Hi,
IMHO, sense 4 is dragging the phone down. I'm currently using Lloir's CM9 RC1 build with great joy. UI is vastly improve and very fast, especially contact/phone app. However, there are few stock sense app that I do miss, namely, the HTC camera and mail. CM9 mail app doesn't check new mail on non-inbox folders. CM9 also has stability/compatibility issues on some apps.
AFAIK, those HTC apps use part of sense framework to run. So, I'm not sure what is easier/more possible to do between, trying run sense app on CM9 or trying to run CM9 launcher/phone app (or stock ICS launcher) and remove (most of) sense.
Any idea?
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I mean, what will I lose if I choose to use a rom without sense?
Do I get less battery drain?
you'll lose:
Sense Launcher, Sense Widgets - this can be fully replaced by Launcher Plus Pro, or, if you don't like the look of Sense Widgets by ADW.Launcher
Sense programs, like mail, calendar, ...
FM Radio
HTC Sync - you won't be able to sync your Desire calendar with Outlook directly any longer. You'll have to buy third party software to do this via the Google cloud or you use an Exchange Server.
Because the HTC Froyo source got released now, as it seems, you'll also be able to undervolt Sense ROMs now.
However, non Sense ROMs are lighter, more customized and contain some essential features which I miss on Sense ROMs: Bluetooth HID support.
Why get rid of sense?, its amazing!!!
you will also loose htc dialer and htc contacts
I love sense because of the widgets I keep it for that.
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Agreed. I love everything about sense. It makes the phone great. If I wanted senseless I could have bought an N1.
Sense is the reason desire is the best smart phone! I would not dream having a smartphone without it...
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Sense is very nice but I see that there are many roms that don't contain it. So, I was wondering if it realy is neasecery, or what is better in a non-sense rom, and if a non-sense rom is less hungry for battery
I have two Desires - one has a Sense ROM and the other is running CyanogenMod. There are one or two small things I prefer about the CyanogenMod ROM, but a great deal more I prefer about Sense, but there are others on this forum who will tell you the opposite, and be equally correct because it is just an opinion.
One thing I will say though is that you will often hear that non-Sense ROMs are "faster" than Sense ROMs. In my experience, if there is a speed difference, you can only really tell in benchmarks - in general use I feel my Sense phone is every bit as fast as my CyanogenMod phone. The same is true on battery life - both seem to sip about the same amount of power.
I don't think there is any real alternative other than trying out a non-Sense ROM for yourself and making your own choice.
Regards,
Dave
You can undervolt Sense roms of course. Also now with S-Off you can remove the Sense apps you dont need easily from the phone.
After playing with a non-Sense rom I am back to a Sense one mainly because I cold not live with the battery drain and I can now customize the Sense apps.
On Alex 1.7 and with light use I can almost go 3 days on a battery... with a non-Sense rom I could barely make 24-36h (wipe before flash and few apps installed, no sync), so it's clear in my case which rom type drains more battery.
Also this Alex 1.7 Sense rom is smooth as silk and I never get any apps or the whole phone crashing (daily occurence in aosp rom for many people?).
Aosp roms are great if you like messing around with your phone all the time, but you cant get away with the fact that Sense roms just work.
Respect to all the rom makers Sense or non.Sense.
Thanks for all the responses, you helped a lot =]
Nutsonfire said:
After playing with a non-Sense rom I am back to a Sense one mainly because I cold not live with the battery drain and I can now customize the Sense apps.
On Alex 1.7 and with light use I can almost go 3 days on a battery... with a non-Sense rom I could barely make 24-36h (wipe before flash and few apps installed, no sync), so it's clear in my case which rom type drains more battery.
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Mhh, something wasn't working properly then. With very light use I can also get 3 days battery life.
Else it's difficult to compare, because it heavily depends on how you use the phone. Playing around, surfing, ... drastically reduces battery life.
However, at the moment I use DeFroST 5.0 with HAVS kernel and the battery life looks perfect to me.
Nutsonfire said:
Also this Alex 1.7 Sense rom is smooth as silk and I never get any apps or the whole phone crashing (daily occurence in aosp rom for many people?).
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Should be fixed now. AOSP roms had a few issues, but at it seems as if they're ironed out.
Nutsonfire said:
Aosp roms are great if you like messing around with your phone all the time, but you cant get away with the fact that Sense roms just work.
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Somehow true, sometimes, but sense roms also have bugs often, and a not working revision, which gets fixed in the next release.
So if you want a stable ROM use the stock. If you want some customization, use a custom sense rom. If you don't use sense features, replaced it with other apps/widgets/tools, and need some AOSP rom features, then get an AOSP rom.
i dont have a Desire atm, but i plan on getting one soon (or possibly the DHD). I like sense, especially the new one which allows you to theme it. But something i've noticed with sense compared to stock is that HTC have removed a lot of animations. Like when opening an app or closing it. It instantly opens or closes with no animation. Stock android has a sort of zoom in zoom out animations.
From what i understand, HTC have set the options to "Some animations" in the settings by default. Could someone here go into Settings, Sound and Display, Animations, and set it to All Animations and report here if they see any changes?
htc contacts, gallery , dialer , camera and video , radio, weather ,friendstream are light years and galaxies far away from the aosp android ones...
is there any way to get sense apps like the Music, camera, and phone onto vanlla phones or on cyanogen
I was hoping there was a way to get the dialer from a sense rom onto any stock rom. I actually may try that out later this week and see if it works (doubtful).
It requires sense framework for the Widgets as I've asked this before, as far as camera mods and what not I've seen that on vanilla roms but I'm sure there are geniuses that dwell on XDA that could figure it out.
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Eventually, there will be hacked up ROMs with bits and pieces from every corner of the earth - I wanted the same thing on my Nexus (stock with the HTC cam) and there were a few options (though all had bugs here and there). Given the G2 was *just* permrooted, it might be a few weeks/months before you see some really creative ROMs.
Other stuff, like the lockscreen, can be changed with apps like widgetlocker and such.
You should definitely try out the Desire Z rom, though. It's all kinds of awesome, with new features that weren't there in previous versions of Sense. Hell, the camera app alone is worth it - makes the stock Android camera app look like a joke.
Sense apps have never and will never work on a non-sense based rom as it has far too much reliance on lots of frameworks (its a messy area).
The closest you will get is a rom like SuperVillain (out later today) that is a Sense based rom but with Rosie (Launcher) and widgets removed so looks like vanilla but still has all the sense apps working.
Keep an eye on villainrom.co.uk or the dev section here on xda for the rom release of SuperVillainZ
Lennyuk said:
Sense apps have never and will never work on a non-sense based rom as it has far too much reliance on lots of frameworks (its a messy area).
The closest you will get is a rom like SuperVillain (out later today) that is a Sense based rom but with Rosie (Launcher) and widgets removed so looks like vanilla but still has all the sense apps working.
Keep an eye on villainrom.co.uk or the dev section here on xda for the rom release of SuperVillainZ
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614427
Enomther's TheOfficial has the option of both the HTC Camera and the HTC Music app - plus you can install the HTC IME (onscreen keyboard) easily as an APK (there's even a kitchen that lets you customize the colors and such).
Your sig claims you've owned 4 android phones. So you're obviously not a super noob. So my question to you is -
Did searching just not occur to you, or did you honestly believe you were not the 7,548th person to ask this question?
I am not asking about sense widgets because im aware that i need to have the sense framework running but im just wondering about the 2 apps Camera and Music. i know that enmothers rom gives you the option to install the 2 if you want and am just wondering if its possible to do the same for cyanogen.
also i have used the Sense Roms for the G2 but i was never really a fan of non Vanilla android.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614427
Enomther's TheOfficial has the option of both the HTC Camera and the HTC Music app - plus you can install the HTC IME (onscreen keyboard) easily as an APK (there's even a kitchen that lets you customize the colors and such).
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A couple of apps may have been REBUILT to work without sense, but its not an easy job and certainly isn't something a lot of people have done.
the HTC IME keyboard was pretty much an entire rewrite of the code based on what the htc one looked like, its not the apk from sense just moved over.
I can't comment on the camera or music, but I imagine these are the same.
Lennyuk said:
Sense apps have never and will never work on a non-sense based rom as it has far too much reliance on lots of frameworks (its a messy area).
The closest you will get is a rom like SuperVillain (out later today) that is a Sense based rom but with Rosie (Launcher) and widgets removed so looks like vanilla but still has all the sense apps working.
Keep an eye on villainrom.co.uk or the dev section here on xda for the rom release of SuperVillainZ
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There has been a sense app ported to stock. Enom ported the HTC camera to his stock ROM for the Nexus... I remember running it.. That was a great ROM
Sorry, I see this has already been covered... But I know the app wasn't rewritten, it was a straight port, with the stock framework rewritten, so it was a straight app port
JD
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I really like the browser from sense, I use lpp for widgets so I'm good there. I asked about getting some sort of plug in for google translate onto vanilla browser and got nothing but flame. Hopefully gingie brings this to us... I mean is there any other plug ins other then flash? Honest question
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Hi All,
I've been running Aero's CM9 for ages but would like to give Nit's UKB a shot. One thing I despise about Sense, however, is the messaging app; and I'd prefer to use the ICS AOSP messaging app, as well as dialer / contacts.
I understand that Nit's installer lets you choose which of the Sense apps you want or don't want (so I'd imagine I'd unselect the dialer / contacts / messaging / whatever else I don't want), however I'm wondering how to properly import the AOSP apps to replace them.
Looks like I could rip them from my own CM9 install and copy over via the method described in this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1735507 - however it seems that the AOSP messaging is hit or miss in terms of getting MMS working properly.
I'm curious - has anyone here successfully replaced any Sense 4 apps with their AOSP equivalents? If so, what steps did you take?
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Best regards,
-Dirk
hi
I have a 2 year old DHD and have been using stock ROM for all these days for office use. I do not play games on mobile or install many apps. So I am kind of used to the Sense layout and design which in itself is quite neat. But having used it for so long, i have rooted and started trying various ROMs available here. Is there a ROM that satisfies all these?
My daily requirements.
1. Neat dialer with perfect T9 option
2. Exchange mail with lot of search options
3. Fast and meaty key board
4. SMS to email option (like in Blackberry)
5. Speaker on and off while talking
6. Stock market widget
7. Weather
8. At least one day battery life
9. Auto screen rotation in camera, gallery etc
10. Full screen video
11. Shortcuts on home screen
12. Hotspot
13. Bluetooth
So these are some of my most used options on DHD. While some of the ROMs have full functionality, few options are missing. Since my battery is already old, I am not complaining about battery life.
Have used CM 7.2, JellyTime R29, CodefireX 4.2.1, Sabsa Prime 10, Venom DHD till now. Every rom has some quirks.
CM 7.2 stable- Best ROM of all. Except for the poor exchange mail. There is no option to search mails. When i click the search option, nothing happens. Is this a bug or this functionality is missing in CM 7.2? Can we flash JB Exchange mail APK over 7.2? What about CM 7.2 nightlies? What is the reason for CM continuing work on 2.3.7 when rest of the world is already moving on to bigger things?
If this exchange mail issue is solved, then I am going to use CM as my daily driver. Please suggest.
Seeing that you're used to sense, I'll recommend Blackout ICS, it is sense 3.6. Fast and stable, and I don't think there are any issues too
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Thanks. Will try Blackout shortly. But in ICS ROMs, stock widget is missing. Its there in Htc sense 3 but missing in sense 4.
Can I flash new jb mail apk over cm 7.2? Pls let me know.
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Vote for Venom
Venom DHD is working the best for me right now. I havent run accross anything not working and battery life is middle of the road.
I keep trying each of the jellys but they're just not all there. They work pretty well, but miss some important feature like, mute or BT. Once they get those nailed down, I'll seriously consider going that route.
You can't install HTC apps without having sense built in to the rom. Try the last two suggestions, you'll like one of them.
Btw, I used k9 email for my 3 work email accounts, it's better than stock plus it's easier to backup and restore.
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I'll second blackout ICS. I find that sense 4.1 is way too heavy for the DHD. Sense 3.6 is a lot lighter and faster, you'll have less app force closes and annoying freezes due to not having enough memory. I personally like Nikhil's ICS, which is sense 4a. It's fast, but sense 4a has a lot of the stock widgets removed for lightness (the HTC One V (the original phone the ROM is based on) has even less RAM than us)).
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I'll second blackout ICS. I find that sense 4.1 is way too heavy for the DHD. Sense 3.6 is a lot lighter and faster, you'll have less app force closes and annoying freezes due to not having enough memory. I personally like Nikhil's ICS, which is sense 4a. It's fast, but sense 4a has a lot of the stock widgets removed for lightness (the HTC One V (the original phone the ROM is based on) has even less RAM than us)).
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thanks for the suggestion. Though I have not tried Blackout, have tried ICS via Sabsa Prime. Didnt like it completely. Now I am currently using Codefirex 4.2.1 and found it adequate for my use. I fell in love with native exchange mail and gmail UI. I have tried Touchdown, K-9 mail etc but they have very poor UI. Just deleted them with in few hours of usage.
Why nobody is answering my question on possibility of flashing JB mail APK on CM 7.2. In my view CM 7.2 is the most well developed custom rom for Ace. Sad to see that CM is no longer working on CM10.
I tried Sabsa Prime, Blackout, Sabsa Bliss and the others. Sense 4 is not suits me, I don't know why. I used Blackout 1 or 2 months but it wasn't stable for me. Then I gave a chance to S.Bliss and I don't think to change anymore. Sabsa Bliss is stable and fast. I don't have any idea about flashing JB mail APK on CM 7.2
As the title says, I'm interested to know which os / skin you are using (/ will use when the ota is available) and why? Whether you're using the new stock ROM or the latest version of android. Please share your experiences too (performance, battery life and bugs).
Thanks!
I like Sense WAY more than stock AOSP...
It adds so much functionality to android, and i like the look of it much more..
With Sense 5, it is smooth as ever so no need to have any aosp rom just for seed's sake
Don't like AOSP, never have.
That said I actually prefer Sense 4+ over Sense 5, from a purely visual point of view.
AOSP all the way. I just love how good multitasking is in CM10.2. On sense (even 4.2.2) if I switch to another app via recent apps i still get 0,5-2sec lag. The screen just shows a screenshot of my device and then loads the app... Having more apps open means more lag. On AOSP if it runs out of ram it just suspends the app... next time you open the app it reloads.
I can have 4 apps open in aosp and move between them in what seems like nanoseconds
On Sense if i have 4 apps running and i try to switch between them it always reloads and there is atleast 1sec lag.
AOSP has always been smoother aswell (atleast for me). Sense 5 improved a lot but AOSP still seems smoother.
Edit: I do like the way recent apps are shown in Sense 5... AOSP recent apps is visually more appealing but Sense 5 recent apps just seems so much more comfortable to use.
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