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Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere or I'm in the wrong section but apparently some clever sod has ported WP7 to the HD2
linky tinyurl y8pcajg
grrrr
my first post and it looks like it's fake and I'm an idiot.
I'll go back to lurking (
lol see you in 2012 when we see the touch pro 4 has wp8 on it...lol jk
havox22 said:
lol see you in 2012 when we see the touch pro 4 has wp8 on it...lol jk
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the leo really is running wp7, its running it horribly slow.... but its running it none the less
This section is for WP7S software development and yes its been posted before
i doubt that.
it looks like HD2 is using remote desktop mobile version to control PC's WP7 emulator.
so as to the previous video which shows HD2 "running" MAEMO OS.
JohnQ said:
i doubt that.
it looks like HD2 is using remote desktop mobile version to control PC's WP7 emulator.
so as to the previous video which shows HD2 "running" MAEMO OS.
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I doubt it points to an emulator via RDP since the emulator that ships as part of the SDK only contains IE and nothing else
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I doubt it points to an emulator via RDP since the emulator that ships as part of the SDK only contains IE and nothing else
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Not totaly true, they hacked the emulator so that you can have all the apps (check pocketnowvideo on youtube)
but I personally think it's still fake
Could we dump the emulator ROM...?
Ca5c4d3 said:
Could we dump the emulator ROM...?
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The emulator ROM is x86 whereas the phone itself is ARM.
it will be done within a week or two.my company is actively working on the port as well as myself night and day.
robxcore said:
it will be done within a week or two.my company is actively working on the port as well as myself night and day.
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You have any proofs?
robxcore said:
it will be done within a week or two.my company is actively working on the port as well as myself night and day.
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Company? What kind of business might invest into a project like that and for what purpose?
vangrieg said:
Company? What kind of business might invest into a project like that and for what purpose?
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I was thinking the exact same thing. Unless they plan on selling the ROM, which would be highly illegal, I don't know why a company would work on it.
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-not-open-sourcing-honeycomb-says-bloomberg
I actually choked up when I saw this....
starplaya93 said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-not-open-sourcing-honeycomb-says-bloomberg
I actually choked up when I saw this....
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While I understand the reasons why they won't release Honeycomb code, Open means OPEN. My feelings are conflicted on this one.
They're delaying the release of the code and this has been taken way out of context.
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I may be exagerating my dissapointment, but this is just so taboo for google.... In all reality a closed source android is a second class ios... And when wp7 gains more momentum android wouldnt even be a consideration for me if they continued to not release source codes....
Then again, this probably is being taken out of context... Only time will tell I suppose
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If they named it TabOS 1.0 instead of Android 3.0 people wouldnt have this bizarre obsession with putting it on their phones. I for one don't want a tablet OS on my phone, it a phone OS on my tablet. Apple does it but it's dumb IMHO.
Frankly I wish tablets would go away anyways.
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what??? 2nd class os????
and if it is "closed".. going to wp7 will be different? how so???
this just does not make any sense
This as well as the engadget article bring up the point of google not wanting the reverse of what happened with froyo and manufacturers putting it on devices it's not meant for. Google cites they want to give the best experience to the customers; which means the 99% of users who don't come to xda. Unfortunately the lack of source code also effects us who want to put hc on our phones, optimized or not -especially since the devs here would optimize it. But a flood of smaller oem phones/small tablets that aren't designed for hc would just be crap.
Dan330 said:
what??? 2nd class os????
and if it is "closed".. going to wp7 will be different? how so???
this just does not make any sense
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WP7 & iOS = integrated experiences. They are optimized for specific hardware releases and have controlled updates. Which is why a lot of people are drawn to the Nexus phones.
wp7 and ios are closed...
he is leaving because it is closed (if it is closed) .. to another closed os.. which has yet to prove itself as a contender to de-throne android.
android is the top os.. and he thinks it is 2nd class.
but whatever.. see ya...
WP7 is the most boring and silly looking mobile OS on the market right now imo. And I agree with whoever said they should rename honeycomb, because its really not necessary on phones. Gingerbread is fine.
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WP7 & iOS = integrated experiences. They are optimized for specific hardware releases and have controlled updates. Which is why a lot of people are drawn to the Nexus phones.
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Not to mention they each have there niche. WP7 with its integration with xbox live PLUS they have openly admitted that they are trying to workout a mutual relationship with "hackers" aka "us"....
There really isn't a need to explain what advantages ios has. I'm android all the way but i'm not arrogant enough to believe that ios isn't one hell of an os and that the iphone isn't a great piece of hardware....
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If they named it TabOS 1.0 instead of Android 3.0 people wouldnt have this bizarre obsession with putting it on their phones. I for one don't want a tablet OS on my phone, it a phone OS on my tablet. Apple does it but it's dumb IMHO.
Frankly I wish tablets would go away anyways.
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my concern isn't that we won't be able to put honeycomb on our phones, didn't realize I even implied that... I'm just worried about this reoccurring in the future and possibly affecting future phone updates... I don't want a tablet os on my phone neither, but I also don't want a closed source phone (if I did i'd go to the iphone in a heart beat.)
starplaya93 said:
my concern isn't that we won't be able to put honeycomb on our phones, didn't realize I even implied that... I'm just worried about this reoccurring in the future and possibly affecting future phone updates... I don't want a tablet os on my phone neither, but I also don't want a closed source phone (if I did i'd go to the iphone in a heart beat.)
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You didn't imply it. It's in the article. Google cited it as one of the reasons for the delay.
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Dan330 said:
wp7 and ios are closed...
he is leaving because it is closed (if it is closed) .. to another closed os.. which has yet to prove itself as a contender to de-throne android.
android is the top os.. and he thinks it is 2nd class.
but whatever.. see ya...
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lol. Where is the justification for anything you're saying? Did you actually read my post or just skim through the title?
The part about not being able to port Honeycomb to phones doesn't really bother me as it's not designed for phones and may not run properly.
However, the real slight in this is Honeycomb tablet owners. If I owned a Xoom, a supposed open Google experience device, I would be enraged at not being able to utilize custom roms by other developers.
This essentially makes the fact that Motorola and Google opted to not include a bootloader in the Xoom worthless.
Similarly, with any Honeycomb tablets, including the upcoming LG and Samsung varieties, you'll essentially be running closed-off systems with no chance of custom roms.
I wasn't planning on buying a Honeycomb tablet anytime soon, but this pretty much seals the deal.
DirtyShroomz said:
They're delaying the release of the code and this has been taken way out of context.
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+1000000000
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Dan330 said:
what??? 2nd class os????
and if it is "closed".. going to wp7 will be different? how so???
this just does not make any sense
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The implication is that, if the open aspect is taken out of android, and all we have left to compare the three (wp7, ios, and android), for some, android would no longer make the cut. And, in some ways, I tend to agree: most of what I love about my phone depends on having root access and source code.
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You didn't imply it. It's in the article. Google cited it as one of the reasons for the delay.
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yes, i'm aware of that...
I just think everybody is missing the point of Androidcentral and Engadget posting this article, as well as the purpose of this thread...
Here is my concern in bold for you guys who don't understand...
WHAT DOES THIS FORESHADOW FOR GOOGLE AND ANDROID AS AN OS? WE NEVER IN OUR WILDEST DREAMS THOUGHT THEY WOULD LOCK THE SOURCE CODE FOR ANYTHING WITH ANDROID OS. WHAT ELSE ARE THEY CAPABLE/WILLING TO DO?
That is my concern folks.... If you're viewing this thread or any android development forum then more than likely its because android is an open source project.
I'm sure this will still go over the trolls heads, but so be it.
3.0 is not closed!!! Google just doesn't want outside developers playing with their source code that they haven't had time to optimize for smart phones.
Basically Google is baking ice cream 2.4 and wants us to get that first. Why would they release 3.0 which is "supposedly " just for tablets when they have put time and money into 2.4 specifically for smartphones. They have phones planned to run on stock off of that. If Google releases 3.0 why would people want to buy "downgraded " software on a flagship phone. Its all just business.
AOSP
Android open source project
Will never ever be closed this is how android became what it is now and how it will dominate the future.
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aray92 said:
3.0 is not closed!!! Google just doesn't want outside developers playing with their source code that they haven't had time to optimize for smart phones.
Basically Google is baking ice cream 2.4 and wants us to get that first. Why would they release 3.0 which is "supposedly " just for tablets when they have put time and money into 2.4 specifically for smartphones. They have phones planned to run on stock off of that. If Google releases 3.0 why would people want to buy "downgraded " software on a flagship phone. Its all just business.
AOSP
Android open source project
Will never ever be closed this is how android became what it is now and how it will dominate the future.
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I hope what you are saying is correct... at least for our sake
After days of struggle, Qualcomm has finally released the drivers for ICS. Now, devs won't be struggling hard to port ICS on our own devices, especially Galaxy Y.
Petition + Original Thread
Drivers
Now, why won't we give our thanks to devs and people who tried and succeeded?
Wow,,,,ICS,,,,,
by the ur pic are cool....
The problem is Galaxy Y is not using adreno..
Its sounds cool
I think galaxy y used broadcom chipset not qualcomm
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But maybe this will at least lessen the burden for devs to somehow port ICS, in the case of being an ARMv6 phone.
premo, what pic? My sig or avatar? Hihi.
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But maybe this will at least lessen the burden for devs to somehow port ICS, in the case of being an ARMv6 phone.
premo, what pic? My sig or avatar? Hihi.
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Yeah but I think we must do the same to broadcomm developer to make a new driver to handle ICS on broadcomm chipset
Just like quallcomm user they are being struggle to have a new driver haha
Ok maybe its a sign to make ics for our device
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Both your pic man.cool.
guys we too must start a petition thread so that drivers for our device from broadcom are also released......
rohit589769 said:
guys we too must start a petition thread so that drivers for our device from broadcom are also released......
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I believe they are of the same family.
premolikeshtc said:
I believe they are of the same family.
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so the drivers from qualcom would benifit us for the ICS development? and maroc-os was downloading the cyanogen repo (from cyanogen sources)he was talking about i think he is going to surprise us again
Qualcomm
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so the drivers from qualcom would benifit us for the ICS development? and maroc-os was downloading the cyanogen repo (from cyanogen sources)he was talking about i think he is going to surprise us again
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I know that Qualcomm and Broadcom aren't exaclty related, as they even had a lawsuit. From what I heard, hardware is what is restricting GALAXY Y from having ICS. Maybe CM7 or CM9 might work.
Isnt this copy pasted from the newsfeeds on the main Xda website ?
i dont think so broadcomm and qualcomm are related !
FROM WIKIPEDIA -
"Qualcomm Litigation and Settlement
On April 26, 2009, Broadcom settled four years of legal battles over wireless and other patents with Qualcomm Inc., another fabless semiconductor company headquartered in San Diego, California, USA.[15]
The deal ended the patent litigation as well as complaints of anti-competitive behavior before trade commissions in the U.S., Europe and South Korea. As part of the settlement, Qualcomm is paying $891 million in cash to Broadcom through April 2013.
In June 2007, the U.S. International Trade Commission blocked the import of new cell phone models based on particular Qualcomm microchips. They found that these Qualcomm microchips infringe patents owned by Broadcom."
They are RIVALS ! !
http://androidcommunity.com/steve-wozniak-on-samsung-apple-verdict-i-dont-agree-with-it-20120913/
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iphones are the creation of people with nowhere left to turn
Boo hiss apple yada yada.
We're done here.
"He also said that he thinks companies should just share patents with each other, which would allow for the development of the best devices possible"
I thought I was the only one that felt this way... (._." )
SocialReject said:
"He also said that he thinks companies should just share patents with each other, which would allow for the development of the best devices possible"
I thought I was the only one that felt this way... (._." )
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:thumbup:
need more high def music...
I have a idea, how about we post more Apple/iPhone threads in a Nexus forum.
Seriously, there needs to be a dedicated hate on Apple forum, would definitely clean up these ones.
Should be noted that he uses android not iPhone I wonder why
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iphones are the creation of people with nowhere left to turn
He uses both. Galaxy 3 is the flavor of the moment. He uses a lot of phones, including wp7.
need more high def music...
Woz is a class act.
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Woz uses most tech products known to man! I'm on a rather ****e 2g network here so cant link, but google what he carries with him in his backpack... extraordinary sight.
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Woz is an engineer so of course he hates patents. But he doesn't have any expertise in law so what he says about the court proceedings should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Woz uses most tech products known to man! I'm on a rather ****e 2g network here so cant link, but google what he carries with him in his backpack... extraordinary sight.
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Here is what you were looking for. Yeah, it seems just a little over the top for me. I can't imagine what he does with all that stuff.
pfmiller said:
Here is what you were looking for. Yeah, it seems just a little over the top for me. I can't imagine what he does with all that stuff.
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That's the one. Nah, I can't imagine what the use of all that is but i'd sure like to give it a crack
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Woz is cool, which is more than you can say for most iconic figures. Doesn't need to feed his own ego 24/7 and doesn't care what anyone else thinks.
Doesnt he use all types of phones??
The point is he doesn't use iPhone if at all lol
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donsh00tmesanta said:
The point is he doesn't use iPhone if at all lol
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I don't think that is the point you should take away from the article. He uses everything.
He uses iPhone. I am sure he is a player in design and "copying", but I think its more like these features are good, why doesn't apple try them or improve upon them.
need more high def music...
I too hate patent war...!!
If this continues, its not far that car companies will sue each other for using round tyres.....
Let's get this out of the way first, nobody here is stupid, we know the L Release is never going to come to the Galaxy Nexus officially. So let's talk about the community. I just have one basic question for our talented devs, what are the odds that a port of L will be able to come to the Gnex and if so, what kind of time frame are we looking at here?
Does the Cyanogenmod team do developers previews like this one? We might see it from them.
I'm sorry, but this post is exactly what I expected to see today.
so lets get it out of the way.
SURE
we COULD see some 5.0 aosp love(via custom development)
MAYBE.
time frame?
when.source drops, give it a few months at most I'd say
source isn't even CLOSE to ready yet though.
SOOO
let's ALSO look at the past.
which nexus devices, after Google officially dropped support, are STILL ABLE AND ARE running LATEST android version?
ALL of them right?
stability and such isn't a factor for this question, it's IF IT CAN/DOES run newest aosp in SOME FORM.
so I'd say YES gnex WILL see 5.0 in SOME usable form. but asking for ANY "time frame"at THIS POINT since SOURCE ISN'T AVAILABLE YET is kinda pointless.
maybe though, just maybe, there are ALREADY some people at work on getting those "preview" things ported. no matter WHAT, patience and not asking for timeframe/eta is key here
I don't normally do +1 style posts, but I am also greatly interested in knowing this as well.
I imagine it is largely going to depend on how much of the underlying kernel and driver interaction changes. I remember on my prior phone, a Droid X which has been and is still locked down, it was generally impossible to get past ICS because of the major underlying changes in JB and not being able to get those on the DX. Granted the Nexus doesn't have this limitation but drivers aren't likely to be further updated and if the kernel goes too far forward it is unlikely to see compatible driver versions for GNex hardware.
EDIT: I should probably say modules instead of drivers. I'm primarily a Windows person PC-side.
Put it this way my 4 year old HTC Desire can run Kitkat then i would be amazed if we didn't end up with some pretty good builds of "L".
ashclepdia said:
I'm sorry, but this post is exactly what I expected to see today.
so lets get it out of the way.
SURE
we COULD see some 5.0 aosp love(via custom development)
MAYBE.
time frame?
when.source drops, give it a few months at most I'd say
source isn't even CLOSE to ready yet though.
SOOO
let's ALSO look at the past.
which nexus devices, after Google officially dropped support, are STILL ABLE AND ARE running LATEST android version?
ALL of them right?
stability and such isn't a factor for this question, it's IF IT CAN/DOES run newest aosp in SOME FORM.
so I'd say YES gnex WILL see 5.0 in SOME usable form. but asking for ANY "time frame"at THIS POINT since SOURCE ISN'T AVAILABLE YET is kinda pointless.
maybe though, just maybe, there are ALREADY some people at work on getting those "preview" things ported. no matter WHAT, patience and not asking for timeframe/eta is key here
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Thanks for replying! I figured since I looked pretty thoroughly and didn't see a thread for it and thought that having at least one place for Gnex owners to talk about the L release for us wouldn't be a bad thing. I in no way meant to be one of those people who constantly bugs the devs about ETA's, I just meant what were could be expecting in the general sense. Thanks for the reassurance about us getting it, I've just been burned before about support with previous devices when they got past official support. But those weren't Nexii so I didn't know what to expect.
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Thanks for replying! I figured since I looked pretty thoroughly and didn't see a thread for it and thought that having at least one place for Gnex owners to talk about the L release for us wouldn't be a bad thing. I in no way meant to be one of those people who constantly bugs the devs about ETA's, I just meant what were could be expecting in the general sense. Thanks for the reassurance about us getting it, I've just been burned before about support with previous devices when they got past official support. But those weren't Nexii so I didn't know what to expect.
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yea sorry about my tone in that reply mostly too
I'm usually not the one to fly off ranting towards other users actions, at least not on xda(i do #AshRants elsewhere lol)
your question was a valid one, and I know where you coming from when it comes to nom nexus devices and their lack of support, I had a droid x2 that was ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED BY MOTOROLA to have ICS update. which for some reason they just didn't follow through on. Their REASON they said was that "android 4.0+ would not improve functionality of this device"...aka "we don't feel like fixing all the bugs we gave you already with shotty gingerbread releases, and we aren't going to allow you to unlock the device or give you usable kernel source so screw off",...back when moto didn't gaf about the dev communities. they have made huge strides towards mending that relationship. just couldn't believe they had the gall to say 4.0 wouldn't improve the first dual core android device running a tegra2 chipset. bah. ramblings now again from ash.
but yea reason I kinda went off in that reply was mostly cuz I hoped all the other people who were already drooling at the chance to post the exact same things would slow down and think instead first it wasnt intended as a personal attack towards you or to start any flamewar on the subject. and judging by your reply you didn't take offense to it anyways, so :thumbsup: :good: we all on the same page anyways.
personally, I haven't seen much of the IO stuff about L, I saw mostly design changes, and would like to know more details about it's new features so I'll be digging around YouTube today for recaps and such.
but I'm almost certain that if we don't get some kinda official rom like CM, OMNI, SHINY, PA, etc... building L based.roms for us, then some of our awesomely talented devs will at LEAST get us able to look like we have it, along with SOME if not z MOST functionality of L.
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I'm sorry, but this post is exactly what I expected to see today.
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I also think you guys should be patient. Your life won't be (that limited if there won't be a port of the coming up Android L to our Galaxy Nexus. Just relax.
As some have already pointed out, we're unlikely to see Android 5 "officially" ported to our GNex, for pretty much the same reason that we don't have an official 4.4 release for our phone. From ArsTechnica:
"Our talk with Burke shed some light on some more obscure topics too, including the lack of an Android 4.4 update for the Galaxy Nexus. Google's official line was that the company only supports hardware for 18 months after release, which it still mentions in its official Nexus update support document. As was speculated at the time, though, the decision was tied to Texas Instruments' exit from the consumer SoC market (TI's OMAP chip powered the Galaxy Nexus as well as other prominent Android-based hardware like the first Kindle Fires).
"It was a really extraordinary event," he said. "You had a silicon company exit the market, there was nobody left in the building to talk to."
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TI stopped development for the GNex SoC at Android 4.1. Google and others worked hard to support it for 4.2 and 4.3, but the official TI software was broken by 4.4. The reason that we even have 4.4 custom ROMs is because some kind-hearted person, perhaps a TI insider, released beta or engineering sample software for the SoC. But as we've found, it's not the most stable
have a great weekend,
john
You could all complain about TI stopping development and blaming them. The Google Glass uses a not to different TI SOC compared to the GNex has a 3.4 kernel and runs 4.4.2
Now please understand that Google simply ditched us for reasons other than TI stopped developing SOC bla bla bla.
akash3656 said:
You could all complain about TI stopping development and blaming them. The Google Glass uses a not to different TI SOC compared to the GNex has a 3.4 kernel and runs 4.4.2
Now please understand that Google simply ditched us for reasons other than TI stopped developing SOC bla bla bla.
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Plus if they didn't drop support after two years android would have alot more bugs in general.
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Plus if they didn't drop support after two years android would have alot more bugs in general.
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I don't get your logic. And its not like 4.3 is flawless. HD video playback on this device (GNex) lags.
+ if Google themselves show a bad example to OEMs on how long to update devices, expect OEMs to not update devices older than a year. And this makes the whole "android doesn't get timely updates" into a new issue where "android doesn't get updates after a year+ at best".
GNex will never die!
(3.5 yrs going strong bby, and thanks to vanir+dirtyv f2fs running better than ever)
latenightchameleon said:
GNex will never die!
(3.5 yrs going strong bby, and thanks to vanir+dirtyv f2fs running better than ever)
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Indeed. There will likely be somebody out there building from the latest source for this device as long as it's possible to do so, and possibly even if it isn't.
akash3656 said:
Now please understand that Google simply ditched us for reasons other than TI stopped developing SOC
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Out of curiosity, what would those reasons be?
jsage said:
Out of curiosity, what would those reasons be?
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That's up for you to imagine....
Money, profit, greed? You pick which one. Or make your own reasons.
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That's up for you to imagine....
Money, profit, greed? You pick which one. Or make your own reasons.
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Well, I guess when simple facts aren't sufficient then fantasy must be more believable.
wow
some of these replies were brutal, sheesh
gray bishop said:
some of these replies were brutal, sheesh
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Honest perhaps. It's pretty simple really. The new OS (4.4) has a new kernel. The new kernel requires new drivers. Neither TI (OMAP SoC) nor ImgTec (PowerVR GPU) will supply those drivers.
Yes, an engineer at TI "released" a blob last fall. But it was not release-quality, it was beta-quality. Not everything is a conspiracy; we've just reached the end of the official support road.
On the other hand if one is inclined to run on the bleeding edge and stability is not their primary concern, there are any number of KitKat custom ROMs in which one can indulge.
have a great evening,
john
jsage said:
Honest perhaps. It's pretty simple really. The new OS (4.4) has a new kernel. The new kernel requires new drivers. Neither TI (OMAP SoC) nor ImgTec (PowerVR GPU) will supply those drivers.
Yes, an engineer at TI "released" a blob last fall. But it was not release-quality, it was beta-quality. Not everything is a conspiracy; we've just reached the end of the official support road.
On the other hand if one is inclined to run on the bleeding edge and stability is not their primary concern, there are any number of KitKat custom ROMs in which one can indulge.
have a great evening,
john
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Ah crap I didn't mean to thank you. Anyway, yea sure remember all those OEMs you blame and all have given everything you've said to a certain product. GOOGLE GLASS. And go and check what SOC Google Glass uses.
Now have fun.