NFC and Google Wallet/ISIS - AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III

NFC and Google Wallet/ISIS - AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III

So with iPhone not including NFC on their new baby, are they trying to just develop their own service(so they can cash in as usual) or do you think they are trying to kill NFC payments all together for some system they "think up". Heck maybe they just want that to be the one new thing they add so people get the 5s in 6months...
It just seems like with Google Wallet being about the only option right now and the carriers trying to get their own going people will end up giving up on it if it doesnt get organized soon. Dont get me wrong I think its a great idea and I use GW on my S3, but of coarse had to hack it to get it going, so the average Joe will never even know what this is until its standard and available to any phone with NFC. Plus there is too much doubt , which I can sort of understand on NFC payments. I can see how some can think it might be open to fraud. But once they use it and see it requires a PIN and have to touch the pay pad they will understand its not just sort of across the room wifi beam that can be intercepted or something. I just think these guys need to get it going and educate the masses on it or this will fade out before it gets started. Just like QR codes, the US is always behind the times and once they catch on the rest of the world is thinking of the next big thing to replace that old system.

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NFC - The one reason that I'm slightly jealous of the Nexus S...

So, with the Nexus S officially released, I am ever so slightly jealous of only one thing: NFC. To be perfectly honest, I think my Mozart does everything else better than the latest "Google Phone", but NFC is something that I've been drooling over for probably about 3 years, having seen it all over Japanese websites/tv.
Damn it I can't wait for some sort of NFC solution for us! http://twinlinx.com/mymaxsticker.php is probably our best bet (once it comes out), but it's not the same as having the function integrated into the hardware...
Who else can't wait for NFC to really take off? ^__^
Alex

No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.

vetvito said:
No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.
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A year ago, there were 25 million people with NFC on their phones. It's beyond huge over there! I'm really surprised that you haven't heard about it! The vast majority of shops there have nfc readers at tills as well, effectively allowing you to leave your wallet at home, and only carry your phone
Damn it this excites me!

I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.

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I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.
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Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S

^ Not that I know of, like I said earlier, never heard of it until today.

We do have several NFC services here in the US. Just nothing that is very popular nor is it outwardly billed as being NFC. Each implementer brands it with their own name.
https://www.speedpass.com/forms/frmSpHome.aspx , for example

^ I have that little thing for Exxon. That's what this is? Another form of a credit card?

In korea they use it for everything...they can use it as cash (pay for things at shops, taxis public transport) but also you can save credit cards to the chip and you can just carry your phone around and have all your bank cards on it (only works in banks and ATMs)
also in some schools they use NFCs for student ID as well..
pretty amazing tech..it's still to take off fully but still light years ahead of most other countries...
don't worry America, once apple put in an NFC in their new iphone people will get so overly excited and think Apple invented it! and everyone will use it blah blah!
I think London is thinking of replacing the oyster card for NFC, right?

i think i prefer to keep my credit card seperate from my phone... it's one thing to steal my phone, or my card... but to steal them both in 1 hit... not my cup of tea.

GenkaiMade said:
Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S
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Crime is more prevalent here in the USA than in Japan. With such tech on our phones and being relied upon, it's like a Christmas party for ill mannered hackers.

somethings i prefer seperate
credit card is easier to replace than a phone
if that phone gets hacked by some virus (not very likely but still) im f*cked.....

I don't see this (NFC) taking off in the U.S. anytime soon, even if it's on iPhone 5 (which I don't think it will be given Apple's penchant for great implementation and user-experience).
Before it gets adopted in the U.S. by phone manufacturers, it also has to be adopted by all of the U.S. retailers in orders to be of any real-world use. What's the likelihood of that happening within the next generation or two of smartphones?

the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!

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the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!
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lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.

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lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....

MartyLK said:
I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....
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hahaha, what phone(s)?

The Gate Keeper said:
lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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ah that makes sense...
in korea they have NFC in the phones and you can use it for cash (comes out of your phone bill) for small payments and withdraw cash from ATMs (via stored bank/credit card) after you insert PIN
i didn't realise you can get credit cards with NFC on them..
well in that case, I am back on the fence about this one

I have my HD7 but I am tempted to sell it and buy the Nexus when it comes out. Trying to be patient with WM7 and it has a lot of potential but I think it might take a year or so to get up to IOS or android. The nexus S could hold me over till then

in a year wp7 if its doesnt fizzle may have overtaken ios, and android at their current stages and at its current rate of growth ( its been out about 2 months, and a update already in testers hands) in less than four months it will almost catch up, and about 6 months from that it'll have things that they dont. Who know maybe by then ios will be playing catch up to wp7, 6.5 already had some thing thats why alot of us have the hd2,in a way theyre playing catching up to us with exception of stability and speed. Now that we have stability, etc, all they have to do is put back what they took out, add apps which they are doing, and walla. Windows Phone is on top again. Nothing last forever, not even apples domination.

So, I made my first NFC payment today...

I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?

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Am I missing something?
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Did you get your $10?
I don't know about purchases but I have some cool ideas about things to do with my new NFC tags.

Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
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Buff McBigstuff said:
Did you get your $10?
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I did It was certainly worth $10 to give this a go!!
psychoace said:
It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
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I can see that as an advantage, perhaps. Maybe there will be a day when I walk out of my door carrying only my ID, my phone, and my car keys, but not yet. I do not trust my phone to be working all the time every day. All it would take is one phone failure when I actually need to purchase something to sour the experience for good.
Again, when it comes to purchasing goods/services, I think simple is best. Time will tell.

Security. Your credit card is an archaic tool rife with vulnerabilities. Chip based payment systems are arguably more secure.

psychoace said:
It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
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Damn, I really got to stop typing long crap like that on my cell phone. I need punctuation damnit.

I tried it a while back at Best Buy, especially since Google is handing out a free $10. Yeah, it's nothing special, but I like the idea of keeping some cash on there in case I ever leave my wallet at home. I've gone out of town on business before only to get 2 hours down the road and realize I don't have my wallet. I NEVER leave my phone. It's a good option to have.

psychoace said:
Damn, I really got to stop typing long crap like that on my cell phone. I need punctuation damnit.
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I've seen much worse
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Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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It's because you're now old school.
Don't worry I argued this same point - there's not much appeal when I have to carry a wallet anyway for my ID and some cash for places that charge for credit cards. Google wallet takes more work than paying for a card for me.
But I could see this being a fundamental shift in payment for younger generations who might have a phone but no real need for a wallet - who will grow up used to this system.
The real issue at the moment is battery life, I'm sure 5-10 years from now week+ battery life will be the norm and using phone for everything will become acceptable. Phones will also not be so fragile (cough iphone) so it will be as reliable as a piece of card (or almost).
Personally though, I think an NFC card would be way more convenient. It could be the size of a credit card, with a touch screen interface that lets you use it for payment or as a driver's license. But this kind of tech is probably at least 10 years away.

Can I ask you guys which method is the best one out there ?
I do have root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365360
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20404813&postcount=350

I think I'm a little confused by wallet. I know it wasn't inclued out of the box because of Verizon. I was able to download it from the market, install and activate it. I have the $10 and went to test it. I went to pay and the phone said sent but did not display the merchant for confirmation and the merchant didn't receive it either. They are supposedly setup for it. Do I need to grab one the other APKs and reinstall or is there any ideas you guys may have? I've searched plenty and saw no mention of what I'm experiencing. Thanks for any insight.

+1
Thank you!
finally some one that sees the truth
Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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I am on the fence, see the pros and cons with both...but eventually when the NYC MTA implements this technology broadly it would pretty sweet to use if you happen to misplace or forget your train ticket and/or metro card

For now, I have to agree. It is less convenient than just using a card.
What would ultimately be really cool is to replace all those things we're talking about with just your phone. Unlock your house, start your car, verify your identity, pay for stuff... all with one device. But until I can ditch my wallet and keys entirely, it's just another way to complicate things instead of a solution to make life simpler. Can't wait for the future!

I've now used it at about 5 different locations and it's pretty fast, with much potential. assuming you've entered your pin ahead of time, it's faster than paying with a physical card. my phone hasn't crashed for more than a month (since going to custom roms) and fcs are extremely rare. therefore it's as reliable as I expect it to be
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My phone gave me fits when I tried to use Google Wallet at Rite Aid. Fortunately the cashier mived the rest of the line behind me to a free register so I could keep trying, because I had to start over like 8 times. It's a nice gimmick for now, but it won't really be practical until more businesses support it and the bugs get worked out.
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I see the appeal in that my phone is quickly becoming my life "tool"
First it integrated my iPod/music player, now does movies, now does hand held games, mobile web browser and email means its now used for work purposes... replicon now has timesheet app so it also records my time in/out of a job......google wallet is now what I use to pay for groceries at the store instead of carrying my wallet in my pocket and possibly loosing my wallet... if my phone is lost, they have to go through 3 passwords before getting to my wallet.
Im thinking more of it as a "why not"... my phone is becoming more and more useful

out for a run with only my phone, need a drink, run into cvs, swipe phone

I used it at 7-11 yesterday just to test it with the free $10. It worked flawlessly but I don't see replacing my wallet until everyone accepts this interface.
I would use it more now if I was able to add my Wells Fargo debit card. Hopefully the ability to add any type of debit/credit card will be the next stag of evolution for this service.
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One advantage is that you can see all your previous transactions electronically more conveniently (not having to log into your credit card account, or wait a day or two before the transaction showing up there).
Another advantage is that coupons and deals can be used more easily. For example, right now if you go into Google Wallet, you can choose offers like 15% off entire purchase at Gap & Banana Republic when you pay with NFC. The offers are pretty limited right now, but I reserve my judgement until Google Wallet or Isis (Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile NFC payment system) take off.
In principle, it is more secure since even if you lost your phone, with your phone unlocked, other people can't use it for NFC payment since it requires an additional PIN code. But then of course losing the phone itself probably costs a lot too...
If Google Wallet or Isis gain traction, more credit card companies will jump in. And hopefully that means you can add more credit cards can be stored on your phone, eliminating the need to carry a number of physical cards.
Oh... and it saves a lot of time for a typical female not having to find an additional item in their over-stuffed purses.

Is Apple partially right?

Ive been thinking over this past couple days over a few things since the launch of iphone 5. One thing which caught my attention was lack of NFC in iphones 5th edition.
So I have NFC in my GS3 and its a cool feature to tell people about but I havent used it for anything. It's an upcoming technology and for now its nothing more useful than playing with nfc tags (which is fun). But would lack of NFC hurt anyone. How much would u have missed it if it wasnt in ur GS3?
I know some of us have been able to hack gwallet but i dont think a company like samsung makes decison based on some of us who can fully utilize a technology
(If u dont like my qn dont hate me, dont call me isheep or other names as ive never owned any iphone)
Looking for a healthy discussion
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I haven't used it either. Don't feel bad its not that big of a deal. What's the point of putting technology in a phone if it can't be used in practical life situations.
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the people that work at Apple are smart. Their stock is up right, now. But, they are on their way out.
They don't have the vision. Especially without Jobs to keep the public happy overpaying for apps and songs
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Well, I think NFC is an upcoming technology, and like any other before that, the success of a new technology depends on various factors such as adoption rate, business value added, ease of use, and the support of technology consumer in his case merchants and end user.
If Apple put NFC in their latest iphone, that will boost the adoption rate as like it or not they have millions users. However even without apple's support of NFC, if most of other smartphone manufacturer especially android put NFC in the phone and merchants start to accept NFC as mode of payment, I believe apple will put NFC in the next release of iphone.
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It's better to have it not need it.. than to need it not have it..
What bad is it doing us?

Very good point but I guess apple likes to prepare its user for an upcoming technology and then gradually guide them into its usage and then make money off of them, which they r doing thru passbook. Which isnt a bad way of selling a service coz my 60 yr old dad wont understand nfc netime if I throw my gs3 at him.
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I love NFC. I use my Google wallet wherever I can and using android beam is really cool.
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thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.

kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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Well I pray to God that doesn't happen and thankful it hasn't. So far I am enjoying my NFC chip
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kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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You could make an argument like that about anything. If you take vitamins for instance, I could say "If you're too lazy to eat the proper foods to get your vitamins, you deserve to die of malnutrition".
Back on topic, I don't ever use NFC but mainly because no one accepts it. Apple could have changed that, it'd have been a "magical" and "revolutionary" new technology.
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I don't have an S3 but I do know a little bit about the nfc card. As stated people who know what they are doing can steal your info from the chip. But the answer is aluminum. The chips cannot be read through it. Just like the "Aluma-Wallets" shown on tv, and the aluminum and tin mixture that is used prevents any connections to the chip. If someone could come out with an aluminum case for the S3 (there may already be one knowing this flaw) the chip would be safe. Or even a belt holster, that way you can still use the function of it but only when you want to.
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kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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Google Wallet ins't broadcasting your CC data over NFC all the time; you have to login to it and select the card you want to use. Then you swipe your phone by the reader and confirm the charge on the screen.
If my phone is lost/stolen, I have a PIN to login to the phone, another PIN to activate Google Wallet, and Cerebus running under root to allow me to remotely find it, take pictures of the person holding it, and wipe the phone's internal and SD memory; I don't have any kind of that security on my $10 wallet.
I would also much rather use NFC for purchases than to hand my credit card over to a restaurant server and let them go in the back and take pictures of the front & back of it with their cell phones.

And if you have a good enough bank it takes 5 minutes on the phone to put those funds right back where they belong if someone stole your credit card information from your phone like that. I stopped carrying cash 6 years ago. If this technology takes the only thing I'll need to carry is my phone with my driver's license wedged in the case.

Credit card data isn't stored on the phone. Purchases are authorized through a virtual Mastercard through Google and then Google processes that payment to your card. Your personal CC info is never transfered from the NFC on your phone.
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kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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What if you loose your wallet? To use Google wallet you need a pin to log in, plus Google wallet it's not on all the time, you need to log in and choose which card to use, but if you loose your wallet, most places don't ask for I'd so they can use the crap out of your card before you realize you lost it.
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I Definitely Think nfc is still a burgeoning technology, that just hasnt hit its stride, but its picking up, and now is the right time to have it, as its adoption rate will build over the next two years... The general life expectancy or our phones.
The thing ng with apple is they dont take risks ... They are slow and safe to adopt, and usually only do it, after a technology and its usefulness have been proven. Theyre strength is their ability to take a proven technology and reinvent it in away that is simplified and easy to use for the masses. So they wont take a risks on nfc yet... But they are slowly building the services to rely on it, once they do deploy. And deployment will only be after devices like ours have proven its usefulness.
That said, i myself am weary of using it for cc purposes... But i love it for other purposes such as data transfer, i.e. Android beam, S-beam, etc... Ive found them very useful and have used my nfc chip ti share data from my device to others with ease, more often than i expected. Also i believe with nfc, itll make wireless charging our devices possible, and im waiting to try that as well... So even w/o the cc stuff.. Nfc is proving itself to me everyday... Its just up to the user to determine the best use of it, for themselves.
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Much like every other new technology... why spend (and waste) money implementing it when it'd be nothing more than a novelty with no practical use. It's the reason they just now added LTE to the iPhone; until now no company has had a respectable LTE network. Apple doesn't need to gamble.
Back to the topic though, NFC is useless right now. It's nothing more than a novelty that you need to go out of your way to use on a daily basis. I absolutely love the idea of never having to carry a wallet again and would definitely adopt NFC into my day to day life... once the technology is mainstream.

Apple tries to dictate what people need...

Also i believe with nfc, itll make wireless charging our devices possible, and im waiting to try that as well...
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Third party charging pads may already be available, they come with a new back cover to make it work.

What bothers me about this post is the fact that one piece of technology is being judged over an entire list of more important key advancements that clearly makes a huge difference between the two devices. I'm not trying to sway anyones thoughts and im not going to point out the obvious but to isolate one feature and try to get people to ground the future development if it is underhanded.
In a year from now if NFC takes off and is supported everywhere Apple will change their tune and add it themselves with a better encryption feature of some sort and claim that NFC is only better due to Apple supporting it. Either way it comes down to what company finds it more relevant and who puts a better twist to the advertisement, what most people don't read is the fact its not new technology at all and agencies have been using it for years.
I don't know but its all drama no matter how its brought up it all depends if you the user can use it and if it makes your life easier, just the fact that you can put your medical info on it and hospitals can scan it in the event you can't speak for yourself at the ER makes a huge difference in my book.
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To root or not to root.

It's been a few years since I've had an Android phone. All my past phones I've rooted, for various reasons. Most of them involved custom kernels, themes, and Cyanogenmod. What are some of the best reasons to root, and best reasons to stay stock?
If I root, I'll need to return my phone to Verizon and order one from Google, or wait and hope someone unlocks the bootloader. Either way I'm returning it for the 128GB version.
Thoughts?

The main reason I root my device is for Adaway so I can block ads with the HOSTS file at a global level (no ads in apps, yay!). Heck, I already have the bootloader unlocked, don't care if it breaks Android Pay (don't use it anyways other then to store my rewards cards information) and waiting for cf to work his magic on getting root working on this sexy device.
Down side of rooting is that you don't get the updates that gets pushed out unless you do it yourself (that and no Android Pay if that's something you use like I said above).
In terms of keeping the Verizon version or getting the Google Play version, if it was me, I'd get the Google Play version (which is what I did, second time I've gotten a phone outside of Verizon so they can't control my device). Although I'm sure after enough time someone could probably crack the bootloader but you never know.

I root for many reasons. Prominent among them is the ability to change the colors of the UI. White backgrounds are hard on my eyes and so over the years I have used CMTE, Layers, TBO, and now Substratum to change to darker backgrounds. Some apps have a dark mode you can use without root, but many do not. Root opens up a whole new dimension of customizations not only in appearance but also in performance.

scsa20 said:
In terms of keeping the Verizon version or getting the Google Play version, if it was me, I'd get the Google Play version (which is what I did, second time I've gotten a phone outside of Verizon so they can't control my device). Although I'm sure after enough time someone could probably crack the bootloader but you never know.
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tmettler5 said:
If I root, I'll need to return my phone to Verizon and order one from Google, or wait and hope someone unlocks the bootloader. Either way I'm returning it for the 128GB version.
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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?

ringochan said:
I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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Probably because of the discounted 2 year or monthly payment option. Some smart people still have smaller budgets or wives who wouldn't understand laying out $800 - $1000 to replace a phone just because you want to root. Those people hope someone will figure out a way to unlock and root. I've got the money but my wife would go ballistic
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With all due respect, buying a google phone without rooting and tinkering with it is like going to michelin starred restaurant to pay $100 for a glass of water. Oh, and my reasons are the freedom of customizability and custom kernels, custom kernels can make your phone twice as fast with even better battery life if done right.

ringochan said:
I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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I didn't got it through Verizon. I said I got it through the Google Store (thus the outside of Verizon part). Screw getting phones through Verizon. Hate that they forced locked down bootloader's.

herandy said:
With all due respect, buying a google phone without rooting and tikering with it is like going to michelin starred restaurant to pay $100 for a glass of water. Oh, and my reasons are the freedom of customizability and custom kernels, custom kernels can make your phone twice as fast with even better battery life if done right.
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That was true with Nexus phones. The Pixel is being marketed as something else entirely. I think we'll be hard pressed to see any real gains from devs here. Google is putting a lot of work into these phones. I trust the minds at Google this time moreso than the devs on here.

Nitemare3219 said:
That was true with Nexus phones. The Pixel is being marketed as something else entirely. I think we'll be hard pressed to see any real gains from devs here. Google is putting a lot of work into these phones. I trust the minds at Google this time moreso than the devs on here.
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I'm not impressed with the "minds" at Google.
For me to pay that kind of price, I need, at least 5.75" screen, front stereo speakers, higher degree of water proofing. Also, to echo a famous quote : "White UIs must die!" And those bezels! Ugh!
Google assistant is nearly useless to those of us who prefer not to publicly audibilize our searches. So all I would gain would be a snappier OS and a first rate camera. Too many cons outweigh the pros. I wish Google and the sort of folks that they appear to be targeting all the best. I also hope there is much Dev activity for it.

ringochan said:
I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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Ease of access, availability, no need for an application for financing, the expectation that someone will crack the bootloader, buying in a no tax state.

wtherrell said:
I'm not impressed with the "minds" at Google.
For me to pay that kind of price, I need, at least 5.75" screen, front stereo speakers, higher degree of water proofing. Also, to echo a famous quote : "White UIs must die!" And those bezels! Ugh!
Google assistant is nearly useless to those of us who prefer not to publicly audibilize our searches. So all I would gain would be a snappier OS and a first rate camera. Too many cons outweigh the pros. I wish Google and the sort of folks that they appear to be targeting all the best. I also hope there is much Dev activity for it.
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-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).

Nitemare3219 said:
-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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I do hope they tweak it later to allow typing to the assistant like Allo but I guess then it's not a whole lot different than typing in the search bar anyways.

Nitemare3219 said:
-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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Good points. I'm glad you trust the uncaring public. I, however, don't. I guess I am just slightly paranoid that way. Also there are many situations where it might disturb other folks to have me gabbing on my phone. Sure, assistant is neat but just not worth it to me. Still, I find myself checking on the availability of the 128gb model as if I am irresistibly drawn to it. My heart wants it but my head is saying no.

There's every reason to root, and only one reason to not root.
Reasons to root:
Kernel modifications to increase battery life. (Sure the Pixel can go 2 days easily on one charge, but why not make it 3?).
Filesystem access. The heart of any computer should at the very least give you filesystem access. It boggles the mind why phones won't give this option when this is a computer that you carry with you every day. Maybe you want to write your own apps, hide personal files somewhere outside of the visible directories like Downloads.
Breaking down barriers carriers put forth to limit you in a walled garden. Whatever it may be. Video codecs for example. Open source media servers that aren't approved on the app stores, I can go on and on.
Only reason to not root:
Android Pay. I absolutely love this ability. I personally think that you SHOULD be able to use this option while rooted. Using SU app, and encryption of your card should be enough to protect your card information. (Don't say it can't because it can.) Rooted apps cannot work unless you give them access via the SU app as added security, and even if they manage to grab your encrypted card information because you allowed some program you've never heard of root access and it steals your encrypted account information, it would take them 1 million years to brute force decrypt it if using a high enough encryption scheme on it. You can just change your virtual account on a whim, and do so ever 6 months, cancelling your old account in case it was ever grabbed making the old one null and void for the hacker if he does eventually get lucky and break it. Your account will never get owned if these practices were followed.
Blatently not allowing you choice to use something like android pay is big brother coddling you like a baby. I'm a grown ass man, and know how to secure my ****. If you don't know how to, then you shouldn't be doing it as your the reason Google puts these sort of restrictions on phones like mine.

MichaelMcC said:
Probably because of the discounted 2 year or monthly payment option. Some smart people still have smaller budgets or wives who wouldn't understand laying out $800 - $1000 to replace a phone just because you want to root. Those people hope someone will figure out a way to unlock and root. I've got the money but my wife would go ballistic
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You are actually confusing me more. I checked both Verizon and Google Store's pricings and financing options and saw they are pretty much the same.
Verizon -- $0 Down (for qualified customers) $36.24/mo for 24 months; 0% APR Retail Price: $869.99 -- sim locked maybe?, and locked bootloader.
Google Store -- $869.00 or $36.21 / Month x 24 times, thru Google Store Financing -- sim free, and unlockable bootloader.
scsa20 said:
I didn't got it through Verizon. I said I got it through the Google Store (thus the outside of Verizon part). Screw getting phones through Verizon. Hate that they forced locked down bootloader's.
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Exactly!:laugh:
tmettler5 said:
Ease of access, availability, no need for an application for financing, the expectation that someone will crack the bootloader, buying in a no tax state.
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nikitis said:
There's every reason to root, and only one reason to not root.
Reasons to root:
Kernel modifications to increase battery life. (Sure the Pixel can go 2 days easily on one charge, but why not make it 3?).
Filesystem access. The heart of any computer should at the very least give you filesystem access. It boggles the mind why phones won't give this option when this is a computer that you carry with you every day. Maybe you want to write your own apps, hide personal files somewhere outside of the visible directories like Downloads.
Breaking down barriers carriers put forth to limit you in a walled garden. Whatever it may be. Video codecs for example. Open source media servers that aren't approved on the app stores, I can go on and on.
Only reason to not root:
Android Pay. I absolutely love this ability. I personally think that you SHOULD be able to use this option while rooted. Using SU app, and encryption of your card should be enough to protect your card information. (Don't say it can't because it can.) Rooted apps cannot work unless you give them access via the SU app as added security, and even if they manage to grab your encrypted card information because you allowed some program you've never heard of root access and it steals your encrypted account information, it would take them 1 million years to brute force decrypt it if using a high enough encryption scheme on it. You can just change your virtual account on a whim, and do so ever 6 months, cancelling your old account in case it was ever grabbed making the old one null and void for the hacker if he does eventually get lucky and break it. Your account will never get owned if these practices were followed.
Blatently not allowing you choice to use something like android pay is big brother coddling you like a baby. I'm a grown ass man, and know how to secure my ****. If you don't know how to, then you shouldn't be doing it as your the reason Google puts these sort of restrictions on phones like mine.
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More reasons to root:
o backup and restore apk and data anytime.
o nandroid backup for ability to test things.
o custom roms for obvious reasons.
o exposed anyone?
o ability to upgrade to new os versions even after phone makers stopped supporting the devices.
o to satisfy the addictive urge to flash every week!
The SafetyNet is a great threat for most of us here. Some apps, including Android Pay, won't run anymore. If more apps start utilizing the system, we won't be able to enjoy our phones and everyone will be migrating to the Appleland:crying:

Forget this phone, and android, moving to iPhone

I've been been on android since the g1 days, got every new android phone that everyone said was great. I had the first galaxy phone, the original nexus 1, the nexus 5, the htc one, the oneplus 3t, even note phones. Today I decided to leave this inferior product behind. How delusional have I been saying android is better all this time. Here's the thing, iPhone works. I can no longer connect to WiFi networks anymore because of some security update. I am still pissed I paid for a camera I can't use. I'm tired of missing calls because this phone decides to put itself on do not disturb. The final straw that broke the camels back is location settings and privacy. Apple decided to let people protect their privacy, google is actively trying to stop people from protecting their privacy. Take for example find my phone which is useless now unless you have location turned on at all times. WHY......? I am able to turn on location remotely on Samsung phones but here is google blocking your from doing it. If you loose your phone your freaked unless you let google know exactly where you are 24 hours a day. Forget GOOGLE, Forget ANDROID, Forget ONEPLUS!
{Mod edit: Title and OP adjusted to comply with rule no. 2 - Oswald Boelcke)

tommynosedigger said:
I've been been on android since the g1 days, got every new android phone that everyone said was great. I had the first galaxy phone, the original nexus 1, the nexus 5, the htc one, the oneplus 3t, even note phones. Today I decided to leave this inferior product behind. How delusional have I been saying android is better all this time. Here's the thing, iPhone works. I can no longer connect to WiFi networks anymore because of some security update. I am still pissed I paid for a camera I can't use. I'm tired of missing calls because this phone decides to put itself on do not disturb. The final straw that broke the camels back is location settings and privacy. Apple decided to let people protect their privacy, google is actively trying to stop people from protecting their privacy. Take for example find my phone which is useless now unless you have location turned on at all times. WHY......? I am able to turn on location remotely on Samsung phones but here is google blocking your from doing it. If you loose your phone your freaked unless you let google know exactly where you are 24 hours a day. Forget GOOGLE, Forget ANDROID, Forget ONEPLUS!
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Um wtf, what the heck is wrong lool.
Technically if I hacked your google account, I know is where you are.
So that might be good.
Otherwise of location, you can disable every app instead of the system applications related to find my phone.
I use an iPhone and I can say I support the only use location while using the app and such features.
But apple fracks up in regards to downloading stuff and is more restrictive than android.
Plus my iPhone apps are all 110 mb lmao, my mobile data will finish soon if I download anything.
NOT TO MENTION THE 1GB CACHE in a single APP THAT TAKES UP MY PHONE STORAGE IN AN APP, for 0 reasons idk why there's that much cache.
THANK GOD I BOUGHT THE 128GB VARIANT.

I've used iPhones. I never liked them even though they "work".
Huh.
So does my 10+ and it's drop dead gorgeous. Looking exactly like I want it too.
A steeper learning curve but with many more options. I would have paid $400 more for 512gb of iPhone memory and not had the additional 1tb expansion capacity. All my PCs are dual drive or higher with 1GB of storage or more.
My favorite one fits in my hand...
Note: iPhone maps work so much better than Gmaps, other than that... I'm not impressed.
Lol, Gmaps suck, always have.

Just because you can't configure your Android in a way you're happy with doesn't mean the alternative is better in every way. Particularly, I don't like your attitude about the location tracking, like Apple is actually better, well I'm here to tell you they're not. Have you heard of Wi-Fi scanning? It allows Wi-Fi networks to track your location more accurately than GPS quite often because of Wi-Fi triangulation. And you can't turn that off on iPhone, even when you turn Wi-Fi off, your phone is triangulating Wi-Fi letting Apple always know your location, and on addition, Google because most of those routers report WiFi info to Google.
If you want a privacy respecting location tracking tool, like the Find My apps, you shouldn't be relying on your OEM anyways, whether it be Google or Apple or Samsung.
As someone who's used both platforms, I wouldn't blame you if you use an iPhone and like the usability more, but your rage induced reasoning here doesn't seem all that informed or thought out.

thats_the_guy said:
Just because you can't configure your Android in a way you're happy with doesn't mean the alternative is better in every way. Particularly, I don't like your attitude about the location tracking, like Apple is actually better, well I'm here to tell you they're not. Have you heard of Wi-Fi scanning? It allows Wi-Fi networks to track your location more accurately than GPS quite often because of Wi-Fi triangulation. And you can't turn that off on iPhone, even when you turn Wi-Fi off, your phone is triangulating Wi-Fi letting Apple always know your location, and on addition, Google because most of those routers report WiFi info to Google.
If you want a privacy respecting location tracking tool, like the Find My apps, you shouldn't be relying on your OEM anyways, whether it be Google or Apple or Samsung.
As someone who's used both platforms, I wouldn't blame you if you use an iPhone and like the usability more, but your rage induced reasoning here doesn't seem all that informed or thought out.
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Well, Seconding this post. I agree, in my latent opinion it is clear that both platforms have pros and cons respectively.

The iPhone settings are a mess... they give me a headache. Way too dumbed down.
Plus I doubt there's a package disabler that works on a stock iPhone
Just stuck with what and how they give it to you.
No.

Problem you have is you literally cannot do anything with an iPhone.
Least with Android you can root and make changes.
This is no longer an option for you, not only that but if you do get the latest and greatest then you'll be paying the highest possible premium in the world for it.
Sorry but apple just do not tick anywhere close to every box, they can't due to their ecosystem.
Then there's the emulators, root tools, mods, ability to freely copy things to and from your device, I can send an entire folder structure over android beam, my choice, my way.
Sure Google has got a little Adolf Hitler over these last few years, but apple is the bloody antichrist in comparison.
More to that point, you will not be ruling in hell. You'll be more of a slave to apple than you ever were to android.
And as a g1 user, I think you should be ashamed of yourself if you can't understand the benefits of android over apple, yes they're a little cleaner and a little shinier, but the benefits are superficial and skin deep.
If you have an issue, let us know, we'll try to help.
If you are the issue then perhaps being a slave to apple will suit you.
Either way, ranting with no point to make is not the way I would have went.

dladz said:
Problem you have is you literally cannot do anything with an iPhone.
Least with Android you can root and make changes.
This is no longer an option for you, not only that but if you do get the latest and greatest then you'll be paying the highest possible premium in the world for it.
Sorry but apple just do not tick anywhere close to every box, they can't due to their ecosystem.
Then there's the emulators, root tools, mods, ability to freely copy things to and from your device, I can send an entire folder structure over android beam, my choice, my way.
Sure Google has got a little Adolf Hitler over these last few years, but apple is the bloody antichrist in comparison.
More to that point, you will not be ruling in hell. You'll be more of a slave to apple than you ever were to android.
And as a g1 user, I think you should be ashamed of yourself if you can't understand the benefits of android over apple, yes they're a little cleaner and a little shinier, but the benefits are superficial and skin deep.
If you have an issue, let us know, we'll try to help.
If you are the issue then perhaps being a slave to apple will suit you.
Either way, ranting with no point to make is not the way I would have went.
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search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android

da4vidpl said:
search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
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Probably no jailebreak for newer ios

MariusKv said:
nie ma jailebreak dla nowszych ios
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Ios 14.5, 14.6

da4vidpl said:
search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
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Please elaborate.
You're wrong, you couldn't be more wrong, but again please try to elaborate.
Understand this, iOS is closed source, Android is not..
Source is released.
Plus if you jailbreak you aren't hiding it, lots of apps will fail, more so than Android
And you can do more? Lol. Talk to me

Kenora_I said:
Um wtf, what the heck is wrong lool.
Technically if I hacked your google account, I know is where you are.
So that might be good.
Otherwise of location, you can disable every app instead of the system applications related to find my phone.
I use an iPhone and I can say I support the only use location while using the app and such features.
But apple fracks up in regards to downloading stuff and is more restrictive than android.
Plus my iPhone apps are all 110 mb lmao, my mobile data will finish soon if I download anything.
NOT TO MENTION THE 1GB CACHE in a single APP THAT TAKES UP MY PHONE STORAGE IN AN APP, for 0 reasons idk why there's that much cache.
THANK GOD I BOUGHT THE 128GB VARIANT.
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Well that's what 2 factor authentication is for. I have had that active for years. Whats the point of disabling access to other applications when applications can just keep tabs on other applications. How about battery life? This has irked me ever since android removed the option to turn off GPS and leave location on. They obviously did it for a reason, to get more accurate information about you. BTW it has been reported that google actively tries to bury and confuse users about its location settings. I'm not worried about my data, plan I don't pay it, but if I did what good does it do me since I can't connect to any enterprise wifi. I spend half of my day at work unable to connect to WiFi an relying solely on data.

blackhawk said:
I've used iPhones. I never liked them even though they "work".
Huh.
So does my 10+ and it's drop dead gorgeous. Looking exactly like I want it too.
A steeper learning curve but with many more options. I would have paid $400 more for 512gb of iPhone memory and not had the additional 1tb expansion capacity. All my PCs are dual drive or higher with 1GB of storage or more.
My favorite one fits in my hand...
Note: iPhone maps work so much better than Gmaps, other than that... I'm not impressed.
Lol, Gmaps suck, always have.
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I gave up on Samsung too, I hate their update lottery. My favorite computer is also my phone that's why wifi is important to me. I used to print documents straight from my phone at work because it is faster. I can't do that anymore. Unless I downgrade to a more unsecure version of android. Whats the point of security updates if I have to downgrade making my phone more vounarable just to get basic functionality back.

thats_the_guy said:
Just because you can't configure your Android in a way you're happy with doesn't mean the alternative is better in every way. Particularly, I don't like your attitude about the location tracking, like Apple is actually better, well I'm here to tell you they're not. Have you heard of Wi-Fi scanning? It allows Wi-Fi networks to track your location more accurately than GPS quite often because of Wi-Fi triangulation. And you can't turn that off on iPhone, even when you turn Wi-Fi off, your phone is triangulating Wi-Fi letting Apple always know your location, and on addition, Google because most of those routers report WiFi info to Google.
If you want a privacy respecting location tracking tool, like the Find My apps, you shouldn't be relying on your OEM anyways, whether it be Google or Apple or Samsung.
As someone who's used both platforms, I wouldn't blame you if you use an iPhone and like the usability more, but your rage induced reasoning here doesn't seem all that informed or thought out.
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Lets assume I'm not a noob......... Let's assume I can actually configure phones to my liking like I have been doing so since the very first android came out. Lets assume I have been here for the whole ride since cyanogenmod. Configuration is not the issue. I would not care if it was just google tracking me. I can disable location history but that's not the issue here. Your making this issue about one thing. Read my post its an aggregate of things. Again this is basic functionality. Sony got sued for removing the ability to load linux to its system, here is oneplus completely dissabling and rendering useless something they charged money for.

da4vidpl said:
search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
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It's a joke isn't it ?
Each Jailbreak depend a hack / breach, so each time you must wait for a jalbreak for a new iOS version or iOS fixed version (Apple block each time Jailbreak on new version). Above all even with Jailbreak there a lot of things not availbable on iOS, and the first reason is now all iOS users don't care Jailbreak... They want the lastest iOS version without headache.
For Android, Root is for a lot of OEM granted/allowed (OnePlus, Xiaomi, OPPO, Vivo, etc...) and don't void warranty, only Desimlock tools / Changing IMEI void warranty.
This OEM share their model kernel source and root can be granted by simply patching boot and/or using a custom recovery like TWRP.

blackhawk said:
The iPhone settings are a mess... they give me a headache. Way too dumbed down.
Plus I doubt there's a package disabler that works on a stock iPhone
Just stuck with what and how they give it to you.
No.
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Well were often stuck with what android gives us. Like updates, my sons g6 never got one. You complain that your stuck with what they give you but you are content with the mess android is accross its many vendors. It's been 13 years since android came out and every year a new plan to make updating easier. Remember project treble? All failed promises.

tommynosedigger said:
I gave up on Samsung too, I hate their update lottery. My favorite computer is also my phone that's why wifi is important to me. I used to print documents straight from my phone at work because it is faster. I can't do that anymore. Unless I downgrade to a more unsecure version of android. Whats the point of security updates if I have to downgrade making my phone more vounarable just to get basic functionality back.
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The security hype is just that. My 10+ Pie does fine in the real world. Same firmware/updates for the last 1.5 years.
Your mistake was updating.
I picked off a trojan preloader and a malware jpeg over a year ago, no damage.
That same malware likely breach the latest updated Pixel just as easily. In the last year zero breaches.
A phone is only as secure as the person who operates it. I don't use wifi and limit bt use in high usage areas because vulnerabilities in this OS... which also have never nailed me. Regardless all my data is redundantly safeguarded and a complete reload takes me about 2 hours with no internet because I have a SD card/data drive*. So even if I get nailed it's not going to eat too much time. I'm readily to reload *now* if need be.
*if that's compromised add another 5-6 hours to the reload time. Still no critital data loss.

dladz said:
Problem you have is you literally cannot do anything with an iPhone.
Least with Android you can root and make changes.
This is no longer an option for you, not only that but if you do get the latest and greatest then you'll be paying the highest possible premium in the world for it.
Sorry but apple just do not tick anywhere close to every box, they can't due to their ecosystem.
Then there's the emulators, root tools, mods, ability to freely copy things to and from your device, I can send an entire folder structure over android beam, my choice, my way.
Sure Google has got a little Adolf Hitler over these last few years, but apple is the bloody antichrist in comparison.
More to that point, you will not be ruling in hell. You'll be more of a slave to apple than you ever were to android.
And as a g1 user, I think you should be ashamed of yourself if you can't understand the benefits of android over apple, yes they're a little cleaner and a little shinier, but the benefits are superficial and skin deep.
If you have an issue, let us know, we'll try to help.
If you are the issue then perhaps being a slave to apple will suit you.
Either way, ranting with no point to make is not the way I would have went.
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I should be ashamed of myself? LMAO I have 0 brand or platform loyalty. Go look at my last posts on roms, questions go unanswered for weeks. Good to know I have to root my phone just to make it functional because that's what we have all been doing all this time. You act like its a feature instead of a coping mechanism. Slave to apple lmao a little dramatic no.......? Lets get something straight I am not a fanboy. The minute I get tired of apple ill drop them too. I am just tired of all this shenanigans I am well aware of all of apples limitations. Theres is plenty I am giving up here I understand that better than anyone but I would like to have basic abilty of having my phone (its primary purpose) ring. I'm not the only one having this issue dont act like I am in a bubble.

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I should be ashamed of myself? LMAO I have 0 brand or platform loyalty. Go look at my last posts on roms, questions go unanswered for weeks. Good to know I have to root my phone just to make it functional because that's what we have all been doing all this time. You act like its a feature instead of a coping mechanism. Slave to apple lmao a little dramatic no.......? Lets get something straight I am not a fanboy. The minute I get tired of apple ill drop them too. I am just tired of all this shenanigans I am well aware of all of apples limitations. Theres is plenty I am giving up here I understand that better than anyone but I would like to have basic abilty of having my phone (its primary purpose) ring. I'm not the only one having this issue dont act like I am in a bubble.
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Your questions go unanswered? Oh wow so you're a needy, spoilt child? You sound like you've never worked for anything in their life!
Your questions go unanswered????
Get a grip on your life son. The last question I put in the 8 Pro forum went unanswered, why? Cos probably it's a difficult question to answer, or someone didn't want to say what they thought cos they felt ashamed! Or they just didn't have the confidence to say what they feel.
Either way you're dropping a brand, a phone and a company cos you were impatient??
Since the G1 days??
I'm from the G1 days yes I was there on day zero and again with the hero, then the desire HD and the one.
I've never seen a guide from you. Or a tool or a helping hand..
You're a spoilt child, you want it all yesterday, you're willing to give nothing! The Devs on Android have given "years!!!!" Not days or weeks, and now decades, so what? Can moan?? Zero contribution and maximum take!!!
I'm not the matter of coding but I've made it my business to contribute, you've done nothing and took everything, whilst being super ungrateful!!!
You take and you take, it's quite obvious.
Now you're throwing your rattle out your pram..
Please, go chill with apple, we as a community have lost nothing but a leech.
Apple has added a volume to its plethora of bots.
I'm sure you'll be happy.
The completely wrong choice but hey, when you know you know right?
PS:. I'm 99% confident I could have fixed all of your issues either in person or remotely, but you'd have to give me a Charlize Theron massage to get be to help you now, you've made me revert so slightly ill
And I would have, for zero cash, just to help you, just to make sure you're ok!??
Good luck finding these types of guys with apple, lol never!!
Lol.
I'm fine with your thread, it's weak.
I was nice to you and all you could take away was me saying ashamed!
( Your do realise I said that for a reason right?)
Guess not.
Bye bye, enjoy your £1800 2015 phone with less memory than you need and more optimization than you can use.
Any more bad vibes, please message me directly I do not want to annoy XDA mods.
I know you're so wrong, thing is so do you!!
You just have no imagination, and you've either Bennett been able to delve down deep enough to explain an issue or you're lazy!!!
IPhones stand alone with certain tasks, but they're left behind with most things.
Do these things
1. Send me a Bluetooth file
2. Send me a folder from your phone
3. Send me a movie stored on your device
4. Fire up an emulator
5. Use your phone as a pc
6 Overclock your CPU and GPU
7. Turn off your page file, zram, swap file
8. Kill people off the WiFi you're connected to!!
9. Download and keep Adobe lightroom for free!!!! (Lol with apple??? Hahaha nope)
10. Beat my all time SOT legend score.
11. Huawei P20 Pro - 2 days- 17 hours 37 minute's in one charge.
12. Use two SIM's one phone!
13. Install a third party application within 1 minute of opening your phone's box
14. Copy all your unofficial (now lost) music from your phone to a blank external drive.
15. Try to get help on XDA for your phone!
16. Move the clock
17. Make the phone louder
18. Connect to an android watch
19. Share screen on an average Android box
20. Let me mod and use your phone as a microphone which can broadcast everything round it!!
The answer is no, and if it's no today then jailbreak wise it may be no tomorrow.
Where Android make the door wider, apple tries to close it.
Apple people are just horrific, self righteous, loathes who usually would just pay a bill blindly than check and then pay.
Tbh the way you've reacted you pay for the bill.
This is my last message on this thread to you. You're either too short sighted to see my point or too too proud to accept the help you've been offered, you have a OnePlus phone. I could turn that I to a beast!! Truly.
Btw my friend boarded a private jet and his iPhones glass over the camera cracked on the table in front of him.
Apple told him he did it, no warranty.
Bruce Willis in his peak - "if I die can I pay my music and movie collection to my daughter?"
Apple: - "no you cannot!"
Good luck lad.

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