bootloader-in-lg-phones
So please guys, sign the petition and who knows...somewhere down the road maybe they'll listen and grant our wishes. :crying:
We're already up to 1000+ that already signed...lets get this rolling and share it to every other forum you go to. Thanks in advanced.
How often do petitions actually work?
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How often do petitions actually work?
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Imagine if <10,000 people signed a petition saying that they wanted McDonald's to stop selling meat products. Yeah, LG probably cares about as much as McDonald's would in that scenario.
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Imagine if <10,000 people signed a petition saying that they wanted McDonald's to stop selling meat products. Yeah, LG probably cares about as much as McDonald's would in that scenario.
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I respectfully disagree. LG is not anywhere near HTC, Apple, or Samsung in terms of volume sold. They need all the help they can get and simply cannot afford to lose potential customers. Even HTC and Samsung have been affected by petitions like this. It led HTC to have unlockable bootloaders. Also, in your McDonald's analogy, McDonald's would be losing many customers if they no longer had burgers or other meat products, whereas LG would be gaining customers if they decided to open up a bit. And the community here at XDA (most of whom I would assume are against locked bootloaders) is for the most part, fairly knowledgeable about phones and mobile devices. As we are knowledgeable on the subject, people go to us for advice on their next devices. If LG's bootloaders were unlocked, I can assure you that I (like many other XDA users) would not only purchase the Optimus G for myself, but I would also be much more likely to recommend it. There's ~5 Million members here, of which I would imagine 1-1.5 Million are in the market for a new device. As it offers the best specifications on the market at the moment, I would assume the Optimus G would have to be a thought to most of these people. However, the lack of SD Card support (on the International and Sprint versions), nonremovable battery, and locked bootloaders can potentially deter many of these people from buying it and/or recommending it to their friends, families, and acquaintances and instead, these people could easily opt for roughly equivalent devices made by LG's competitors, such as the One series by HTC and the Galaxy series by Samsung. It never makes business sense to turn away thousands of potential customers, especially when said company is not leading sales figures in the industry.
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I respectfully disagree. LG is not anywhere near HTC, Apple, or Samsung in terms of volume sold. They need all the help they can get and simply cannot afford to lose potential customers. Even HTC and Samsung have been affected by petitions like this. It led HTC to have unlockable bootloaders. Also, in your McDonald's analogy, McDonald's would be losing many customers if they no longer had burgers or other meat products, whereas LG would be gaining customers if they decided to open up a bit. And the community here at XDA (most of whom I would assume are against locked bootloaders) is for the most part, fairly knowledgeable about phones and mobile devices. As we are knowledgeable on the subject, people go to us for advice on their next devices. If LG's bootloaders were unlocked, I can assure you that I (like many other XDA users) would not only purchase the Optimus G for myself, but I would also be much more likely to recommend it. There's ~5 Million members here, of which I would imagine 1-1.5 Million are in the market for a new device. As it offers the best specifications on the market at the moment, I would assume the Optimus G would have to be a thought to most of these people. However, the lack of SD Card support (on the International and Sprint versions), nonremovable battery, and locked bootloaders can potentially deter many of these people from buying it and/or recommending it to their friends, families, and acquaintances and instead, these people could easily opt for roughly equivalent devices made by LG's competitors, such as the One series by HTC and the Galaxy series by Samsung. It never makes business sense to turn away thousands of potential customers, especially when said company is not leading sales figures in the industry.
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I mostly agree with your points. I do, however, think that the whole purpose of OEMs locking their bootloaders is to deter people from prolonging the life of their phone and not to protect people from bricking them. Because let's face it, 99.9% of people that even know what a bootloader is in the first place will probably be able to flash their phone without bricking it and exchanging it for a new one at the OEMs expense. So, with that in mind, it only seems logical that an OEM would lock the bootloader to prevent people from taking things into their own hands with such a powerhouse phone that could last for years with proper software updates (that will undoubtedly not happen in a timely manner from LG for more than the first year, if that). They want people to like the phone, be at the mercy of LG for updates, and when those updates end, buy a new LG phone and repeat. So with this standard model, I just don't see how they could care about the very small (in comparison to the general public) development community. Just my thoughts though, I really have no idea what LG's strategy is or what will end up happening.
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I mostly agree with your points. I do, however, think that the whole purpose of OEMs locking their bootloaders is to deter people from prolonging the life of their phone and not to protect people from bricking them. Because let's face it, 99.9% of people that even know what a bootloader is in the first place will probably be able to flash their phone without bricking it and exchanging it for a new one at the OEMs expense. So, with that in mind, it only seems logical that an OEM would lock the bootloader to prevent people from taking things into their own hands with such a powerhouse phone that could last for years with proper software updates (that will undoubtedly not happen in a timely manner from LG for more than the first year, if that). They want people to like the phone, be at the mercy of LG for updates, and when those updates end, buy a new LG phone and repeat. So with this standard model, I just don't see how they could care about the very small (in comparison to the general public) development community. Just my thoughts though, I really have no idea what LG's strategy is or what will end up happening.
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You know.. I think the bold part is also problematic. While it is a great "theoretical" strategy... the amount of people you piss off is potentially enough that they will never buy your device again.
Back when my Captivate was younger, despite there being many solid ROM options, people were still outraged the phone didn't receive prompt manufacturer provided updates.
Despite the whole "if people knew how to unlock bootloaders, bricks would happen left and right!" argument that I've seen circulating for the last 2 years.. the reality is if people know their warranty is voided, they either do or don't care. If unlocking the bootloader and rooting the phone were just a few ABD commands that would be all the litmus test needed really.
The reality is if people can use ABD then they are probably technically proficient enough to install a custom ROM. If they are too scared for their warranty/afraid of entering commands by text, they are probably not going to want to install a custom rom anyway.
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You know.. I think the bold part is also problematic. While it is a great "theoretical" strategy... the amount of people you piss off is potentially enough that they will never buy your device again.
Back when my Captivate was younger, despite there being many solid ROM options, people were still outraged the phone didn't receive prompt manufacturer provided updates.
Despite the whole "if people knew how to unlock bootloaders, bricks would happen left and right!" argument that I've seen circulating for the last 2 years.. the reality is if people know their warranty is voided, they either do or don't care. If unlocking the bootloader and rooting the phone were just a few ABD commands that would be all the litmus test needed really.
The reality is if people can use ABD then they are probably technically proficient enough to install a custom ROM. If they are too scared for their warranty/afraid of entering commands by text, they are probably not going to want to install a custom rom anyway.
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That's how it is on the Nexus series (simple ADB commands), which I doubt is bricked any more than on any other devices.
Back to Scotty's post, I really don't think LG wants to update these phones (that's what the development community is for), so I don't think their goal is to keep you on their software. I don't think the custom software is supposed to serve any purpose but to make people buy the devices in the first place. I do agree that they're concerned that unlocked bootloaders make people more likely to brick (which is likely not true since it's the same people unlocking bootloaders on locked devices as the people who install custom ROMs on others). I actually think that locking bootloaders makes people trying to unlock them more likely to brick in the process. CM ROMs actually make things easier on their update team since the people who care about the OS version are typically the first to try custom ROMs. At the very least, I would like for LG to implement a similar strategy to HTC and Motorola where they keep track of people who unlock, but give a free, painless method. This would make everyone (LG and us) fairly happy.
If there is going to be a lg nexus phone wouldn't it be much easier to unlock the boot loader and have kernel sources? The hardware is the same
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Edit: its been reported that at&t is indeed blocking the unlock for their version of this device.
The release of the One X has us all very excited, and there is much reason to be excited. Yet, I feel like many people don't really understand some of the issues we may be up against. Let's take into account some recent HTC phones that came out. Let's look at the Vivid and Rezound. Both of these devices did not have the option to unlock the bootloader until months after. In fact, HTC was not even planning on talking about releasing the unlock until 6 months or later after initial release of the device. We started petitions, spammed the twitters and facebooks of AT&T/Verizon and HTC. It was amazing how each just blamed eachother for the locked bootloaders. Keep in mind this was AFTER the CEO of HTC promised no more locked bootloaders. Samsung does not ship locked bootloaders either. After a few months of begging and pleading, we eventually got official HTC dev unlock. But by that time, most the devs and community were gone.
We had a few teams working very hard on cracking the Vivid/Rezound but to no avail. Apparently HTC upped their game compared to past devices, and to this day we still don't even have unofficial bootloader unlock, s off, sim unlock, etc. On AT&T, the Vivid was one of the best spec'd devices, if not the best, out at the time. Yet, due to the actions of HTC/AT&T, the development was absolutely screwed. At this point in time we have only three or four devs with ROMs, no doubt we would have had tons more if not for the locked bootloader issues.
We need to talk with HTC before the release of this device to make sure the One X doesn't get screwed as bad as the Vivid did. You guys don't know how much it sucks to wait months and months to even put a custom ROM on your phone. We need to hold HTC to their promise. Sure, we can rely on unofficial methods, but then there's always that "what if" factor if nothing happens there.
EDIT: Willyami found this, I'm happy to hear temp-root is already achieved. Yet the article still states we need bootloader unlock or S OFF for perm root...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/htc-one-x-gets-rooted-before-retail-debut/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/htc-one-x-gets-rooted-before-retail-debut/
The One X is already rooted by Modaco. So I do believe this wont be such a problem to One X.
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The release of the One X has us all very excited, and there is much reason to be excited. Yet, I feel like many people don't really understand some of the issues we may be up against. Let's take into account some recent HTC phones that came out. Let's look at the Vivid and Rezound. Both of these devices did not have the option to unlock the bootloader until months after. In fact, HTC was not even planning on talking about releasing the unlock until 6 months or later after initial release of the device. We started petitions, spammed the twitters and facebooks of AT&T/Verizon and HTC. It was amazing how each just blamed eachother for the locked bootloaders. Keep in mind this was AFTER the CEO of HTC promised no more locked bootloaders. Samsung does not ship locked bootloaders either. After a few months of begging and pleading, we eventually got official HTC dev unlock. But by that time, most the devs and community were gone.
We had a few teams working very hard on cracking the Vivid/Rezound but to no avail. Apparently HTC upped their game compared to past devices, and to this day we still don't even have unofficial bootloader unlock, s off, sim unlock, etc. On AT&T, the Vivid was one of the best spec'd devices, if not the best, out at the time. Yet, due to the actions of HTC/AT&T, the development was absolutely screwed. At this point in time we have only three or four devs with ROMs, no doubt we would have had tons more if not for the locked bootloader issues.
We need to talk with HTC before the release of this device to make sure the One X doesn't get screwed as bad as the Vivid did. You guys don't know how much it sucks to wait months and months to even put a custom ROM on your phone. We need to hold HTC to their promise. Sure, we can rely on unofficial methods, but then there's always that "what if" factor if nothing happens there.
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Absolutely agree with you dude. As a result of so few devs over there, I still haven't unlocked and rooted my Vivid.
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i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
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i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
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Yeah, maybe for you. But this is a development site. we're here to develop and make the device as badass as possible. The phone will be enjoyed for sure. but enjoyed more with it rooted Running a CoreDroid Rom
uranis said:
i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
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I think a majority of the people here would agree, the ability to customize your phone beyond what the manufacturer intended is your right as a consumer....you bought the phone...right.... also I might add, a majority of the people on this website are here for rooting information and custom roms.... it is after all, a development based forum. I think this thread should be closed though, because its been noted above that the one x has been rooted.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/htc-one-x-gets-rooted-before-retail-debut/
The One X is already rooted by Modaco. So I do believe this wont be such a problem to One X.
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Damn, nice find. I still wonder how HTC will do with the official unlock though. They are really laggy when it comes to releasing code too.
uranis said:
i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
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lol easier to talk the talk than walk the walk. I had the same mindset you did, but two/three months of the same old thing and same old sense really sucked. Try it if you don't believe me.
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I think a majority of the people here would agree, the ability to customize your phone beyond what the manufacturer intended is your right as a consumer....you bought the phone...right.... also I might add, a majority of the people on this website are here for rooting information and custom roms.... it is after all, a development based forum. I think this thread should be closed though, because its been noted above that the one x has been rooted.
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Yea it's your choice, but the phone isn't even out yet. I just don't understand buying a phone because of what rom you could possibly get on it. Just my opinion.
Unfortunately, that is only temp root. It is not a permanent root solution. This link is the exact method described in the article and its from this forums dev section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1562470
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Yea it's your choice, but the phone isn't even out yet. I just don't understand buying a phone because of what rom you could possibly get on it. Just my opinion.
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A HUGE factor that goes into what phone I buy is how big the potential is for development. I think that's a pretty common thing to look for for most XDA'ers.
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I think a majority of the people here would agree, the ability to customize your phone beyond what the manufacturer intended is your right as a consumer....you bought the phone...right.... also I might add, a majority of the people on this website are here for rooting information and custom roms.... it is after all, a development based forum. I think this thread should be closed though, because its been noted above that the one x has been rooted.
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That's temp root, not perm root. The article states we still need S OFF or htcdev unlock for perm root.
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A HUGE factor that goes into what phone I buy is how big the potential is for development. I think that's a pretty common thing to look for for most XDA'ers.
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Yeah that's what I look for. I was lucky for getting a captivate a while back, it was my first android device and I loved doing the customization. I'll be happy with this phone but I'm really looking forward to the development.
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Damn, nice find. I still wonder how HTC will do with the official unlock though. They are really laggy when it comes to releasing code too.
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HTC have already released the source code to the Sensation ICS kernel, and it's not even properly rolled out yet. Doesn't seem laggy to me
Calm down dude!
HTC learned the hard lesson of Sensation/sgs2.
They losed 3 months of potential buyers (and that made the whole difference in sales volume) because they locked the bootloader.
sgs2 won because it was unlocked and rooted easily.
The HTC One X is already rooted thanks to Modaco, so no need to worry at all, also Mike did a custom rom already,there are many Sensation devs switching to One X...
Another pro argument might be that this will be a real flagship device. As we all know, htc released much too many phones in 2011 (close to 50 I heard in an xda-tv episode ) and they realized the problems that come with such an approach.
The vivid or the rezound might just have been skipped by most devs, some of the better are even still on the 2 year old HD2.
I really hope that this will be the next HD2, it's got all the potential to be the next best phone ever.
I believe that HTC are changing and learning. If you see the communications between them and XDA over the last year, if you see the HTCDev site, if you see the list of ICS updates, if you see the API's they are releasing, etc.
If you look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCXgL7MDsIc Jeff clearly says it will be unlocked.
Also I agree with their reasoning for locking the boot loader, and as long as they release the unlock tool I think its a good process to ensure only those who know and accept the consequences will use it.
PS. Also the HTC One X is not tied to a partner so it should give HTC full control of what they do with it. Were as the HTC One XL is tied to AT&T so it may mean for that device its more complicated a process to get AT&T to agree to unlock the boot loader.
The "One" series must have been made for something, didn't they say they are trying to make their phones more recognisable too? In that case, it makes perfect sense to not release 50 phones a year (or one every week), as that really tarnishes the brand
i've never unlocked a phone on htcdev, but it has a generic unlock option.
you have to submit an identifier token you can query with fastboot, and you are getting a unlock binary sent by email which you can flash with fastboot to unlock the phone. if the hboot of the phone supports this.
seems very generic to me, and i guess you can already unlock a htc-one device using this method
Edit: Ops! I am wrong... please see later posts! Sorry blubbers!
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Calm down dude!
HTC learned the hard lesson of Sensation/sgs2.
They losed 3 months of potential buyers (and that made the whole difference in sales volume) because they locked the bootloader.
sgs2 won because it was unlocked and rooted easily.
The HTC One X is already rooted thanks to Modaco, so no need to worry at all, also Mike did a custom rom already,there are many Sensation devs switching to One X...
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A custom rom means nothing. Did you even read the article or my post?? It says you still need s off or bootloader unlock for permanent root. Modaco only found temp root.
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I'm on the fence between waiting for the N5 or getting the OG Pro.
Is the OG Pro difficult to root, flash custom recovery, CM 10.2, etc? (That's what I really want the device for)
Is the bootloader locked?
Any basic suggestions or tips would be appreciated.
The boot loader is locked. However, there is a work around called "Loki", hence the roms, which btw run great on the G Pro.
But I'd advise you to wait for the N5 due to it having a fully unlocked boot loader , more accessories and more support by both Google and XDA.
I will buy one for sure.
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I'm on the fence between waiting for the N5 or getting the OG Pro.
Is the OG Pro difficult to root, flash custom recovery, CM 10.2, etc? (That's what I really want the device for)
Is the bootloader locked?
Any basic suggestions or tips would be appreciated.
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OG Pro is simple to root, both cwm and twrp recoveries are easily available and working, and there is an official CM 10.2 available which is a nightly, so daily updates
So if these are your only considerations, you can buy the OG Pro with your eyes closed.
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OG Pro is simple to root, both cwm and twrp recoveries are easily available and working, and there is an official CM 10.2 available which is a nightly, so daily updates
So if these are your only considerations, you can buy the OG Pro with your eyes closed.
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My only concern is that I don't know if the 980H is the same as the 980.
The 980H is the Panama version, the ROM from which is a popular flash option for this model in a Stock ROM. I'm actually in Panama, and this is where I'll purchase.
What about the root, recovery options? Should I use the one's for the 980? I don't see any for the H variant.
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I'm on the fence between waiting for the N5 or getting the OG Pro.
Is the OG Pro difficult to root, flash custom recovery, CM 10.2, etc? (That's what I really want the device for)
Is the bootloader locked?
Any basic suggestions or tips would be appreciated.
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OG Pro is a GREAT Device in its own way. If you need Removable battery, Micro SD slot then this device is suitable.
N5 has is pros and cons. U get latest S800 processor, direct updates from google, but only 16 or 32GB storage and non removable 2300 mah of N5 is no near to 3140mah of OGP. And LG will MOSTLY update OGP to 4.4 Kitkat by end of this year.
It is easy to flash custom roms on this device, well easier than HTC phones and there is going to be lot of development in future for this device. This device also have OFFICIAL support from Cyanogen mod team.(Correct me if i'm wrong).
For me OGP is better option than most of the other phones out there right now.
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OG Pro is a GREAT Device in its own way. If you need Removable battery, Micro SD slot then this device is suitable.
N5 has is pros and cons. U get latest S800 processor, direct updates from google, but only 16 or 32GB storage and non removable 2300 mah of N5 is no near to 3140mah of OGP. And LG will MOSTLY update OGP to 4.4 Kitkat by end of this year.
It is easy to flash custom roms on this device, well easier than HTC phones and there is going to be lot of development in future for this device. This device also have OFFICIAL support from Cyanogen mod team.(Correct me if i'm wrong).
For me OGP is better option than most of the other phones out there right now.
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Don't you think that LG will eventually patch the bootloader exploit and end the party?
That's what bothers me about it, because Samdung did basically the same thing recently with Knox.
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Don't you think that LG will eventually patch the bootloader exploit and end the party?
That's what bothers me about it, because Samdung did basically the same thing recently with Knox.
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with custom roms we don't need official OTA updates anymore plus they're slow with the updates anyway
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with custom roms we don't need official OTA updates anymore plus they're slow with the updates anyway
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Just as long as those features aren't tied to the bootloader, then there's no problem, but if the case of Samdung's Knox bootloaders have illustrated anything, it's that this is always an option.
Without the Knox bootloader, 4.3 update broke Wi-Fi, Sound, etc. It's what pushed me to sell the S4 and be done with Samdung once and for all.
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Just as long as those features aren't tied to the bootloader, then there's no problem, but if the case of Samdung's Knox bootloaders have illustrated anything, it's that this is always an option.
Without the Knox bootloader, 4.3 update broke Wi-Fi, Sound, etc. It's what pushed me to sell the S4 and be done with Samdung once and for all.
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Well Samdung are floating in the sky because of lots of sales and huge profit (about $10 billion i guess!!) so they don't care about the developer community and moving against it like Apple. Samdung is not apple but they don't understand it. they want to provide security on their devices like Apple does. Thats what they are trying with something called Knox bootloaders. This is one of the reason that kept me away from getting a Note 3. LG has long way to go before they become like Samdung. So i wouldn't worry about it for atleast 2 years! LOL
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Well Samdung are floating in the sky because of lots of sales and huge profit (about $10 billion i guess!!) so they don't care about the developer community and moving against it like Apple. Samdung is not apple but they don't understand it. they want to provide security on their devices like Apple does. Thats what they are trying with something called Knox bootloaders. This is one of the reason that kept me away from getting a Note 3. LG has long way to go before they become like Samdung. So i wouldn't worry about it for atleast 2 years! LOL
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Well, their protection scheme is similar. I forgot what they call it, but it's all the same sort of sham. It releases the corporation from liability for warranty service, regardless of what the issue is, if the "protection" flag is tripped.
I find myself dreaming often about what it would be like if a company (like LG, which is smaller than the competition) threw everything they had behind the Open Source and Development community and just made their devices with folks like us XDA members in mind! How many millions of us are there now? We probably buy more gadgets as a group than any other segment of the global population as a whole, yet we are basically ignored and treated like criminals.
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I find myself dreaming often about what it would be like if a company (like LG, which is smaller than the competition) threw everything they had behind the Open Source and Development community and just made their devices with folks like us XDA members in mind! How many millions of us are there now? We probably buy more gadgets as a group than any other segment of the global population as a whole, yet we are basically ignored and treated like criminals.
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True!!! But the companies always think about the mass market first who are non-tech people who just buy and use the phone as it is..
The issue is warranty! when the phone is being used for development there is always risk of hard brick unless u know what you are doing with the phone. They don't want people messing their devices themselves and claim warranty for it. That is why the bootloaders are locked and flagged if unlocked for development purposes.
Which device did u decide to buy anyway??
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True!!! But the companies always think about the mass market first who are non-tech people who just buy and use the phone as it is..
The issue is warranty! when the phone is being used for development there is always risk of hard brick unless u know what you are doing with the phone. They don't want people messing their devices themselves and claim warranty for it. That is why the bootloaders are locked and flagged if unlocked for development purposes.
Which device did u decide to buy anyway??
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Yeah, that's the reality, but I think there's a situation where companies can say, "Look, here's literally everything you need. All the documentation, sources, drivers, binaries... everything. You can play with your device all you want, but you assume that responsibility if something goes wrong." Then, they ought to make the flashing and modding tools part of the package. Make them robust, and invest in safe flashing systems. Fewer issues as a result.
I don't think it's fair that companies should be made to pay for stupidity, and I accept it as a cost of doing what we all love to do. This is what I thought the "Google Edition" devices were going to be all about, but even there, we still face a situation where so many things aren't provided properly.
I am hunting down a E980. To me, it represents the best value for the money right now. My plan is to use the Loki bootloader exploit, slap CM 10.2 on it and never look back. In fairness, LG's UI is a bit too colorful for my tastes, but it isn't anywhere near as hideous as Samdung's Touchwiz circus clowns on acid abomination.
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I am hunting down a E980.
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Nice! :good:
I'm sure you will have great time with the device.
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My only concern is that I don't know if the 980H is the same as the 980.
The 980H is the Panama version, the ROM from which is a popular flash option for this model in a Stock ROM. I'm actually in Panama, and this is where I'll purchase.
What about the root, recovery options? Should I use the one's for the 980? I don't see any for the H variant.
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I had some thoughts awhile back about the possibility of downgrading to a bootloader unlockable firmware. It's not possible to downgrade to 9.8.1Q-66 for which Dan Rosenberg's BL unlock exploit works because Fastboot won't allow it. However, that got me to thinking. Dan's motopocalypse works by exploiting TrustZone, what if I just downgrade trustzone? Can the exploit work then? That happens to be one of the partitions that Fastboot protects. "Fastboot flash tz tz.mbn" returns an error, something about being unable to downgrade. So I wondered, on a rooted device stuck on 9.8.1Q-94, is the tz partition (/dev/block/mmcblk0p7) writable once the phone has booted? The answer is yes. I was able to write the older tz.mbn file into mmcblk0p7 and used cat to pull it back down and do a binary compare to tz.bin to verify it wrote correctly. However, I learned that doing this makes a hard brick, for which a $50 JTAG repair is required.
Anyway, let's put aside the fact that I'm an idiot that jumps right into things I don't have any clue about. I wondered why this didn't work? Could it have something to do with what Dan wrote here?
If the FORCE_TRUSTED_BOOT QFuse is blown, as is the case on all production Motorola devices, each stage of the boot chain is cryptographically verified to ensure only authorized bootloader stages may be run. In particular, the PBL ("Primary Bootloader"), which resides in mask ROM, verifies the integrity of the SBL1 ("Secondary Bootloader") via a SHA1 hash. Each stage of the boot chain verifies the next stage using RSA signatures, until finally Motorola's APPSBL ("Application Secondary Bootloader"), "MBM", is loaded and run.
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So maybe the reason my phone is hard-bricked after downgrading the tz partition is because each stage of the boot chain is verified. Maybe downgrading the TZ alone is like breaking a link in the chain of trust because the other partitions are seeing one is the wrong version. Is that a likely explanation for my hard brick?
Now my faulty little hamster brain is thinking, what if I'd downgraded ALL partitions in the boot chain of trust using the DD command? Could that have worked and NOT broken the chain of trust? Well, I will definitely NOT try it since I can't afford to brick another RAZR M just on some uneducated random thoughts I had (and nobody else should try this either), but I wanted to throw my thoughts out there for discussion in the hopes of maybe sparking ideas in someone who is a lot smarter about this stuff than I am.
If someone DOES have a JTAG rig and could try it with impunity, here is the partition map I found http://batakang.com/XT907.php. Seems to be accurate for what partitions I did check.
http://www.cricketusers.com/verizon...cricket-talk-text-mms-internet.html#post15335
I thought you had asked about using QPST.....
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I thought you had asked about using QPST.....
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Nah it seems like he is attempting to reverse the BL patch on phone that Took the OTA.
Theoretically it is possible with the right tools and certifications.
Since Motorola Factory can probably Flash anything they want.
But we have no idea how to bypass those blocks after the Patch.
So OP is trying it Brute force flashing everything he can reverse in hope the Fuse Block can be then blown with the exploit.
Yep, Germanese got it right.
I mentioned using qpst in his other thread because I thought he could unbrick the downgraded tz phone with it And possibly downgrade at the same time because in its bricked state it would possibly accept the older firmware...
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Unfortunately, the phone only presents one USB device ID of 05c6:f006. Windows thinks it's an HID Input Device. Not even lucky enough to get a QDL Loader device showing up. Forcing a Qualcomm modem driver to load results in a yellow exclamation that device cannot start. I haven't tried Linux, but it looks like best case scenario on Linux is to possibly be able to load a modem driver, but then flashing would depend on if there is an AT command to flash a firmware.
I'm not so much interested in fixing my old motherboard as my phone is working great with a new motherboard, but I'm hoping a light bulb pops on in someone's head on how we can get old FW on these phones to take advantage of Motopocalypse.
Only other idea I have is if someone could organize a "strongly worded email" campaign to Motorola requesting they allow us to unlock our bootloaders. Slim chance of that working since I think less than half a dozen people would be willing to take the time and it would probably take thousands flooding their inboxes for someone high enough in Motorola to take notice. I doubt non-unlockable bootloaders is a Verizon idea since I was able to unlock the BL on all my HTC VZW phones right from their website.
I believe Motorola needs to get Verizon to allow a release that can bust the bootloader open, and we know how greeding Verizon is.
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I believe Motorola needs to get Verizon to allow a release that can bust the bootloader open, and we know how greeding Verizon is.
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I spoke with a Verizon rep about who makes that call. He told me it was Motorola, that Verizon has nothing to do with whether or not unlocked bootloader is allowed. He might not have known what he was talking about.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Motorola. Otherwise, how come HTC lets you unlock the BL on their Verizon phones?
How come all other similar Motos without Verizon's branding (e.g. Electrify M, RAZR i) let you unlock the BL?
And how come you can unlock Moto X from any carrier, but Verizon?
Still think it's Motorola?
Its the carriers blocking it. Sony xperia til is blocked by Att but every other xperia t model can be. Its just like bloat they control that and BL locks.
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I don't know about that. Look at this chart:
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215/action/auth
You will see that IF there is a Developer Edition available for a higher price, then the lower cost consumer version does NOT have a BL unlock available.
IF there is NO higher priced Dev Ed device available, then the consumer version can be BL unlocked.
It looks to me like whoever profits from the selling of DevEd devices is the one who calls the shots.
I know this is going to sound a bit crude, but has anyone tried calling Motorola and asking if they can unlock the bootloader for us?
I'm tempted to call customer service and just ask them. Warranty voided or not, I'd like to have it unlocked and seeing as how I paid money for this device, I want to use it as I see fit.
I didn't call, but I sent an email and received a slightly better than form-letter response (the last 2 sentences give a little bit of hope).
We apologize for any inconvenience. We completely understand how you wanted to unlock the bootloader of your device but the Droid Razr M does not support this feature. The option to unlock the bootloader is currently available for Droid Razr M developer edition. Please know that we are documenting this concerns and this will be routed to the proper department.Hopefully, we will have the same option for the regular Droid Razr M.
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I doubt you could get a much better response unless you manage to get the ear of someone with a pretty high pay grade at the company.
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I didn't call, but I sent an email and received a slightly better than form-letter response (the last 2 sentences give a little bit of hope).
I doubt you could get a much better response unless you manage to get the ear of someone with a pretty high pay grade at the company.
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I would call bs on their end. The RAZR M regular and dev editions are physically the same phone. Specs are identical. And tell them the boot loader has been unlocked on a previous update as proof of concept. You will have to get through the first few levels of support before you get a real answer.
I'm thinking about pursuing this as well. Keep us updated with what happens
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I would call bs on their end. The RAZR M regular and dev editions are physically the same phone. Specs are identical. And tell them the boot loader has been unlocked on a previous update as proof of concept. You will have to get through the first few levels of support before you get a real answer.
I'm thinking about pursuing this as well. Keep us updated with what happens
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Oh, I'm pretty sure they know it's not a physical difference. It's a political decision. I personally think it's Motorola and not Verizon making the decision, because of the fact they do sell an unlockable Developer Edition for a premium, which works on the Verizon network.
I'm not sure that going from the bottom will get results. I bet this is a decision well above their pay grade. Might have to see if we can find some executive email addresses and start at the top. At least, that's how someone got results with Apple. Supposedly, the reason AT&T started allowing iPhones to be unlocked is because someone sent an email to Tim Cook, or so the story goes. I haven't been able to find any email addresses for any Motorola execs (there is a "Motorola Executive Team" website, but Contact Us goes to a standard web form).
Verizon Wireless has established a standard of excellence in customer experience with our branded devices and customer service. There is an expectation that if a customer has a question, they can call Verizon Wireless for answers that help them maximize their enjoyment and use of their wireless phone. Depending on the device, an open boot loader could prevent Verizon Wireless from providing the same level of customer experience and support because it would allow users to change the phone or otherwise modify the software and, potentially, negatively impact how the phone connects with the network. The addition of unapproved software could also negatively impact the wireless experience for other customers. It is always a delicate balance for any company to manage the technology choices we make for our branded devices and the requests of a few who may want a different device experience. We always review our technology choices to ensure that we provide the best solution for as many customers as possible.
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That's it... That's what Motorola told me... Verizon wants to be able to trouble shoot your device to unsure they can provide the same coverage to all their customers... If we alter our device they won't be able to know if its what we have done to our device or an issue with their service...from Verizon's POV I understand and agree... From ours not so much but that's why Motorola offers the developer editions
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In that case, we need contact info for Verizon execs.
They should, at least, allow BL unlocks for devices that are no longer under contract or warranty and therefore no longer entitled to technical support.
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And what if I'm using the phone on another carrier outside of Verizon?
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Im wanting to upgrade with at&t, and would like to know what the expectation is for an unlocked bootloader or bypass for this device is? Switching carriers isn't an option
I currently have an s5, that I'm ditching. I just can't stand not having a stock Google ROM on it. I'm just trying to get a temperature check before I get into another device.
I know this question isn't easy, but maybe some educated guesses on how long it took for the g2 to get custom recoveries, etc. I could see myself being patient with it for a while, but I'm wanting to port android L sans theming and its hard to justify buying a dated device just to accomplish it. (Even though this is last gen 801)
Hope that make sense, maybe some of you knew something going into the purchase that reassured you. Sweeping generalizations are welcome, seriously I haven't been following much with the brand and I understand att is the worst of the carriers in this regard.
Please don't mark me as an impatient type, just trying to make am informed decision, and I certainly won't nag the devs to death, I've seen the donation thread, eek.
Thanks.
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Im wanting to upgrade with at&t, and would like to know what the expectation is for an unlocked bootloader or bypass for this device is? Switching carriers isn't an option
I currently have an s5, that I'm ditching. I just can't stand not having a stock Google ROM on it. I'm just trying to get a temperature check before I get into another device.
I know this question isn't easy, but maybe some educated guesses on how long it took for the g2 to get custom recoveries, etc. I could see myself being patient with it for a while, but I'm wanting to port android L sans theming and its hard to justify buying a dated device just to accomplish it. (Even though this is last gen 801)
Hope that make sense, maybe some of you knew something going into the purchase that reassured you. Sweeping generalizations are welcome, seriously I haven't been following much with the brand and I understand att is the worst of the carriers in this regard.
Please don't mark me as an impatient type, just trying to make am informed decision, and I certainly won't nag the devs to death, I've seen the donation thread, eek.
Thanks.
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This device is not as popular as the S5 is, there will probably less involvement from the Developer community, although this is a game changer for LG. I love the phone, Root was fast because of the S5, but a bootloader unlock may be a few months down the road. There really is no definitive answer yet, if you want pure Google I would look at Nexus devices verus this one. Verizon is annoying with locking down the bootloader because T-Mobile still doesn't do it, The T-Mobile variant is already unlocked with TWRP
Thanks, I ended up going with the one m8, since its been opened up for at&t already, and the gpe version is out. Best buy had an awesome deal on the g3, but I ended up paying a little more for the m8 to have that open flashing ability at the cost of certain lg hardware awesomeness.
I had a hard time with the width of the lg, which also influenced the decision a little, since Id likely drop the m8 less, and I don't do bumpers, just the t-glass over the screen, plus the free replacement screen for 6 mos, is hard to beat.
Thanks, I'm sure I'll be back to the lg at some point, darn at&t should at least offer a bootloader unlock to those who own the devices. T-Mobile is definitely getting a second look right now...
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As many, I am quite astonished by the G4's lack of development (not to insult the awesome devs having allready crafted some nice roms/tweaks or the one working on it (Awaiting CM12 patiently ).
With solutions like flashfire, the fact we can root, have Xposed etc... without bootloader unlocking, why doesn't LG just open up ? It worked great for Motorola, the nexus line is beloved for just having the cleanest possible android and quick updates.
LG's UI isn't really as loved as Sense or Touchwiz (even if in my mind nothing beats stock, sprinkled with some goodies à la motorola).
I just wish an LG dev/executive/t-shirt seller reads this and thinks : Hey, why don't we open the bootloader ? It doesn't change anything for us, as people can already. flash what the want. Hey, why don't we give our customers the choice to use an aosp build next to our UI, so everybody can have it the way they want ?
Wouldn't this be an easy way to get some sells and a distinguishing factor in this hard market ?
Just my little late night rant, but this seems to obvious to still not be a norml situation (well Motorola got it... thanks Google for that)...
LG having made now 3 Nexii could really have learnt something... I might still buy their phones, but it could be a much more obvious choice if openness had a bigger place in their mind.
Any opinions or ideas on how to change this ? Change.org ? A sitting in front of their offices ?
Have a great time guys
The nexus 5, and now the new small one, are both by LG and have unlocked bootloaders. Bootloaders aren't locked by LG, its by carrier. The internation verison, and Tmobile have unlocked ones, and you can flash stock roms on sprint devices...
Also, the percentage of people who root is very low in terms of all the people who buy the phone.
Example: At the store I work at, we sold over 100 G4's since its been out. Maybe like 6 of those people will root if even that.
Some variants (815 international non EU) are controlled by LG. However, I wouldn't say they don't care about their customers. Honestly, how many people with an android phone root their phones? How many of them care about bootloaders? Sure if looking only at XDA people, it would be over 80% but in real life random sampling with a large population I'd say it's below 2-3% easily. Out of everyone I know with Iphones/Nexuses/Samsungs/LGs I can, honestly, only say maybe 2-3 of them jailbreak of root/want an unlocked bootloader.
So yeah, overall sales would not improve at all by advertising an unlocked bootloader, especially once you factor in that your warranty is null and void once you unlock it.
I wish all OEM's would release an unlocked version with unlockable boatloaders and faster updates and sell them on their website for full price. Not sure why it has to be carrier or nothing in the states.
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I wish all OEM's would release an unlocked version with unlockable boatloaders and faster updates and sell them on their website for full price. Not sure why it has to be carrier or nothing in the states.
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That is ideal, but when there are different markets all over the world, it's too complicated and potentially costly to implement compared to the potential sales.
People that unlock/root/flash phones as a hobby is quite a small percentage of their customer base, why would they cater to you? Plus, H811 has unlocked bootloader
I meant unlocked bootloader but without the warranty loss. XDA has some million members, even 50% of that could be interesting (look at the oneplus one, it is not the selling feature, just a nice plus argument).
They could save money by not trying to lock the phone up so much and it would be interesting to some... As we all know that flashing can't simply wrong your phone (especially if it is designed to be flashed).
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Bootloaders aren't locked by LG, its by carrier.
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That's not at all true. it's LG that is locking the bootloader, nothing to do with the carriers.
because the bl is locked,and the developer can't develop the customer rom ,including based o stock.:crying:
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I meant unlocked bootloader but without the warranty loss. XDA has some million members, even 50% of that could be interesting (look at the oneplus one, it is not the selling feature, just a nice plus argument).
They could save money by not trying to lock the phone up so much and it would be interesting to some... As we all know that flashing can't simply wrong your phone (especially if it is designed to be flashed).
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Over 99% of LG customers do not even know what rooting is, nor "flashing a ROM". Locked bootloaders are a manufacturer's choice for security concerns....Manufacturers like Samsung leave the choice in the carriers' hands....it is not directed at this community to prevent flashing AOSP ROMs.....it is an attempt to keep malicious hackers out of the phone...LG could care less about that...it is just collateral damage. So as far as LG's "customers" are concerned there would be no noticeable increase in sales by supplying an unlock.
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That's not at all true. it's LG that is locking the bootloader, nothing to do with the carriers.
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When I had Samsung it was most differently carrier. Att was the only one who had blocked bootloaders and it was the carrier choice. Why then would lg just allow T-Mobile G4s to be unlocked? It didn't make sense to only allow two out their models if carriers have nothing to do with it.
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I meant unlocked bootloader but without the warranty loss. XDA has some million members, even 50% of that could be interesting (look at the oneplus one, it is not the selling feature, just a nice plus argument).
They could save money by not trying to lock the phone up so much and it would be interesting to some... As we all know that flashing can't simply wrong your phone (especially if it is designed to be flashed).
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It's never going to happen. FWIW if you unlock the oneplus one's bootloader, the warranty is void as well. You can brick your phone if you don't know what you are doing with an unlocked bootloader. This is why they do not come unlocked standard, and if you choose to unlock you lose warranty.
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It's never going to happen. FWIW if you unlock the oneplus one's bootloader, the warranty is void as well. You can brick your phone if you don't know what you are doing with an unlocked bootloader. This is why they do not come unlocked standard, and if you choose to unlock you lose warranty.
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Well... Not really...
https://oneplus.net/de/support/answer/will-rooting-or-unlocking-the-bootloader-void-my-warranty
Of course you can make dumb stuff... But people knowing nothing and wanting to root at all price will always try, so isn't it better if there is a simple and easy solution at hand ?
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Well... Not really...
https://oneplus.net/de/support/answer/will-rooting-or-unlocking-the-bootloader-void-my-warranty
Of course you can make dumb stuff... But people knowing nothing and wanting to root at all price will always try, so isn't it better if there is a simple and easy solution at hand ?
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That's if you buy it directly from oneplus, however, you have an A0001 model, which is the Chinese-market version bought by a grey-market seller, who will probably consider any warranty void if the bootloader is unlocked. Even Google Nexus' phones have their warranty void when the bootloader is unlocked, and the Nexus phones were initially designed to be phones for developers to develop on.
I suspect the reason why many companies do not allow bootloaders to be unlocked easily is because there is no real benefit to them having it easily unlocked. In fact, having it easily unlocked (even with having the warranty void) could actually be an issue. This is because they then have less control over what software is actually running on their phones. Say someone installs an aftermarket rom, which is in beta, then someone who doesn't really doesn't have the XDA know-how uses it, they might find it unstable, laggy, crappy etc...and attribute it to the brand, and will tell others to avoid that brand. Then there is the problem of people who unlocked the bootloaders, who attempt to still try to send in their phone for warranty purposes when they broke it, or claim they didn't know their warranty would be void, this costs money still to check the phone determine that the boolader was unlocked. Then there may be some malicious people who convince their 'friends' to unlock their bootloaders, and install some virus, or spying software, and that could be blamed on the OEM by the person who doesn't know any better. IMO it could easily be considered an unacceptable risk to allow bootloaders to be easily unlocked compared to any benefit gained.
So except for appeasing the very small niche market that XDA caters to, which isn't really much of a benefit at all, there is more risk than it's worth to making bootloaders easily unlocked.
The only reason Oneplus could get away with that was because they didn't sell lots of phones (directly), they had a controlled invite system, and really most of the people who were even aware of oneplus' existence tended to be more of the type of people you'd find on XDA anyways. Even then, their customer service, even buying direct from Oneplus has been pretty shoddy.
Do you want my receipt form OnePlus ?
Or maybe the RMA Receipt of the last A0001 ?
Do you want my RMA receipt from the Bootloader unlocked/ custom kernel / custom recovery and whatever Nexus 5 I sent them ?
(and just FYI before you continue telling some random stuff... you can relock the Oneplus One/Nexus phons and there is no flag triggered (atleast not a known one...). Please do some research and just stop).
And you contradict yourself. You speak of a little niche, then talking about Oneplus targeting directly "Xda-memberish people" you know they sold some hundred-thousands of phone right ? So if my company could sell like even just 100.000 phones more (or even 50.000) just by making myselfs and the user's life easier why not do it ?
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Do you want my receipt form OnePlus ?
Or maybe the RMA Receipt of the last A0001 ?
Do you want my RMA receipt from the Bootloader unlocked/ custom kernel / custom recovery and whatever Nexus 5 I sent them ?
(and just FYI before you continue telling some random stuff... you can relock the Oneplus One/Nexus phons and there is no flag triggered (atleast not a known one...). Please do some research and just stop).
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If you're in Europe you WILL get your warranty denied if you send in a device with altered software unless you can prove that the issue is not caused by the altered software. If you somehow managed to get a device repair under warranty it's either luck, an untrained chain of service workers or a very trained chain of service employees that understood that your issue was not caused by the altered system state.
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And you contradict yourself. You speak of a little niche, then talking about Oneplus targeting directly "Xda-memberish people" you know they sold some hundred-thousands of phone right ? So if my company could sell like even just 100.000 phones more (or even 50.000) just by making myselfs and the user's life easier why not do it ?
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Because these numbers are insignificant for Samsung, LG, Motorola or whatever brand you want. Heck even for HTC they are. The extra effort would cost more in labor than those 100k device's turn over (yes, turn over, not even profit!).
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If you're in Europe you WILL get your warranty denied if you send in a device with altered software unless you can prove that the issue is not caused by the altered software. If you somehow managed to get a device repair under warranty it's either luck, an untrained chain of service workers or a very trained chain of service employees that understood that your issue was not caused by the altered system state.
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I am in Europe, I even discussed it with them... there really isn't a problem with it as long as you can clearly explain what you did and how it can't affect. You just need to know what you are doing... but same goes for kids and knifes... Overprotecting just brings a bigger mess at a later moment.
Because these numbers are insignificant for Samsung, LG, Motorola or whatever brand you want. Heck even for HTC they are. The extra effort would cost more in labor than those 100k device's turn over (yes, turn over, not even profit!).[/QUOTE]
Isn't it more wok for them to find new protective measures than just letting it open ?
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Isn't it more wok for them to find new protective measures than just letting it open ?
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Yes, it is more expensive at first, but cheaper in the long run.
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Do you want my receipt form OnePlus ?
Or maybe the RMA Receipt of the last A0001 ?
Do you want my RMA receipt from the Bootloader unlocked/ custom kernel / custom recovery and whatever Nexus 5 I sent them ?
(and just FYI before you continue telling some random stuff... you can relock the Oneplus One/Nexus phons and there is no flag triggered (atleast not a known one...). Please do some research and just stop).
And you contradict yourself. You speak of a little niche, then talking about Oneplus targeting directly "Xda-memberish people" you know they sold some hundred-thousands of phone right ? So if my company could sell like even just 100.000 phones more (or even 50.000) just by making myselfs and the user's life easier why not do it ?
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I did not know about the unlock flags not being triggered, that is my mistake. However, I did not contradict myself. OnePlus sells very few phones, and do not have mass appeal, and they targeted a specific group. This group is so insignificant, that large companies like Apple, Samsung, LG , Sony, HTC etc can really ignore them without much issue. I own an oneplus one. You may have had good luck with RMAing, but I know plenty that have had issues. Personally, I wouldn't buy another OnePlus phone for at least a couple generations.
The issue here is that you have not come up with a convincing argument to why bootloaders should be easily unlocked, and how that would lead to a significant market share increase for these companies, and that this larger market share would offset any costs and risk they inherit due to having an easily unlocked bootloader. I do not have the numbers, but, if you would like to convince these companies to do so, the onus would be on you to prove to these companies that it's worth their time.
Here is an example of why easily unlocked bootloaders can lead to bad experiences: Malware at the system level (not just installed, but intergrated into the system)
https://medium.com/@tuesdev/as-many...hs-to-receive-a-oneplus-2-invite-ba20ac8606ae
Although not specifically stated, without the unlocked bootloader this process would be far more difficult. Lucky the writer of the article knows it isn't Oneplus to blame...