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instead of trying to bypass all the bull**** of this custom OS why can't we just install a clean OS now that we have the source code of Kindle we can apply the needed drivers and also apply the BT driver that exist.
labbala said:
instead of trying to bypass all the bull**** of this custom OS why can't we just install a clean OS now that we have the source code of Kindle we can apply the needed drivers and also apply the BT driver that exist.
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I think the issue is someone has to create the custom OS.
From what I've seen, that takes more than a couple days.
Also we need a way to get the custom rom on it. No clockwork makes it a little tricky right now.
What's the difference between the OS from source (clean OS) and the pre installed OS ?
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What's the difference between the OS from source (clean OS) and the pre installed OS ?
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In my line of thinking (and the pros can certainly correct me if my analogy is bad)...it's like asking what's the difference if I buy a New Dell PC and simply manually uninstall all the bloatware versus reformatting it with a fresh install...the latter is just better.
Well, in the case of PC vendors, there's Windows from Microsoft and a separate install of bloatware by the vendors. Kindle Fire, (as I understand it) has a forked, custom version of Android - they are not installing Android OS and putting some apps on top of it.
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I think the suggestion is to build a "stock" Android ROM, using parts of the source of the Amazon ROM. Basically take the drivers from the Amazon source, merge with stock Android and install. Obviously it's a little more difficult than simply copying some files from one ROM's source into another and compiling. Plus there's the problem of getting a custom recovery on there to flash from and to make backups etc.
Well, Amazon is going to sell a crapload of these things - at $199 why wouldn't they? - and I'm sure enough of them will fall into the skillful hands of some of our greatest developers. Given any time at all, I'm sure we'll have CWR and CyanogenMod 9 for the Fire. My wife is getting me a Fire for Christmas, and being a HUGE fan of CyanogenMod, I can't wait for some much needed love from the development community!
Im getting one just for that reason
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My wife is also getting me a fire for Christmas. It will be here Tuesday! I can't wait to get some custom ROMs on it!
I have one on order should be here in a week can't wait to wrinc the crap out of it.I see good things commin the force seems strong with this one it's not like the others.
labbala said:
instead of trying to bypass all the bull**** of this custom OS why can't we just install a clean OS now that we have the source code of Kindle we can apply the needed drivers and also apply the BT driver that exist.
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You'd lose the whole Kindle experience... I mean, you could put the Kindle App back on it, but that's just weird. I managed to get every app I could think of that would be useful on a tablet with no camera or GPS onto it, 100% integrated with the Kindle's native interface and ecosystem.
If you just want a tablet, you'd be a lot better off with a Galaxy Tab or Xoom or something, not this small, underpowered tablet. For basic stuff, and as an E-reader, it excels.
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You'd lose the whole Kindle experience... I mean, you could put the Kindle App back on it, but that's just weird. I managed to get every app I could think of that would be useful on a tablet with no camera or GPS onto it, 100% integrated with the Kindle's native interface and ecosystem.
If you just want a tablet, you'd be a lot better off with a Galaxy Tab or Xoom or something, not this small, underpowered tablet. For basic stuff, and as an E-reader, it excels.
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wrong. this tablet is not underpowered or too small. its awesome, and in time will be the best 7 inch available..
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smirkis said:
wrong. this tablet is not underpowered or too small. its awesome, and in time will be the best 7 inch available..
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Best available? Really? Serviceable yes. Specs-wise hardly. Let's keep the giddiness in perspective. It's a journeyman middle to low end tab.
Perhaps this thread needs to be in General?
what other 7s are worth mentioning other than the nook? sleek hardware is all we need, the rest comes in due time!
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what other 7s are worth mentioning other than the nook? sleek hardware is all we need, the rest comes in due time!
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Make you a deal. I don't wish to hijack this thread (and it has nothing to do with Android Development) so let's move to General. I've tried as many 7" tabs as I could and am happy to share what I learned.
Mod....can you move us to General?
I would think that, on top of the typical problems associated with making a new ROM from an incomplete android install like the Kindle Fire comes with, you also have additional hurdles to get past, such as implementing the same on-screen hardware controls (back, home, etc) into the new ROM, as well as making a touchscreen recovery in which things can be flashed.
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I would think that, on top of the typical problems associated with making a new ROM from an incomplete android install like the Kindle Fire comes with, you also have additional hurdles to get past, such as implementing the same on-screen hardware controls (back, home, etc) into the new ROM, as well as making a touchscreen recovery in which things can be flashed.
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A touchscreen recovery is already in process (a port by TeamWin of their existing touchscreen recovery called TWRP). There is a thread on it in this same section. Once recovery is sorted out then the real ROM work can begin in earnest
The new ICS version of Android is already designed to have on-screen buttons. I think this new Android 4.0 version requires a newer Linux kernel version than the Android 2.3 that the Fire is currently using, so there might be some heavy work required to get the current drivers all working in a different kernel , but once that is sorted out then new ROMs can be built from the ICS source code
Even starting with a 2.3 ROM, patching things on top of the existing Kindle Fire software shouldn't be necessary since Google provided the full source code for 2.3 as well
Additionally, CM7 'Tablet Tweaks' originally for the Nook Color would be perfectly viable here as well. I anticipate that once a solid recovery / 'unbricking' path is finalized, there will be a much greater development pace.
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Additionally, CM7 'Tablet Tweaks' originally for the Nook Color would be perfectly viable here as well. I anticipate that once a solid recovery / 'unbricking' path is finalized, there will be a much greater development pace.
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thanks I forgot to include that part. If a CM7 ROM is what comes first then it should still work great
Why is my phone cooler than my Kindle Fire tablet? I don't mean hardware. My phone has obviously better hardware than the Kindle. What I mean is why do apps behave differently, in fact better, on my phone than on my KF?
As an example, the Kindle Reader app on my phone shows a book browser within the app when I search for books. On the KF when I want to browse books, the app opens up Amazon's web site in a browser (not the nicest of interfaces for a small screen).
Another example is the Dolphin browser. On my phone, pressing the back button (on this web site for example) actually goes to the previous page whereas on the KF I have to press the back button at least twice and often more in order to get to the previous page; sometimes I have to time it just right, too.
There are a lot of little things like those examples that make my phone cooler in spite of its significantly smaller screen.
In case it matters, I have CM10.1 Android 4.2.2 on the KF and the phone has stock Google Android 4.2.2 that came with the phone. All the apps are presumably the same, having been download from the Play Store.
Can anyone explain this difference? Thanks.
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Why is my phone cooler than my Kindle Fire tablet? I don't mean hardware. My phone has obviously better hardware than the Kindle. What I mean is why do apps behave differently, in fact better, on my phone than on my KF?
As an example, the Kindle Reader app on my phone shows a book browser within the app when I search for books. On the KF when I want to browse books, the app opens up Amazon's web site in a browser (not the nicest of interfaces for a small screen).
Another example is the Dolphin browser. On my phone, pressing the back button (on this web site for example) actually goes to the previous page whereas on the KF I have to press the back button at least twice and often more in order to get to the previous page; sometimes I have to time it just right, too.
There are a lot of little things like those examples that make my phone cooler in spite of its significantly smaller screen.
In case it matters, I have CM10.1 Android 4.2.2 on the KF and the phone has stock Google Android 4.2.2 that came with the phone. All the apps are presumably the same, having been download from the Play Store.
Can anyone explain this difference? Thanks.
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The phone's hardware was designed with 4.2.2 in mind and the Kindle was designed for a forked rendition of GB.
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The phone's hardware was designed with 4.2.2 in mind and the Kindle was designed for a forked rendition of GB.
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Then perhaps I do not understand what Android is. I was under the impression it was an OS with a defined API such that it would look (theming aside) and behave the same on different hardware (with obvious exceptions like not having bluetooth functionality on KF). Your statement would indicate that it is very heavily hardware dependent and that somehow app developers take into account the plethora of different hardware platforms and choose to behave in different manners on different devices. If this is the case, then it's an illogically designed system.
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Then perhaps I do not understand what Android is. I was under the impression it was an OS with a defined API such that it would look (theming aside) and behave the same on different hardware (with obvious exceptions like not having bluetooth functionality on KF). Your statement would indicate that it is very heavily hardware dependent and that somehow app developers take into account the plethora of different hardware platforms and choose to behave in different manners on different devices. If this is the case, then it's an illogically designed system.
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Why is my phone cooler than my Kindle Fire tablet?
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Another example is the Dolphin browser. On my phone, pressing the back button (on this web site for example) actually goes to the previous page whereas on the KF I have to press the back button at least twice and often more in order to get to the previous page; sometimes I have to time it just right, too.
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Can anyone explain this difference? Thanks.
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The browser thing I think can be explained. If you are zoomed in on a page, if you press the back button, it will zoom out to the whole page. The second tap of the back button takes you back to the previous page.
Does this help / make sense?
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The browser thing I think can be explained. If you are zoomed in on a page, if you press the back button, it will zoom out to the whole page. The second tap of the back button takes you back to the previous page.
Does this help / make sense?
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That would make sense if it was the same behavior on my phone. Thanks, though.
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Then perhaps I do not understand what Android is. I was under the impression it was an OS with a defined API such that it would look (theming aside) and behave the same on different hardware (with obvious exceptions like not having bluetooth functionality on KF). Your statement would indicate that it is very heavily hardware dependent and that somehow app developers take into account the plethora of different hardware platforms and choose to behave in different manners on different devices. If this is the case, then it's an illogically designed system.
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That would make sense if it was the same behavior on my phone. Thanks, though.
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I think you're missing the point. The Kindle Fire was never made to run apps from the Google app store, and Google Play apps are rarely made for a modified Kindle Fire, running JB, and a custom kernel made from the ground up. Android is versatile, but it's not perfect. There are many apps that work well on some devices but not others. Looking at the reviews of any app in the Play store should be enough to convince you of that.
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Why? Does the Android code really have such code as:
if (running_on_older_hardware)
{
make_all_apps_less_cool(); // because we only like newer hardware, even if it's possible for the older hardware to function
}
What little I know of OS design is that if you want your OS to be used aon a wide variety of hardware (which seems to be the design goal of Google in their relentless pursuit of world domination), the API should be as hardware independent as possible and that all hardware access should be done through the API. The very fact that (most) apps are written in Java and compiled to bytecode dictate that they have to use the API. Is the functionality difference because there is some sort of proprietary ROM that Android and certain apps know about that doesn't exist on the KF? And this ROM makes apps behave cooler?
Is it a memory issue? Does 4.2.2 expect to have a different memory/segmentation model? Or a different cache model? Or simply ungodly amounts more memory?
The only runtime software difference I could tell between my phone and my KF is that the per app memory limit on the KF is set to 256 MB whereas on the phone it is 512 MB.
Are there dynamic libraries/frameworks/apks on my phone that are not included in stock/CM10.1 4.2.2 that most apps are aware of and use? Can I copy them to the KF?
Thanks.
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Why? Does the Android code really have such code as:
if (running_on_older_hardware)
{
make_all_apps_less_cool(); // because we only like newer hardware, even if it's possible for the older hardware to function
}
What little I know of OS design is that if you want your OS to be used aon a wide variety of hardware (which seems to be the design goal of Google in their relentless pursuit of world domination), the API should be as hardware independent as possible and that all hardware access should be done through the API. The very fact that (most) apps are written in Java and compiled to bytecode dictate that they have to use the API. Is the functionality difference because there is some sort of proprietary ROM that Android and certain apps know about that doesn't exist on the KF? And this ROM makes apps behave cooler?
Is it a memory issue? Does 4.2.2 expect to have a different memory/segmentation model? Or a different cache model? Or simply ungodly amounts more memory?
The only runtime software difference I could tell between my phone and my KF is that the per app memory limit on the KF is set to 256 MB whereas on the phone it is 512 MB.
Are there dynamic libraries/frameworks/apks on my phone that are not included in stock/CM10.1 4.2.2 that most apps are aware of and use? Can I copy them to the KF?
Thanks.
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Proper communication between the API and the hardware is still dependent on the kernel. Considering your phone's kernel was likely produced by a team of paid programmers and the KF's 3.0.x kernel was made by maybe a small handful of people with most of the work done by one man, for FREE, I'm sure there is plenty of possibility for something not working as efficiently as it could.
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Proper communication between the API and the hardware is still dependent on the kernel. Considering your phone's kernel was likely produced by a team of paid programmers and the KF's 3.0.x kernel was made by maybe a small handful of people with most of the work done by one man, for FREE, I'm sure there is plenty of possibility for something not working as efficiently as it could.
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And I truly do appreciate the hard work of the many hackers who put together kernels, boot loaders, recovery programs, apps, etc. I hope someday to join their ranks.
I was under the impression that there was a stock kernel as well as a stock OS and that the only real difference from one system to another was the boot procedure and the selection of drivers (with stubs or emulation for missing hardware/features). I take it that then this not the case.
Hello XDA-Developers!
Here is my dilemma:
I do app security testing for my company and our team talked management into finally buying us a Nexus 7 device for that purpose. My company is also a big customer of Good for Enterprise.
In order to run Good for Enterprise, it means no root, complex password on the lockscreen, and encrypting the filesystem.
Root is pretty much a necessity for my job (being able to pull files out of /data/data/<app> and see what's going on, running shark and other tools, etc.), but I'd still like to be able to have Good on the tablet. The process for evading root (as laid out in this post on XDA: link) is laborious and doesn't yet work for 4.3.
Is there any way I could have seperate Android ROMs running on the device, one with root and one without?
I see MultiROM is in the process of being ported to the new Nexus 7, but I don't know if it's going to work. The version for the old Nexus 7 doesn't support encryption and Good for Enterprise forces it.
Something like SafeStrap would be perfect, but I haven't found anything like it for the Nexus 7.
Maybe I'll be forced to juggle nandroid images of the same OS rooted and non-rooted.
Any suggestions?
I have Android 4.2.2 Nexus 7 running on my PC that I use to test various apps and other functions. This is used by developers but I don't know how useful it will be to you.
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I have Android 4.2.2 Nexus 7 running on my PC that I use to test various apps and other functions. This is used by developers but I don't know how useful it will be to you.
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One of my co-workers was messing with Genymotion last week.
From what he showed me, it runs in Virtualbox, so I assumed it is the x86-compiled version of Android. Does it have the ability to run ARM-compiled apks?
Looking and searching for days on this topic. Could not find word on anybody working on it.
It is pretty heavy handed for Google to issue an update that reduces to functionality to their device. I use Adobe flash may be 5% of the time on my phone, but still, if I don't use it at all, I will just use an iPhone. No point in letting Google make money from my searches.
It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
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It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
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Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
Yes, because Adobe is no longer updating it.
This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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Right, but is anyone working on this at the rom level?
which APIs and why are they removed?
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which APIs and why are they removed?
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Website rendering is no longer done by AOSP(which renders flash). Now it's done by chromium (which doesn't render flash)
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Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
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As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
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As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
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Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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Last time I checked the 16-bit subsystem was no longer there in 64-bit Windows.
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Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash.
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I don't understand why you keep blaming Google and not Apple, who ceased development on Flash for mobile devices 2 YEARS AGO
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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So your willing to go pick up a new over priced device which gives you next to no freedom on it for customization, for a old, out dated, inefficient system of flash? Even though that device also has no flash support ? Glad we settled that.
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Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
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This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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Couldn't agree more... If only iOS have a 5" phone, I'd have jump ship.
The customization advantage is getting lesser by the day...
Lolento said:
This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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How is comparing pros and cons of two competing operating systems not a debate?
You asked "what makes android better than iOS, nothing IMO" I told you what I liked about Android over iOS. And you only mentioned iOS and Android in all of your posts, nothing about windows.
I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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Not just starting to get phased out. As far as Google is concerned, you aren't supposed to keep using an app that hasn't been updated for 2 years (and if the only app using the framework was pretty much abandoned a long time ago why would they have to keep supporting it?)
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How does that compare? Want me to list the hundreds of programs that no longer work in modern Windows incarnations? How about most Creative sound cards? Is that MS' fault? I wouldn't say that, but you probably would.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
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So Adobe is moving away from Flash for mobile and you are saying it's Google's fault for not making sure every outdated app works on their newest OS version?
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
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"objectively" - "imo". 'Nuff said.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one.
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And that's your right, but don't spin it as anything other than your own biased opinion. Also, I'm pretty sure those sports websites never worked on iOS devices, ever.
I think its a good move by Google, the faster website developers will realize flash is outdated the better for everyone, less users using flash content because its incompatible will force them to switch to html5, sooner or later.
Homever Adobe should stop supporting desktop version too, it would fasten up the process alot.
Again, I was not inviting a debate in my OP. But if it needs to continue, it can.
Firstly, on Windows platform, in every modern iteration, there is a compatibility mode that maintains (to a certain extent) backwards compatibility. This is how MS does business, they dont go out of nowhere to drop support for a key piece of software. My windows 7 setup is backward compatible to software back to Windows 95.
Google, on the other hand, drops third party support for anything that they have a market share strangle hold on. Mark my word on this. It started with exchange sync support for gmail, then google voice, it will not stop there.
I think everyone hopes that web devs will realize flash player is dead. This is wishful thinking. Just like I wish voice call and sms should be dead.
Fact is, there are still millions of websites that are still dependent on flash player. They are still essential to people who uses these websites. I really dont care if Google supports or not, my OP asked if anyone else is working on it.
I switched from iPhone to Android years ago because Steve Job's Apple is a bully in their vision of technology. I see google as going down the same path.
Google doesn't really make anything that blow people's mind. They make things that are cheap and are good enough. I can easily and happily switch. In fact, I already made up my mind to test out the Dell Venue 8 Pro with Win 8.1 since the holiday deals look pretty good.
Lastly, I think someone misunderstood the diff between 'objective' vs 'subjective'.
Hello everyone
Here is a quick tutorial to jailbreak:
1) Download and configure altstore https://altstore.io/
2) Install unc0ver using alstore https://unc0ver.dev/
3) Open cydia and install custom mods
Enjoy
Fiy: Iphone 12 series may come with ios14.2+ preinstalled from factory.
MaDaLiNoSt said:
Hello everyone
Here is a quick tutorial to jailbreak:
1) Download and configure altstore https://altstore.io/
2) Install unc0ver using alstore https://unc0ver.dev/
3) Open cydia and install custom mods
Enjoy
Fiy: Iphone 12 series may come with ios14.2+ preinstalled from factory.
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Wow, happy to see apple stuff there. Maybe we can take this post updated to show what version is compatible and all the update for the upcoming releases and exploit related.
With the phone modded like this, or full jailbreak, is it possible to enable free hotspot? (wifi or tethered)
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With the phone modded like this, or full jailbreak, is it possible to enable free hotspot? (wifi or tethered)
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I second this question. I'd like to activate the hotspot (wifi or tethered) on iOS 15. I assume pdanet & foxfi still work on iOS if jailbroken?
That being said, the only reason why I got an iphone, was for the security (which included trying to de-googlefy)
So, I'm assuming the answer is no, but would only installing authorized apps prevent security issues with jailbreaking the phone?
I've rooted and semi-rooted android phones, and I know that opens up the doors for security issues of all kinds. Even when only installing legit apps from the play store (yes, I know that the play store is full of malware). So, I'm assuming that I lose the security benefits of apple, once I jailbreak it. (ie. vulnerbilities introduced via websites, ads, etc)
I was hoping XDA developers would have a section for iphone :/ as just bought iphone 13 and wanted to ask a few things about jailbreaking I did find these on youtube and seems very simple but after reading another site there are many things to be aware of and then it just starts getting confusing on choice! concerning tethered and the multiple options. here are the two links if anyone else is intersted.
Jailbreaking An IPhone: Should You Jailbreak Yours?
Learn about the upsides and downsides to jailbreaking an iPhone - a process that lets users access more apps, as well as customize their device.
thecyphere.com
staring to miss android big time there is no contest. man rooting an android is bliss you know where you stand!.