Why do you think Sony prevented 'downgrading' to GB? - Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I'm trying to figure this one out. Sony said when offered the option to upgrade to ICS that there would be no going back and that ICS might be a bit slow and buggy (in so many words) in PC Companion.
So my question is: Why did they not give the option to downgrade back to GB if they think it was better? I just don't understand what the problem would have been in doing so. Sure it would require a wipe but this could be given a BIG warning 'click again if you are DEFINITELY OK with this!' type thing.
I am puzzled as to why it was not offered if people did not like ICS.

deadman3000 said:
I'm trying to figure this one out. Sony said when offered the option to upgrade to ICS that there would be no going back and that ICS might be a bit slow and buggy (in so many words) in PC Companion.
So my question is: Why did they not give the option to downgrade back to GB if they think it was better? I just don't understand what the problem would have been in doing so. Sure it would require a wipe but this could be given a BIG warning 'click again if you are DEFINITELY OK with this!' type thing.
I am puzzled as to why it was not offered if people did not like ICS.
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It takes two minutes to flash back to GB using flashtool.

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It takes two minutes to flash back to GB using flashtool.
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I know that. I just can't figure out why Sony decided we could not downgrade once we went to ICS. Especially considering that they though GB was better.

Why would you waste your time on Sony...
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noim said:
Why would you waste your time on Sony...
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I preferred the interface to what I am currently running (JJ Hybrid 3.1) but the bloatware and lag in ICS stock was horrible. Right now I am trying to figure out why I have so little available RAM left. Using ES Task Manager even running only 3 apps I only gain 120-130mb back but that soon vanishes. I've moved lots of apps off onto my SD card too though I am not sure this makes much of a difference to available RAM. I read about a partition trick to get more memory available but it looks complicated.
Anyhow it still does not answer my question as to why Sony decided in their infinite wisdom to not allow a rollback.
I'm just airing my opinions

At least they "warned" you/us about heavier ICS system requirements compared to GB, so it was our decision whether we will upgrade or not.
Also, ICS update is far from being "horrible" to me. Yes, the first update was far from perfect, but new one is much better, regarding many things. Most noticably smoother performance, camera improvements (camcorder also), and to me even more stable wifi connection compared to GB, while some people are reporting wifi as being "unstable".
About bloatware, there is MORE bloatware in stock GB than in stock ICS, at least in my case. My Arc S (bought 2 months ago) was originally on last GB version 4.0.2.a.0.69 (very rare one), and compared to last ICS update, there were more bloatware apps. Also, freshly installed, ICS is having more free memory than GB (due to less bloatware among other things).
And when I kill all processes in ICS, I'm having about 180-200Mb of free space.
Conclusion: I'm not saying it's better than stock GB, but it's far from being horrible and unusable, in my opinion. GB is smoother, more optimized for Arc/S hardware, lighter on battery, and more stable, but for people who wants fresh OS, with few options and tweaks more, and with (arguably) better user interface, there is ICS, tolerable and usable.

I think that they were trying to convince people not to update, or at least think twice if you were not that bothered.
Though saying this, there is no reason for not allowing roll back. Apart from them having to spend a little more time editing PC Companion to allow for the downgrade, but this would be nothing for Sony........

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Do you still like your Arc?

So i've had my Arc over 8 months now. I bought it for 2 reasons, the camera and it's size (slimness and screen), all other high-spec phones seem(ed) to be substantially bigger.
Now quite honestly the stock sony rom was bloated and slow, I think we can all agree, cue going down the CM route. However that took an eternity to get the camera working. Now we have 7.2 with a working camera but most people seem to experience significant battery drain which limits the usefulness of the phone, me included.
Cue waiting for CM9.0, all seems to be going well but it's not ready yet (credit to the devs on both of these releases). Now I think about it, i've been waiting all this time for a decent workable rom to make this phone as good as it should be. Shouldn't it have been released fast enough for the mass market? Do SGS2 owners have this? GN owners? I highly doubt it.
Anyway, just intrigued to know if anyone else has similar thoughts to me. Don't get me wrong, I still have hope that this can be the phone I want it to be but when it is it will be outdated and superceded. My 2 cents...
try acronium dude,fully stock,combine with doomkernel,have it supercharge,theme it a little bit,add this add that,it is not the phone itself made it perfect,its you who made it perfect,so my opinion is xperia arc was indeed perfect if you know how to perfecting it..
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Arc is a nice phone, but only if you want to keep it stock.. don't install too many apps ( just very few )... the reason for this is the low RAM and Internal ROM... both making the phone slower and sluggisher when ever you install more apps...
Normally all Android phones have memory management, and all apps if you exit it will stay in the ram to make re-launching it faster... this is nice if you have plenty of RAM... but if you're running low on both RAM and ROM ( like with any mid-low phone ) then this will be hard, as in most cases the RAM will be almost full, the internal ROM will be like this... the phone will try to free some space in order to run any new app you want as the old apps keeps it self in the memory filling it up...
Xperia arc is a nice phone, but the main problem is it's RAM and ROM being too much low... you have to depend on 3rd party apps to free some space in order to make your phone run smoother and faster... you must move every app to the microSD to save the precious internal space... and for some cases this is not enough !! considering the phone comes already with pre-installed apps that most users won't use but they can't remove most of them without root !!
personally, I rooted the phone, installed Titanium Backup pro.. and removed all apps I don't want to save the ROM space, and installed my preferred apps but still running low !! currently I have only 50MB free for the internal ROM, and less than 60MB of free RAM...
using the phone more will make the RAM less slowing up everything in the phone !!
Yeah I know, the best way to use the RAM is to make it fills, but you MUST have free space to make the phone smoother for any new apps/work...
If you have plenty of RAM ( lets say 1GB at least ) then let it takes 700 - 800 meg but just keep some free for the UI, new apps and so on.. something like 100 - 200 is very nice...
that's why 512MB RAM is too low, while 1GB is very nice !! ( talking about GB and earlier, I don't know about ICS ) as the phone normally with a user that loves apps will require at least 600-700MB of RAM which is more than what is already available on the phone !!
this is the story of RAM alone, there's another talk about ROM !!, basically while I have 50MB free, it's on the edge.. any apps will need update will take the ROM, if the app is a system app ( pre installed ), it will be saved to the system app space, the update will stay on the user internal ROM, it will not be integrated to the system space.. so it will eat more of the internal ROM unless you integrated the update to the system space which requires root and a 3rd party app ( Titanium backup )... sometimes even with 50MB free if there's multiple apps to update I can't update them all as the ROM will get filled up and when it reach's 40MB and lower, the system will alert me of low ROM space... and depending on the app it might not be possible to update it as some apps needs to save the update on ROM first before going any where else !!
I think wit the new firmware .69 we will have sony logo and cool xperia boot animation...
just like in Xperia s
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I got my arc 15 days back
previously owned both x10 and galaxy s
x10 is good but is slow with low gpu
galaxy was blazing fast but i didnt like touch wiz
HTC sense looks good but eats lots of ram
Arc is slim, sexy, speed, smooth and powerful.
have been a fan of SE ui.
I haven,t rooted it yet and maintaining it stock
well the arc is not that fast i have to agree on that one.. but still it is the sexiest phone out there ! and dont worry about lags with low memory, ICS is optimized for a MUCH better memory management, so if sony does it right you won't have to worry about laggy or slow experience because of low ram
I prefer the SE ui compared to sense/tw, and modded stock roms like arconium or festa20's rom. Link2sd sorts out any internal memory issues, Dooms kernel lets you overclock(or underclock), supercharger script or juwe11s ram manager take care of ram issues, linux swap ensures smooth running during intense usage...and so on. Android is open source for a reason.
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Thanks for the replies. I'm running 7.2 but maybe i'll move to Arconium. But regardless, that makes my point, I have to install a custom rom to make the phone fast. I don't mind so much about space, I don't install that much, I need it to be a phone, take photos and use a small selection of apps. I shouldn't really need to spend hours of my time unlocking it, playing around with custom roms etc. For us that can do it then great, but what about the 99% of normal users that don't have the knowledge to do any of this, I wonder how they feel, will they buy a Sony again having run with the Sony rom from day one? Unlikely...
honest answer:no
-i need repair it three times
-i got bad battery life only 3-4 hours browsing.
-the body is not solid like lumia/n9.
i hope ICS and a new battery will solve this problem.
and i can start loving my arc.
Had it for 9 months, liked it so much I bought an Arc S
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i have the japanese version of the arc for a year now
best phone i've owned
looks great
great in hand
never froze
reasonable battery
all apps work without any force closing
stayed on stock since day one
great sound
nice video streaming
nice cam
just missing the front cam
the xperia S has the same launcher lag as the arc
so lets hope this is fixed on ICS
I'm proud for buyng this phone...i like it bat i think gs2 is not better...i'm testing cm9 actually but it's full of buggs...the battery drain, the flash off the camera band the network...i'm gonna try to install miui...anyway i can't stand the stok rom too (even if is very nice)
I have Arc since April 2011.
It's basically a perfect device.
There are two issues:
1. Crack, which looks bad but doesn't influence anything else (shame...)
2. RAM too low, which can be dealt with by rebooting once a week.
3. The internal memory could be bigger.
I have like 60 apps or so and this phone flies, still on Stock ROM. Seriously, no single freeze or reboot since the .42 FW. It's just brilliant.
So, for the first time I'm not even anxious to get my Xperia S just because I think Arc could work for another year.
doministry said:
I have Arc since April 2011.
It's basically a perfect device.
There are two issues:
1. Crack, which looks bad but doesn't influence anything else (shame...)
2. RAM too low, which can be dealt with by rebooting once a week.
3. The internal memory could be bigger.
I have like 60 apps or so and this phone flies, still on Stock ROM. Seriously, no single freeze or reboot since the .42 FW. It's just brilliant.
So, for the first time I'm not even anxious to get my Xperia S just because I think Arc could work for another year.
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I totally agree, and it can only get better with ICS
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I like it but since CM9 is buggy and there's nothing else new, I think I've already explored every nook and cranny of the arc.
Let's hope the ICS update will bring a totally new experience. I'm thinking of UXP NXT.
I'm still an Arc fan, have it for 8 months now. My only problem is the crack. Have it repaired 2 times now. Bought a cover so I don't have to see the crack again if it comes back.
But besides the crack it is perfect. Also stock rom, 75 apps installed and no lag. Perfect camera! I love it!
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well..
today i got a chance to try out the dual core HTC Sensation.
i have to admit, that occasionally, it is much snappier than the arc but it lacks something.
i don't know.. maybe is it the camera, the display.. but i just like the arc better.
i can get the sensation for a very low price (the price i could sell my arc for no problem) but i decided to keep the arc.
it's just... yes! It's a better phone! An all-arounder.
I have had my arc s for two weeks now before that I had a ray, nexus s and sgs after my x10
My arc s was sim locked and bootloader locked, I got jinx13 to unlock my boot and I installed miui
I love this phone, it is fast, looks awesome and I really really like it.
Should get my barely there case to protect it tomorrow, really happy at least till upgrade when I will get the Xperia S , all the moaning I did when I had my x10 about Sony and the Arc S is superb and the xperia S looks even better
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Good since rooting
I've had my arc for about 5 months now,
It had become really slow just from using it (loads of apps and all that)
So I rooted it about a month ago with the doomlord method. (never got my head around how to get CM on it though)
And since rooting I'm pretty much happy with it speed-wise.
Oh, and I hated the SE Interface so I run GO Launcher.
This has been my first post. Thank you.
Had my arc now for about 10 months (i think).
Using rooted stock ROM with a few tweaks here and there (v6 supercharger, appwidgetpicker, transparent dock). Deleted a fair bit of the bloatware.
The only problems i have with it are that it's still occasionally laggy, and could do with more internal storage (although its obviously not that much of a problem or i would've gotten around to using apps2sd+).
However, the camera is amazing, the screen is fantastic, we get regular firmware updates and it's the still best looking phone on the market by miles (including all of the new sony phones). It could do with a dual core CPU, more RAM, and more internal storage, but i knew that even when i bought it 10 months ago. Still love it.
never knew why any1 bothered with stock rom or any custom rom
Ok I been using the arc for 10 months had it rooted for 9. I am totally new to hacking phones but think iv done a sweet job.
I could never understand why any1 would waste time having a custom rom, if they all leave parts of the phone not working.
Personally iv been usong go launcher from the market since day 1. Used titanium to delete the bloatware and all stock apps including launcher.
Move apps to sd and have always got more than 150 available in rom. Ram is an issue seeing as there is so little but iv got 214 apps and hav 60-171 free depending what's running. This still proves lacking if you want to open a massive word or excel document. Simply need to break down the fiLe on a pc before putting it on phone that is a pain.
Battery life has always been gash until I found out about patching baseband this should be step 2 for all arc users the battery increase is phenominal,especially in standby. However using 3g with a bright screen and bravia still only3/4hours video playpack.
That being said I phoned tmobile and gave them an ear bashing about battery life on smartphones in general and they sent me another free of charge so 2 batteries works a treat.

Best rom for now?

Hi i want to know what is the best rom for now? Because i want to change my rom i cant decide which one is good.
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There's not a lot of active rom right now. So kinda hard to giv u some suggestion.
Kindly Hit Thanks Button if i've help u in anyway.
I've used a LOT of the XP roms and first let me say this: there is no truly "best" rom, it all boils down largely to a matter of preference.
I'm currently running TrueAncestor 1.6 and I really like it, but I do miss certain things about ICS. The thing with ICS that's worth understanding is there is no truly stable or complete ICS rom for the Xperia Play. Every ICS rom has bugs or missing features. Some are worse than others. MANY ICS roms drop support for the touchpads in major games (EA Games, Gameloft Games, Rockstar Games) due to a colossal screwup on Sony's part. You can sort of regain the touchpad functionality using things like USB BT Joystick 6 or GameKeyboard, but those are hacks and they eat system resources.
Speaking of resources, ICS roms are also much more system intensive. Your phone will run slower, games will run less well, and your overall performance will be less snappy than GB roms. It's not *terrible* for sure, but Overclock is practically necessary for ICS roms to help make up for that performance loss. The XP's hardware is dated (it was dated when it launched, technically) and it's starting to show. The paltry amount of RAM and single core processor really hurt it's ability to run ICS and still kick ass at games.
Overall though, as far as ICS roms go I'd recommend AOKP, though the dev has gone dark and not updated it in a while. It was pretty good and had a lot of nice features. I hear CM9 is also nice, and it continues to get active support and development, and will eventually be superceded by CM10. Even then though, I still ran into moderate bugs on both of them - AOKP had a persistent problem where the WIFI would stop working due to a bug in the Settings dialog, so turning on/off your Wifi could cause it to stop working altogether, and the only fix was a reflash. It was a major pain in the ass. Other ICS roms will just randomly crash or reboot, or programs won't work or will crash that should otherwise work in ICS. Overall, be prepared for instability and don't expect 100% from your phone with virtually any ICS rom installed. Blame Sony for only releasing a beta of ICS and then dropping support.
There are other good ICS roms, such as ICS++, Ice Cream Sony, and KA, but some or all of those might have lost dev support (it's been a while since I checked) and none of them really did much in terms of feature changes/support, so they've stagnated compared to more active roms.
Honestly, I realize now that there wasn't a ton in ICS that I needed, and having switched back to GB last week I'm very happy I did - performance is better, battery life is tolerable (slightly worse than AOKP was), and games run great, plus I have full touchpad support again. It looked nice, but it didn't really add anything, and the bugs and missing features finally pushed me away from it after almost a year of running it (I've been running ICS since the first ICS ports hit the XP).
As for GB roms - TrueAncestor is good. I was running JokaWild for a bit, and it was ok, but it didn't blow me away, TA's theme is more preferrable to me. I'm running DoomKernel v14 which seems ok - it's also a bit dated though and Doom could probably do some updates to improve it a bit more if he had the time, but I'm sure he's quite busy.
I hope this helps - and good luck.
Also, if you aren't Fastboot enabled, get that done - it's worth the money and you'll need it in the hunt for the best rom, otherwise your selection will be very limited.
I have been using ICS roms and they are my favourite, there is a developer called secho I use many of his ports along with the kernel he recommends my favourite so far
True ancestor with my bloatware remover is my choice
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Also its not Sony's fault about the touchpads its ea gameloft etc
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Thanx guys.. I think i will switxh to gb instead of ics
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illuminerdi said:
I've used a LOT of the XP roms and first let me say this: there is no truly "best" rom, it all boils down largely to a matter of preference.
I'm currently running TrueAncestor 1.6 and I really like it, but I do miss certain things about ICS. The thing with ICS that's worth understanding is there is no truly stable or complete ICS rom for the Xperia Play. Every ICS rom has bugs or missing features. Some are worse than others. MANY ICS roms drop support for the touchpads in major games (EA Games, Gameloft Games, Rockstar Games) due to a colossal screwup on Sony's part. You can sort of regain the touchpad functionality using things like USB BT Joystick 6 or GameKeyboard, but those are hacks and they eat system resources.
Speaking of resources, ICS roms are also much more system intensive. Your phone will run slower, games will run less well, and your overall performance will be less snappy than GB roms. It's not *terrible* for sure, but Overclock is practically necessary for ICS roms to help make up for that performance loss. The XP's hardware is dated (it was dated when it launched, technically) and it's starting to show. The paltry amount of RAM and single core processor really hurt it's ability to run ICS and still kick ass at games.
Overall though, as far as ICS roms go I'd recommend AOKP, though the dev has gone dark and not updated it in a while. It was pretty good and had a lot of nice features. I hear CM9 is also nice, and it continues to get active support and development, and will eventually be superceded by CM10. Even then though, I still ran into moderate bugs on both of them - AOKP had a persistent problem where the WIFI would stop working due to a bug in the Settings dialog, so turning on/off your Wifi could cause it to stop working altogether, and the only fix was a reflash. It was a major pain in the ass. Other ICS roms will just randomly crash or reboot, or programs won't work or will crash that should otherwise work in ICS. Overall, be prepared for instability and don't expect 100% from your phone with virtually any ICS rom installed. Blame Sony for only releasing a beta of ICS and then dropping support.
There are other good ICS roms, such as ICS++, Ice Cream Sony, and KA, but some or all of those might have lost dev support (it's been a while since I checked) and none of them really did much in terms of feature changes/support, so they've stagnated compared to more active roms.
Honestly, I realize now that there wasn't a ton in ICS that I needed, and having switched back to GB last week I'm very happy I did - performance is better, battery life is tolerable (slightly worse than AOKP was), and games run great, plus I have full touchpad support again. It looked nice, but it didn't really add anything, and the bugs and missing features finally pushed me away from it after almost a year of running it (I've been running ICS since the first ICS ports hit the XP).
As for GB roms - TrueAncestor is good. I was running JokaWild for a bit, and it was ok, but it didn't blow me away, TA's theme is more preferrable to me. I'm running DoomKernel v14 which seems ok - it's also a bit dated though and Doom could probably do some updates to improve it a bit more if he had the time, but I'm sure he's quite busy.
I hope this helps - and good luck.
Also, if you aren't Fastboot enabled, get that done - it's worth the money and you'll need it in the hunt for the best rom, otherwise your selection will be very limited.
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Hi thanks for the info and suggestion but what is fastboot enabled? What it can do? Sorry for newbie question im only new at cfw world..
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For best gaming experience, this ROM is highly recommended.
[ROM] DiXperia 2 'Everlasting' | Performance. Stability. Experience. | 13.08.2012
Xperia NXT 1.2
ICS sucks btw. This custom ROM is smooth and touchpads arent buggy as hell as on ICS..
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The sad truth?

Is the sad truth that our phones will never be as smooth as it was while running gingerbread?
is it just me or will our phones ever live up to the stability of GB? I have used every ROM since I bought this phone..and GB is the "pinnacle" of software for our phone.
Now this is my first Android phone but is this the case with other phones? I.e. the software shipped with the phone is the best suited version.
Just trying to see if anyone feels the same way as I do...
Well the phone was built around that OS. Guess its like having a PC that came with XP and wanting to throw on a custom made Windows 8 OS on it.
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I'll have to politely disagree
I actually have have my phone feel more smooth on ICS and even more smoother on jelly bean.. I was on ginger bread stock for the longest time before I found out about xda and my experience has been way better since then... I even reverted back recently to try a GB Rom and felt like my experience was still better on ICS /JB
But I understand where u coming from. Every one has different experiences
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Cm9 is awesome.
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Sure, I agree that ICS and JB are way better than GB..much "sexier" to have. Matter fact, JB has sucked me back in to loving my phone. However, the argument is that no matter how hard the devs try, who do a damn good job, GB will be far and away the best OS for our phone. This includes stability, dependability and of course battery life, among other things :good:
Its not our phones fault sprint gave us a jacked ota :/
Gb wasn't always 'perfect' but ics, and eventually jb we'll most likely be just as pleasing as gb, If not more, with more features. Just give her time
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thegoodrat said:
Is the sad truth that our phones will never be as smooth as it was while running gingerbread?
is it just me or will our phones ever live up to the stability of GB? I have used every ROM since I bought this phone..and GB is the "pinnacle" of software for our phone.
Now this is my first Android phone but is this the case with other phones? I.e. the software shipped with the phone is the best suited version.
Just trying to see if anyone feels the same way as I do...
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Its just you. I've had an amazing experience since Ff09 or whatever that leak was
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thegoodrat said:
Is the sad truth that our phones will never be as smooth as it was while running gingerbread?
is it just me or will our phones ever live up to the stability of GB? I have used every ROM since I bought this phone..and GB is the "pinnacle" of software for our phone.
Now this is my first Android phone but is this the case with other phones? I.e. the software shipped with the phone is the best suited version.
Just trying to see if anyone feels the same way as I do...
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Just you. Here I am rocking CM9b1.
I totally feel what your saying..cuz other phones on sprint have smooth stock ics other than ours..we can go back and fourth but the fact of the matter is samsung and sprint released a half a** update for ics ..and god bless the developers trying to improve the ics experiance!
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Could not agree more. I am back on gb after using ics for a while its insane the stability and smoothness of this phone on gb. Ics is smooth but gb just destroyed it on our phone!
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ICS is working fine fine with me.
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I also agree that Ics does not match gb YET. But they are making progress fi03 has shown us hope of that. It looks a little smoother and showing major improvement I'm both battery and signal. So Sammy is listening and working to smooth out ics. Keep in mind that there is even a newer build that we don't have yet fi06 who knows whats fixed in that. And I am willing to bet we will get some more drops this month of they continue with this pattern . So let's try and stay optimistic Sammy definitely has the financial backing now to afford good support for there devices. And since the s2 is still selling very well Sammy is continuing support and with Motorola making such a public announcement about there jb support you know sammy is gonna compete with that. So even of ics doesn't become perfect they will probably get it right in jb. Either way a little patience and optimisim will go a long way the future looks bright for our phone.
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I also agree that Ics does not match gb YET. But they are making progress fi03 has shown us hope of that. It looks a little smoother and showing major improvement I'm both battery and signal. So Sammy is listening and working to smooth out ics. Keep in mind that there is even a newer build that we don't have yet fi06 who knows whats fixed in that. And I am willing to bet we will get some more drops this month of they continue with this pattern . So let's try and stay optimistic Sammy definitely has the financial backing now to afford good support for there devices. And since the s2 is still selling very well Sammy is continuing support and with Motorola making such a public announcement about there jb support you know sammy is gonna compete with that. So even of ics doesn't become perfect they will probably get it right in jb. Either way a little patience and optimisim will go a long way the future looks bright for our phone.
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Damn like this totally made me think this was an election gig and your looking for a vote haha ..RIGHT ON!!
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I honestly never had an issue with ICS even with the past leaks besides the Wimax bug which is now fixed. Maybe phones have different effects to software. Idk but that emmc bug never affected me and I used the stock recovery to wipe more than once on several occasions lol..
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You guys must not be doing clean installs with full wipes and just doing the ota update. I haven't had any issues with ICS or JB, but I always do a thorough wipe before flashing anything and I only use aosp based roms, like AOKP or PA. I'm not a fan of TWiz so I only run it long enough to do PrL and Profile updates :shrug: if you're having issues with ICS or JB I recommend doing a thorough wipe and then flash a rom and start fresh, left over data and incompatible apps can cause all kinds of issues. I think the only reason the carriers don't wipe data on OTAs is cuz its easier to listen to ppl ***** about the update sucking than it is to listen to em ***** the update erased all their games and apps . They should just force data wipe on OTA and use the Google sync function to restore most data after a clean install, but still people would complain they lost their texts and other assorted crap that if its honestly that important should be getting saved to their external SD cards anyways, cuz if the phone breaks you're gonna lose your sh!t atleast if its on the external SD you can salvage it :thumbup:
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Yes I do every time. Try flashing back to el29 run it for a day or two then flash back to ics and tell me you don't see the difference. It's pretty night and day. I am willing most people that are satisfied with ics are either just happy that's it's a little but better than the ff18. **** we were given or aren't comparing it to el29 maybe cause they never ran it or it's been So long they forgot what it feels like. When you flash back to el29 coming from ics that actually feels like the upgrade. Especially on ph 4.1
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Cm9 is a smoother experience to me at least. Also I'm getting even better battery life than on calks 3.0
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krisI0N said:
Its not our phones fault sprint gave us a jacked ota :/
Gb wasn't always 'perfect' but ics, and eventually jb we'll most likely be just as pleasing as gb, If not more, with more features. Just give her time
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This is my thought exactly. We had what, 3 or 4 official builds of GB before they got it right? And we are on number 2 for ICS.
And with that being said, I am not having any problems with ICS. The last two leaks are running great and I don't miss GB at all.
Everybody has there own experience and opinions, this is just mine.
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I agree with the OP. GB was a much more stable experience. I've flashed dozens of roms both clean and keeping user data and while ICS/JB are definitely improvements to the OS feature-wise, they tend to fail at stability including bugs, battery life, reception, and performance. I've only found one ICS rom that has actually managed a better battery life than calk's EL29 GB and that's re-calked 1.9. As far as reception goes, I get 0-1 bar on ANY ICS/JB rom/kernel/modem combo I've tried here at work and I always get 1-3 bars on GB combos such as EL26 or EL29. Performance is much better on GB for the simple reason that there's less stuff and the improvements in OS efficiency are not enough to offset the increased resource usage of all those cool new features. I also have yet to find an ICS/JB rom that handles scrolling as well as GB... with 4.x when you scroll it's either manually by holding your finger and dragging slowly to pan down or it's superobnoxiously fast and you go from top to bottom but have a hard time scrolling to anywhere just shy of the top or bottom without manually panning to those points. On GB the scrolling is slower so on a long page it may take a while to get to the bottom but at least you can scroll to any point fairly easily once you get used to the scrolling speed. ICS/JB roms have bugs too... mostly minor little annoyances that aren't worth asking a dev to fix. App compatibility is another huge hit for 4.x roms as is the major wifi bug that every 4.x rom I've tried has had which causes the wifi to show as connected after a wakeup but you can't even access google.
Yes, there are certainly some features about ICS/JB which I really enjoy and this is why I keep flashing more roms in the hopes that maybe eventually I'll stumble across the perfect rom/kernel/modem combo to make my phone uber. Re-Calked 1.9 with Agat's 5.4 and FH23 has so far been a decent step in that direction but it's still not perfect as the wifi problem still exists and scrolling is still ICS scrolling but one of these days I'll find the perfect non-GB rom.
Well it seems some people arent understanding my post. Sure, cm9 is great. Ive been running pa cm10 for the past week cause its been so fun. But the best GB ROMs have given me the best experience even it wasn't as "fun"
Maybe idk how to flash properly or my phone sucks lol

[Q] Xperia Arc running very slow

Hi guys. I bought a Xperia Arc (LT15i) last year, SIM-Unlocked, T-mobile branded and lots of bloatware.The experience so far couldn't be better. I love the UI and the camera is great. Since the very beginning it has being laggy, but it was bearable. Recently I updated to ICS hoping I would get a bit faster. At the beginning it was nice, but now it crashes a lot, and I can hardly avoid throwing it to a wall. Moreover battery lasts 8 hours with hardly use, which is very annoying as I have to go everywhere with cables and chargers (not sure if the battery is actually working well. I haven't tested it or used a brand new one).
I would like to flash a good and stable rom, if possible with JB. Which one would you recommend. I unlocked once the bootloader, but I didn't really want a custom rom at the moment, but the ICS stock one, so I relocked in order to get it. Not sure if that was the best thing to do, but it was running at quite a decent speed. Now it is very very laggy (even doing trivial things such as searching a contact!!!), and when I got my sony smartwatch, the battery drain was overwhelming.
I want something smooth, a custom ROM would be very welcomed. I read about Jelly Sandwich. Seems really nice, but since I don't want have the time to read all the posts, can anybody tell me if there's any problem connecting to the smartwatch in a custom ROM? Also, some comments regarding performance and battery drain on such ROM would be very much appreciated.
I don't have any game installed, since the available storage is very limited (I have like 39 mb left). I use mail a lot, chat applications (such as whatsapp, IMO, talk, etc.), facebook and twitter.
I really want to get the most out of it before I buy myself another phone (Xperia V, maybe?).
Thanks in avance, a newbie.
I recomend you X Gamer or another GB Rom as Arconium 8.2, because JB and ICS will make your device slower cause they need more resources to run ok. If you want smoothness my recomendation is to use X-Gamer Rom from OmenHTX. Im using it right now and its go flashy
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Hi guys. I bought a Xperia Arc (LT15i) last year, SIM-Unlocked, T-mobile branded and lots of bloatware.The experience so far couldn't be better. I love the UI and the camera is great. Since the very beginning it has being laggy, but it was bearable. Recently I updated to ICS hoping I would get a bit faster. At the beginning it was nice, but now it crashes a lot, and I can hardly avoid throwing it to a wall. Moreover battery lasts 8 hours with hardly use, which is very annoying as I have to go everywhere with cables and chargers (not sure if the battery is actually working well. I haven't tested it or used a brand new one).
I would like to flash a good and stable rom, if possible with JB. Which one would you recommend. I unlocked once the bootloader, but I didn't really want a custom rom at the moment, but the ICS stock one, so I relocked in order to get it. Not sure if that was the best thing to do, but it was running at quite a decent speed. Now it is very very laggy (even doing trivial things such as searching a contact!!!), and when I got my sony smartwatch, the battery drain was overwhelming.
I want something smooth, a custom ROM would be very welcomed. I read about Jelly Sandwich. Seems really nice, but since I don't want have the time to read all the posts, can anybody tell me if there's any problem connecting to the smartwatch in a custom ROM? Also, some comments regarding performance and battery drain on such ROM would be very much appreciated.
I don't have any game installed, since the available storage is very limited (I have like 39 mb left). I use mail a lot, chat applications (such as whatsapp, IMO, talk, etc.), facebook and twitter.
I really want to get the most out of it before I buy myself another phone (Xperia V, maybe?).
Thanks in avance, a newbie.
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If u want to use your devices faster, your battery life time may lower. So, trying a custom rom which developer claimed how much fast their rom, sure the battery will drain faster. If u want to use battery longer, your phone performance will also slower. So try using the stock rom is the best as the sony developer team balanced all the properties. I would like to recommend you one thing is to use app like Advance Task Killer (for fast performance & battery lift) and Link2SD (for storage performance problem). And also Rom Toolbox Pro app. With this app, you can stop unwanted app from auto running. This can greatly reduce memory usage.
Good Luck Guy,

[discussion] Why we should update to jb

Hi everyone
I made this discussion to explain why we should update to JB Although we know ICS is better for us
Battery, camera, wifi and 2g is better works on ICS
So, I did not find anything distinctive call me for the update
because ics is and always was a load of poo?
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Why do you need to create a thread? It's a waste of space. Use the existing JB thread. Besides, your thesis statement is extremely poor. Sony fixed all the bugs you mentioned with .96 .
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Phone is more fluid on JB, enough for me to update.
Also more apps are compatibile in google play (stronger API)
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it's up to you. if you want to update just update . if you want to stay just stay. everybody have they own opinion.
I've updated to JB because the feature implemented by google, like google now, project butter, etc.
and I don't have problem with battery, camera, wifi, 2g in JB. I can accept battery life and camera quality in JB. wifi is good, and i'm barely touch 2G since i live in the middle of city with a lot of 3G signal.
however, you can try latest JB update from sony (even some custom ROM). but if you are not happy, then you can go back to ICS whenever you want. you're not forced to use JB anyway.
lee480 said:
Why do you need to create a thread? It's a waste of space. Use the existing JB thread. Besides, your thesis statement is extremely poor. Sony fixed all the bugs you mentioned with .96 .
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Is the camera good to you? battery?
I need to know that from users and what they feel with JB, not just to create a thread
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Is the camera good to you? battery?
I need to know that from users and what they feel with JB, not just to create a thread
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Yes both camera and battery life is superb on JB.....i found problem in video recording which is solved by LG Camera App....check That thread of mine for more info........
Because yes.
Maybe you should stick with GB . And I'm serious here, Bravia Engine works on unlocked bootloaders, it's probably the least memory intensive stock OS you can get, so not as much apps getting closed and camera was also arguably the best on GB roms. I'd never want to use a 3 year old OS, but if full functionality is your deal, maybe that's the way to go.
ICS is one big lagfest. That people are still complaining about the .96 update is because people just like complaining and they forget easily. I haven't seen one proper side-by-side comparison of the ICS vs JB firmware, so what can you base your judgment on? If you think Google Now doesn't negatively affect the battery, you're naive. But luckily you can disable that (it's not even on by default). Your phone is also getting older, it's very possible that your battery performs less good than a year ago, that might cost you 30-60 minutes in battery life by now. If you'd compare battery life under heavy usage between .96 and .55, there probably won't be any difference because the screen drains the most. I couldn't tell you how long the phone lasts if you barely touch it, because I use it too much for that. And any standby battery drain is for me easily worth it because JB is just so much snappier. I also almost never go 4 hours without a plug near me (and that's being hyperbolic, I just charge at night and that suffices).
And about the camera focusing slowly, it has done that on every firmware I've ever had on this phone. I remember reading the reviews before buying my XS, and journalists were complaining about the focusing time, now have it more than 12 months. It's possible that ICS .50 and .55 were a little better but it was never a strong point.
But I barely tried the .96 update since I upgraded to OpenSEMC a day or 2 after the .96 release. Infinite customizing lured me away .
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Maybe you should stick with GB . And I'm serious here, Bravia Engine works on unlocked bootloaders, it's probably the least memory intensive stock OS you can get, so not as much apps getting closed and camera was also arguably the best on GB roms. I'd never want to use a 3 year old OS, but if full functionality is your deal, maybe that's the way to go.
ICS is one big lagfest. That people are still complaining about the .96 update is because people just like complaining and they forget easily. I haven't seen one proper side-by-side comparison of the ICS vs JB firmware, so what can you base your judgment on? If you think Google Now doesn't negatively affect the battery, you're naive. But luckily you can disable that (it's not even on by default). Your phone is also getting older, it's very possible that your battery performs less good than a year ago, that might cost you 30-60 minutes in battery life by now. If you'd compare battery life under heavy usage between .96 and .55, there probably won't be any difference because the screen drains the most. I couldn't tell you how long the phone lasts if you barely touch it, because I use it too much for that. And any standby battery drain is for me easily worth it because JB is just so much snappier. I also almost never go 4 hours without a plug near me (and that's being hyperbolic, I just charge at night and that suffices).
And about the camera focusing slowly, it has done that on every firmware I've ever had on this phone. I remember reading the reviews before buying my XS, and journalists were complaining about the focusing time, now have it more than 12 months. It's possible that ICS .50 and .55 were a little better but it was never a strong point.
But I barely tried the .96 update since I upgraded to OpenSEMC a day or 2 after the .96 release. Infinite customizing lured me away .
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thank you for this explaining, i just feel ok
Jb way worse than ics
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psxpetey said:
Jb way worse than ics
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Such a comprehensive answer leaves no room for any doubt.
FenrirMX said:
Such a comprehensive answer leaves no room for any doubt.
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Haha I suppose I was going to say more but I got a force close lol ui is fairly buggy camera problems etc. I might try a clean install to improve performance but I doubt it will. Also battery drain is HUGE just texting for a couple hours I'll go down like 60%
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The problem is battery.
in ICS it takes 2 days, in JB just 10 hours even in sleep mode
ICS Vs JB
FenrirMX said:
Such a comprehensive answer leaves no room for any doubt.
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at the Moment ICS is Bugfree,
JB has Lag issues in Youtube/Video playback in MX player, Browser,
and Battery Life is better in ICS,
the UI is definitely smoother in JB though,
regards
psxpetey said:
Haha I suppose I was going to say more but I got a force close lol ui is fairly buggy camera problems etc. I might try a clean install to improve performance but I doubt it will. Also battery drain is HUGE just texting for a couple hours I'll go down like 60%
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Maybe it's because ion hasn't got .96 update yet...
So you dislike Jelly Bean...
cities516 said:
Maybe it's because ion hasn't got .96 update yet...
So you dislike Jelly Bean...
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Maybe how's .96? Knowing how long it took to get jellybean I doubt ion will get. 96
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darknessmc said:
The problem is battery.
in ICS it takes 2 days, in JB just 10 hours even in sleep mode
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10 hours was not normal at all. You're getting very bad results that noone else is getting. I'd check your apps, maybe do a clean installation. Also the results of the first day don't mean much because the phone is syncing a lot at the beginning. And disable Google Now.
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10 hours was not normal at all. You're getting very bad results that noone else is getting. I'd check your apps, maybe do a clean installation. Also the results of the first day don't mean much because the phone is syncing a lot at the beginning. And disable Google Now.
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Thanks I'll disable Google now and see how that works out.
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Thanks I'll disable Google now and see how that works out.
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Google Now is a battery nightmare, disable it unless you actively use it.

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