There is almost too much information on this forum!
All I would like to do is root my (wife's) phone in order to remove bloatware and install Ad Blocker, ideally without losing personal data. The phone's firmware was updated to FH13 yesterday using Kies and I am comfortable using Odin.
I read the entirety of this post, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1835033, along with several of the linked posts, and am still a bit confused. The OC upgrades are rather large and do not seem necessary since I am already running FH13. I downloaded the [ODIN] FH13 Kernel TAR.MD5, and can easily install this, but is there anything else I need in order to have root after installing this kernel?
Thank you.
Welcome to the E4GT.
Never too much information.
If as you've said you've already rooted the phone to FH13 and you are comfortable using Odin (I am hoping you mean you understand where to place the proper files and not just the 'one-clicks' - placing an update/tar/pit file in the wrong slot WILL kill your phone) you should probably grab Agat's latest safe kernel 5.4 here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1767421
Grab the tar and use Odin. Then you'll have a stock rooted phone with a safe kernel with recovery (CWM)
Seriously though taking a little time reading the stickies and how-tos will provide you with loads of information that can/will keep you from bricking your phone and save even more time being frustrated. Along with the added benefit of not being the one who killed your wife's phone.
Do you wife's phone right; have it all just work and be bullet proof and you'll be a hero. Kill it and you'll probably never hear the end of it.
Good luck.
leaderbuilder,
Thanks for taking time to reply.
To be clear, I have not yet rooted the phone - that is what I am trying to accomplish. I downloaded the kernel you referenced and loaded it using Odin. Upon reboot, I saw the yellow diamond with the exclamation point. Once the phone was up-and-running, I tried Root Checker and it indicated that the phone was not rooted. What step did I miss?
Thanks.
You have a couple of choices from the point at which you are at.
You can get the supersu zip, and flash in the phones recovery to root. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28086976
From here, you'll need to get triangle away and use to reset the flash count and clear the triangle.
You can also go ahead and use the rooted no data one click that you saw but didn't want to use to root, then use triangle away. But then you'll lose the recovery you just did and you'll have to do again.
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MoHoGalore,
I was just reading another post in which you were helping a novice like me.
I removed the triangle by reverting to a stock kernel - so i am back where I started. What i don't understand is this: The kernel is ~8 MB, but the one-click download is ~285 MB. Since rooting seems to be related to a small (?) change in the kernel, and since the phone is already running FH13, what else is included in the OC that is being installed to the phone?
groston said:
MoHoGalore,
I was just reading another post in which you were helping a novice like me.
I removed the triangle by reverting to a stock kernel - so i am back where I started. What i don't understand is this: The kernel is ~8 MB, but the one-click download is ~285 MB. Since rooting seems to be related to a small (?) change in the kernel, and since the phone is already running FH13, what else is included in the OC that is being installed to the phone?
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Howdy - and well, you have removed the triangle but you may not have reset the binary counter.. more on that in a min..
And having a custom kernel doesn't mean you're rooted. A custom kernel is a tool for rooted rom's. That is what a one click can do for you, or you can do, with that first step you took.. (And the one click is the "core" of the build that you're replacing, that is rooted. If that makes sense.)
So, here's a few line ups that I would do if I were you;
1. Odin a rooted rom tar (Crawrj has these avalible in current updates) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1844109 check out the first few posts, tells you all you need to do this. (The link is FH13. FH23 is said to be a dev build and has issues that are, well, going to be there..)
2.Odin a custom kernel (Which you did, and I guess now you're back stock) I had to change the order as I first posted. The rom tar will place stock recovery/kernel back. So you want to odin the custom kernel after the rom.
Or
1. Odin custom kernel. (Which you did, and I guess now you're back stock)
2. Using either superuser or supersu, root your rom (There are flash-able zips and tars for Odin)
3. Using triangle away, clear the triangle and reset binary counter.
Or
1. Get Garwynns One click no data and complete the operation in a few steps. (You can find that in RWilco's thread in post #2 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1835033)
At the point that you do get rooted, and your on ICS, you need to run triangle away and confirm binary flash count if you ever want to send your phone in for service and want it not to show you flashed anything.. Just my suggestion.
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I have read through this forum and I am still unclear about a few things. First off I have a vibrant and have been flashing roms/themes, ect. I just got a epic 4g and get things straight before flashing.
1. The epic is completely stock, can i just use z4 root then flash cwm from rom manager on market? Or do I need a different kernel first? If I do need a new kernel, could I just use one of the kernel flashers on the market like SGS Flasher so I do not need to use odin?
Every thread I have seen has been mentioning using odin for the root/cwm 3 process. I have a macbook pro and my desktop pc is ancient so I try to avoid using odin whenever possible.
2. Just to confirm, is it really hard to actually brick this phone? I have messed around with my Vibrant, soft bricking it a few times but never had a problem restoring a stock rom.
3. Once rooted and cwm mod flashed I can go to any rom right?
Thanks and I know there are very similar questions already posted, I just wanted to be 100% clear because some answers were really vague.
You can use z4root but you can't install cwm with rom manager on stock kernel. It is really hard to brick the epic and yes once rooted with cwm you can get to flashing. Odin is used just to flash stock roms. I used it to flash the dk28 froyo rom and I only use it if I have to. Try to get your hands on a windows computer to root it with cwm. You can run the root plus cwm that is stickied in the development section. Once that is done you are ready to go. Good luck
Im in the exact same boat dude. I've had mine for about 4 days and still haven't done anything else but update to DK28. I did the z4root first, then thee next day I did the update. Now my SU doesn't work and I can't unroot using z4root. Phone just starts to vibrate and then I get a FC. I dunno, going to have to odin once I get some time. Really diggin my epic, but the vibrant was so simple and fun.
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rrodxbox360repair said:
I have read through this forum and I am still unclear about a few things. First off I have a vibrant and have been flashing roms/themes, ect. I just got a epic 4g and get things straight before flashing.
1. The epic is completely stock, can i just use z4 root then flash cwm from rom manager on market? Or do I need a different kernel first? If I do need a new kernel, could I just use one of the kernel flashers on the market like SGS Flasher so I do not need to use odin?
Every thread I have seen has been mentioning using odin for the root/cwm 3 process. I have a macbook pro and my desktop pc is ancient so I try to avoid using odin whenever possible.
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While you may be able to use z4root to to root your phone, like musclehead84, I am under the impression that you can't install CWM through Rom Manager on the stock kernel (LINK supporting this, I may be wrong though). It may work with other kernels, but to flash those kernels, you need CWM... kind of a Catch 22. Not sure if SGS Flasher will work for flashing a new kernel, but if I recall correctly, I remember reading atleast one thread resulting the need for a restore after using SGS Flasher (Odin or Nandroid, can't remember which).
And your not using Odin for root/CWM, your using adb (included with the one click root and CWM download), which I believe can be run from the terminal on a Mac with the right adb version ('one click' OSX LINK using older joey-krim root method, but if your flashing a new pre-rooted rom anyway, will work fine).
2. Just to confirm, is it really hard to actually brick this phone? I have messed around with my Vibrant, soft bricking it a few times but never had a problem restoring a stock rom.
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Yes, it is fairly hard to actually brick the Epic. If you have issues flashing your phone with Odin, the most likely culprit will be the usb cable. I have also read others having luck with removing the micro sd card before flashing, or even booting into download mode (which is done by holding '1' on the keyboard while pressing the power button) while leaving the battery removed.
3. Once rooted and cwm mod flashed I can go to any rom right?
Thanks and I know there are very similar questions already posted, I just wanted to be 100% clear because some answers were really vague.
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Yes, with a couple caveat's... If your flashing a froyo rom, you will need to make sure you also atleast update the modem to the proper one (i.e. DK28) using Odin, or flash the leaked 'official' beta update.zip while on a stock DI18 to take you to DK28 with modem, (LINK with instructions, would do this before bothering to root or anything though). And if you decide to convert to EXT4 (DK28 only), that's a whole other story.
Hey guys. I actually don't even have this phone yet but will be getting it shortly. I definitely want to root it (I have a rooted EVO 4G and Xoom tablet) I'm a little confused though about the different methods I'm seeing.
My goal is to obtain a fully rooted phone w/ stock everything. What is the best method to do this?
ODIN this and you will get CWM, root, Ive found the LOStkernel to be a lot better than stock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1296348
Smoked600 said:
ODIN this and you will get CWM, root, Ive found the LOStkernel to be a lot better than stock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1296348
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Sorry for the noob question but when I watch Qbking's video on this kernel he says you need to be rooted and have CWM installed to flash the kernel. But what you're saying is this kernel can provide root, add CWM and flash the kernel if you use Odin to do it? If so, I'm right in saying I'd want to download the TAR file rather than the ZIP? For root, would I need to flash SuperUser via CWM or is it built into the kernel?
I've been thinking about jumping into root soon to try out the Starburst ROM and I've evaluating the cleanest way to gain Root + CWM. I was thinking about using Bubby's method, but this seems solid too if my assumptions above are correct. This would be my first Android root by the way so I'm being patient and extra careful.
I just got this phone recently and rooted it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268548
thats a really good place to start. but to be honest every time you use odin and you flash a kernal in odin you'll get an annoying Yellow triangle that pops up in the beggining. So Your best bet is to flash to a kernal to gain root then flash the kernal from the unroot tutorial as if your unrooting the phone it wont remove superuser.apk automatically, and it will remove the yellow triangle, then from that point just use either cwm or the zimage flasher from adb to do it.
My recommended steps are
this one first for gaining root
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kExN-Y2pfxA
then this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySskTt-S-cM
Follow links in youtube description.
after you do that, don't use odin anymore just use cwm and that adb script for changing kernals and you'll never get that annoying triangle again.
Also be aware that everytime you flash with odin the phones bootloader records that you flashed it, meaning even if you take it back to stock if sprint wants to look at it for warranty purposes they can still see that you did something to it. which means that youll need a $2 jig to wipe that count which I don't even know where that is.
If you can use a temp root thats used for 2.3 gingerbread on other devices then use second link in youtube to avoid using odin, I kinda wished I knew before because then I would have done some more experimenting with the phone. so annoying, I have control of this device and at the same time not which really sucks!
Edit BTW: Why use the starburst rom it doesnt really look that snazy to me for me to consider jumping to it the stock one works great why not just flash a deodex stock one and flash a theme to it, theres some really sick themes in the theme section of xda check it out! XD
Smoked600 said:
ODIN this and you will get CWM, root, Ive found the LOStkernel to be a lot better than stock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1296348
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I had some wake lag (about 2 second delay between pressing the power button and screen turning on) with the LoStKernel, so I've been running this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284511
It's been working well for me so far. You'll have to get root access first, so try out the LoStKernel to gain root access and if you don't like it switch to this.
I recently rooted my phone following the instructions posted on this forum. Everything went great and I have been running my phone rooted for a number of weeks now (EK02).
Well, I redownloaded the e4gtauto-sfx.exe package, ran the OTA Compliance check for EK02-EL29 and everything was fine. I proceeded to go with options C and then L (Install BootImg EL29+CWM-Rogue) and that went without a hitch, rebooted and everything appears to be running fine. I checked my phone settings and noticed the following:
Baseband Version: S: D710.10 S.EK02
Kernel Version: 2.6.35.7-SPH-D710.EL29-CL852097
Build Number: GINGERBREAD.EK02
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Can someone explain why the baseband version and build number still say EK02? I was under the impression that information above would all say EL29. Should I run the OTA update?
Thanks.
ExitusLSU said:
I recently rooted my phone following the instructions posted on this forum. Everything went great and I have been running my phone rooted for a number of weeks now (EK02).
Well, I redownloaded the e4gtauto-sfx.exe package, ran the OTA Compliance check for EK02-EL29 and everything was fine. I proceeded to go with options C and then L (Install BootImg EL29+CWM-Rogue) and that went without a hitch, rebooted and everything appears to be running fine. I checked my phone settings and noticed the following:
Can someone explain why the baseband version and build number still say EK02? I was under the impression that information above would all say EL29. Should I run the OTA update?
Thanks.
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Can't explain to you why it still says that but I'm running EL29 ROMs and they still say baseband EK02 so don't run it again. It's updated and as long as its running fine, leave it alone.
Edit: After looking at QBking77's video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfZaALRWANQ&feature=player_embedded#!, at the 49 sec mark it shows build number EL29 and Baseband EK02. Hmmm, not sure what that means. So I guess at least the baseband should have changed.
lopezpm said:
Can't explain to you why it still says that but I'm running EL29 ROMs and they still say baseband EK02 so don't run it again. It's updated and as long as its running fine, leave it alone.
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Thanks for the quick reply.
I'm not running any custom ROMs at the moment. I just wanted the phone rooted. The interface looks the same as it did when I got the phone. When I update via the auto process I described above, is it only updating the kernel? Does the broadband version and build number refer to the user interface?
Total Noob here, but a friend rooted my phone (to give me WIFI tether, did not flash a ROM) yesterday and this morning Sprint pushed the EL29 update which I installed. Did I screw up by installing the OTA update on a root-only phone?
ExitusLSU said:
I recently rooted my phone following the instructions posted on this forum. Everything went great and I have been running my phone rooted for a number of weeks now (EK02).
Well, I redownloaded the e4gtauto-sfx.exe package, ran the OTA Compliance check for EK02-EL29 and everything was fine. I proceeded to go with options C and then L (Install BootImg EL29+CWM-Rogue) and that went without a hitch, rebooted and everything appears to be running fine. I checked my phone settings and noticed the following:
Can someone explain why the baseband version and build number still say EK02? I was under the impression that information above would all say EL29. Should I run the OTA update?
Thanks.
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I could be wrong, and if I am, I'm sure to be corrected. Your Baseband, kernel, and ROM (what the build number refers to) are all seperate parts. The Baseband I believe refers to your modem. It looks like the only thing you updated was the kernel, as the recovery (CWM-Rogue) is actually part of the kernel, not your ROM. Make sure the ROM you're running is EL29 based. To flash the updated EL29 modem, check out the Epic 4G Touch development forum, there is a thread stickied with all of the available modems that are flashable from CWM.
Did that help?
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ShoePhone said:
Total Noob here, but a friend rooted my phone (to give me WIFI tether, did not flash a ROM) yesterday and this morning Sprint pushed the EL29 update which I installed. Did I screw up by installing the OTA update on a root-only phone?
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You just lost root. Installing any update pushed by the carrier will remove your root access.
seph1cloud said:
I could be wrong, and if I am, I'm sure to be corrected. Your Baseband, kernel, and ROM (what the build number refers to) are all seperate parts. The Baseband I believe refers to your modem. It looks like the only thing you updated was the kernel, as the recovery (CWM-Rogue) is actually part of the kernel, not your ROM. Make sure the ROM you're running is EL29 based. To flash the updated EL29 modem, check out the Epic 4G Touch development forum, there is a thread stickied with all of the available modems that are flashable from CWM.
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Appreciate the help. That cleared a lot of things up for me.
Once I update those components to the appropriate EL29 components, do you know if the Sprint OTA update notification will go away or do I need to just go ahead and follow the stickied thread about disabling update notifications?
Thanks.
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You just lost root. Installing any update pushed by the carrier will remove your root access.
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How do I go about getting root back, without the help of my friend? Thanks for your help. Pretty sure he used the auto root method with et4g files, etc from what I watched him do.
Never accept OTA's once you're rooted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19269878
Read the whole thing 2 or 3 times. Watch the videos also by qbking77
Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk
lopezpm said:
Never accept OTA's once you're rooted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19269878
Read the whole thing 2 or 3 times. Watch the videos also by qbking77
Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk
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So after reading the Autoroot thread you linked, am I interpreting it correctly that since I updated with the OTA EL29, I can't have stock root (as I had previously) but root + CWM Rom? If so, what does this change on my end as far as the Touchwiz interface, etc? Does tethering/Hotspot come automatically with CWM? Thanks for your patience as I am guessing these are pretty rudimentary questions.
ShoePhone said:
So after reading the Autoroot thread you linked, am I interpreting it correctly that since I updated with the OTA EL29, I can't have stock root (as I had previously) but root + CWM Rom? If so, what does this change on my end as far as the Touchwiz interface, etc? Does tethering/Hotspot come automatically with CWM? Thanks for your patience as I am guessing these are pretty rudimentary questions.
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I would just flash a stock rooted EL29 ROM with ODIN
sent from the near past
ShoePhone said:
So after reading the Autoroot thread you linked, am I interpreting it correctly that since I updated with the OTA EL29, I can't have stock root (as I had previously) but root + CWM Rom? If so, what does this change on my end as far as the Touchwiz interface, etc? Does tethering/Hotspot come automatically with CWM? Thanks for your patience as I am guessing these are pretty rudimentary questions.
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CWM or ClockworkMod Recovery is simply a custom recovery that is used for various purposes. With CWM you can do a nandroid backup,flash ROMs, Kernels, Themes, etc. A custom recovery is something you definitely want. The touchwiz interface will not be affected at all by achieving root or installing a custom recovery. Wifi-Tether is not something that is automatically installed with root, however once rooted, you should be able to install Wifi-Tether without any issues.
ShoePhone said:
So after reading the Autoroot thread you linked, am I interpreting it correctly that since I updated with the OTA EL29, I can't have stock root (as I had previously) but root + CWM Rom? If so, what does this change on my end as far as the Touchwiz interface, etc? Does tethering/Hotspot come automatically with CWM? Thanks for your patience as I am guessing these are pretty rudimentary questions.
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You can have exactly what you had before. If you want just root, you can have that. If you want root+CWM you can have that. If you want just CWM, you can have that.
What they plugged in EL29 is the exploit used by the Auto Root package (Option A) to achieve root. Instead of having you run Option A, I just did it for you and pre-rooted a EL29 ROM and packaged it as an ODIN One-Click.
Basically you just double-click on the ODIN One-Click, reboot your phone into d/l mode, connect your phone to your PC, and press start.
Use the ODIN EL29 link in my signature.
If you want CWM, just use Auto Root Option C to install EL29+CWM-Rogue (you don't need to do this unless you want to)
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ExitusLSU said:
I recently rooted my phone following the instructions posted on this forum. Everything went great and I have been running my phone rooted for a number of weeks now (EK02).
Well, I redownloaded the e4gtauto-sfx.exe package, ran the OTA Compliance check for EK02-EL29 and everything was fine. I proceeded to go with options C and then L (Install BootImg EL29+CWM-Rogue) and that went without a hitch, rebooted and everything appears to be running fine. I checked my phone settings and noticed the following:
Can someone explain why the baseband version and build number still say EK02? I was under the impression that information above would all say EL29. Should I run the OTA update?
Thanks.
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The OTA Compliance Check is there to tell you *if* the OTA update will be successful on your phone. It checks all the files the OTA patches to make sure they haven't been deleted or modified.
You would still need to run the EL29 OTA update to actually get a full EL29. However, I would suggest you install the pre-rooted EL29 ODIN One-Click in my signature, as that will keep your root.
Option C in Auto Root only installs CWM (which is packed into the EL29 kernel), thus only your kernel changed version #s. Ideally you would run the aforementioned pre-rooted EL29 ODIN One-Click to have a rooted stock EL29, then decide you want CWM, and run Auto Root Option C to install EL29+CWM-Rogue.
Alternatively, you might be on a previous version of the ROM but want to try the EL29 kernel and would install EL29 or EL29+CWM-Rogue to see how it performs with your previous ROM.
ExitusLSU said:
Appreciate the help. That cleared a lot of things up for me.
Once I update those components to the appropriate EL29 components, do you know if the Sprint OTA update notification will go away or do I need to just go ahead and follow the stickied thread about disabling update notifications?
Thanks.
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I haven't read the sticky about disabling the update notifications but I'm running all EL29 (custom ROM, modem and, EL29 based kernel) and do not get the update notifications.
There is an application called Sprint Installer that handles OTA updates and notifications which may be stripped out of the ROM I'm using. You can uninstall or freeze the Sprint Installer with Titanium Backup.
so does EL29 work better than the Ek02?
Depends. For some people yes, for some people no.
I'm actually having trouble....
I got the message saying that a new update can be installed. I click it but when it tries to install it it gives me the android guy with the triangle and "!" mark in it. It won't update :/. I use the UnNamed Rom v2.0.1. I then tried to wipe the phone back to factory reset. I wiped to factory reset, wiped cache, and wiped delvik cache. Maybe then I could download the new EL29 OTA. I tried to restart the phone and I just get the Samasung Galaxy S2 logo and it hangs.
When I install the UnNamed Rom zip, it works again.
Please help.... I am kinda new to this. :/
I just want to get ride of the notification. I'm a freak about not having anything up there .
So is there something we need to download to get this update? Kinda new to root so don't really know what to do here.
sfhub said:
You can have exactly what you had before. If you want just root, you can have that. If you want root+CWM you can have that. If you want just CWM, you can have that.
What they plugged in EL29 is the exploit used by the Auto Root package (Option A) to achieve root. Instead of having you run Option A, I just did it for you and pre-rooted a EL29 ROM and packaged it as an ODIN One-Click.
Basically you just double-click on the ODIN One-Click, reboot your phone into d/l mode, connect your phone to your PC, and press start.
Use the ODIN EL29 link in my signature.
If you want CWM, just use Auto Root Option C to install EL29+CWM-Rogue (you don't need to do this unless you want to)
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Thanks for the help. If I now want to use the AutoRoot Option C above, what will the addition of CWM-Rogue give me?
O lord! My Galaxy 2 is rooted, and I woke up this morning to that OTA update. It's stuck on the little green android and exclamation screen. Any ideas where to go from here? Thanks for any suggestions....I don't want to brick my phone.
dougswub said:
O lord! My Galaxy 2 is rooted, and I woke up this morning to that OTA update. It's stuck on the little green android and exclamation screen. Any ideas where to go from here? Thanks for any suggestions....I don't want to brick my phone.
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Just hit the home button and you should see recovery, home or power, I forget which I hit but once I did the exclamation went away and I just rebooted normally.
Hi im new to the S3 and I have some rooting questions.
There seems to be many ways to Flash the phone Odin, CWM, Adb, mobile odin. There also seems to be a few ways to root the phone as well.
First off to clarify...."flashing" is essentially like installing right? I would think that you require to flash roms, updates, software kernels etc.
What about rooting? i thought rooting was something else (like entering a passcode to get admin access, or hacking something) until i came across Root with no flash counter
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
It seems like they are flashing to root. Is flashing to root or injecting the root the normal rooting procedure? If this is considered as normal, then rooting, is essentially like installing a rom(via flashing) with more admin access.....
It seems to me that CWM has multi uses, from flashing to restoring or creating backups.
Is Odin, ADB, and mobile odin the same? Or are those specifically for flashing ROMs?
Is the no counter trip rooting method good for my Canadian S3 on Rogers I747 model?
I've also noticed the flash tripping method combined with Triangle away to reset flash count.
Then theres this Rogers ROOT page (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1822308).
and this INTRODUCING THE SAMSUNG GALAXY S3 TOOLKIT [SNAPDRAGON EDITION]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1746665
how does these differ with each other?
S3 toolkit
Rogers method
root with no counter trip
root with counter trip
any other root methods?
Which one is recommended?
Thanks!
mikoal said:
Hi im new to the S3 and I have some rooting questions.
There seems to be many ways to Flash the phone Odin, CWM, Adb, mobile odin. There also seems to be a few ways to root the phone as well.
First off to clarify...."flashing" is essentially like installing right? I would think that you require to flash roms, updates, software kernels etc.
What about rooting? i thought rooting was something else (like entering a passcode to get admin access, or hacking something) until i came across Root with no flash counter
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
It seems like they are flashing to root. Is flashing to root or injecting the root the normal rooting procedure? If this is considered as normal, then rooting, is essentially like installing a rom(via flashing) with more admin access.....
It seems to me that CWM has multi uses, from flashing to restoring or creating backups.
Is Odin, ADB, and mobile odin the same? Or are those specifically for flashing ROMs?
Is the no counter trip rooting method good for my Canadian S3 on Rogers I747 model?
I've also noticed the flash tripping method combined with Triangle away to reset flash count.
Then theres this Rogers ROOT page (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1822308).
and this INTRODUCING THE SAMSUNG GALAXY S3 TOOLKIT [SNAPDRAGON EDITION]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1746665
how does these differ with each other?
S3 toolkit
Rogers method
root with no counter trip
root with counter trip
any other root methods?
Which one is recommended?
Thanks!
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All this counter trip and not counter trip is basically how many times You used download mode. Theres a app called triangle away that resets that binary flash with root and has been tested on a sstock rooted rom. Either way. Counter trips don't matter as long as your not sending it away to samsung or for warranty to get something fixed. Its really your decision.. this is how i rooted and extremely easy way theres even a youtube how to which was so easy to follow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoEVDgjTTdg&list=PL7011CD883D5201B8&index=12&feature=plpp_video
They way i gave does change ur counter trip.. but as i said before you can Always!! always reset it using an amazing app for free by chainfire thats called triangle away just search for his apk file online he has it for free and a paid version on Google play if you wanna donate!
Now to install roms you obviously flash CWM sucks cuz u always gotta update it but its really your choice... i use twrp recovery! to install roms you need a custom recovery when you root with the method i gave you it gives u CWM.. But i went along on this app called Goo manager which provides you with a install of twrp recovery. When u have a recovery you can flash roms kernels basesbands and all that good stuff!!
Difference between a custom recovery and download mode (using odin) Odin is ONLY used when ur in download mode. That is where you can flash stock firrmware or root and unroot ur phone.
Thanks for the reply Amzi.
But do you know why there are so many methods of rooting it?
IE
1) the no counter tripping method http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1739426
2) Then theres this Rogers ROOT page (http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1822308).
3) The toolkit INTRODUCING THE SAMSUNG GALAXY S3 TOOLKIT [SNAPDRAGON EDITION] http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1746665
What is the toolkit anyways?
You can flash roms using twrp as well as cwm right? I noticed lots of ROMs asks u to use CWM, but perhaps they mean only to use custom recovery?
So your method gave you CWM, and you had to specially install TWRP on your phone using goo manager? I think would like to end up with TWRP as well.
Odin used in download mode can flash stock firrmware or root and unroot ur phone.
Custom recovery can do what? .......flash rom, recover, flash rom with injected root.....am i missing anything? But you need to root before having custom recovery on the phone, so thats why Odin is necessary?
amzi said:
All this counter trip and not counter trip is basically how many times You used download mode. Theres a app called triangle away that resets that binary flash with root and has been tested on a sstock rooted rom. Either way. Counter trips don't matter as long as your not sending it away to samsung or for warranty to get something fixed. Its really your decision.. this is how i rooted and extremely easy way theres even a youtube how to which was so easy to follow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoEVDgjTTdg&list=PL7011CD883D5201B8&index=12&feature=plpp_video
They way i gave does change ur counter trip.. but as i said before you can Always!! always reset it using an amazing app for free by chainfire thats called triangle away just search for his apk file online he has it for free and a paid version on Google play if you wanna donate!
Now to install roms you obviously flash CWM sucks cuz u always gotta update it but its really your choice... i use twrp recovery! to install roms you need a custom recovery when you root with the method i gave you it gives u CWM.. But i went along on this app called Goo manager which provides you with a install of twrp recovery. When u have a recovery you can flash roms kernels basesbands and all that good stuff!!
Difference between a custom recovery and download mode (using odin) Odin is ONLY used when ur in download mode. That is where you can flash stock firrmware or root and unroot ur phone.
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Thanks for the reply Amzi.
But do you know why there are so many methods of rooting it?
IE
1) the no counter tripping method http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1739426
2) Then theres this Rogers ROOT page (http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1822308).
3) The toolkit INTRODUCING THE SAMSUNG GALAXY S3 TOOLKIT [SNAPDRAGON EDITION] http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1746665
What is the toolkit anyways?
You can flash roms using twrp as well as cwm right? I noticed lots of ROMs asks u to use CWM, but perhaps they mean only to use custom recovery?
So your method gave you CWM, and you had to specially install TWRP on your phone using goo manager? I think would like to end up with TWRP as well.
Odin used in download mode can flash stock firrmware or root and unroot ur phone.
Custom recovery can do what? .......flash rom, recover, flash rom with injected root.....am i missing anything? But you need to root before having custom recovery on the phone, so thats why Odin is necessary?
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Toolkit is just another way to root your phone, there is also the auto root method here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33460531
Odin gives superuser access onto your phone via flashing a root injected stock firmware.
A custom recovery is needed to flash,backup, and restore ROMs, kernels, and modems. So long as they are in flash able .zip form.
Custom recovery have to be obtained from apps.
CWM-rom manager
TWRP-goo manager
When a ROM asks you to use a specific recovery, its not because another bone wouldn't work. It just works better with stated recovery. As long as I have used TWRP I haven't come across a ROM I couldn't flash flawlessly.
Odin is necessary as a starting point for getting a custom ROM onto your device. Or removing one and going back to stock for whatever reason that may be.
AT&T SGS3 Marble White
ParanoidKangDroid 1.4 ROM
KT747 11/13 kernel OC'ed & UV'ed
Medical Marijuana Supporter
Dankest said:
Toolkit is just another way to root your phone, there is also the auto root method here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33460531
Odin gives superuser access onto your phone via flashing a root injected stock firmware.
A custom recovery is needed to flash,backup, and restore ROMs, kernels, and modems. So long as they are in flash able .zip form.
Custom recovery have to be obtained from apps.
CWM-rom manager
TWRP-goo manager
When a ROM asks you to use a specific recovery, its not because another bone wouldn't work. It just works better with stated recovery. As long as I have used TWRP I haven't come across a ROM I couldn't flash flawlessly.
Odin is necessary as a starting point for getting a custom ROM onto your device. Or removing one and going back to stock for whatever reason that may be.
AT&T SGS3 Marble White
ParanoidKangDroid 1.4 ROM
KT747 11/13 kernel OC'ed & UV'ed
Medical Marijuana Supporter
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So no matter what, you must start with Odin to root and the ability to get custom ROMs via recovery programs?
Regardless of
1) rogers method
2) non counter tripping method
3) counter tripping method
4) Toolkit
5) autoroot
Can someone explain to me what are the fine differences between these methods?
Is Odin actually rooting the phone (super access=root right?) ? Or just giving the user access to install a rom that has root injected into it?
Hey Dan I also noticed that you OC and UV. have you taken a look at this?
http://androidforums.com/galaxy-s2-...4-why-you-shouldnt-under-volt-over-clock.html
Let me know what you think?
mikoal said:
So no matter what, you must start with Odin to root and the ability to get custom ROMs via recovery programs?
Regardless of
1) rogers method
2) non counter tripping method
3) counter tripping method
4) Toolkit
5) autoroot
Can someone explain to me what are the fine differences between these methods?
Is Odin actually rooting the phone (super access=root right?) ? Or just giving the user access to install a rom that has root injected into it?
Hey Dan I also noticed that you OC and UV. have you taken a look at this?
http://androidforums.com/galaxy-s2-...4-why-you-shouldnt-under-volt-over-clock.html
Let me know what you think?
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Odin:
Odin is directly flashing a stock ROM that has been modified to give you superuser access(root).
For the s3 yes you use Odin indirectly in order to obtain a custom ROM. Odin>>cwm/twrp>>custom ROM. Although you can just flash(a custom ROM) with Odin but I believe that will turn the flash counter. There are other programs also, such as adb( android data base) but I'd just stick with Odin its the easiest.
Differences:
1)never heard of this
2)this method is Mr Robinson's no counter trip method, it does as the name suggests. Flashes a root injected stock rom onto your device via Odin without voiding your warranty.I use this method and it is very simple and easy to do.
3)uses odin to flash a root injected stock ROM that does void your warranty(unless you use triangle away).
4)this method is just as it says also, it is a toolkit with everything you need to root your phone. It includes many things some of them are: drivers for communication to your computer,these are mostly needed for adb(android data base) which is a command prompt type application used to root backup and recover your phone. It also comes with Odin and stock images. This will void your warranty.
5) CF-Root is the root for "rooting beginners" and those who want to keep as close to stock as possible. CF-Root is meant to be used in combination with stock Samsung firmwares, and be the quickest and easiest way for your first root. I personally don't use this but if 8 million downloads swear by this method that's enough for me. This will void your warranty.
On the link about oc and UV:
Thanks that was a great read. I agree about most of the things there, but I don't believe that a slight over clock and under volt is one day going to make my phone take a sh!t. Also, if it does slow your phone when you under volt, it must be so slight that it isn't noticeable to us. I agree however that over clocking to the maximum potential can be harmful to your phones silicon and unless you are knowledgeable you shouldn't even attempt anything with your phone in that regard. Nevertheless the reason i undervolted was simple. I didn't like how my phones temperature skyrocketed when charging at stock MHz/voltages. It seemed more harmful to my phone when it was stock and charging than it is now slightly over clocked and undervolted, believe me when I say skyrocketed temps it would make the outer rubber on my otter box get so hot my hands would sweat from holding it.
What's your take on all of it?
AT&T SGS3 Marble White
ParanoidKangDroid 1.4 ROM
KT747 11/13 kernel OC'ed & UV'ed
Medical Marijuana Supporter
Dankest said:
Odin:
Odin is directly flashing a stock ROM that has been modified to give you superuser access(root).
For the s3 yes you use Odin indirectly in order to obtain a custom ROM. Odin>>cwm/twrp>>custom ROM. Although you can just flash(a custom ROM) with Odin but I believe that will turn the flash counter. There are other programs also, such as adb( android data base) but I'd just stick with Odin its the easiest.
Differences:
1)never heard of this
2)this method is Mr Robinson's no counter trip method, it does as the name suggests. Flashes a root injected stock rom onto your device via Odin without voiding your warranty.I use this method and it is very simple and easy to do.
3)uses odin to flash a root injected stock ROM that does void your warranty(unless you use triangle away).
4)this method is just as it says also, it is a toolkit with everything you need to root your phone. It includes many things some of them are: drivers for communication to your computer,these are mostly needed for adb(android data base) which is a command prompt type application used to root backup and recover your phone. It also comes with Odin and stock images. This will void your warranty.
5) CF-Root is the root for "rooting beginners" and those who want to keep as close to stock as possible. CF-Root is meant to be used in combination with stock Samsung firmwares, and be the quickest and easiest way for your first root. I personally don't use this but if 8 million downloads swear by this method that's enough for me. This will void your warranty.
On the link about oc and UV:
Thanks that was a great read. I agree about most of the things there, but I don't believe that a slight over clock and under volt is one day going to make my phone take a sh!t. Also, if it does slow your phone when you under volt, it must be so slight that it isn't noticeable to us. I agree however that over clocking to the maximum potential can be harmful to your phones silicon and unless you are knowledgeable you shouldn't even attempt anything with your phone in that regard. Nevertheless the reason i undervolted was simple. I didn't like how my phones temperature skyrocketed when charging at stock MHz/voltages. It seemed more harmful to my phone when it was stock and charging than it is now slightly over clocked and undervolted, believe me when I say skyrocketed temps it would make the outer rubber on my otter box get so hot my hands would sweat from holding it.
What's your take on all of it?
AT&T SGS3 Marble White
ParanoidKangDroid 1.4 ROM
KT747 11/13 kernel OC'ed & UV'ed
Medical Marijuana Supporter
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The "Rogers" rooting guide is shown here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1822308
So how does MrRobinson allow the process to be counter-increment free? Sound like both the counter trigger and the non counter trigger method uses Odin with rom injected root.
Regarding the OC/UV.
I was always interested in it but wary of the potential damage. The benefit you see from it doesnt seem to be that great considering you risk bricking things.
Now here is an interesting point. The article, the author mentioned that the people who design these chips should know the optimum settings. Which I agree with.
But he also said that each chip behaves differently on different settings.....yet im sure not all chips are clocked differently.
Thats makes me wonder if there is such room to move around.
Once again, there is risk involved, and unless you know that the UV or the OC isn't significant then it should theoretically be fine.
I thought you UV to reduce power. but the article had a great point about the screen takes most power and a few UV here and there wont reduce it too much.
I feel the S3 to be a bit sluggish and after i root, install whatever custom rom, i would like to venture into OC and UV. But.....nothing too extreme.
mikoal said:
The "Rogers" rooting guide is shown here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1822308
So how does MrRobinson allow the process to be counter-increment free? Sound like both the counter trigger and the non counter trigger method uses Odin with rom injected root.
Regarding the OC/UV.
I was always interested in it but wary of the potential damage. The benefit you see from it doesnt seem to be that great considering you risk bricking things.
Now here is an interesting point. The article, the author mentioned that the people who design these chips should know the optimum settings. Which I agree with.
But he also said that each chip behaves differently on different settings.....yet im sure not all chips are clocked differently.
Thats makes me wonder if there is such room to move around.
Once again, there is risk involved, and unless you know that the UV or the OC isn't significant then it should theoretically be fine.
I thought you UV to reduce power. but the article had a great point about the screen takes most power and a few UV here and there wont reduce it too much.
I feel the S3 to be a bit sluggish and after i root, install whatever custom rom, i would like to venture into OC and UV. But.....nothing too extreme.
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Yes, somehow Mr Robinson had found a way to bypass the flash counter.
You are correct most all of the methods to root uses Odin
Weird thing about over clocking and optimum settings. I've watched over the past few months custom ROMs kernels running at 1512 max, change the max that comes with the ROM to 1809, also Samsung's natural clock is around 1700 they under clock it at Tue factory to make the lifespan longer. But make no mistake its meant to be run at 1700.
I heard from task650 that every phone varies. which is why you get some people who can't under volt at all and others who can under volt way more than they should be able to. You'd think Samsung would just roll out the same chips with the same stress tests done on them.
AT&T SGS3 Marble White
ParanoidKangDroid 1.4 ROM
KT747 11/13 OC'ed & UV'ed
Medical Marijuana Supporter
I Have tried the latest version of triangle away and it only resets the counter till you reboot. Does the root injected images reset the counter? It's there another way to reset the counter? Not a big deal right now but wouldn't mind having it reset.
Thanks in advance
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I recently took the ota update to 4.1.2 mb1 and lost root. My question is can I use odin to flash [ROM|Stock Rooted] 3/3/13 Sprint Touchwiz Jelly Bean 4.1.2 (L710VPBMB1) Odex/DeOdex? And If so do I use the full ROM odex? And Do I have to flash anything besides the ROM? Or can I keep everything else stock?
Monoclypsus said:
I recently took the ota update to 4.1.2 mb1 and lost root. My question is can I use odin to flash [ROM|Stock Rooted] 3/3/13 Sprint Touchwiz Jelly Bean 4.1.2 (L710VPBMB1) Odex/DeOdex? And If so do I use the full ROM odex? And Do I have to flash anything besides the ROM? Or can I keep everything else stock?
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Hey there buddy, welcome to XDA (I see this is your second post).
Anyways, do you still have a custom recovery? I'm assuming you don't, since it sounds like you went all the way back to stock unrooted in order o get the update (in the future, Freeza typically has the update for Root users a week or so after the OTA release, so no need to go back to stock unrooted).
Anyways, back to your current situation. Since you most-likely have the stock recovery, you'll have to go back to being rooted with either CWM or TWRP (I prefer TWRP, but they're both good). I personally use mskip's toolkit, it's fairly straightforward. You could also follow qbking77's rooting method. He does a good job explaining how to root. Samsung hasn't locked their bootloader and don't try to in their updates, so these rooting methods stand the test of time (and updates).
Once you have a custom recovery installed (or if you already have one installed), FIRST THING to do is perform a nandroid backup. THIS IS KEY. Once you have one done, go ahead and flash Freeza's Stock Rooted ROM. I'd recommend doing a clean flash, as it's the best way to minimize the chances of errors and bugs. Just wipe system and cache and dalvik cache, and then flash the downloaded ROM. And speaking of downloading, be sure to check the md5 sum of the download before you flash. Most problems with the stable ROMs here on XDA stem from bad downloads.
You can also check out other ROMs. I won't go too crazy on advertising here, but scroll through these two sub-forums, Android Development and Original Android Development. I've enjoyed most ROMs I've tried.
Hope this helps!
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topherk said:
Hey there buddy, welcome to XDA (I see this is your second post).
Anyways, do you still have a custom recovery? I'm assuming you don't, since it sounds like you went all the way back to stock unrooted in order o get the update (in the future, Freeza typically has the update for Root users a week or so after the OTA release, so no need to go back to stock unrooted).
Anyways, back to your current situation. Since you most-likely have the stock recovery, you'll have to go back to being rooted with either CWM or TWRP (I prefer TWRP, but they're both good). I personally use mskip's toolkit, it's fairly straightforward. You could also follow qbking77's rooting method. He does a good job explaining how to root. Samsung hasn't locked their bootloader and don't try to in their updates, so these rooting methods stand the test of time (and updates).
Once you have a custom recovery installed (or if you already have one installed), FIRST THING to do is perform a nandroid backup. THIS IS KEY. Once you have one done, go ahead and flash Freeza's Stock Rooted ROM. I'd recommend doing a clean flash, as it's the best way to minimize the chances of errors and bugs. Just wipe system and cache and dalvik cache, and then flash the downloaded ROM. And speaking of downloading, be sure to check the md5 sum of the download before you flash. Most problems with the stable ROMs here on XDA stem from bad downloads.
You can also check out other ROMs. I won't go too crazy on advertising here, but scroll through these two sub-forums, Android Development and Original Android Development. I've enjoyed most ROMs I've tried.
Hope this helps!
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Ok, just out of curiousity... Before I took the OTA i was rooted 4.1.1 stock with stock recovery. Is there any way to do it the same? The method I used before was this [HOWTO] [ROOT] No Tripping Flash Counter [SPR L710VPBLJ7] JB 4.1.1. It was super quick and easy.
Monoclypsus said:
Ok, just out of curiousity... Before I took the OTA i was rooted 4.1.1 stock with stock recovery. Is there any way to do it the same? The method I used before was this [HOWTO] [ROOT] No Tripping Flash Counter [SPR L710VPBLJ7] JB 4.1.1. It was super quick and easy.
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Yeah, that same method should work. I personally like the custom recoveries, but understand your desires to leave it at stock recovery (not triggering the flash counter).
Like I mentioned before, Samsung hasn't (and most likely won't) locked their bootloaders, so any rooting method that has worked in the past should work in the future. Just make sure to read the last 3-4 pages of the thread for whatever method you're trying to use to see if there are any issues. I know an earlier version of mskip's toolkit was having issues with JB for a little bit (it's updated now).
Well I'm gonna give it a shot. Ill let you know how it turns out.
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Just went with cf autoroot. Worked fine.
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I've got a problem I installed the OTA and now I cant boot into android. Its stuck on starting apps. I have the stock recovery. How can I fix this?. What do I do? I can get to ODIN download mode. *edit** can get into safemode too. And I now have a custom recovery installed.
I still dont know what to do from here. How do I flash the downloaded rom because the new file I downloaded seems to be a zip and can only be flashed with CWM not ODIN. I cant place it in the right directory of my phone to do that.
jkj said:
I've got a problem I installed the OTA and now I cant boot into android. Its stuck on starting apps. I have the stock recovery. How can I fix this?. What do I do? I can get to ODIN download mode. *edit** can get into safemode too. And I now have a custom recovery installed.
I still dont know what to do from here. How do I flash the downloaded rom because the new file I downloaded seems to be a zip and can only be flashed with CWM not ODIN. I cant place it in the right directory of my phone to do that.
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I replied to your thread. I hope it works for what you need.