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[Q] How to setup and use autokiller.

could someone explain how to use this autokiller ?

Don't use a task killer,android do this very well. I try one or two task killer and the result is many bug on my phone.
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mastertiti2000 said:
Don't use a task killer,android do this very well. I try one or two task killer and the result is many bug on my phone.
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The thing is my play is very slow and sluggish so I'm trying time get it as fast as possible

Since Gingerbread, Android itself successfully manages the applications, putting them to sleep and the likes when it sees fit, so I wouldn't bother installing one, you end up using more power, as GB re launches some apps that need to be open that you may have killed...

If your phone is slow I'd look at what software you've installed. I've only had my phone a few weeks but I find it VERY fast 90% if the time.
Auto task killer type apps I agree cause more problems then its worth. Haven't used one on this phone nor my previous Acer running froyo
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jdz7t8 said:
The thing is my play is very slow and sluggish so I'm trying time get it as fast as possible
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If you describe your problem in a bit more detail, you might get some decent advice here.
Task killers are not needed to speed your phone up. In fact, they are more likely to slow it down since your cpu will be used alot more while it cycles the closure of apps that will keep opening.

Auto killer, is not a task killer. He is talking about minifree manager i assume.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630262
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Ram manager ??

So do you guys find it necessary to have a ram manager to free memory or no ?

No, ics have a good system to manage ram.

No. Creates more issues than it solves.

+1 for no. Watchdog has always been a must have for me, but it hasn't yet had to call out an app on my SGN.

No. Don't use automated tools to kill tasks and free up memory... in Android, free memory is wasted memory. You make your phone work harder when you interfere with its built-in memory management.

I kill running services that shouldn't be running... That allows for more RAM to be used by active applications.

EP2008 said:
I kill running services that shouldn't be running... That allows for more RAM to be used by active applications.
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Users always feel they are smarter than the OS when it comes to killing processes. They are usually wrong.

adrynalyne said:
Users always feel they are smarter than the OS when it comes to killing processes. They are usually wrong.
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Funniest thing I read all day and its true

adrynalyne said:
Users always feel they are smarter than the OS when it comes to killing processes. They are usually wrong.
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Yes,I feel that having running SERVICES that I'm not using is a huge waste of memory and battery resources. Android is not smart in this regard.
For example, I use the amazon app store to check for free apps of the day ONCE a day. No need to have it run as a service all day, using up ram and CPU. Another example is pulse news reader. I want to go in the app, refresh the feeds, read them and exit, but the app remains running as a service for no reason. I also use a document scanner app which runs as a service when I'm not using it for no good reason. So, I kill the service.
To suggest that I'm wrong in doing this shows a lack of understanding of the issue at hand.
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EP2008 said:
Yes,I feel that having running SERVICES that I'm not using is a huge waste of memory and battery resources. Android is not smart in this regard.
For example, I use the amazon app store to check for free apps of the day ONCE a day. No need to have it run as a service all day, using up ram and CPU. Another example is pulse news reader. I want to go in the app, refresh the feeds, read them and exit, but the app remains running as a service for no reason. I also use a document scanner app which runs as a service when I'm not using it for no good reason. So, I kill the service.
To suggest that I'm wrong in doing this shows a lack of understanding of the issue at hand.
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You have no idea how android works and deserve to have your nexus confiscated.
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EP2008 said:
Yes,I feel that having running SERVICES that I'm not using is a huge waste of memory and battery resources. Android is not smart in this regard.
For example, I use the amazon app store to check for free apps of the day ONCE a day. No need to have it run as a service all day, using up ram and CPU. Another example is pulse news reader. I want to go in the app, refresh the feeds, read them and exit, but the app remains running as a service for no reason. I also use a document scanner app which runs as a service when I'm not using it for no good reason. So, I kill the service.
To suggest that I'm wrong in doing this shows a lack of understanding of the issue at hand.
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Android does not operate like windows. Apps listed as "Running" are actually only loaded in ram and are not using cpu cycles or battery power. Android loads them in ram in order for them to start/be available more quickly to the user. If Android needs more ram for a task, it will remove any thing it needs to in order to free up more ram. You are wasting battery power and cpu cycles by "killing" those apps/service. If you think of ram as a memory stick you will realize that once something is loaded there, it doesn't take any power to keep it there.
Good luck
Good luck

jordanishere said:
You have no idea how android works and deserve to have your nexus confiscated.
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System services should obviously not be messed with, but disabling autostarting services that you don't use is generally not a problem. It may take more power/time to start up apps that use those services (since they will have to be manually started), but if it's an app that you use infrequently it may be worth doing.
Intelligently tuning what services are allowed to autostart themselves is NOT the same as indiscriminately killing apps chasing after "free memory".
Personally, I wouldn't terminate services, but only modify which ones are allowed to automatically start up with the OS.

codesplice said:
if it's an app that you use infrequently it may be worth doing.
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Is it worth doing when Android does this automatically?
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EP2008 said:
Yes,I feel that having running SERVICES that I'm not using is a huge waste of memory and battery resources. Android is not smart in this regard.
For example, I use the amazon app store to check for free apps of the day ONCE a day. No need to have it run as a service all day, using up ram and CPU. Another example is pulse news reader. I want to go in the app, refresh the feeds, read them and exit, but the app remains running as a service for no reason. I also use a document scanner app which runs as a service when I'm not using it for no good reason. So, I kill the service.
To suggest that I'm wrong in doing this shows a lack of understanding of the issue at hand.
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you basically proved what he said was true

I agree with using "Autostarts", it's one of my fav apps and cuts down on startup time and certain apps like to be triggered for all kinds of rediculous things. Once again though I think it is counterproductive to use automated task killers. Watchdog will alert you of apps running away with your ram and battery, but does not just auto kill all random apps. As far as the Amazon AppStore, I agree that it can be very malicious with RAM if it wants to be even when just checking the FAOTD in the mornings, on my Atrix I would get constant alerts from Watchdog for Amazon AppStore. On my SGN however I have yet to recieve ANY alerts for ANY app yet from Watchdog, this leads me to think there is better optimization going on with ICS or the Nexus than I had with Gingerbread and Atrix.
Is there any reason not to use AutoStarts or WatchDog? They are not auto killing apps at all. And I am requesting a "real" technical explanation not just you opinion or a "think of it like.." story, those are useless to me and offer no explanation.

jordanishere said:
Is it worth doing when Android does this automatically?
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Eh, usually there's not much benefit to be had - but preventing a service from auto starting when you might not use its app for the entire time Android is booted won't cause any problems. You're essentially "freezing" the service while still allowing it to be used on demand .

WiredPirate said:
I agree with using "Autostarts", it's one of my fav apps and cuts down on startup time and certain apps like to be triggered for all kinds of rediculous things. Once again though I think it is counterproductive to use automated task killers. Watchdog will alert you of apps running away with your ram and battery, but does not just auto kill all random apps. As far as the Amazon AppStore, I agree that it can be very malicious with RAM if it wants to be even when just checking the FAOTD in the mornings, on my Atrix I would get constant alerts from Watchdog for Amazon AppStore. On my SGN however I have yet to recieve ANY alerts for ANY app yet from Watchdog, this leads me to think there is better optimization going on with ICS or the Nexus than I had with Gingerbread and Atrix.
Is there any reason not to use AutoStarts or WatchDog? They are not auto killing apps at all. And I am requesting a "real" technical explanation not just you opinion or a "think of it like.." story, those are useless to me and offer no explanation.
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I relied upon autostart tuning and Watchdog on my N1, but haven't experienced a real need for either on the SGN. Not necessarily a technical response, but just my experience.

Wow, the ignorance on XDA is staggering.
A RUNNING SERVICE is not the same as a cached app or background process.
Why the heck would anyone want 3 or 4 running services in the background when they don't need them running?
Right now, I have the logmein service using 26mb, Amazon app store using 38mb, pulse taking up 43mb and I'm NOT using these apps. They are running as services and using ram, battery and cpu.
Continue to defend Android and all its flaws. The user doesn't always have to accept how poorly some things function.
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EP2008 said:
Right now, I have the logmein service using 26mb, Amazon app store using 38mb, pulse taking up 43mb and I'm NOT using these apps. They are running as services and using ram, battery and cpu.
Continue to defend Android and all its flaws. The user doesn't always have to accept how poorly some things function.
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Less an Android flaw and more related to how developers wrote those apps. Otherwise I think we are in agreement though.

codesplice said:
I relied upon autostart tuning and Watchdog on my N1, but haven't experienced a real need for either on the SGN.
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why?
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Apps keeps reloading and doesnt close

Hello there ive got a real problem i dont know if its accutually a problem my SGW apps doesnt close even ive used task killers and keeps reloading in the task managr and eats too much ram how i can fix this cause its really annoying me
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What is the apps called ?
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andynroid said:
What is the apps called ?
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well most of apps i run facebook , messenger , even task killers ... seems weird to me .. the problem is when i kill these apps it kees reloading into the ram and uses you know large amount of it

Some of apps such as messenger will run in background to push notifications to your phone whenever chat(for messenger) or facebook notifications is available .
Thats why even if you kill the apps, it will automatically run again.
And as far as i know, you cant choose not to run those apps in background, but you can choose not to enable notifications for some apps (such as facebook), hope that will stop those apps from running in background .
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diedo said:
well most of apps i run facebook , messenger , even task killers ... seems weird to me .. the problem is when i kill these apps it kees reloading into the ram and uses you know large amount of it
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Number one thing to remember....Android is Linux....not Windoze..
So things which cause problems in Win environment, such as Apps/Programs hogging resources, are not a problem in Android......
if system needs memory for a task or app, it simply kills whatever us unimportant or not currently in use....
and takes Ram it needs for new process.
Most Android purists frown on the use of Task Killers.....
in fact CM devs will not take a problem on board if you are using a TK.
Having said that, memory management can be improved....
try V6 SuperCharger.....search XDA for thread......
Also, dome interesting reading here:
http://mobworld.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/memory-management-in-android/
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irishpancake said:
Number one thing to remember....Android is Linux....not Windoze..
So things which cause problems in Win environment, such as Apps/Programs hogging resources, are not a problem in Android......
if system needs memory for a task or app, it simply kills whatever us unimportant or not currently in use....
and takes Ram it needs for new process.
Most Android purists frown on the use of Task Killers.....
in fact CM devs will not take a problem on board if you are using a TK.
Having said that, memory management can be improved....
try V6 SuperCharger.....search XDA for thread......
Also, dome interesting reading here:
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well man i know the differences of these two operating system and over the ram use you know what it cause lots of hangs ... plus task killers do nothing and about that memory management article i've already read a bunch of them long time ago ... but i'll try the solution of disabling notifications and see what will happen .. thanks for your great follow bodies

diedo said:
well man i know the differences of these two operating system and over the ram use you know what it cause lots of hangs ... plus task killers do nothing and about that memory management article i've already read a bunch of them long time ago ... but i'll try the solution of disabling notifications and see what will happen .. thanks for your great follow bodies
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Well if you know do much you should know that:
killing auto-start apps/tasks is futile
turning off sync/notifications is an obvious solution for apps like Gmail, G+, FB, etc.
I made a suggestion which would help with memory management, but you seem to know everything anyway!!
other than that, I have difficulty understanding what exactly you are asking or saying!!
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[Q] should I use task killers?

I have about 68mb free on ram and I noticed that useless apps are still running (e. g. Facebook, office suit, and other useless apps). I try to force stop them via settings but they still turn on by them selfs. Also, I think this is the reason why my battery does run out quick since theres apps runnimg in the background. Should I get a task killer e

No.
Using a task killer is like playing god, let the phone kill the app.
And anyway, apps usually start again and consume more ram after you have killed them.
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TwilightLoz said:
I have about 68mb free on ram and I noticed that useless apps are still running (e. g. Facebook, office suit, and other useless apps). I try to force stop them via settings but they still turn on by them selfs. Also, I think this is the reason why my battery does run out quick since theres apps runnimg in the background. Should I get a task killer e
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Keiran is spot on. Try un-installing apps you don't use (be careful with system apps) and you can also stop apps from running at boot with something like Autorun Manager
Remember to make a nandroid backup before you do anything, just in case it goes wrong

TwilightLoz said:
I have about 68mb free on ram and I noticed that useless apps are still running (e. g. Facebook, office suit, and other useless apps). I try to force stop them via settings but they still turn on by them selfs. Also, I think this is the reason why my battery does run out quick since theres apps runnimg in the background. Should I get a task killer e
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No! Free RAM is wasted RAM.
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Task killers do more harm than good

Facebook and other apps will start anyway after "killing" them, maybe itz time for root and delete those apps from autorun?
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I feel that the reason you use the task manager is only to fully quit programs/games which you KNOW will just eat up memory for no good reason, and won't reload and take up more memory. I've done this when using apps such as OnLive, where I want to kill the program compeletely so it doesn't freeze my game when I exit out. Yah, I could have ust quit the program completely, but sometimes things come up and..... I also use it to kill processes which OBVIOUSLY are causing the phone to hang. In short, I use it as a KILL command and I make sure to use it sparingly. I think of it as a super force quit option. If you think of a task manager as that, then you should be fine with one. I understand that people think that having almost no RAM free is the right way to go, and I somewhat agree, but I feel that there are times when you should free up the ram so you can replace a bad thing with a good one. I don't want my browser, whcih is lagging all over the place for some reason to take away ram from my game, my keyboard, or my voice recognition (I use it a lot). Nope, I could be better served killing the browser completely and instead loading up some programs I use more freqently, or perhaps just reloading the browser in general.

Beez thats what I meant. I just want to use it to only disable the autorun. Is there app that does that? My phone is rooted.

There's an app called Android Assistant that has an option to disable apps from starting up on boot, and so does Rom Toolbox. Rom Toolbox has a lot more options, but Android Assistant is easier to use.

I like using the Autostarts app. It costs a buck but it works wonderfully at removing programs/processes from boot

[Q]AudioOut_2 wakelock problem

Hello, I installed betterbatterystats and I found a partial wakeclock very high due to AudioOut_2.
I disabled Samsung tts and google tts. All keyboard sound and all screen sound, But the problem persist. I havent viber , in 48 never play mp3 and youtube.
List of my programs:
Appbrain
Apps Organizer
Cpu spy
Dropbox
Easy cache cleaner
Terminal emulator
EzPdfReader
Facebook
Framaroot
Gmail
Gpp Remote
Mtalk
My vodafone
Office Suite
Puffin
Recent Apps
Rescan Media Root
Skype
Superuser
solid explorer
Tapatalk
Titanium Backup
Tivi
Whatsapp
Widgetsoid
Youtube
Thx for the help

Might be something like this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29369439&postcount=4
It can be any program that is not closed properly (eg. running in the background), like Youtube.
Does it also occur when your device is rebooted and NO program is started? (See in the apps listing which apps are running right after resetting)

it is manifested even when the device has just been restarted. I try to freeze youtube and see how it goes?

Does anyone know a program to check if the battery is still working?

Hi. Maybe try to untick conversation tones (notifications) in whatsapp.
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Try to use Greenify. That'll stop programmes from restarting.
As has been said that particular wake lock is an app that hasn't closed Properly.
When I get it I terminate apps one by one each time going back to bbs hitting refresh to see if the wakelock has stopped increasing. When it does I know that's the app I need to greenify.
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DRVB said:
Hi. Maybe try to untick conversation tones (notifications) in whatsapp.
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Thx but need notifications ...
3vo3d said:
Try to use Greenify. That'll stop programmes from restarting.
As has been said that particular wake lock is an app that hasn't closed Properly.
When I get it I terminate apps one by one each time going back to bbs hitting refresh to see if the wakelock has stopped increasing. When it does I know that's the app I need to greenify.
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thx for explain.
Last night as I needed the phone fully functional, I 've formatted. I will update if the problem recurs and if I were to do only 3 hours of screen on. If greenefy will install (I have to buy it or even the free version is fine?)
Thank you.

Hellboy880 said:
Thx but need notifications ...
thx for explain.
Last night as I needed the phone fully functional, I 've formatted. I will update if the problem recurs and if I were to do only 3 hours of screen on. If greenefy will install (I have to buy it or even the free version is fine?)
Thank you.
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Any time.
I use the free version. It is a very good app. Make sure you delete all sounds within the phone settings as well. Such as tts, keyboard sounds/vibrations etc.
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