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Did the leak make anyone decide on getting the Nexus?

So playing around with the leak the past day and half has made me decide that I'll be getting the Nexus when it comes out, or waiting for another ICS device released with it out the box.
It was way to Gingerbread feeling for me. It didn't feel new to me. Even with the ICS launcher instead of the TW one. I know it isn't a final release, but this is basically what we are going to see.
I also know the devs do an awesome job for this phone, but I don't know if they are going to fix this up good enough for me not to just jump on what ICS was meant to be.
I understand why Samsung did it this way, but huge disappointment.

You do realize that someone, here in our very own forum, is working on putting aosp on our phone, right? Which means it will be _exactly_ what ics was meant to be.

tejasrichard said:
You do realize that someone, here in our very own forum, is working on putting aosp on our phone, right? Which means it will be _exactly_ what ics was meant to be.
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I realize that, but we still don't have an AOSP GB that works perfectly......
Like I said I love the devs....but idk I'll wait and see if they get it done.

Go get the Nexus, enjoy!

I might be a minority in thought, but I actually am not impressed with ASOP, for some reason, it just feels a little half baked. Back in the day, I flashed an ASOP rom on my original Epic and EVO, and let a normal user try it for a day. They looked so lost compared to their iPhone.
Not wanting to make this into a pissing match, but I see the appeal of overlays such as TouchWiz or HTC Sense. From a customer experience perspective, the overlay is what sells the device, not the version of Android. The users of this board, and similar forums, make up a small percentage of actual buyers.

gpgorbosjr said:
Even with the ICS launcher instead of the TW one. I know it isn't a final release, but this is basically what we are going to see.
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does not compute. ICS launcher on our phone will be the same as the ICS launcher on the Nexus....

DevalB said:
I might be a minority in thought, but I actually am not impressed with ASOP, for some reason, it just feels a little half baked. Back in the day, I flashed an ASOP rom on my original Epic and EVO, and let a normal user try it for a day. They looked so lost compared to their iPhone.
Not wanting to make this into a pissing match, but I see the appeal of overlays such as TouchWiz or HTC Sense. From a customer experience perspective, the overlay is what sells the device, not the version of Android. The users of this board, and similar forums, make up a small percentage of actual buyers.
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It is AOSP. And a normal user is an iPhone user? This statement is just full of not adding up, huh?
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Nothing wrong with it... Its ics power with the colorfull look and feel of gb... Its a phone patna not a lexus!
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Galaxy !?!?!
Pshhhh
iPhone is where it's at

cnstarz said:
does not compute. ICS launcher on our phone will be the same as the ICS launcher on the Nexus....
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If I'm not mistaken you cannot resize widgets on our phone like you can with the Nexus....
Also, I'm wondering if the widgets function differently on a normal ICS install....for example adding a contact to the home screen. On the preview it shows that what they text you comes up on the home screen, but in actual usage of it only their name comes up and never switches from that..

gpgorbosjr said:
If I'm not mistaken you cannot resize widgets on our phone like you can with the Nexus....
Also, I'm wondering if the widgets function differently on a normal ICS install....for example adding a contact to the home screen. On the preview it shows that what they text you comes up on the home screen, but in actual usage of it only their name comes up and never switches from that..
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that's because we only have a leaked beta version...

cnstarz said:
that's because we only have a leaked beta version...
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I'm not convinced, but we will see......
Are the new ICS widgets available using the TW Launcher? I am currently restoring EL29 and can't check. I thought they didn't when I was using it but am not sure.
I'm not totally convinced Samsung intends on including some of the features like resizing widgets, but I guess I'll have to wait and find out...

Samsung will try o deliver as much of a user-friendly experience as they can.
Remember that Google put a lot of restrictions on OEM skins with ICS. You aren't going to get the heavy skinning on ICS like you did with GB. They did this because they want ICS to look like ICS, not TouchWiz, MotoBlur, or Sense. That's why you have the option to revert to the ICS launcher. If you want AOSP experience, simply stick with Calkulin's leaked version and run ICS launcher until Cyanogen comes out with CM9.
But then again, I don't make six figures and have $600+ to blow on a Nexus, so.

dude
I've had the ics on my nexus and also on my vibrant but ONCE again the potential of this device overshadows any type of os for me and for most .. idk I just find myself actually using the browser ..phone ... apps..watching movies more than the little things a lot of the people talk about getting a nexus s for.... I say have fun I'm about the go not the show. Just like my cars

azyouthinkeyeiz said:
It is AOSP. And a normal user is an iPhone user? This statement is just full of not adding up, huh?
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Yeah that's what happens when you think faster than you type.
What I was trying to say is that when you compare ICS as a build and UI experience, it is catching up, but there is a reason why overlays such as Sense and TouchWiz exist, as they really improve the experience for that common Android user. I've used the Nexus, and I still go back to the Epic Touch, just feels better in my opinion.

iSaint said:
Galaxy !?!?!
Pshhhh
iPhone is where it's at
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Pffft yeah right! It's all about the galaxy nexus
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Tripsyk said:
Samsung will try o deliver as much of a user-friendly experience as they can.
Remember that Google put a lot of restrictions on OEM skins with ICS. You aren't going to get the heavy skinning on ICS like you did with GB. They did this because they want ICS to look like ICS, not TouchWiz, MotoBlur, or Sense. That's why you have the option to revert to the ICS launcher. If you want AOSP experience, simply stick with Calkulin's leaked version and run ICS launcher until Cyanogen comes out with CM9.
But then again, I don't make six figures and have $600+ to blow on a Nexus, so.
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Neither do I, but I didn't use my upgrade on my E4GT.....I used a combination of my old phones and some video games in a Craigslist trade. So I still have an upgrade for when the Nexus comes out, but I was hoping to keep the E4GT and wait on the upgrade if ICS impressed me enough on it.

gpgorbosjr said:
If I'm not mistaken you cannot resize widgets on our phone like you can with the Nexus....
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I am running NOVA right now and I am able to resize widgets, there is an option in NOVA settings. i am not sure about AOSP launcher but you can do it with NOVA.

durhamite said:
I am running NOVA right now and I am able to resize widgets, there is an option in NOVA settings. i am not sure about AOSP launcher but you can do it with NOVA.
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I'll check it out when one of the devs get a smoother ICS rom up and running.
I actually went back to Blazer for now because the phone ran a little bit sluggish compared to GB and sometimes my notifications dont work....if I turned system sounds off it would stop my text notifications....and the vibration doesn't work unless the phone is on vibrate.......both things I understand are from it being a leak.

I applaud the dev's for putting up with so much whining. It's a beta build leak and the aosp is an alpha build. If dev dont release a beta build people whine saying it takes to long. When they give this forum whatever they have finished so far... more whining about bugs and stuff not working... -_- .

Is ICS really that good?

I don't know :/ Initially everything I read about it suggested that it used some form of hardware acceleration to make phones run much smoother. However, after seeing many speed tests between the Droid Razr and the Galaxy Nexus (both using TI OMAP4 chips, razr has GB and GN uses ICS) the Razr smokes the Nexus in every aspect. And I understand there are many other factors involved that could play into that, but in general it seems people's experiences with ICS point to it being much more bogged down then GB ever was. I don't know, anyone else have thoughts on this :/

Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.

It probably just depends on optimization and other stuffs. Processor doesn't determine everything, although it does help. I personally like the TW ICS and it's pretty smooth to me.

Ics gapps like youtube is one of the big big reasons why I stay and its just something different from gingerbread.
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EpicFlair said:
Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.
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Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/

ICS on my phone is a minimum upgrade that works good for me but when my tab went from Honeycomb to ICS it made a much larger impact. I think ICS brings all the capable devices together and Jellybean will be the one that solidifies Android.
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We all love something new, and we all love eyecandy.
If GB is working fine for you right now, you won't gain much at all moving to ICS.

The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.

pbassjunk said:
The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.
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So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?

batting1000 said:
So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?
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[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*

MultiLockOn said:
Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/
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Google is on a yearly release schedule for major Android releases. Jelly Bean or whatever it'll be called was planned well before ICS was shown to the public.
And ICS on skinned devices isn't much of an upgrade, especially with the mess that is Touchwiz. This is due to the (correct) belief on Samsung's part that Android is more complicated and "ugly" than the average user wants/expects. Some of their feature enhancements are useful, but the visual is just awful. On its own, Touchwiz isn't worse than vanilla GB, but you can't use Touchwiz on its own. There are always elements of vanilla GB that show and that makes the entire thing an uncoordinated mess.
Android has reached a point where Google can work on refining the OS with small features. More importantly, ICS is the start of a unified and unique theme that can set Android visually apart from iOS and WP7 which look much better than any Android phone shipping with GB.
Of course, none of that matters since OEMs insist on skinning their phones. I had hoped Samsung would've followed HTC and toned down the skinning for the new version of Touchwiz, but that was a pipe dream considering the number of SGSII's they sold. My biggest problem with Touchwiz is that it doesn't mesh with the Holo theme at all which I hope app developers would use, allowing for a more unified Android look.
What I'm trying to say is: No, ICS is not that much of an upgrade from GB. But, ICS is that important to Android and its future.

pbassjunk said:
[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*
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I actually love ICS especially the last few leaks. Everything seems so fast and efficient to me
Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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JohnCorleone said:
Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.

kingdazy said:
now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.
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Yeah Miui with 4g will be huge! He solved it on NS4G and is building a ROM now. After that (or maybe already) other Miui.us guys like TCP should have access to his code or changes to the code
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I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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in its stock form hell yea

TrayLunch said:
I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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How do you do that?
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DT

Well, I had it switched from the touchwiz launcher to the stock launcher. I don't think that makes a difference though. Manage apps> all> select an app> if it's a stock app instead of the uninstall option, it'll have disable. Beats the greyed out block that's on GB.
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Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Majin101 said:
Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Totally agree with you, and I did the latter because of the battery life and I'm waiting for them to polish out the bugs I found. The title of the thread is asking for peoples opinions and evaluations of ICS. You have to understand that some people are not going to share your point of view.
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Are you still rooting and using roms

I've been doing all that stuff on the last three phones that I've had ( Droid x, Droid 3, galaxy nexus) and I've done if for fun never because I had to do to something I didn't like about the phone. Now that I have at&t s3 I've not had the urge to do it. As of now I am on a rom but really thinking about going back to stock. I had to try out cm10 which was cool. But I think I finnaly have a phone that I feel is very good at giving me what I want. The other phones it just felt better on roms. This phone runs the smoothest and is the fastest one I've ever had, even the battery is great. Roms are fun but I got a little tired of all the setting up I had to do after downloading. Still kinda fun but I find myself putting on a rom then not being blown away with it like I used to be. I think the sg3 is that good of a phone. I would like to know if some of you feel the same way with this phone. I do think that I'm going to go back to stock and unroot as well. But the cool thing is that its easy to root again if something comes out that I've got to have. I kinda feel that there are a lot of people that have rooted other phones before but are not doing it now. I could be wrong I just don' see as many threads about it, at least not on other forums. Granted that this forum is mostly about roms.
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I'll be using aokp as soon as it's ready. As for now I am quite content to wait for stability on stock.
-Hai guise I haz problems on the pre-alpha release and I don't know why.

Yea rooted stock flies! By far the best TouchWiz has ever been on any device! I like aosp but its not quite ready for daily driving.

spacecasespiff said:
I've been doing all that stuff on the last three phones that I've had ( Droid x, Droid 3, galaxy nexus) and I've done if for fun never because I had to do to something I didn't like about the phone. Now that I have at&t s3 I've not had the urge to do it. As of now I am on a rom but really thinking about going back to stock. I had to try out cm10 which was cool. But I think I finnaly have a phone that I feel is very good at giving me what I want. The other phones it just felt better on roms. This phone runs the smoothest and is the fastest one I've ever had, even the battery is great. Roms are fun but I got a little tired of all the setting up I had to do after downloading. Still kinda fun but I find myself putting on a rom then not being blown away with it like I used to be. I think the sg3 is that good of a phone. I would like to know if some of you feel the same way with this phone. I do think that I'm going to go back to stock and unroot as well. But the cool thing is that its easy to root again if something comes out that I've got to have. I kinda feel that there are a lot of people that have rooted other phones before but are not doing it now. I could be wrong I just don' see as many threads about it, at least not on other forums. Granted that this forum is mostly about roms.
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Though I will probably try CM10, I actually have not even thought twice about changing ROMs with this phone. I've been happy with what I have, and it is as smooth as I could want. But ... who knows, that may change once CM10 becomes completely stable.
I was in the same boat - I couldn't stop flashing new roms and tinkering with my old android phones (DX, Inc., Thunderbolt)

Samsung did a great job with this device and touch wiz. I don't feel cyanogen is really necessary anymore. I will stay rooted because I want to. I don't like the adware that is involved from carriers plus carrier iq is horrible. Cyanogen and aokp were cool for older phones because they added features phones didn't have. But these days with the features and capabilities of phones these days. I think they are more for the minimalist. The I have had my phone using 1.6 gigs of my team and there was this no issue. I can say I agree that this phone hit the nail on the head. Good to see other people agree
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Stock & unrooted - I'm satisfied at this point. It'll take one awesome Rom to get me to flash this puppy.
GS3

But I honestly think root is necessary. But mostly because I like my rooted apps.
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I'd like to flash a rom eventually, but I'm scared of losing IMEI hahaha
honestly though, stock rooted is pretty much the way to go. I love AOSP based roms on my past phones, but I've always hated the android camera app, so I may be sticking to stock rom for a while. Jelly bean anyone?

I've decided to keep root just in case. Tw is a lot better then it was when I had the vibrant. Not perfect, but neither was stock on the gnex. I'm really curious what jb well be like with tw. So I say good job Samsung on making a phone that you can say does or almost doesn't need a rom. I would like to see a jb tw rom. I would try that out for sure.
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This phone has really curbed my flashaholism. Although I do get the urge at times and tried cm10 and aokp. However at the moment this phone is great how it is. I just wish I didn't sell my sgs2 and could just flash that when the mood strikes
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I don't want to lose the functionality of the phone suck as motion and what not, so until there is a fully function Jelly Bean ROM with all the camera functions, I will stay stock. I may root just to back up and use certain root apps.

i'm using CM10, but at this point i'm scared to even flash back to stock, because i DO miss the Touchwiz features with the gestures and all, but don't wanna end up losing my IMEI and all, especially since noone has completely pinned down exactly WHAT causes it to happen.... i'll stick with CM10, and then i'll take my chances flashing back to stock and adding a ROM once official JellyBean has been released for the GSIII, so i have JellyBean PLUS the Touchwiz features.

I feel is good and all I didn't flash rooms for two weeks after I got it, but now I'm rooted I dk I just like aokp and cm9 theme manager probably the biggest reasons I'm running aokp stock rom is not bad just the bloatware kills it
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Aftashok said:
i'm using CM10, but at this point i'm scared to even flash back to stock, because i DO miss the Touchwiz features with the gestures and all, but don't wanna end up losing my IMEI and all, especially since noone has completely pinned down exactly WHAT causes it to happen.... i'll stick with CM10
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I've restored stock nandroid backups from CM10, CM9 and AOKP about 10 times. I really think the IMEI thing was overblown / made worse by human error. I wouldn't worry about it.
Anyway, it was interesting to see the AOSP progress, but they are a long way from matching the stability, speed and features of a properly de-bloated stock ROM.

I gotta agree with the majority here.
I too was a "flashaholic" when I had my evo.
No that I upgraded and I'm using a Samsung s3 for the first time I feel little need to root. There are a few apps I would like that requires root which would be the general reason why I would root.
The stock Rom is great for me as well.
Another reason why I held back rooting is the problem with losing mei/imei for the phone. I don't think it's over blown, especially when you read most of the people's comments who have lost there's and some of them aren't newbs.
Anyways Samsung did a pretty good job to curb my flashing habits.
Oh, there's only one Rom if I were to flash that I would want....paranoid android Rom.
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Whatever floats your boat. It's your expensive phone. I'm rocking jellybean, here
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I would have to agree. Stock rom is quite smooth (though I like some of the animations some roms used). I tried a couple roms, and they were nice, but I just missed some key features from stock. I am rooted on stock though, as there are some apps I really need/want.
Once cm10 is more stable and/or they make a dual boot kernel similar to the one for the sprint sgs3, then I will switch over. For the time being though, stock is amazing and I will probably stick with it for a bit.
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ive had some issues with touchwiz fc on me nd ive never rooted... im running apex now nd i love it... no immediate plans to flash.. like one user said its gonna take one hell of a rom to get me to go thru the rooting process. This phone is solid straight from Sammy... sound is awesome, speed is awesome, gps locks within 2 SECONDS INDOORS!!!!! ... Not but a handful of things that could be improved upon but not worth flashing to me...

I'm just ready for MIUI. What CM9 wishes it could be.
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I agree...I've had many android devices and each one I tinkered and rooted. For some reason I'm not too interested in rooting and flashing ROMS. Partly maybe because of the IMEI issue, but even before that came up, I was content with this TWiz. And I don't like TWiz, I'm more a Sense fan.
I say, good job Samsung!!
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Anybody feels the S4 was rushed? Especially software wise?

So I've had my S4 since the 30th, pre-ordered it on the 29th at 3:00AM.
After using it now for about 5 days, I am pretty disappointed in the software. Basically none of the "COOL" features it has works very well, especially the head scrolling. Terrible...
The smoothness on the phone is so utterly inconsistent it bothers me till no end. 60 percent of the time, operations are silky smooth, 40 percent there is a motherload of lag. Simply closing an app will cause the animation to "stutter" as it closes. Sometimes swiping between screens will cause the phone to stutter, opening the camera sometimes is instant, sometimes it take a couple seconds! WTF that drives me insane on a phone that pulls in 12,000+ quadrant scores and wipes the floor with pretty much everything in antutu.
I blame Samsung, their TW is definitely not ready for prime time when skinned on top of 4.2.2. Seemed like a rush job to get the phone shipped with 4.2.2 so they can get the upper hand on the HTC One.
TW works absolutely flawless on 4.1 for example on the Note 2 and GS3, there was hardly a hint of lag on those phones. So what do you guys think? TW not ready for 4.2.2 or is it because it's not optimized for the new Snapdragon processor?

i had a s3 and a s2 and a s1 and all these problems people complained about was stil there. I dont remember tw being that fluid on my s3 i remember i couldnt wait to root it to add cm on it. A article i read said it best "Android phones have a reputation for customizability. And to a certain extent, they almost require tinkering to optimize the experience. Theres always gonna be something we dont like about our phones thats why we love to tinker and change it!

wasnt really rushed, just touch wiz isnt meant for performance as much as gimmicky features, which all work just fine for me.
Though the debloated wicked rom is enough to keep me happy for now. as soon as paranoid android or P.A.C drops for our phone im on them in a heart beat. I just need per app dpi to be happy, with any phone

Wicked rom speeds the lag up a bit and im sure things will only get better..
21k antutu score stock, 25k after wicked... Im sure an Oc kernel will help too
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I have 25536 on stock with bloat frozen, running nova. Its prety qiuck, but i do have issues with camera crapping out on me every once in a while
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nib said:
I have 25536 on stock with bloat frozen, running nova. Its prety qiuck, but i do have issues with camera crapping out on me every once in a while
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try wickeds rom

Will give it a shot when i have some time. Maybe will wait out till next release. I am sure we will see a lots of good stuff popping up here almost daily.
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"Anybody feels the S4 was rushed? Especially software wise?"
no.

I really don't know yet. I sold my N4 for it, got it online last night it will be here in a week. Hopefully I don't regret it.

I think it's perfectly fine. some people are just picky and complain allot!
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I actually think the software is rather well polished. The theme is still not my cup of tea, but whatever. Really the only few issues I have is with camera focus every once in a while and the little bit of stuttery animation which seems more like a governor/kernel issue than anything.
Phone is pretty awesome overall.

NICEGYPT said:
I really don't know yet. I sold my N4 for it, got it online last night it will be here in a week. Hopefully I don't regret it.
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i sold my N4 for it as well; and also paid my ETF from ATT so i could move to tmobile.
haven't looked back since. :good:
(side note: ***k you ATT)

I think it's pretty well done, the fact is the motion and smart camera tricks are always a little bit of a crap shoot, and they're so situational I can't really justify leaving them on to myself. So I just turn them all off, other than that I don't mind TouchWiz, it's very bright and cartoony, but I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily.

i do not think so
they will test it almost for long times, and someother funcition will be release to us in next OTA maybe, just as the apple doing.

[Diss] AOSP Vs. MIUI

Whacha think ? Good ol' fashioned AOSP or MIUI Roms ? (especially V5), and why ?

AOSP.
a manta wrote this.

miui was my choice earlier on nexus s because during those days miui with a good kernel did match up to the speeds of aosp roms
BUT now there is no comparison, miui running phone feels like a 800mhz processor phone :silly:
even though the ui is amazing to have and obviously to show friends and keep playing with all day, the amount of bugs and lack of smoothness really makes it tough to use as a dd

now that MIUI just got on 4.2.2 id have to say MIUI..the look and feel is so different than AOSP that it makes all those other roms seem just the same. MIUI is so customizable and different. pair that with a franco kernal and your good to go! lol

MIUI was a breath of fresh air during the GB days, but these days the interest just isn't there for me. I'd probably give v5 a spin if it ever drops for the toro+, however I'm more than content with the current state of Android.

well the only thing lacking from MIUI IMO is the app drawer

I'm diggin miui v5 right now. Pretty smooth and as the previous post said, "a breath of fresh air". I'm an aosp guy but something different for a change is nice.

I love AOSP.
But recently I tried MIUI v5 and it's quite interesting. MIUI have another interesting feature. The looks is pretty much different compared to AOSP.
It's also smooth.
My opinion? Still AOSP is best but MIUI worth try. You might love the fresh UI and won't get back to AOSP.

Seraz007 said:
well the only thing lacking from MIUI IMO is the app drawer
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This was never a real big issue - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=JakedUp.AppDrawer - as there were means to solve this. Besides, MIUI made folders cool and practical before Android introduced a proper folder structure.
MIUI had a lot going for it, and the lack of a native app drawer was never a real issue.
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mmegalodon said:
This was never a real big issue - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=JakedUp.AppDrawer - as there were means to solve this. Besides, MIUI made folders cool and practical before Android introduced a proper folder structure.
MIUI had a lot going for it, and the lack of a native app drawer was never a real issue.
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:cyclops: didnt know about that app! :good:

Used v4 for a while on our device.
V5 is cool, but the media scanner bug sucks. Yes there's a fix, but with a bug this glaring, in wonder what else is wrong with the ROM.
Used it for a day and I love the interface, but went back to CM. I'll pry try the weekly releases until they get it right, and then I may stay on v5.
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Is MIUI 3.6.7 stable enough to be used as daily driver?

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Is MIUI 3.6.7 stable enough to be used as daily driver?
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Oh yea. The toro ports are good. I'm not sure about the other variants.

AOSP. Miui is way too laggy compared to AOSP.
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Once the the bugs are thrown out miui is way too much fun. 4.1.2 is much smoother than 4.2.2 right now. All of the devs just throw the ROM out there. It gets frustrating how much I want to run it and all the things that don't work.
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Before Jelly Bean, I would have preferred MIUI. I found AOSP to be faster/smoother/better battery, but MIUI was very good looking. I honestly haven't tried MIUI again since Jelly Bean because I'm just so pleased with AOSP.

MIUI has been my choice since very first. Due to the crispness in the look as well as the UI makes you feel so organized especially V5, checkout the compass app, clock, music so crystal and professional design of the UI. I many times wonder, its "Google" behind the AOSP roms in my opinion the stock look is much much sluggish, It is very true that, later we can customize whatever we want to our choice. But my opinion is that a small group of chinese developers have done a very good job that they are brought into this kind of comparison.

I used MIUI on my old Droid X, but there are so many other cool roms for my current phone that I've mostly forgotten about MIUI.

oynoy said:
I used MIUI on my old Droid X, but there are so many other cool roms for my current phone that I've mostly forgotten about MIUI.
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Like what?
Sent From My Miui Powered Galaxy Nexus

Esteway.619 said:
Like what?
Sent From My Miui Powered Galaxy Nexus
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My current phone is a Galaxy Nexus. I used Codename Android back when it still existed. Now I am running Paranoid Android 3.94 and I'm really liking it. I haven't tried stock 4.3 yet so I can't compare the two, but the PA rom feels quite smooth. I also love using PIE and Halo to a lesser extent.