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Galaxy Nexus on Verizon at $299.99 blocking Google wallet?

Galaxy Nexus is likely to come at $299.99 with contract on Verizon Networks in United States, says WSJ. Verizon is charging same contract pricing for other high-end smartphones like Motorola Droid RAZR, HTC Rezound and 32GB iPhone. Verizon thinks that users will pay the premium for its excellent network and LTE connectivity.
Another report by 9to5Google said that Galaxy Nexus will be headed on Verizon Wireless next week without Google Wallet feature. Although it has NFC chip, the app will not be available in Android Market for Verizon users. The reason to block Google Wallet is their recent creation of a new mobile payment project called ISIS. ISIS is a Wallet like feature created by Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile along with others to roll out in 2012...............
http://mirolta.com/2011/12/06/veriz...-299-99-with-contract-blocking-google-wallet/

Just created an account so that I could comment on how mad I am about no google wallet. In a time when the national sentiment has been bashing corporations for being profit-centered and not caring about their customers, Verizon decides to do something like this? They really need to fire their public relations department, because somebody f'ed up.
Back to lurking the forum.

Yeah, Sprint and Google jumped into bed behind closed doors and locked everyone else out. Brilliant.
Sad, really as NFC needs to take off, like, quick. Now. But it won't, sadly.
So, there will be millions of GNEXs and even SGSII's with dead NFC potential. Sounds great to me! (and while neat, Android beam doesn't count. this is about mobile payments which is crippled beyond belief do to...drum roll...money!).
Absolute boneheads making these deals (looking at you google)

ericshmerick said:
Yeah, Sprint and Google jumped into bed behind closed doors and locked everyone else out. Brilliant.
Sad, really as NFC needs to take off, like, quick. Now. But it won't, sadly.
So, there will be millions of GNEXs and even SGSII's with dead NFC potential. Sounds great to me! (and while neat, Android beam doesn't count. this is about mobile payments which is crippled beyond belief do to...drum roll...money!).
Absolute boneheads making these deals (looking at you google)
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What you're saying is inaccurate. Sprint and Google didn't block anyone. Tmobile, AT&T, and Verizon are all involved in Isis and apparently don't want Google Wallet competing with them. Reports are saying that all 3 of those companies intend to block Google Wallet. They want to push Isis and don't want the competition posing any type of threat to their investment. The nfc potential will not be dead, as these companies are planning to move forward with it, they just don't like competition. I do question the legality of such a move though, as it is clearly anti-competitive.

I've never seen any of these apps but I understand their value and why these companies are fighting over it.
Google bro isn't my priority here. What's important to me is the app works seamlessly, is safe, is most accepted when I'm out shopping, and doesn't add exorbitant fees. It's very early and consumers don't have much of a say in the matter.
One thing to watch out for is data tracking and selling info to 3rd parties. This would be ripe for this app.

So much for pure Google.
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foister82 said:
So much for pure Google.
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good ol' verizon. I have T-Mobile also(just I prefer the unlimited data I have on verizon)...
word on the street is that this friday's the day. although I have a Rezound atm and considering exchanging it for a GN... I do like the Rezound more(hardware-wise), just with my big hands id prefer to have a phone with the biggest screen possible. that and I got it from Best Buy Mobile so will have to wait until they get it in... hopefully I can get them to price match the $219 I paid for this one.

Really sad. All the more evidence this is Verizon's show, and not Google's.

I totally agree....
I am/was exteremely excited to finally get a plain vanilla android device on VZW, as i'm grandfathered in to the unlimited data and have no plans of changing providers.
When i was in Japan and on DoCoMo i had an essentially plain vanilla device, and it was great. The news that 1) VZW is putting their apps on the phone, and 2) NFC not being able to be utilized for google wallet (at least out of the box), is a HUGE disappointment.
NFC/Google Wallet was one of the biggest things i was excited about for this phone, and i'm VERY sad that i'll have to possibly root it just to run google wallet, or wait for VZW/Google to sort something out.

This seems like a clear violation of the Block C auction rules.... not a good move by verizon
It also seems like a violation of anti-trust laws

legality and disappointment aside, there's a pretty good chance we will be able to add Google wallet if we root right?

ejkeebler said:
legality and disappointment aside, there's a pretty good chance we will be able to add Google wallet if we root right?
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Yea. If NFC works then we can get it to read Google Wallet. Verizon probably just blocks it from the app market.
This news sucks but in reality, I don't even know anyone in the US that accepts Google Wallet... so I wasn't really leaning toward using it anyway.
Plus I'd rather have support for what works around me. If Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, all use a special kind, then that's what I want.
Obviously they are just trying to monitize on the tech by charging per use... or play big brother like with Carrier IQ crap. I can't trust them to handle my SMS anymore, let alone my transactions.
Well we'll see. I'd prefer Google take the lead on this but who knows if Google is any better at handling my expenses either...
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foister82 said:
So much for pure Google.
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The most shocking thing isn't that VZW commanded it, but that Google accepted it. The whole purpose of a "Google" phone was purity and historically they never bowed to carriers demands. Other than radio differences, the phones were the same regardless of carrier. Google has in effect sold themselves out to move devices in larger quantities. Sad.

This makes me so mad at Verizon. I've been waiting a long time for this phone and I was excited about NFC & Google Wallet. I will be rooting so I'm sure that I will have Google Wallet running in no time, but this sullies the "pure Google" Nexus brand
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This news sucks but in reality, I don't even know anyone in the US that accepts Google Wallet... so I wasn't really leaning toward using it anyway.
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That's true enough, the only place I can think of that currently accept Google Wallet are McDonald's, Macy's, and Peet's Coffee. But the reason this should make you angry is that by limiting access to Google Wallet, Verizon is putting a stranglehold on the growth of the service. This makes it more likely that their "Isis" service, that isn't even available yet, could win out as a mobile payment solution. There have got to be some anti-trust ramifications here. I for one will now refuse to ever use Isis out of principle.
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BarryH_GEG said:
The most shocking thing isn't that VZW commanded it, but that Google accepted it. The whole purpose of a "Google" phone was purity and historically they never bowed to carriers demands. Other than radio differences, the phones were the same regardless of carrier. Google has in effect sold themselves out to move devices in larger quantities. Sad.
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We dont know the details, but I'm willing to bet Google didn't just roll over on this one. Verizon isn't just another carrier, they are the largest carrier with the most clout. I have to disagree with your premise that this constitutes Google's "selling out" of the Nexus brand. Imagine the uphill battle that Google must have faced in getting Verizon to even consider allowing a Nexus device to exist on their network.

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There have got to be some anti-trust ramifications here.
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Good point. I bet your right.

player911 said:
Yea. If NFC works then we can get it to read Google Wallet. Verizon probably just blocks it from the app market.
This news sucks but in reality, I don't even know anyone in the US that accepts Google Wallet... so I wasn't really leaning toward using it anyway.
Plus I'd rather have support for what works around me. If Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, all use a special kind, then that's what I want.
Obviously they are just trying to monitize on the tech by charging per use... or play big brother like with Carrier IQ crap. I can't trust them to handle my SMS anymore, let alone my transactions.
Well we'll see. I'd prefer Google take the lead on this but who knows if Google is any better at handling my expenses either...
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It's not places that accept Google Wallet that you'd be looking for, it's places that accept Paypass (from Mastercard). Places that I frequent that accept paypass are Best Buy, Dairy Queen, Riteaid, CVS, McDonalds, and others. There's a Kroger near me that accepts it too. My doctor's office also has paypass, and many gas stations. It isn't available everywhere but it's in enough places that it is useful, as I use it frequently.

Just felt like I should explain my own experiences here. I have a GSM Galaxy Nexus on AT&T and cannot download Google Wallet, either. It seems like the entire device doesn't currently support Google Wallet. So it's not that Verizon is blocking it, it's that they're not adding support for it.

I am sorry but to me the galaxy nexus isn't a real nexus. At least the verizon edition isn't. I believed the nexus was something that stood apart from other phones in that it came to the customer exactly as google intended. Now verizon dictates what apps are available on it? on a nexus?! Instead of me labeling it more drastically as the "nexus line is dead", I'd rather say that the verizon nexus isn't a real nexus.

NicholasQ said:
I am sorry but to me the galaxy nexus isn't a real nexus. At least the verizon edition isn't. I believed the nexus was something that stood apart from other phones in that it came to the customer exactly as google intended. Now verizon dictates what apps are available on it? on a nexus?! Instead of me labeling it more drastically as the "nexus line is dead", I'd rather say that the verizon nexus isn't a real nexus.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/6/2...ont-launch-on-the-galaxy-nexus-but-commercial
Just sayin'

copkay said:
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/6/2...ont-launch-on-the-galaxy-nexus-but-commercial
Just sayin'
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Ah, I see. So it's not confirmed that they are blocking just that they haven't added support yet. Well I guess we will see. But i will say this.... How is google's flagship phone not going to have something like google wallet working out of the box? Something to think about.

Interesting article on Google Wallet for canucks

I read this article today, some highlights:
The carriers, and to a lesser extent the banks, are threatened by a rival mobile payment system from Google Inc , which plans to bring its Google Wallet to Canada.
Currently offered via Nexus S phones on Sprint Nextel Corp's U.S. network, Google Wallet cuts the carrier out of the equation and does not charge merchants or the credit providers either a fee or a cut on purchases. Instead Google uses the system to collect transaction data for targeting ads to the individual consumer, a red flag for the banks.
In the United States, three big carriers have struck deals with three banks for the Isis payments venture and launched pilots in two small markets. But the partners still must persuade millions of merchants to upgrade their payment readers to enable them to work with smartphones, something the Canadian banks and carriers don't need to worry about.
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So there is hope for us, I hope Google will succeed.
Not sure how well the banks will take the loss from not charging fees to the merchant, or probably the end user...

This article seems really old. It mentions only the nexus s
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Isis Launched 10/22/2012

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...ake-city-and-austin-heres-the-full-breakdown/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/22/isis-nfc-payments-go-live-in-austin-and-salt-lake-city/
I downloaded the At&T Isis App and after starting the App up, I receive the message "This phone does not meet requirements to run the Isis Wallet." Anyone else getting this?
I'm on full stock, non-rooted s3 so I'm a bit surprised by this. The app also says it won't work if you are rooted. This is terribly frustrating as I've been wanting to use Google Wallet forever now...

Are you in Austin or Salt Lake City?

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Are you in Austin or Salt Lake City?
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Yeah I'm in Austin.
Edit: So after doing a bit of investing, in order to make this App work on your device you need to go into At&T and receive a new SIM card that is "secure". Will go in later today and report back. Hopefully I won't encounter clueless employees and can actually get the SIM that works with this (hopefully free).
Official Press release:
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?p...goriesRssFeeds (AT&T All Categories RSS Feeds)

Please, don't.
Supporting Isis is supporting carrier collusion that is purposefully excluding Google Wallet and other competitors from compatible phones. I live in SLC and I absolutely will not support this crap. Also, it hardly supports any cards and is overall a huge waste of time and money.

ISIS can go FOAD.
The carriers blocked a viable Google Wallet on flimsy claims of "insecurity" and made millions of people go without it at all and are still waiting for them to finish their half-baked ISIS just so that they could dictate having a bigger percentage of the transaction pie.

Went to AT&T and switched out my SIM for a new one and now can use ISIS. Its free to do and they were prepared (I was the 3rd person to come in to do this). It comes with $10 preloaded onto the app and you can get an additional $15 if you make the card "reloadable". I walked down a few blocks to the Whole Foods and purchased lunch with it. Funny how the people that work there still don't know you can now pay by NFC with your cell. I also had a women behind me comment on it and asked if her Iphone5 can do that too
Anyways, look...I didn't create this thread to start a debate over ISIS. At the end of the day, ISIS supports my AMEX card which is the only one I use anyways. What exactly is Google Wallet doing that ISIS isn't for me right now? I've been wanting to use Gwallet forever, and I would be happy to switch over to it if carries allow it, but until then, I'll let Google fight that war.

Death&co said:
Anyways, look...I didn't create this thread to start a debate over ISIS. At the end of the day, ISIS supports my AMEX card which is the only one I use anyways. What exactly is Google Wallet doing that ISIS isn't for me right now? I've been wanting to use Gwallet forever, and I would be happy to switch over to it if carries allow it, but until then, I'll let Google fight that war.
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The problem is that this attitude is telling the carriers "It's okay, you can do whatever you want because I'll just go along with it. It's not my battle to fight." It IS your battle to fight, as their customer. Google isn't preventing you from using Wallet, your carrier is. And the only way you can tell them that is not okay is by not using the payment system they have basically illegally colluded to create. We can only hope the FCC gets involved sooner rather than later.
Anyway, there is no telling you that Google Wallet is doing anything for you right now, because you aren't being allowed to use it.
edit: I also just went to the FCC page and filed a complaint about Isis. If enough people do this we may get an investigation.

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I also had a women behind me comment on it and asked if her Iphone5 can do that too
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:good::highfive::laugh:

It doesn't like root and I think it uses the Samsung status field that says modified or normal to figure it out. We just need a way to make the phone report normal now.
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mobilehavoc said:
It doesn't like root and I think it uses the Samsung status field that says modified or normal to figure it out. We just need a way to make the phone report normal now.
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True it does not like root.
I unrooted but still have the Modified status and ISIS installed and setup. My cards still havent been added, but dont know if thats an ISIS thing or related to the fact that I _was_ rooted.
Figured Id give it a try, then back to Google Wallet.

Any word on if this gets billed as "ISIS $TRANSACTION_VENDOR" or directly as "$TRANSACTION_VENDOR"? Google Wallet bills as something like "GOOGLE WALLET $TRANSACTION_VENDOR" causing bonus rewards on cards to get thrown off. This means like transactions like gas or restaurants that normally should get 2-5% rewards only get 1% making wallet not financially worth the convenience.

Are the sim cards ONLY in SLC and Austin? Also, does Isis work on any paypass terminal like gwallet or only Isis enabled terminals?
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GJMarmots said:
True it does not like root.
I unrooted but still have the Modified status and ISIS installed and setup. My cards still havent been added, but dont know if thats an ISIS thing or related to the fact that I _was_ rooted.
Figured Id give it a try, then back to Google Wallet.
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What did you use to unroot?
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cmjkxa said:
Are the sim cards ONLY in SLC and Austin? Also, does Isis work on any paypass terminal like gwallet or only Isis enabled terminals?
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Yes, sim cards only in SLC and Austin, but it should work anywhere you see the wireless pay sign (three wireless waves). There are supposedly some Isis specific terminals that let you redeem rewards and payment at the same time but even here in SLC havent seen those.
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I just went into SuperSU and selected Unroot. It did its thing, and rebooted my S3 and tada Isis stopped complaining and let me setup a wallet. But still no cards added, will have to call about that.

GJMarmots said:
Yes, sim cards only in SLC and Austin, but it should work anywhere you see the wireless pay sign (three wireless waves). There are supposedly some Isis specific terminals that let you redeem rewards and payment at the same time but even here in SLC havent seen those.
I just went into SuperSU and selected Unroot. It did its thing, and rebooted my S3 and tada Isis stopped complaining and let me setup a wallet. But still no cards added, will have to call about that.
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So you still have busybox installed yet ISIS worked? What does your status say in Settings - about. Modified or Normal?
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mobilehavoc said:
So you still have busybox installed yet ISIS worked? What does your status say in Settings - about. Modified or Normal?
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Im still new to Android, so not sure what Busybox is. But unless SuperSU took it out, its safe to assume its still there.
It says Modified. Its my understanding that the only way to make it go back to Normal is to do a full reflash of the stock firmware. Something Im not interested in doing. I read TriangleAway would reset the Flash counter but not the Status.
Also I did not use TriangleAway, nor did i use a method of rooting that would not trip the Flash Counter.
So with that being said it may explain why Isis isnt working. However I have not revealed that fact to support, because I used to work in support and when people here something "off" they latch on to it. The problem I have is the Isis App not connecting to the Isis servers to download the cards.
ATT sent me to Isis directly who has sent it to their server team.
So it could be my past rooting causing issues or something dumb on their end.
I have Google Wallet installed on the device as well, so who knows it thats playing havoc too. I have never tested Google Wallet at a terminal yet so unsure if its actually working.
But as Superm1 noted, Im not keen to use GWallet or Isis for main payment just so I can lose out on rewards or buyer protection.

Went ahead and picked up one of the new sim cards just because I could. When and if it supports root and Jelly Bean is when I might start using it.. Until then it just seems useless

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Went to AT&T and switched out my SIM for a new one and now can use ISIS. Its free to do and they were prepared (I was the 3rd person to come in to do this). It comes with $10 preloaded onto the app and you can get an additional $15 if you make the card "reloadable". I walked down a few blocks to the Whole Foods and purchased lunch with it. Funny how the people that work there still don't know you can now pay by NFC with your cell. I also had a women behind me comment on it and asked if her Iphone5 can do that too
Anyways, look...I didn't create this thread to start a debate over ISIS. At the end of the day, ISIS supports my AMEX card which is the only one I use anyways. What exactly is Google Wallet doing that ISIS isn't for me right now? I've been wanting to use Gwallet forever, and I would be happy to switch over to it if carries allow it, but until then, I'll let Google fight that war.
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If Isis works I'm all for it. In the beginning Google wallet wasn't much to get excited about either. You could only use Citi or prepaid wallet cards. As far as security is concerned, the argument can go both ways. As far as Isis doesn't charge some hidden fee I couldn't care less. I look forward to getting it out when it comes to my area.

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Any word on if this gets billed as "ISIS $TRANSACTION_VENDOR" or directly as "$TRANSACTION_VENDOR"? Google Wallet bills as something like "GOOGLE WALLET $TRANSACTION_VENDOR" causing bonus rewards on cards to get thrown off. This means like transactions like gas or restaurants that normally should get 2-5% rewards only get 1% making wallet not financially worth the convenience.
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I have my AMEX card linked to Isis. Used it at Whole Foods and checked my Amex pending charges online. Has the normal Whole Foods vendor charge so I'm still getting points just fine. There is nothing in my statement that mentions Isis at all :good:

Death&co said:
I have my AMEX card linked to Isis. Used it at Whole Foods and checked my Amex pending charges online. Has the normal Whole Foods vendor charge so I'm still getting points just fine. There is nothing in my statement that mentions Isis at all :good:
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That's awesome, thanks for confirming. I can't wait to get myself an ISIS enabled SIM now

My FCC Letter RE Google wallet

I am rooted and run Muzzy's awesome ROM. That doesn't stop me from being pissed about Verizon acting like pricks. I filed a complaint to the FCC regarding the matter. This is the letter that Verizon sent back. It screams of horse****. I also sent a response to their complaint directly to the FCC. See that below as well. I haven't heard back from them on this. Everyone file a complaint. EFF Verizon.

Greg Tolan said:
I am rooted and run Muzzy's awesome ROM. That doesn't stop me from being pissed about Verizon acting like pricks. I filed a complaint to the FCC regarding the matter. This is the letter that Verizon sent back. It screams of horse****. I also sent a response to their complaint directly to the FCC. See that below as well. I haven't heard back from them on this. Everyone file a complaint. EFF Verizon.
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a little more color... This guy called me before sending the response in a letter. When pressed on the technical issues, he couldn't offer any answers. I pushed him on a number of these fronts and all he could say was that he isn't a technical expert and couldn't comment on the specifics...even after I told him the specifics.

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... all he could say was that he isn't a technical expert and couldn't comment on the specifics...even after I told him the specifics.
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Did you ask him why he's wasting your time if he's not a technical expert and tell him to put someone who knows what he/she is talking about on the phone?

Bhaha he's trying to pass that Google is blocking Wallet? Semantics, I mean Google is blocking Wallet, but only because Verizon is ordering it. These execs play with semantics, be careful how you word things...
In the meantime we'll root and unlock our phones and use Wallet anyway. I just don't understand why Verizon blocks stuff, from Motorola's My Moto (is that what it was called?) to HTC's Hub and MyHTCSense.com, to tethering natively, to this Wallet thing. Not to mention they have to rape each update so we're reminded who owns us (okay an exaggeration). Unlimited LTE data, that's the only think keeping a lot of us on board.
Here's to OP for being proactive, did any of you complain to the FCC? Neither did I. lol
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Add to this is the fact that Verizon is not blocking the ISIS app (which Verizon is invested in), which uses both the NFC and the secure element. Previous Verizon excuses is that they don't allow Google Wallet because it uses the secure element.

harveydent said:
Add to this is the fact that Verizon is not blocking the ISIS app (which Verizon is invested in), which uses both the NFC and the secure element. Previous Verizon excuses is that they don't allow Google Wallet because it uses the secure element.
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Their beef with it still pertains to the SE, but has more to to with the TSM for it than anything if one reads between the lines.
The intriguing thing about Wallet is that, in and of itself, it is a money-losing endeavour for them. Then again, Google's currency is data, and we've been profitable to them in that regard.
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Add to this is the fact that Verizon is not blocking the ISIS app (which Verizon is invested in), which uses both the NFC and the secure element. Previous Verizon excuses is that they don't allow Google Wallet because it uses the secure element.
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It actually does not seem like ISIS uses the secure element build into the phone. Instead it uses a similar secure element build into their sim-cards. But yes I agree that it does seem like a strategical anti competitive decision by Verizon.

Well written letter. Thanks for taking a stand against this crap. If more people would do something rather then sit around complaining (in all aspects of life), the world would be a better place. I've never had Verizon and the more I hear, I am glad about that. I protest with my wallet. It is the reason I'll never own an Apple product.

harveydent said:
Add to this is the fact that Verizon is not blocking the ISIS app (which Verizon is invested in), which uses both the NFC and the secure element. Previous Verizon excuses is that they don't allow Google Wallet because it uses the secure element.
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I actually filed another complaint with the FCC yesterday citing this very fact and uploading both of those letters and asking for an immediate response.

jimmyco2008 said:
Bhaha he's trying to pass that Google is blocking Wallet? Semantics, I mean Google is blocking Wallet, but only because Verizon is ordering it. These execs play with semantics, be careful how you word things...
In the meantime we'll root and unlock our phones and use Wallet anyway. I just don't understand why Verizon blocks stuff, from Motorola's My Moto (is that what it was called?) to HTC's Hub and MyHTCSense.com, to tethering natively, to this Wallet thing. Not to mention they have to rape each update so we're reminded who owns us (okay an exaggeration). Unlimited LTE data, that's the only think keeping a lot of us on board.
Here's to OP for being proactive, did any of you complain to the FCC? Neither did I. lol
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you should. it literally takes 5 minutes to file a complaint on their website.

secretasianman said:
Did you ask him why he's wasting your time if he's not a technical expert and tell him to put someone who knows what he/she is talking about on the phone?
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HA! I brow beat him a little bit. But ultimately I am just a name that came across his desk. I try not to kill the middle man. I doubt he has any say in what we can do. I would guess the call is merely used to placate the FCC.

Your points are valid but as someone else pointed out, the Verizon guy is technically correct, the best kind of correct!
Google Wallet is made and distributed by Google. It's their IP. They distribute it through the Play Store, which is also theirs to administer. Verizon has no control over anything in the Play Store that they didn't publish, and they didn't publish Google Wallet.
Verizon also does nothing to block transmission of data pertaining to Google Wallet on their network. Nor do they modify the version of android that they distribute to block Google Wallet from functioning. As far as Verizon's interaction with customers is concerned, their hands are clean.
What Google is doing, is listing the Google Wallet on the Play Store such that it is incompatible with "toro" devices. There are legitimate reasons to exclude a device from finding and installing an app on the play store, such as lacking hardware that the app requires.
However, as everyone who has sideloaded the Google Wallet apk and used the app has demonstrated, there are no technical barriers to Google Wallet working on the Verizon Galaxy Nexus. So the question becomes, why is Google acting against their own interest and not distributing their app to Verizon phones?
Anyone can play detective and determine that it's highly suspicious that Google is not building a userbase with Verizon customers while Verizon works on their competing ISIS technology. But the questions to put to a regulatory body should be if Google can justify not distributing this program to toro devices (or whatever other devices might be similarly blocked on the play store) in any way other than an anti-competitive agreement with Verizon.

Secure element sim card

Just want to share this. It's been tested out west. All phones will eventually be using one. App's like Isis and Google wallet will require it.
I called att and asked about one, just to get wallet working. They confirmed it's needed now.
Any way they are over nighting me one at no charge. Local stores will be getting then. Most stores won't know what it is yet.
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Some things from this information doesn't make sense. How could at&t confirmed something that the company doesn't support(google wallet)? Why would Google limit itself to require an additional secure element sim card? If this were in fact true would means most likely that all current non-sim based(cmda) android smartphones would say bye-bye to Google wallet. Im just guessing when I say maybe google now doesn't work on phones with root as does Isis.
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nunyabiziz said:
Some things from this information doesn't make sense. How could at&t confirmed something that the company doesn't support(google wallet)? Why would Google limit itself to require an additional secure element sim card? If this were in fact true would means most likely that all current non-sim based(cmda) android smartphones would say bye-bye to Google wallet. Im just guessing when I say maybe google now doesn't work on phones with root as does Isis.
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No idea, I just called for the heck of it and that's what they said, if it works, who cares if it makes sense or not, by the way, who carries the nexus?
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If your ordering one, here is the item number
41005
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no way jose, i can see this as a requirement for ISIS, but certainly not google wallet or other alternatives.
this is an att rep you were speaking to, after all.

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no way jose, i can see this as a requirement for ISIS, but certainly not google wallet or other alternatives.
this is an att rep you were speaking to, after all.
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I'll let you know tomorrow when I get it, I see why one 49 thanks
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It makes perfect sense...IMHO
Considering the fact that gwallet is recovering from a large number of security loopholes in their platform.
The "secure element" SIM card is a proven answer to secure card data on the device, and it can also be removed and placed into another device in minutes, and set up to work again if the user desires to trade for another compatible device, or if a warranty exchange is needed. But does require the user to provide the right passwords, and answers to security questions before any access to money can be performed.
My SE SIM works perfectly for ISIS here in Utah, and I'm sure it will roll out to other States very soon.
I for one am not happy about the SE SIM not working on a rooted device, but from a security standpoint, I'd rather have my accounts intact than worry about having the latest ROM out.
The balance between security and root will eventually be found, (albeit here on XDA) but for now, don't count on having a rooted phone, and expect to use ISIS or gwallet without the device being locked down. (happened to me last week, and ISIS knew about my root commands within minutes, causing me a whole day worth of unroot and hassle just to get my own money back.
ATT and Google have plenty to worry about when users entrust their personal finances into the care of corporations. And you can bet two things will take place. Restrictive and painful measures to control the security threats, and our paying for those measures.
This opinion is only mine....so please don't flame me for it, and enjoy your devices in any fashion you choose. I for one am greatful that my card # is safe behind that new SE wall, at least for today.
And dafoxs, MANY THANKS for all of your hard work on our behalf. It is much appreciated....g

Just put in for my order.
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I called in asking for that specific item number tied to the sim you ordered. They in turn called the salt lake city att store where they give out the Isis sim cards and the rep at the store advised the rep on the phone that that item number is incorrect and that the Isis sim has a different item number. They went ahead and verified with the rep on the phone and ordered the correct Isis sim with a different item number. Just FYI.
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cmjkxa said:
I called in asking for that specific item number tied to the sim you ordered. They in turn called the salt lake city att store where they give out the Isis sim cards and the rep at the store advised the rep on the phone that that item number is incorrect and that the Isis sim has a different item number. They went ahead and verified with the rep on the phone and ordered the correct Isis sim with a different item number. Just FYI.
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You might be right cause we might end up getting sims for on demand box. Thats what he asked if it was for uverse box. I told them the name and they put the order in for me. We will see.
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borijess said:
You might be right cause we might end up getting sims for on demand box. Thats what he asked if it was for uverse box. I told them the name and they put the order in for me. We will see.
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Did you get the email with the correct number?
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Here you go.
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Here you go.
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I got this number.
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Omg, morons on the phone.
The correct number is
41005
After a heated argument with att, they ordered the right one, won't ship till Monday overnight in my hands Tuesday.
That gem one is the ondemand one, what ever that is
Man am I pissed
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Reading the other wallet post here, it claims the card will lock if it sees you are rooted. Hmmm, what to do.
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You're welcome. Lol.
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You're welcome. Lol.
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You popped my happy bubble, are you sure?
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dafoxs said:
Omg, morons on the phone.
The correct number is
41005
After a heated argument with att, they ordered the right one, won't ship till Monday overnight in my hands Tuesday.
That gem one is the ondemand one, what ever that is
Man am I pissed
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Just called they switched my order. I will be receiving the 41005 sim card.
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You popped my happy bubble, are you sure?
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I'm 99% sure. We verified with one of the launch city's store.
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I'll let you know tomorrow when I get it, I see why one 49 thanks
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im not sure what your implying with the 49 thanks, i didnt mean to offend. but you cant honestly believe that NFC payments will now be tied entirely to SIM cards, what about the peeps on sprint and verizon? like i said, i can totally see ATT tying it up with ISIS, but certainly not accross all carriers or all models