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FCC says no to Lightsquared

This does not look good for sprint's partnership
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/210745-fcc-moves-to-kill-lightsquared

Yup, read this this morning...
I'm definitely a little sad about it...Falcone has a couple of options, as do the investors who have bought their debt.
Sprint should be fine, though it would have been nice to have that $9 billion. Having already extended their options with clearwire looks like a shrewd move in light of this.
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This definitely sucks but my question is: is the network vision tied into this or is it separate from LS? By that I mean was network vision going to use this spectrum/network to operate or is it not effected by this decision? No LTE would be a huge bite in the ass to Sprint and us consumers.

KCRic said:
This definitely sucks but my question is: is the network vision tied into this or is it separate from LS? By that I mean was network vision going to use this spectrum/network to operate or is it not effected by this decision? No LTE would be a huge bite in the ass to Sprint and us consumers.
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we are rolling out our own LTE network, light-squared was more of a way to expand our coverage, all my knowlagents say mid 2012

I need a little clarification I thought the LTE we were planning to roll out was lightsquared so how and who will be the maker/supplier of our LTE network, isnt LTE that is the source of the gps interference?

LightSquared was going to be hosted on Sprint's new Network Vision towers in exchange for cash and access to the new network for resale to Sprint subscribers. It would have effectively given Sprint 20 mhz (or so) of extra LTE capacity on the 1500 mhz band. However, Sprint has plans to roll out LTE on its own spectrum in the PCS (1900 mhz) and ESMR (800 mhz) bands. This decision by the FCC will not impact the coverage of Sprint's LTE, but it will reduce the total capacity of the network by about 50%. The effect will be most noticeable for users outside the range of PCS LTE, because now the more spectrum constrained 800 mhz band will have to take on all of these users.
There is hope however, because Sprint still has Clearwire. Clearwire holds a ton of spectrum in the 2500 mhz band. In many urban areas, they hold over 100 mhz of spectrum, or enough for ~1 gbps (!) to be shared between the users of each sector of each cell site when using LTE-Advanced. They're the current provider for WiMax, and they're planning on overlaying LTE on the most stressed parts of their existing network. Recently, when LightSquared was first running into trouble with the FCC, Sprint and Clearwire agreed to a system much like the current one with WiMax, where Sprint would be able to resell their 4G to its subscribers. However, since Clearwire is pretty short on cash, they won't be able to invest much into network expansion in their current state. Their future LTE coverage will be even further behind their disappointing WiMax coverage.
However, Sprint holds a majority stake in Clearwire, and if they decided to buy them out (see here), they could potentially use their spectrum on their Network Vision towers, and completely alleviate the possibility of slow data speeds due to spectrum scarcity. Now that LightSquared has failed to come through for Sprint, there is a good possibility for this (or an agreement that accomplishes something similar) to become Sprint's next course of action.

As a 12 year Sprint subscriber, I must say, as strange as it sounds, that I am happy about the FCC's ruling....
Unfortunately, finding my way home from 100 miles offshore in the gulf stream is a bit more important to me than Sprint's near term LTE network capacity.

postq said:
As a 12 year Sprint subscriber, I must say, as strange as it sounds, that I am happy about the FCC's ruling....
Unfortunately, finding my way home from 100 miles offshore in the gulf stream is a bit more important to me than Sprint's near term LTE network capacity.
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Then go complain to garmin about why their 900.00 chart plotter had to be built using a frequency that their not allowed to use ... They cheaped out on it for more profit.... Instead of building it right
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Epix4G said:
Then go complain to garmin about why their 900.00 chart plotter had to be built using a frequency that their not allowed to use ... They cheaped out on it for more profit.... Instead of building it right
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This is the side I heard before. So annoying.

Sprint is rolling out its own LTE network. They were going to be paid $9 billion to roll out Lightsquares for them.
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schwab002 said:
This is the side I heard before. So annoying.
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So you're fine using something that's that fallible? Remember that stealth drone that Iran captured? You know how they did it? They blocked it's GPS signal which put it into autopilot. Then they sent their own "GPS" signal - stronger than the one the military was using and told it to land inside their country at a known spot.
Hmm... seems GPS isn't all it's cracked up to be. How would you like to be on a flight and have that happen? Imagine a night flight where the pilot can only rely on instruments and GPS. Mainly GPS. Someone sends a signal telling the receiver that it's climbing when in truth it's not. Guess what the pilot will do? Or the signal could just tell the receiver that it's off course, then the pilot flies into the middle of the ocean, runs out of fuel, and crashes. I don't pretend to be a pilot or know what goes on in that cockpit but if they can't see anything they must rely on the GPS.
The government knows GPS is just a huge crisis waiting to happen but they are too worried about other 'more important' issues to deal with it. Remember when Americas infrastructure was the best in the world? Neither do I but my grandparents and parents do. So I say they should let LS build the LTE network. If GPS fails that badly then it was worthless to begin with and needs to be retooled.

In terms to that GPS on the drone. GPS is a lot more secure than you think...

Epix4G said:
Then go complain to garmin about why their 900.00 chart plotter had to be built using a frequency that their not allowed to use ... They cheaped out on it for more profit.... Instead of building it right
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Not really true in any meaningful way. The amount and size of filtering required to filter out the spill over from the 100W towers that were planned would have blocked the GPS for your Garmin, Phone, and pretty much any receiver smaller than a cinderblock and even then would have been a questionable thing.
Lightsquared was trying to repurpose bandwidth explicitly designated for low powered satellite communications and didn't succeed in constraining their signal enough.

lifyre said:
Not really true in any meaningful way. The amount and size of filtering required to filter out the spill over from the 100W towers that were planned would have blocked the GPS for your Garmin, Phone, and pretty much any receiver smaller than a cinderblock and even then would have been a questionable thing.
Lightsquared was trying to repurpose bandwidth explicitly designated for low powered satellite communications and didn't succeed in constraining their signal enough.
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That being said both sides are at fault....GPS should not be infringing on said frequency ...And too bad ls could not make it work for their purpose...
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GPS is not infringing on said frequency it would have been infringed upon by lightsquared.

gharlane00 said:
GPS is not infringing on said frequency it would have been infringed upon by lightsquared.
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No .... That is wrong .... GPS is listening on frequencies that are owned by LS .... But when first made they didn't care.. LS bought their spectrum and did nothing with it until now but GPS is infringing on their spectrum but the FCC told LS they could do their build out if they could make it work without interfering with GPS ...both are at fault ...you need to read up on it before making statements like that
FCC told ls they could repurpose the spectrum for terrestrial use if it didn't cause problems with GPS
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The bottom line is Sprint will not be recieving the 9 billion in funds over time from LS. Sprint will continue it's network Vision upgrades regardless. But as already mentioned, sprint will likely look at ClearWire from a different angle now. I hope Sprint can get their network up to par in a timely fashion because Verizon's LTE is very fast (43+mbps down/12+mbps up) and I'd rather pay more for service that actually works and pay $10 a gig if i go over.
And this is why I'm thinking of going back to Verizon and their tiered data plans:

tx_dbs_tx said:
The bottom line is Sprint will not be recieving the 9 billion in funds over time from LS. Sprint will continue it's network Vision upgrades regardless. But as already mentioned, sprint will likely look at ClearWire from a different angle now. I hope Sprint can get their network up to par in a timely fashion because Verizon's LTE is very fast (43+mbps down/12+mbps up) and I'd rather pay more for service that actually works and pay $10 a gig if i go over.
And this is why I'm thinking of going back to Verizon and their tiered data plans:
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You do know that Lightsquared was not apart of Network Vision? Sprint is on budget and still will meet its goal. Lightsquared neither speed up the process nor slowed it down.
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Yes I'm pretty sure Sprint has been planning ahead and not relying on Lightsquared for quite some time. The gps issue has been known from the get go. I was just speaking on actual ''business'' side of things with the potential income that sprint needs. So technically yes this LS deal getting shut down does impact Sprint's potential cash flow but its not going to affect current network vision upgrades.

Epix4G said:
No .... That is wrong .... GPS is listening on frequencies that are owned by LS .... But when first made they didn't care.. LS bought their spectrum and did nothing with it until now but GPS is infringing on their spectrum but the FCC told LS they could do their build out if they could make it work without interfering with GPS ...both are at fault ...you need to read up on it before making statements like that
FCC told ls they could repurpose the spectrum for terrestrial use if it didn't cause problems with GPS
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Again, not true in any meaningful sense.
Almost every (read: any that aren't scientifically calibrated and tuned every 3 to 6 months) receiver is sensitive to signals outside the target range. This goes for the antennas in your phone, your WiFi unit, your car, and your TV. When two closely spaced signals are similar in strength this is easily remedied and the filtering is relatively simple, and can often be done in software. When one of the signals is in the range of millions of times stronger than it's neighbor (100W ground stations for L^2, 10^(-16)W average surface signal strength for GPS) this is neither easy, cheap, or small and often is virtually impossible. Especially since signals do not have a hard edge... They're more like a flashlight than a laser.
You can observe this yourself using an old television if you're curious. Except those signal strengths would only be hundreds of times different in strength at worst.
The key to lightsquared losing was that they tried to re-purpose spectrum that has ALWAYS been designated for sat to ground communications. When they bought it they were told satellite only, they tried to change that and failed.

[INFO] Sprint LTE Updates _ Interesting article regarding the future of Sprint Vision

In no way related to Epic 4G Touch but I found it very interesting ... comment as you see fit.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...sprint-cdma1x-800-channels-and-sids-revealed/
EDIT: Additional info regarding Sprint's progress on Network Vision LTE upgrades: http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/
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EDIT# 2: Reading your comments, I realized many of you are not aware that LTE is NOT AVAILABLE for our phones !!! ... Now you want to ask me why did I bother to post this article since our phones are not supported ... Because since they started the Network Vision upgrades, the 3G speeds have vastly improved !!! I remember 3G download speeds between 200 to 400 Kbps and now I constantly get between 800 Mbps to 2.2 Mbps.

Thanks great article! Think i'm gonna grab some gas from Hammond, IN tomorrow & run a few speed test while there! Now for this Galaxy S III LTE! I didn't kno Samsung was doing the roll out, I thought it was "clear" or some other co. does this make gs3touch guaranteed LTE?

samsmalls said:
Thanks great article! Think i'm gonna grab some gas from Hammond, IN tomorrow & run a few speed test while there! Now for this Galaxy S III LTE! I didn't kno Samsung was doing the roll out, I thought it was "clear" or some other co. does this make gs3touch guaranteed LTE?
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Well, it's a different division of Samsung that does it. It also includes Ericson. So....don't extrapolate too much on that, other than Sprint and Samsung have a fantastic relationship.
The other thing is, our phone is designed to only utilize a certain protocol on the 800mhz band....now this article was a little over my head, but it falls in line with what we've been trained on in regards to NV: we're deploying all of our protocols across all of our spectrum, but this will require newer devices designed to do so
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Just read that Orange County California is in the second wave of updates! Woohoo!
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squshy 7 said:
Well, it's a different division of Samsung that does it. It also includes Ericson. So....don't extrapolate too much on that, other than Sprint and Samsung have a fantastic relationship.
The other thing is, our phone is designed to only utilize a certain protocol on the 800mhz band....now this article was a little over my head, but it falls in line with what we've been trained on in regards to NV: we're deploying all of our protocols across all of our spectrum, but this will require newer devices designed to do so
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As far as needing new devices to run on different radio bands, this is not necessarily the case... Now granted there will have to be some sort of radio update for the older devices, but, that can easily be pushed out ota, other wise how would you think aosp roms would work? So a radio update, and Walla, now the device can receive on set spectrum...
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bondosho said:
Just read that Orange County California is in the second wave of updates! Woohoo!
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bondosho said:
Just read that Orange County California is in the second wave of updates! Woohoo!
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Yeah man...I didn't think both L.A. and Orange County would be in so early but I guess I shouldn't be that surprised. I got the first Epic on launch day, turned on 4g and never turned it off.
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still no pittsburgh even though we were one of the first wimax cities... its not even on the list yet.

JohnCorleone said:
Yeah man...I didn't think both L.A. and Orange County would be in so early but I guess I shouldn't be that surprised. I got the first Epic on launch day, turned on 4g and never turned it off.
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Yeah? Come down and visit me in San Diego and we'll how that 4G works for ya.
I was happy to see San Diego on the 2nd round list though. Hopefully it goes better than the WiMax deployment. That was nothing but let downs for over 2 years.

Dchibro said:
Yeah? Come down and visit me in San Diego and we'll how that 4G works for ya.
I was happy to see San Diego on the 2nd round list though. Hopefully it goes better than the WiMax deployment. That was nothing but let downs for over 2 years.
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Yeah, I couldn't believe San Diego got left out of the WiMax expansion. There are some major high dollar areas down there too
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Come on over to the valley of Phoenix 5 th largest in the nation and no 4g for sprint but it was the test city for lte so maybe it's already lit up
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JohnCorleone said:
Yeah, I couldn't believe San Diego got left out of the WiMax expansion. There are some major high dollar areas down there too
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We have Wimax down here in SD, as long as you are on the SDSU campus, or on a boat in the bay.
I was pretty excited to see SD on the list too, then realized that I'll be in Vegas by then. Well, at least I'll have Wimax to hold me over out there.

Wow what a surprise Norfolk Va area is in 2nd round lte deployment
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...-sprint-network-visionlte-deployment-in-2012/
I guess Verizon lte blanketing my area last year gave them a kick start

blackroseMD1 said:
We have Wimax down here in SD, as long as you are on the SDSU campus, or on a boat in the bay.
I was pretty excited to see SD on the list too, then realized that I'll be in Vegas by then. Well, at least I'll have Wimax to hold me over out there.
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I'm in San Diego too and I actually noticed the 4G at SDSU while I was touring there, haha. There's also a small area near my neighborhood with 4G coverage, but it's pretty useless since I have wifi when I'm here. It might be because there's a sprint store really close by, but who knows. I hope it gets rolled out in SD soon though.
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fiddy619 said:
As far as needing new devices to run on different radio bands, this is not necessarily the case... Now granted there will have to be some sort of radio update for the older devices, but, that can easily be pushed out ota, other wise how would you think aosp roms would work? So a radio update, and Walla, now the device can receive on set spectrum...
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It's not that simple, of course our phone picks up 800, 1.9, and 2.5, but the hardware has to be present to be able to decode the different protocols on those bands. Hence, our phone is not LTE capable because it doesn't have an LTE radio, yet LTE will be on the 1.9 and our device uses the 1.9 pretty heavily.
And, I literally just went over the training that talks about Sprint deploying multiple protocols on the same bands yesterday...it was stated pretty explicitly that future devices will be the ones to take advantage of that tech. Its OK, that's pretty far down the road.
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squshy 7 said:
It's not that simple, of course our phone picks up 800, 1.9, and 2.5, but the hardware has to be present to be able to decode the different protocols on those bands. Hence, our phone is not LTE capable because it doesn't have an LTE radio, yet LTE will be on the 1.9 and our device uses the 1.9 pretty heavily.
And, I literally just went over the training that talks about Sprint deploying multiple protocols on the same bands yesterday...it was stated pretty explicitly that future devices will be the ones to take advantage of that tech. Its OK, that's pretty far down the road.
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From what I've been reading, our phones are the last ones that Sprint will ever make compatible to WiMax ... from now on, all the new phones that Sprint will introduce (with 4G suport) will use the LTE radio.

What a surprise (not), I'm one of the first LTE markets.
Grand total of 4G in our area? 3 LTE signals, 2 HSPA+ signals, and the Wimax signal.

drksilenc said:
still no pittsburgh even though we were one of the first wimax cities... its not even on the list yet.
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Sprint is following its own independent 4G LTE deployment.
Clearwire's 4G LTE deployment (starting June 2013) will first be overlaid its existing Wimax sites.

Jayavarman said:
Sprint is following its own independent 4G LTE deployment.
Clearwire's 4G LTE deployment (starting June 2013) will first be overlaid its existing Wimax sites.
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Will sprint and clearwire still be working together so that their coverage areas will work for sprint users?
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Thanks for sharing! Now that I see Sprint can't prioritize because of lack of funding or just poor management (Palmdale and Lancaster before Orange County, don't make me laugh Sprint) I'll be heading over to Verizon to use their LTE network that is working NOW.
I'm rich so I'll the pay the extra, it's worth it to not have to settle for 3rd best anymore. It's really getting old.
After 5 years with Sprint they still can't into 2nd gear.

4G coming to the UK, will my HTC One X get those speeds?

For those of you who live in the UK, you may of heard recently that 4G is finally coming to the UK on the Orange and TMobile UK networks very soon. My question is will my HTC One X be able to receive the 4G signal?

EDIT: Apparently not as the hardware isn't in the phone to connect to 4G

If i'm totally honest, i'm not to bothered. HSPA is MORE than enough for me.

Nope.
That's why the One XL was released in USA for the 4G network there.

Actually, looks like the Asia/Aus version of One XL might work, it supports 1800MHz LTE.

Ah okay nevermind then..thanks guys.

As always well be limited and throttled most likely and they will take advantage and hike the prices up for those wanting to make use of 4G technology. Heck the current technology is quite poor in some areas. Central London and some parts of London are heavily congested and barely get any data signal!
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if thats the case whats the point cause when i went into contract for 2 bloody years with t-mobile they said when the 4g is rolled out and active my HOX would benefit,lying scumbags

T-Mobile told me the same thing as well, when i corrected them Quad Band is different to 4G and this is not a 4G phone, the sales guy didnt have a response...
may be you can cancel your contract on grounds of Mis Selling

sr1ks said:
T-Mobile told me the same thing as well, when i corrected them Quad Band is different to 4G and this is not a 4G phone, the sales guy didnt have a response...
may be you can cancel your contract on grounds of Mis Selling
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yeah thats exactly what i was thinking,i wonder if my case is strong enough? i certainly could try or at least haggle for compensation
could set a precedent and others may follow my lead

Tmobile take the pee when it comes to giving correct information, all this hype about 4G coming and i bet the majority of phones they sell dont even support it. Not only do they take the right mick when it comes to releasing OTA updates (one of the main reasons why i joined this forum!) now it looks like they're giving wrong information to customers about 4G. For me personally its not a big deal that i wont get 4G because the current signal and speeds I get now are reasonable enough even though since the start of the olympics i've noticed a bit of a decline in performance dont know if you guys have experienced this either but its the fact that they've made a big hoo haa about this and havent given clear information about who's gonna benefit from this and who wont.

It's quite hard to say, as the 4G network here will be completely different. Despite my post earlier saying, no, I've been doing some research and the 4G network in the UK will be using the already existing 1800MHz frequency. The specs for the One X say it can use this frequency.

What speed is 4G supposed to be? I regularly test and see like 4-5mb don't need anymore tbh
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It's quite hard to say, as the 4G network here will be completely different. Despite my post earlier saying, no, I've been doing some research and the 4G network in the UK will be using the already existing 1800MHz frequency. The specs for the One X say it can use this frequency.
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Yeah, but it hasn't got a clue what LTE is, so it won't work.

the decline of verizon service

since I've had my gnex these are my favorite highlights of verizon service
1. LTE started at 25 megs it's now at 10
2. My unlimited contract is technically still valid but for some reason I can barely ever break 4gb since they stopped offering it
3. Following my internet service Verizon now pre compresses data like pictures sent to my phone = crappy resolutions
4. 2 years after the launch of LTE the service area has steadily declined
5. Google voice magically stopped working on the first day of last months billing period = 140 extra dollar bill they wont discount
6. They dont improve the signal they rewrite the software to display more bars
7. When you go to the speed test app magically your phone is faster, something Samsung was recently caught doing
8. This month our 17% employee discount mysteriously needs to be renewed - they forgot to notify us - last time we went for 11 months without it. And we can't do it online.
9. My phone has problems charging but they claim the internet is lies about it being a charging port issue even though I can wiggle it fixed in front of them.
10. bloatware
11. Mysterious connection delays that they say is "solved" by purchasing a new phone
I know I have some more, the point being that before you go out and get a Verizon phone because it's supposed to the best service, look around and make sure it still is.

In my area Wyoming. Verizon really screwed up and sold alltel to at&t. Verizon used to piggy back on alltel towers and alltel was the main cell provider. At&t is now turning off the old alltel service on the towers and making them gsm only. Seems like my service gets worse monthly now and some areas like where I work have quit completely but att that was non existent before is full bars on my work phone. If it wasn't for their better costumer service and having unlimited data I would be done. They day they say no more unlimited data I say goodbye. Probably go back to dumb phone as I can't afford a 12gb data plan.
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circuitsports said:
since I've had my gnex these are my favorite highlights of verizon service
1. LTE started at 25 megs it's now at 10
2. My unlimited contract is technically still valid but for some reason I can barely ever break 4gb since they stopped offering it
3. Following my internet service Verizon now pre compresses data like pictures sent to my phone = crappy resolutions
4. 2 years after the launch of LTE the service area has steadily declined
5. Google voice magically stopped working on the first day of last months billing period = 140 extra dollar bill they wont discount
6. They dont improve the signal they rewrite the software to display more bars
7. When you go to the speed test app magically your phone is faster, something Samsung was recently caught doing
8. This month our 17% employee discount mysteriously needs to be renewed - they forgot to notify us - last time we went for 11 months without it. And we can't do it online.
9. My phone has problems charging but they claim the internet is lies about it being a charging port issue even though I can wiggle it fixed in front of them.
10. bloatware
11. Mysterious connection delays that they say is "solved" by purchasing a new phone
I know I have some more, the point being that before you go out and get a Verizon phone because it's supposed to the best service, look around and make sure it still is.
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Not that I'm terribly happy with Verizon, but I'm not sure what you mean by some of these?
1. Probably congestion with all the 4g phones.
2. How can you not get more than 4gb? Does your service stop?
3. How would this do this without extra local software?
4. 4g service is pretty extensive in my area, but it's no bigger than their 3g was and att now has much better coverage.
5. How would you suddenly be charged if Google voice stops working?
9. Likely crud in your micro use port. Sharpen a toothpick to get it out. I've had this from time to time.
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That's really odd. I will say that i've noticed a tad bit of slowdown in general on their LTE network but i would attribute that to the great increase of traffic compared to what it was when the Nexus originally came out.
I just broke 8 gigs of data usage this month, not sure why you are having problems. Do you have insurance on your phone?

I disagree with everything you're saying, OP.
The next town over, to this day, I get around 40 Mbps down consistently, and last month I used 17 GB.
Speeds and coverage depend on the phone of course, like the Droid RAZR M RIGHT NEXT TO MY GALAXY NEXUS was getting around 2x the download speeds.
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Is it really not that obvious? New phone have better radios hardware and software wise. When you upgrade your service and speeds will be better
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I just wanted to update my previous post about the service Wyoming. They actually are putting up towers and 4g in the middle of nowhere that was previously lost when they sold to att. So my service is actually getting better now. I have service now where I need it.
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I don't know how to address all of your points, because I'm pretty sure some of them aren't problems with Verizon's network, but I can say that network speed was absolutely destined to decrease after the boom of LTE phones.
It's happened with every network after they hit a critical mass of LTE devices.
Network congestion is a serious problem that isn't easily solved. Throwing more towers at it can help mitigate the issue, but much of the problem boils down to limited spectrum- the same reason why populated wifi connections are unusable. It doesn't have to do with the routers being bottlenecked, it's simply the spectrum being overcrowded.

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Is it really not that obvious? New phone have better radios hardware and software wise. When you upgrade your service and speeds will be better
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No its not because I have a galaxy s4 on Verizon my girl has AT&T with a iPhone 5 and AT&T 3g/hspa is faster than Verizon's 4g/LTE/3g
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Same thing happened to me. My 4G is now almost non-existent at my house. Used to get 20mbs down. I still broke 80gbs last month (sick and staying at home) but speeds are a fraction of what it used to be.
I opened a T-Mobile line to test out their service in my area (LA/OC) and its pretty awesome. Dead spot here and there but nothing I didn't experience on Verizon either. Also wanted to test how true their unlimited data is. Its been 3 days and pushing 8 gigs. I bypassed the tether block as well. Looking good so far but still got 20 more days to go.
Also picked up an S4 with T-Mobile. Really blows my Gnex to shame. Tethering and charging doesnt turn my phone into a brick of fire. Its been a few hours and the phone is still very cool. Battery even lasts 2-3x longer than the Gnex even while tethering vs Gnex being idle. Its crazy.

antawnm26 said:
No its not because I have a galaxy s4 on Verizon my girl has AT&T with a iPhone 5 and AT&T 3g/hspa is faster than Verizon's 4g/LTE/3g
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Agreed, this is a common occurrence. LTE has a theoretical max of what, 100mbps? So eventually it *should* surpass HSPA+/HSDPA.
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antawnm26 said:
No its not because I have a galaxy s4 on Verizon my girl has AT&T with a iPhone 5 and AT&T 3g/hspa is faster than Verizon's 4g/LTE/3g
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In context of the O.P's comment he is right. Within Verizons network if you update to a new device it will have better optimized software and radios compared to an older device that Verizon refuses to allow an update for.

my only issue with Verizon is their charging out the ass part
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Sprints new "Spark" LTE 1GBPS LTE Service

I have been contemplating leaving Sprint for their terrible data speeds and lost promises of a reliable and fast data network and now read about yet another attempt at an even faster LTE network rolling out capable of 1GB/ps speeds.
I never got a reliable Wimax connection, still dont have a reliable LTE connection.
Do I really want to hold out hope and wait again for a real working network or just jump ship now [END RANT]
http://newsroom.sprint.com/presskits/sprint-spark.htm
October 30, 2013
Sprint Spark
Sprint Spark is a super-high-speed capability offering 50-60 Megabits per second (Mbps) peak speeds today with increasing speed potential over time.
Sprint Spark is a super-high-speed capability offering 50-60 Megabits per second (Mbps) peak speedstoday with increasing speed potential over time. Given Sprint’s spectrum and technology assets, it is technically feasible to deliver more than 2 Gigabits per second (Gbps) per sector of over-the-air speed.
Sprint demonstrated 1 Gigabit per second over-the-air speed on Oct. 30 at a Sprint lab near Silicon Valley, Calif.

I got real excited about this also since I'm in Tampa, but I have read in a couple places that you will have to have one 01 the new tri band phones . Iam thinking of leaving Spnnr de to the spotty service and am not sure if I want to renew for another two years to test this out
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But we dont have tri band on the note2 or note3
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Chaz187 said:
But we dont have tri band on the note2 or note3
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Yeah its pretty much useless if you dont have a triband phone.
And the only ones that are going to be triband so far are the Galaxy S4 mini, Galaxy Mega, LG G2, and the HTC one max....and I think some hot spot devices.

This is good news but im still jumping ship I'll wait till next year or so when they do have their network data on point and better tri band phones as to im not a fan of tge G2 or S4 mini or the mega or htc one max lol. T mobile is great in my area and they are at 20x20 mhz now so im just going to jump ship and get a note 3 on tmobile.
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I'll test this out once my Nexus five arrives since I am in Tampa.

DarkManX4lf said:
Yeah its pretty much useless if you dont have a triband phone.
And the only ones that are going to be triband so far are the Galaxy S4 mini, Galaxy Mega, LG G2, and the HTC one max....and I think some hot spot devices.
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And nexus 5!
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Guys this announcement is more about raising stock value than about better network speeds...

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I'll test this out once my Nexus five arrives since I am in Tampa.
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I think Sprint indicated in a press release it would be enabled after launch, but maybe that only applies to another phone.
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jreuschl said:
I think Sprint indicated in a press release it would be enabled after launch, but maybe that only applies to another phone.
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It applies to all phones I think it was lg phones will be enabled in November or December and Samsung on january 2014 so wont probably be able to test it until that update is pushed.
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Sorry to burst your bubbles but it wont reach 1gps on devices..... if anyone thought that it may beat Verizons AWS LTE, in select markets. Go to S4GRU.com to learn more information, and upcoming devices, and network info.

No one really needs 1gps bandwidth on their mobile device unless you dont have internet at home even 1gps is still too much for that purpose. With that beign said anything over 100mbps for a mobile device is too much.
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shabgard said:
No one really needs 1gps bandwidth on their mobile device unless you dont have internet at home even 1gps is still too much for that purpose. With that beign said anything over 100mbps for a mobile device is too much.
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famous last words. I remember people saying that one needed 100MB hard drives either back in the 80's. Look at today.
And there is a push going for services provided by the cloud. I can see uses for more bandwidth, and even thought much. The biggest issue I see is more the limitations of the devices because of the hardware or software. Then again, I see smartphones just portable computers with phone service.
And even, and if, the service does hit, doesn't mean that the we're getting reliable and steady 1G throughput. I see it more as overall, we're going to be more bandwidth. And since it's suppose to be triband and switch quickly, hopefully that helps in the reliability, maybe even maintain, higher bandwidth.

I'm ditching Sprint as soon as my contract is up, fed up of no LTE in my area when everything else has LTE. Without wifi my phone is useless with slow sprint data speeds.

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I'm ditching Sprint as soon as my contract is up, fed up of no LTE in my area when everything else has LTE. Without wifi my phone is useless with slow sprint data speeds.
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Greatest decision you could make, I know it's not the same for everyone and some people have great speeds with them but I friggin despise sprint so badly with their less than dial up like speeds, over here in Bakersfield, CA it's T- Mobile or Verizon or GTFO!
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Well... While I think 1Gbps is unrealistic down or up at the moment for an individual phone.... I do expect the backhauls for Tri-band LTE towers are being upgraded to 1Gbps. Japan has proven that there's a market for it with speeds as high as 150Mbps down (per phone!) so I certainly believe we're slowly heading that way. In addition, by moving up to that high of a backhaul now it should potentially avoid serious upgrades like they are doing now for a few years at least.

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Well... While I think 1Gbps is unrealistic down or up at the moment for an individual phone.... I do expect the backhauls for Tri-band LTE towers are being upgraded to 1Gbps. Japan has proven that there's a market for it with speeds as high as 150Mbps down (per phone!) so I certainly believe we're slowly heading that way. In addition, by moving up to that high of a backhaul now it should potentially avoid serious upgrades like they are doing now for a few years at least.
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To be fair...on has to remember why "4G LTE" is called "LTE". Because the actual 4G standard requires 1Gbps in low mobility applications (stationary, walking speeds) and 100Mbps for high mobility. The "LTE" moniker was created to bridge the gap until actual 4G tech like this came around.

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To be fair...on has to remember why "4G LTE" is called "LTE". Because the actual 4G standard requires 1Gbps in low mobility applications (stationary, walking speeds) and 100Mbps for high mobility. The "LTE" moniker was created to bridge the gap until actual 4G tech like this came around.
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Sadly I think we're still a way from there - even "LTE-A" will probably not reach that goal. Part of it is a lack of global 1Gbps global tunnels except in academia.... so even if you get 1Gbps local it may not do much if the file is hosted on a T1 equivalent line.

Considering what Comcast charges for their 100mbps service, I don't think that this will be something that will be covered under the $100 everything plan...

So this mean our Note 3 wouldn't have that capability?