Will Galaxy Nexus come with SIM Toolkit? On Galaxy S it was a huge problem that even Gingerbread update did not have SIM Toolkit. This however is a must-have application when using certain pre-paid cards, bank authentications or identification.
Does anyone know if it has it?
So no one knows? Don't people use SIM cards with added functionality?
SIM Toolkit is just another way of the carrier pushing pointless services my way e.g. horoscopes, weather etc all at a cost and not as good as apps you can get in the market. This is my experience in the UK anyway, perhaps its different elsewhere.
In The Netherlands Sim toolkit is obsolete. The services it was used for, are now offered by Google and others. Sim toolkit uses a lot of (internet)data however and that is one of the reasons why many SGS-owners rooted their device, so they could use Titanium Backup to get rid of the Sim toolkit.
chandlerweb said:
SIM Toolkit is just another way of the carrier pushing pointless services my way e.g. horoscopes, weather etc all at a cost and not as good as apps you can get in the market. This is my experience in the UK anyway, perhaps its different elsewhere.
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Perhaps I should enlighten what SIM Toolkit is used for in certain parts of Europe, especially Finland and Estonia. In Finland your pre-paid cards have SIM Toolkit related services, such as checking for balance and data usage without additional costs.
But in Estonia SIM cards can be used effectively as an identification device. That is, your mobile phone can double as your identification that is usable country-wide. You can authorize bank transfers, even do all bank-related activities right through your phone without having to fiddle with websites. It can be used to sign digital documents and authorize yourself for e-voting (Estonia was the first country in the world to effectively introduce internet-based voting for local government). All this uses a special SIM-card for that exact purpose.
SIM Toolkit is very important for those reasons. Just because some carriers blatantly misuse it does not mean it isn't important.
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Perhaps I should enlighten what SIM Toolkit is used for in certain parts of Europe, especially Finland and Estonia. In Finland your pre-paid cards have SIM Toolkit related services, such as checking for balance and data usage without additional costs.
But in Estonia SIM cards can be used effectively as an identification device. That is, your mobile phone can double as your identification that is usable country-wide. You can authorize bank transfers, even do all bank-related activities right through your phone without having to fiddle with websites. It can be used to sign digital documents and authorize yourself for e-voting (Estonia was the first country in the world to effectively introduce internet-based voting for local government). All this uses a special SIM-card for that exact purpose.
SIM Toolkit is very important for those reasons. Just because some carriers blatantly misuse it does not mean it isn't important.
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I'd rather get rid of the SIM completely, unfortunately it only seems Apple is interested in it at the moment, in their own patent pending insanely closed method, and even that is just a hack.
Don't really see the SIM as an important component in the features you're talking about, and especially something like checking your datausage could easily be done using web API's, like Three has done here in Denmark.
It doesn't even have to cost data, though i'm not sure whether or not it does, they simply have to allow traffic to and from that server freely.
Sure I would love a SIM-free future, but I would also love ID card and password-free future and so on. In fact, I would love username-password free future.
But reality today is that SIM Toolkit is useful part of infrastructure in many countries, there were a lot of complaints about it being missing from Nexus S, as many use SIM Toolkit for bank services.
This is why I'm wondering if Galaxy Nexus still has SIM Toolkit. I simply would be unable to use these services otherwise. It's 2011, I should not have to use a desktop computer or mobile browser to do bank transfers and so on.
no there will not and there will never be a sim toolkit on a nexus device.
i actually dont know any country's that do use a simtoolkit.
cheking your data usage?
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bank services.?
App
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App.
no need for a sim toolkit.
and seeing as NFC might be the future.
there even is more reason why sim toolkit is useless.
its indeed 2011.
we shouldn't even be using a sim toolkit.
its a technology thats been laid to rest in allot of country's.
Of course bank services through an app. But app alone is not secure enough. Our bank services run through Android app, but authenticate as an extra layer of security through SIM toolkit so that even if your data is stolen, they cannot access your bank, unless they also clone your SIM.
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Of course bank services through an app. But app alone is not secure enough. Our bank services run through Android app, but authenticate as an extra layer of security through SIM toolkit so that even if your data is stolen, they cannot access your bank, unless they also clone your SIM.
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The SIM just stores your private key. The same effect can be achieved if the phone itself stores your private key. It makes no difference whether it's the SIM or the phone that's used to store the private key, as long as the private key is used in the key exchange to derive a shared key to encrypt the communications between your device and the bank, the same effect is achieved.
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Of course bank services through an app. But app alone is not secure enough. Our bank services run through Android app, but authenticate as an extra layer of security through SIM toolkit so that even if your data is stolen, they cannot access your bank, unless they also clone your SIM.
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i dont know about your bank,but i have to certify my card and pin trug some sort of special card reader.and than note that code onto my phone.and make a pin code to access my bank account.
there is no way anywhere in that process that anyone can steal that data. unless i give the pin away.
ghost010 said:
i dont know about your bank,but i have to certify my card and pin trug some sort of special card reader.and than note that code onto my phone.and make a pin code to access my bank account.
there is no way anywhere in that process that anyone can steal that data. unless i give the pin away.
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Well, in Estonia we have implemented country wide ID Cards. That is, something what UK tried and failed to implement, it works here and is a great success. Our ID cards double as passports and in fact we do not need to carry passports when traveling within EU.
These same ID cards are part of a wider infrastructure. We can sign documents with these ID cards digitally (just as valid as a written signature, for example). These ID cards carry chips that are specially encrypted for that purpose and carry public and private keys for communicating with various online services. Other than digital document signatures (for any kind of document), we also use our ID card to vote on the internet without having to go to voting offices or log into various government services and view/edit private data related to our citizen status.
We can also use these ID cards to log-in to all banks in Estonia. It is more secure than private password codes that are on a separate sheet of paper and is more convenient to the end user. When authenticating it always asks for a separate PIN code, just like with any other card of that type. These ID card chips are nearly impossible to clone, just like SIM cards.
As a result there's an option for Estonians to also make their SIM card in their phone double as identification device. Our bank applications require this on phones, when logging in it sends encrypted information to the phone that can only be unencrypted with information from the SIM card. If successful, it allows you to log in and do bank transfers. This is far more secure than any regular password-sheet methods. It works through your network and has methods to protect from middle-man attacks as well.
However, that relies on SIM Toolkit and would not be possible without it. Also note that regular SIM cards cannot be upgraded to work like that. Government issues new type of SIM cards for that purpose.
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Well, in Estonia we have implemented country wide ID Cards. That is, something what UK tried and failed to implement, it works here and is a great success. Our ID cards double as passports and in fact we do not need to carry passports when traveling within EU.
These same ID cards are part of a wider infrastructure. We can sign documents with these ID cards digitally (just as valid as a written signature, for example). These ID cards carry chips that are specially encrypted for that purpose and carry public and private keys for communicating with various online services. Other than digital document signatures (for any kind of document), we also use our ID card to vote on the internet without having to go to voting offices or log into various government services and view/edit private data related to our citizen status.
We can also use these ID cards to log-in to all banks in Estonia. It is more secure than private password codes that are on a separate sheet of paper and is more convenient to the end user. When authenticating it always asks for a separate PIN code, just like with any other card of that type. These ID card chips are nearly impossible to clone, just like SIM cards.
As a result there's an option for Estonians to also make their SIM card in their phone double as identification device. Our bank applications require this on phones, when logging in it sends encrypted information to the phone that can only be unencrypted with information from the SIM card. If successful, it allows you to log in and do bank transfers. This is far more secure than any regular password-sheet methods. It works through your network and has methods to protect from middle-man attacks as well.
However, that relies on SIM Toolkit and would not be possible without it. Also note that regular SIM cards cannot be upgraded to work like that. Government issues new type of SIM cards for that purpose.
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I know what you mean. At least one bank over here implemented login using something called BankID on SIM which required new sim cards and SIM Toolkit. It used service SMS in the background though and was recently deprecated for a BankID app that starts up in the background and handles the encrypting and decrypting personally issued certs.
I agree that SIM Toolkit should be included regardless because it's very small and doesn't show up at all in the app drawer unless your SIM includes something that needs it. The layout and icon is very outdated though but you usually never have to interact directly with it like that. The messages it pops up look fine.
blunden said:
I know what you mean. At least one bank over here implemented login using something called BankID on SIM which required new sim cards and SIM Toolkit. It used service SMS in the background though and was recently deprecated for a BankID app that starts up in the background and handles the encrypting and decrypting personally issued certs.
I agree that SIM Toolkit should be included regardless because it's very small and doesn't show up at all in the app drawer unless your SIM includes something that needs it. The layout and icon is very outdated though but you usually never have to interact directly with it like that. The messages it pops up look fine.
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Yeah, exactly.
My main point is that it's used in many countries and is especially relevant here in Estonia. Just because some mobile service companies misuse it is no grounds for removing it. It's like removing e-mail notifications just because you're unable to use spam lists.
I just wonder if Galaxy Nexus has it or not.
Take a look at *THIS* thread. I dont know if its of any value as I havent read through the thread but it seems to be something on how to put it on your phone and I very much doubt the Galaxy Nedxus will come with it preinstalled.
Mark.
we also have ID cards here. with an NFC chip(i can scan my ID card to my phone)
but we dont use that system. only for criminal identifying.
though there might be the solution.
instead of sim toolkit.
youd have to scan your ID card to log in(NFC)
and seeing as you do need your ID card everywhere(by law)
According to this it does have it, but that phone seems to have some other abnormalities from the thread here http://91.151.218.11/showthread.php?t=18331065&page=51
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According to this it does have it, but that phone seems to have some other abnormalities from the thread here http://91.151.218.11/showthread.php?t=18331065&page=51
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Seems to be a dev-build. Those usually include it.
Alright, Galaxy Nexus DOES have SIM Toolkit, I have the phone and it is listed under all Apps, but not in app drawer. Some of its functionality also seems to be working.
But does anyone know how to make it visible in app drawer? Not sure I need it for all things, but still.
Anyways, glad it is there!
I have a UK sim-free Galaxy Nexus and the SIM Tool Kit does appear in the app drawer for me with a Telstra SIM. It works from what I can see but I never really use it and all it provides is a mobile news service (pocket news from BigPond)
From my experience with my S2 also, the app only shows in the drawer when a SIM card is in the phone that actually has something to be used with the Tool Kit. When I used another SIM card once it didn't show up.
Hi, I just downloaded some nfc reader app from the play store and discovered the phone reacted when I stick the gym I'd card at the back of it.
This card is usually used in order to enter the gym i go to every day (almost). I just have to place it close to a black box installed in the automatic doors and they get opened. I noticed I must place it very close in order to make it work.
Now, I'm not 100% sure it's this technology but if an nfc app is able to read it, o guess it is.
Now, my idea is to replace my Id card, which sometimes I forget, with my phone.
I want to ask if there is a way to make my phone store the nfc data in the card so when I go to my gym, I place the phone near this door instead and make the same function as with the card.
Is this doable? I'd need to read the card once store whatever is on it and then be able to transmit such info on demand.
I'm new to nfc but I'd like to see something like this.
Thanks!
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Short answer:
No.
Long Answer:
Unless you know how to emulate the card's UID, you can't do it.
If your card uses the data stored non the card, which is not likely, you will have to find a way to emulate it.
Beamed from my Maguro.
This is happening often. My phone says no sim card. I tried to find out how to remove it but I cannot find anything on this for my phone.
I have the samsung galaxy nexus lte verizon. Can someone please tell me how to remove this card. It maybe a stupid question but I do not see how to remove it. I think it is right above the battery there is a white paper sticking out of the slot. If I try and pull it out I think it is going to ripe.
Does the metal slot open or is there something I am not seeing.
If I do remove it can I get another one for the phone. I did read several people who had changed sim cards and it did not fix the error.
Not sure what to do. I have rooted phone. Miui OS. I have a picture of my phone see picture in above reply.
No sim card picture of phone
See attachment to this email for picture of my phone. To answer the question about no sim card and how to remove it?
press the end of it in and it should pop out some more
battery has to be out first.
Sorry guys I have recently purchase an SM-P601, (for about 2 weeks ago), It's amazing tablet ever i have, and also root it while it has continue Warranty period.
Few days ago, I inserted a SIM card into the tablet, it said "SIM Card inserted, reboot to access SIM Service", but it's quite bizarre - after reboot the tablet seem not recognize SIM card it said the same message pop up and required to reboot again. I follow the process (do reboot about 10 times).
Remind that: i freeze some services via Titanium backup that i believed all of them is bloatware.
After 10 times reboot, i did restore from TWRP (the backup i use for the first time i rooted the tablet) and this time it's fine. The tablet recognize the SIM card and no more reboot, 3G access like a cup-cake.
I tried to freeze less bloatware than later, it seem ok and no problem until now, Tablet doesn't recognize SIM anymore, the signal column is still 4-5 bars while the tablet said No SIM inserted. This time tablet doesn't required reboot anymore.
I wonder if anyone see the issue similar to me, and if anyone has solution for it please help me.
In worst scenario, i will try to go to Samsung Service to claim Warranty (about SIM reader replacement - but cross finger and hope they will do - regardless i tripped the knox flag into x1).
*update*: On the way to RMA, I returned to retailer first, and at there they said they will help me to return to Samsung Services. Cross finger and hope it's gonna be fine.
Read This and I just think if SIM Card holder is some kind of clipper or removable/ replacable then i should try myself too.
So I have a AT&T GN8. At one point I had some SIM card issues and I needed to insert and take the SIM card out a couple of times. In doing so, it led me to this problem.
- The SIM card insertion process now is reversed. For example, when I insert a SIM card and "click" it in, I get a window that pops up saying that the SIM card has been removed, please reboot the device. When I remove it, i.e., click on it to remove it, it says that the device detects a new SIM card, please reboot.
- The only way that I can get the SIM card to work is to click it out, but then leave it partially inserted for the device to read it. I then close the plastic SIM card cover to try to get it to stick in place, but sometimes the cover gets loose and the device notifies me that that the SIM card is out. Obviously not an ideal situation.
Does this make any sense at all? Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
Thanks.
esoh said:
So I have a AT&T GN8. At one point I had some SIM card issues and I needed to insert and take the SIM card out a couple of times. In doing so, it led me to this problem.
- The SIM card insertion process now is reversed. For example, when I insert a SIM card and "click" it in, I get a window that pops up saying that the SIM card has been removed, please reboot the device. When I remove it, i.e., click on it to remove it, it says that the device detects a new SIM card, please reboot.
- The only way that I can get the SIM card to work is to click it out, but then leave it partially inserted for the device to read it. I then close the plastic SIM card cover to try to get it to stick in place, but sometimes the cover gets loose and the device notifies me that that the SIM card is out. Obviously not an ideal situation.
Does this make any sense at all? Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
Thanks.
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I only remove or install a SIM when the device is off. Maybe you can do this with the Note 8.0, but I like the tried and true method that works all the time for me without any hassles.
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I only remove or install a SIM when the device is off. Maybe you can do this with the Note 8.0, but I like the tried and true method that works all the time for me without any hassles.
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Thanks. Tried that a couple of times but no go. It's very odd, for some reason the mechanism thingy is reversed so clicked in signals out and vice versa. I finally put a piece of scotch tape on the SIM card cover to keep the cover from popping out with the SIM card. Works fine for now, but I'm sure the next time I'm overseas it will be a pain.