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[Q] Which Sprint & Sense apps can I remove without borking my phone?

I want to remove the following from my phone;
Footprints,
Friendstream,
Teeter,
Stocks,
Peep,
HTC Mobile Guide,
News & Weather,
Weather
But when I go in through TB to uninstall I get a message saying that these are system packages and uninstalling them can trash things.
What effect will this really have my phone? Do I need any of them? I don't think I've ever used any of them, and don't think I will, although I do have facebook synced, and I use Beautiful Widgets for weather.

I used Titanium Backup to remove all of the aforementioned programs plus the Mobile NFL app. I would not touch anything related to the weather though since I have no idea what effect that would have on the rest of the system because I have not tried it myself.
One thing I can definitely tell you not to remove is anything and I mean ANYTHING related to Google Talk. I can tell you from experience how badly removing Talk can f'up your phone. The Market, as well other major apps and functions somehow all seem to be tied in with it for what reason I do not know (wtf Google?!).
You will lose Market if you remove Talk!
That said, before you remove anything, I suggest you back it up. TB will even allow you to "Freeze" an app before removing it to see what effect the removal will have.
Best of luck removing the bloatware!

bludragon742 said:
I used Titanium Backup to remove all of the aforementioned programs plus the Mobile NFL app. I would not touch anything related to the weather though since I have no idea what effect that would have on the rest of the system because I have not tried it myself.
One thing I can definitely tell you not to remove is anything and I mean ANYTHING related to Google Talk. I can tell you from experience how badly removing Talk can f'up your phone. The Market, as well other major apps and functions somehow all seem to be tied in with it for what reason I do not know (wtf Google?!).
You will lose Market if you remove Talk!
That said, before you remove anything, I suggest you back it up. TB will even allow you to "Freeze" an app before removing it to see what effect the removal will have.
Best of luck removing the bloatware!
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I'm curious what kinds of ill effects you saw from removing Talk? I wonder if HTC may have changed the integration of Talk within froyo, as I have seen no ill effects from removing talk. Maybe there is some kind of heinous error I am overlooking?

bludragon742 said:
I used Titanium Backup to remove all of the aforementioned programs plus the Mobile NFL app. I would not touch anything related to the weather though since I have no idea what effect that would have on the rest of the system because I have not tried it myself.
One thing I can definitely tell you not to remove is anything and I mean ANYTHING related to Google Talk. I can tell you from experience how badly removing Talk can f'up your phone. The Market, as well other major apps and functions somehow all seem to be tied in with it for what reason I do not know (wtf Google?!).
You will lose Market if you remove Talk!
That said, before you remove anything, I suggest you back it up. TB will even allow you to "Freeze" an app before removing it to see what effect the removal will have.
Best of luck removing the bloatware!
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thanks for the input - I'm trying to nail down an app that seems to be draining my battery, and I don't know what it is.

HTC/Google may well have changed the integration in FroYo but I know in Eclair everything was tied in with it. I'm going to freeze it and see what happens.
Edit: It appears the GTalk provider that was heavily integrated into previous versions of Android is no longer included in FroYo making it possible to safely remove the Talk app. Woo-hoo!
nukedukem said:
I'm curious what kinds of ill effects you saw from removing Talk? I wonder if HTC may have changed the integration of Talk within froyo, as I have seen no ill effects from removing talk. Maybe there is some kind of heinous error I am overlooking?
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I rooted my phone and kept the stock Eclair for about 2 weeks, till I had the time to check out the roms. I removed all of those AND GOOGLE TALK immediately after rooting. I never received the 1st error/problem from uninstalling Talk. If I remember correctly, there were 2 Talk items(service and storage...I think) that I removed. If you only removed 1, maybe that's where there errors were coming from.
I also removed it in a stock Froyo with no negative effects.
EDIT: Didn't remove the weather though. I left that on.

When I was on stock Eclair I removed both the service provider and the app which caused the Market and other system apps to stop working. How many times do I have to repeat myself? Look it up, it is a common issue!

When I was on stock Eclair I removed both the service provider and the app which caused ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop working. The Market and other system apps WORKED PERFECTLY FINE. How many times do I have to repeat myself? I don't need to look it up, it was not an issue for me!......as it may not be for some others......

Whoooa there seems to be some blue-dispute going on in here! My money's on the dragon cause a dragon would take a beast any day. J/K guys...
Seriously though, OP you can remove all the ones you've listed safely except the last two weather and news/weather. I don't know how your phone would react because I've never removed those. You could make a custom rom yourself based off one of the stock roms and remove everything you think you want gone and then nandroid your current rom and flash the experimental and see what shakes loose. Just an idea.

Google Account integration GO AWAY !!!

Hi all,
I am a conservative phone user.
What does that mean ?
It means that I want to do something, without it affecting everything else.
For instance: I want to have my emails on my ANDROID.
NO, I dont want my Google contacts in my contact list ... and ...
NO, I dont want to view Youtube videos constantly being logged into my Google account.
I want a perfectly "disintegrated" phone. Where one app doesnt affect all the others.
Also - I hate FACEBOOK, TWITTER and all the other SOCIAL SPY MEDIA out there.
I dont want them on my phone.
NO, I dont want to deactivate them
NO, I dont want to del the icon, just for the program to stay still.
I WANT THEM DEAD AND GONE
And YOU can hopefully tell me HOW TO accomplish these two things... Please

For the google account I don't know, but about the other app you can try to freeze them with titanium backup.

tomthemd said:
Hi all,
I am a conservative phone user.
What does that mean ?
It means that I want to do something, without it affecting everything else.
For instance: I want to have my emails on my ANDROID.
NO, I dont want my Google contacts in my contact list ... and ...
NO, I dont want to view Youtube videos constantly being logged into my Google account.
I want a perfectly "disintegrated" phone. Where one app doesnt affect all the others.
Also - I hate FACEBOOK, TWITTER and all the other SOCIAL SPY MEDIA out there.
I dont want them on my phone.
NO, I dont want to deactivate them
NO, I dont want to del the icon, just for the program to stay still.
I WANT THEM DEAD AND GONE
And YOU can hopefully tell me HOW TO accomplish these two things... Please
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Best way is to create a new gmail email address for your android mobile.
that email address would be anonymous.

Needs 2 GO
Thank You for the replies so far.
I would like to use my normal mail addresses.
The reason behind me disliking the current state is:
Google takes over the whole device. It literally takes a dump over all the phones functions.
I dont want that.
When I log in to my mailaccount, I want to do mails ... and not being logged into all google apps on the phone.
(and into the internet google stuff as well)
Now its with facebook and twitter that I dont want it to track, record and analyze my every move.
(Thats why it needs to go)

tomthemd said:
Thank You for the replies so far.
I would like to use my normal mail addresses.
The reason behind me disliking the current state is:
Google takes over the whole device. It literally takes a dump over all the phones functions.
I dont want that.
When I log in to my mailaccount, I want to do mails ... and not being logged into all google apps on the phone.
(and into the internet google stuff as well)
Now its with facebook and twitter that I dont want it to track, record and analyze my every move.
(Thats why it needs to go)
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What you want is not very easy to achieve.
If you are rooted, I guess it is much easier. the customisation can go deeper.
Steps (in my opinion):
1. At first run of the phone, don't log with google account! don't check any service related to google (keep my phone backed up with google account, for example).
2. before doing anything else, disable the apps you don't need. If you are root you can even uninstall them with some apk (as you are not logged to google, you can not use market, so the app should be saved on sd card before - via backup or whatever).
3. also disable the gapps you don't want (gtalk, etc).
4. remove the settings about the location. activate the mock location in developer section of settings.
5. log to your google account. immediately after, go to accounts and sync and:
a. disable sync (so that no google contacts are synced)
b. go to the settings of the account and uncheck everything that you don't want to be synced. i think you can do only this step, but it is your choice.
6. if you are root, you can install a program to further control the behavior of the apps. it is a personal option, there are multiple choices.
7. make a reboot. your phone should be free (or close) of any google 'integration'. any apps that you don't want to run should not run (twitter, fb, etc).
if I have skipped anything, anyone can update the steps.

Get an iPhone or WP

You can selectively sign out of all those apps. YouTube has the option. In Settings>Accounts & Sync uncheck everything you don't want to sync with Google. It's all there, you just have to set it up the way you want. You aren't being forced to are services you don't want to. The only things that need a Google account to work are Play Store and Gmail, for obvious reasons. Even Google Maps won't log you in automatically unless you open Latitude. YouTube signs you in but you can sign out. If you're using any version of Sense or AOSP GB, even the contacts app allows you to store contacts in phone only without syncing to Google. And it won't restore your Google contacts if you uncheck it in settings. In ICS, yes, the People app requires a Google account and can't store local contacts, but if it's THAT big an issue for you, just use a third party dialer like exDialer which has that functionality.
If you want a complete Google-free Android experience, flash CyanogenMod and don't flash Gapps after. You'll have a fully working Android phone minus Google. This also means you won't have Play Store and will have to sideload any apps you want, but that's your caveat.
And about getting rid of apps like Facebook and Twitter (which since you're unable to do, I presume you're running the stock HTC Sense firmware), read around and learn how to root your phone, and then delete the apks for those apps from /system/app. You can unroot after rooting, if that's an issue for you too.
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sashank said:
You can selectively sign out of all those apps. YouTube has the option. In Settings>Accounts & Sync uncheck everything you don't want to sync with Google. It's all there, you just have to set it up the way you want. You aren't being forced to are services you don't want to. The only things that need a Google account to work are Play Store and Gmail, for obvious reasons. Even Google Maps won't log you in automatically unless you open Latitude. YouTube signs you in but you can sign out. If you're using any version of Sense or AOSP GB, even the contacts app allows you to store contacts in phone only without syncing to Google. And it won't restore your Google contacts if you uncheck it in settings. In ICS, yes, the People app requires a Google account and can't store local contacts, but if it's THAT big an issue for you, just use a third party dialer like exDialer which has that functionality.
If you want a complete Google-free Android experience, flash CyanogenMod and don't flash Gapps after. You'll have a fully working Android phone minus Google. This also means you won't have Play Store and will have to sideload any apps you want, but that's your caveat.
And about getting rid of apps like Facebook and Twitter (which since you're unable to do, I presume you're running the stock HTC Sense firmware), read around and learn how to root your phone, and then delete the apks for those apps from /system/app. You can unroot after rooting, if that's an issue for you too.
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You are right with most of the points.
There is only one comment from my side: he does not need to root it. the applications can be disabled without root. the only drawback is the fact that the apps are still there, but they will never start....

Correct. He can do that too. But his issue was that he wants to get rid of them completely.
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tomthemd said:
Hi all,
I am a conservative phone user.
What does that mean ?
It means that I want to do something, without it affecting everything else.
For instance: I want to have my emails on my ANDROID.
NO, I dont want my Google contacts in my contact list ... and ...
NO, I dont want to view Youtube videos constantly being logged into my Google account.
I want a perfectly "disintegrated" phone. Where one app doesnt affect all the others.
Also - I hate FACEBOOK, TWITTER and all the other SOCIAL SPY MEDIA out there.
I dont want them on my phone.
NO, I dont want to deactivate them
NO, I dont want to del the icon, just for the program to stay still.
I WANT THEM DEAD AND GONE
And YOU can hopefully tell me HOW TO accomplish these two things... Please
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Lol, I know what you mean!
You might like LBE privacy guard if you are rooted. It let's you decide which apps can access internet, GPS location, phone id etc.
I also use mybackup pro to freeze a lot of the preinstalled junk that runs in the background. If you are freezing system apps take a nandroid backup first just incase you freeze something that you shouldn't!

There are some apps, which you wont be able to disintegrate without causing something else to crash.
Best way in my books is not to sign in using google under accounts, instead use email app to configure imap gmail.
Or even better, learn how to cook, and make a barebone ROM...maybe you can share it with us if you do get a ROM like that...

okty2k said:
You are right with most of the points.
There is only one comment from my side: he does not need to root it. the applications can be disabled without root. the only drawback is the fact that the apps are still there, but they will never start....
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Imo rooting is the only clean way to remove apps. Using an app to freeze apps causes a layer of crap running that will only hinder performance and potentially cause issues. What he wants is a non associated device. So I agree with rooting and then installing Aosp without gapps. Rooting is so easy anyways you might as well if you want that level of customization.
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Gizmoe said:
Imo rooting is the only clean way to remove apps. Using an app to freeze apps causes a layer of crap running that will only hinder performance and potentially cause issues. What he wants is a non associated device. So I agree with rooting and then installing Aosp without gapps. Rooting is so easy anyways you might as well if you want that level of customization.
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You can't freeze apps without root anyway. Freezing apps does not hinder performance unless you freeze something you shouldn't. There are performance benefits to be had by freezing junk that persistently runs in the background as long as you are careful what you freeze.

hans moleman said:
You can't freeze apps without root anyway. Freezing apps does not hinder performance unless you freeze something you shouldn't. There are performance benefits to be had by freezing junk that persistently runs in the background as long as you are careful what you freeze.
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Really? I thought some apps could do it without root, but I have never personally tried it, so you are right I'm sure, and it makes sense. I suppose I see the benefit of freezing too I just would rather remove things all together. Seems cleaner to me.
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hans moleman said:
You can't freeze apps without root anyway. Freezing apps does not hinder performance unless you freeze something you shouldn't. There are performance benefits to be had by freezing junk that persistently runs in the background as long as you are careful what you freeze.
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You can disable the app (without root). That way it will never start....

Help with apps I can/should disable to free up memory?

Since this is my first android smartphone, I'm trying to figure out what background apps I can disable to keep my Note 2 running to the best of its abilities.
I've already disabled S-Voice and turned off its double-tap home button feature. I've disabled most of the obvious AT&T-branded apps as well.
However some apps are running on my device that I'm unsure whether or not they can be disabled:
Media Hub
AllShare Service
Samsung Push Service
S Suggest
AvrcpServiceSamsung
Media
MAPServiceSamsung
GlanceViewMk
SecPhone
Also, it looks like Maps is running at times when I haven't even launched the app. Should I just not worry about that?

UCLAKoolman said:
Since this is my first android smartphone, I'm trying to figure out what background apps I can disable to keep my Note 2 running to the best of its abilities.
I've already disabled S-Voice and turned off its double-tap home button feature. I've disabled most of the obvious AT&T-branded apps as well.
However some apps are running on my device that I'm unsure whether or not they can be disabled:
Media Hub
AllShare Service
Samsung Push Service
S Suggest
AvrcpServiceSamsung
Media
MAPServiceSamsung
GlanceViewMk
SecPhone
Also, it looks like Maps is running at times when I haven't even launched the app. Should I just not worry about that?
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The Note 2 is a beast and can seemingly handle anything I've thrown at it. I don't think S-Voice runs in the background as an active process so there's no reason to disable that unless you just won't ever use it. Most of the other apps you listed are system apps and can't be removed/disabled without rooting the phone first. If you want superior performance and battery life, you should consider rooting and flashing the latest CleanROM. The developer of CleanROM removed all of the unnecessary bloat that AT&T and Samsung installed and did some tweaks in the background to improve efficiency. You can check it out here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986893
As far as maps running when you haven't launched it, it should do that if you have location services turned on for the phone and/or other apps.

More lag AFTER rooting and debloating?

This may be purely placebo... But I swear that after I rooted and got rid of a bunch of bloat last night that I am seeing more lag than ever. Seems sometimes it take longer for the tablet to wake. Ill press something and there will be a delay etc... Is there a possibility that something I did is causing a service to use more resources?
Apps I froze with ROM Toolbox:
ANT HAL
ANT Radio ANT+ Plugins
Blurb Checkout
Businessweek
Chaton
com.sec.enterprise.knox.attestation
com.sec.know.eventsmanager
Flipboard
Help
KLMS Agent
Knox 1.0
Knox 1.0
Knox Notification Manager
Knox Store
My Magazine
My Magazine - here and now
NYTimes
Phone
Polaris office
S Translator
Samsung Link
Samsung Push service
Samsung WatchOn
Screensaver
Story Album
Syscope
TripAdvisor
World Clock
Yahoo Finance
Is there anything else I should remove that would help?
Also, I can't use Sumsung Hub Video's, the existing videos I have won't play.
The only other Mods I have done are Multi-window manager, Wanam Xposed, Pen Window mamanger and trying out GMD Gestures.
Watching the Task Manager, it seems like I am using way more memeory than I ever used to. Before I would harldy go over 2GB now I easily see 2.3-2.5GB.
Please let me know if you have suggestions.
Thanks!

alias747 said:
This may be purely placebo... But I swear that after I rooted and got rid of a bunch of bloat last night that I am seeing more lag than ever. Seems sometimes it take longer for the tablet to wake. Ill press something and there will be a delay etc... Is there a possibility that something I did is causing a service to use more resources?
Apps I froze with ROM Toolbox:
ANT HAL
ANT Radio ANT+ Plugins
Blurb Checkout
Businessweek
Chaton
com.sec.enterprise.knox.attestation
com.sec.know.eventsmanager
Flipboard
Help
KLMS Agent
Knox 1.0
Knox 1.0
Knox Notification Manager
Knox Store
My Magazine
My Magazine - here and now
NYTimes
Phone
Polaris office
S Translator
Samsung Link
Samsung Push service
Samsung WatchOn
Screensaver
Story Album
Syscope
TripAdvisor
World Clock
Yahoo Finance
Is there anything else I should remove that would help?
Also, I can't use Sumsung Hub Video's, the existing videos I have won't play.
The only other Mods I have done are Multi-window manager, Wanam Xposed, Pen Window mamanger and trying out GMD Gestures.
Watching the Task Manager, it seems like I am using way more memeory than I ever used to. Before I would harldy go over 2GB now I easily see 2.3-2.5GB.
Please let me know if you have suggestions.
Thanks!
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You may want to get betterbatterystats to see what services are keeping the tab running. Also, use Greenify to control the apps you don't want to autostart or keep running after you have gone back to homescreen. I haven't rooted mine yet, but thats what I use on my other tablets and phones. You could also try clearing cache and dalvik cache, and maybe doing fix permissions. But I again not sure if it will work out.

I get no lag whatsoever and im not rooted as I don't Like what Samsung has done with the knox security, the thing that has made the biggest difference for me is replacing the TW launcher with Nova Prime, I don't think the bloat ware makes such a big difference to this as it has such a large amount of ram, it's pretty hard to slow it down now
If I could now sort out the massive battery drain I'd be extremely happy with my purchase
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Every time I have a lag, it's either bad file or bad app. I use System Panel in these cases to identify the problem. Last week my tablet was slow and hot all the time. For some reason Beautiful Widgets was using 100% of CPU for hours. Another example is a bad file (pdf or epub), search index was running non - stop until I found the problem.

ddavtian said:
Every time I have a lag, it's either bad file or bad app. I use System Panel in these cases to identify the problem. Last week my tablet was slow and hot all the time. For some reason Beautiful Widgets was using 100% of CPU for hours. Another example is a bad file (pdf or epub), search index was running non - stop until I found the problem.
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OK cool I will check out System Panel. I did notice that I think GMD Gestures was causing some slowness. As much as I liked the program I uninstalled it. There was some weird bugs with it and a lot of times it would interfere with other things with the note, like disabling the palm rejection for writing and stuff.
If you are rooted, is there a good way to disable the indexing services?

I'm not sure, but i see smooth after root and remove bloat app. Did you set live wallpaper? Some live wall not optimizer make lag when use.

I had beautiful widgets pro installed while rooted and the device headed up like crazy and lagged. Could be app related
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chanhny said:
I'm not sure, but i see smooth after root and remove bloat app. Did you set live wallpaper? Some live wall not optimizer make lag when use.
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No live wallpaper, I hate them, resource HOG.
Maybe I am just being overly picky with how I think the tablet should run. I just think that at this point in the game of Android development and the crazy hardware specs that are being crammed into these devices now, that everything should run super smooth with no stutters or hitches. It's just disappointing to me that I have to hack and mod my device this much just to make it even just marginally better... Why can't this stuff be better optimized??!!!!

alias747 said:
If you are rooted, is there a good way to disable the indexing services?
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You can disable it by going to /system/app, and renaming, or deleting "ContentSearch.apk". But, if you do, your tablet will no longer index files that you add or change. For example, if you add a video, movie, or music, to the internal or external storage, the tablet won't know anything has changed, and won't be able to find the added file.
I would advise against disabling the index service. A better option would be to find the file that's causing your issue. This may help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483944
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[Q] Removing Google Apps & Default Apps

I'm just wondering if removing some of the default that come pre installed google apps like gmail, playbook, play games ...or even the default calendar apps is going have any impact on the perfomance on the whole phone system or even the battery life.
It's kinda irritating to see apps that's in the app drawer that i dont use....plan to uninstall them off with titanium backup

eijnaix said:
I'm just wondering if removing some of the default that come pre installed google apps like gmail, playbook, play games ...or even the default calendar apps is going have any impact on the perfomance on the whole phone system or even the battery life.
It's kinda irritating to see apps that's in the app drawer that i dont use....plan to uninstall them off with titanium backup
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if they aren't running and never run (in the foreground or background) they won't impact battery life. if they are running you could stop them or freeze them with titanium. the only other difference they make is cluttering up the app drawer and taking up space in the storage.

BlueC78 said:
if they aren't running and never run (in the foreground or background) they won't impact battery life. if they are running you could stop them or freeze them with titanium. the only other difference they make is cluttering up the app drawer and taking up space in the storage.
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thanks for the info, but removing them would be a better ...yeah ?

eijnaix said:
thanks for the info, but removing them would be a better ...yeah ?
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Removing them, if you never use them won't make any difference at all, you might as well use the "hide" feature in the app drawer.
Removing some LG apps might make a difference, as some of them run even if you never actually use them, but the google apps will only run if you actually open them.
On a side note, I never understand why people buy android phones (especially top of the line, flagship phones!) and then remove almost every trace of Google from them, isn't it kind of defeating the whole point?

Lennyuk said:
Removing them, if you never use them won't make any difference at all, you might as well use the "hide" feature in the app drawer.
Removing some LG apps might make a difference, as some of them run even if you never actually use them, but the google apps will only run if you actually open them.
On a side note, I never understand why people buy android phones (especially top of the line, flagship phones!) and then remove almost every trace of Google from them, isn't it kind of defeating the whole point?
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I uses dropbox over google drive......dont need google music or play bookstore... but uses youtube, map a lot though
I don't suppose android is just about google...isnt it ?

Lennyuk said:
On a side note, I never understand why people buy android phones (especially top of the line, flagship phones!) and then remove almost every trace of Google from them, isn't it kind of defeating the whole point?
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That's the beauty of Android over iOS: you don't HAVE to use Google apps if you don't want to. Being able to uninstall any app should come by default on all ROMs.
I remember the big trial Microsoft has lost when it tried to force all users to use Internet Explorer in Windows. In Europe, they had to add it optionally, and provide way to remove it / download alternative software. Something similar might force Google to do the same in the future (and Apple, LG, Samsung, HTC, etc.)

As far as removing unnecessary core system apps, I've always used Root App Delete with no issues. It does require root but works perfectly to remove any unnecessary apps you don't want. Once I receive my G3 I plan on immediately rooting the phone and using Root App Delete to get rid of any bloat I don't want.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=zsj.android.systemappremover&hl=en

eijnaix said:
I uses dropbox over google drive......dont need google music or play bookstore... but uses youtube, map a lot though
I don't suppose android is just about google...isnt it ?
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exactly where is my point too, dropbox, youtube and google maps, well gmail etc, but dont wanna use g music, newstand, search, google plus etc. there should be an option to delete them without root!