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Jello effect w/ video recording. Why hasn't this got more attention?

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youtube[dot]com/watch?v=gymA26jqtTQ
It's really the only thing that's stopping me from buying the Galaxy Nexus. In my opinion the Galaxy Nexus can't take video if that's what it's producing. Anyone here a photography master of sorts that can shed some light on this issue?
Through my research I've found that the jello effect caused by a rolling shutter can be fixed in post production, but is something like this fixable via software/firmware on the phone?

What's going on? It's a bit shocking that nobody is concerned about this issue.

are you serious? "what's going on?"
it's quite obviously image stabilisation.

The sensor basically just relays data, OMAP camera hardware interface process it (stabilisation etc...) and Android presents, maybe tweaks it a bit and saves it.
So an eventual "fix" would be in OMAP firmware, not Android right?
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saster2 said:
The sensor basically just relays data, OMAP camera hardware interface process it (stabilisation etc...) and Android presents, maybe tweaks it a bit and saves it.
So an eventual "fix" would be in OMAP, not Android right?
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I don't know, but there is an option in Google Talk to change image stabilisation effect.

I have the same thing,but I think that it is image stabilization.

I've just replicated this issue and must say.. I'm totally not bothered! The image stabilisation is actually pretty good and the ony time i can make it do this is if I jiggle the camera... unless youre planning on trying to mock up an earthquake effect, I dont see this being an action you would do. In fact, due to the good image stabilisation, its pretty hard to do this jiggle accidentally, you must be quite determined to create this "jelly" effect (I'm in the UK, hence I get a jelly effect, not jello )

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091124183445AA8XEj5
If you don't want to read, its because it uses a CMOS sensor. Affects cell phones and DSLRs alike. Hardware related.

oscillik said:
are you serious? "what's going on?"
it's quite obviously image stabilisation.
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May I ask what makes you so sure?
The video effect shown in the original post and in others if you look, mirrors exactly that of the "jello effect" caused by a rolling shutter, i.e. the sensor, more importantly, CMOS sensors. From what I've found: all cameras, even professional DSLR's have this "jello effect" caused by rolling shutters on CMOS sensors. The only, and most common fix I've found is to edit the video in post production.
It's not quite obviously image stabilization considering how this issue is reproduced in the exact same scenario a rolling shutter w/ CMOS sensor would to create the jello effect. Otherwise the issue would occur all the time and not only when panning quickly. The video below should explain.
youtube[dot]com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ITkLwVgxo98#t=61s
This may not be the best example, but it should show you what I am talking about. Others like this can be found by doing a simple Google or YouTube search.
The problem is oscillik is both a) incorrect, and b) an asshole. A dangerous combination to be sure!

couchapple said:
The problem is oscillik is both a) incorrect, and b) an asshole. A dangerous combination to be sure!
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LOL, funny stuff.

I know what rolling shutter effect on CMOS based cameras is. This looks more excessive than rolling shutter, and looks more like image stabilisation.

People really need to stop thinking that SmartPhones are the end all be all. Unless a phone is specifically dedicated for a camera as it's main feature, then of course people should be concerned.

People here really plan on shooting lots of hd video with their phone? If quality really matters a dedicated camera would be better served...from what I can see this is pretty trivial. Then again, the only thing I take video of is dyno runs and fun in bed...

Again not hardware involved!!!
I`m N00B in this forum but i was being for a 4 months downloading roms, from here, so hi everybody....
for this treati have a reply: ITS NOT THE CAMERA ROLLING SHUTTER, ACTUALLY IS THE CAMERA APP!!!!
from the same channel, the same guy, the same galaxy nexus, but different app:
www(dot)youtube(DOT)com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SFSLnjqIssY
A WAY BETTER...
i saw the noob video, here in xda you have a great group of trollz,

Roxxer_x46 said:
I`m N00B in this forum but i was being for a 4 months downloading roms, from here, so hi everybody....
for this treati have a reply: ITS NOT THE CAMERA ROLLING SHUTTER, ACTUALLY IS THE CAMERA APP!!!!
from the same channel, the same guy, the same galaxy nexus, but different app:
www(dot)youtube(DOT)com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SFSLnjqIssY
A WAY BETTER...
i saw the noob video, here in xda you have a great group of trollz,
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Awesome! Glad to see this fixed, and nice find by the way. An update to the default camera app will come I'm sure. Until then this essentially fixed the problem, whatever it was, if image stabilization, I stand corrected.

it is image stabilisation, as has been proven by the fact that using another application gets rid of it.

Roxxer_x46 said:
I`m N00B in this forum but i was being for a 4 months downloading roms, from here, so hi everybody....
for this treati have a reply: ITS NOT THE CAMERA ROLLING SHUTTER, ACTUALLY IS THE CAMERA APP!!!!
from the same channel, the same guy, the same galaxy nexus, but different app:
www(dot)youtube(DOT)com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SFSLnjqIssY
A WAY BETTER...
i saw the noob video, here in xda you have a great group of trollz,
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Would be nice if this comparison could be done using the software mentioned above...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyRxJ5zKSO8&sns=em
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Here's a 1080p video I took at a Football stadium. Big game, I luckily shot the only goal at Arsenal Vs Man City on Tuesday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxsdD7iPpnM&feature=g-all

I tried using the LGCamera app mentioned in the YouTube post but it crashes on launch. Has anyone else had any luck?
GSM version running 4.01.

I use 720p because of the 30fps. 1080p is 24fps on the Gnex.
No thanks to 24fps.
That explains why image stabilization is having a hard time at stabilizing the image at that resolution at the frame rate.
I think image stabilization works best at higher frame rates.
My two cents.
Having said that, I do feel rolling shutter is a underrated issue with smart phones and point and shot. I would much rather have 720p without rolling shutter than 1080p with in.
I think post processing like deshaker is some cool stuff too. There are some really cool videos on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaPNf2Rk4qQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2v73SOqMk
If they could do deshaking in realtime and eliminate rolling shutting... That would be cool. Some day.

FB17 - Zero shutter lag camera

Ok guys - i'm somewhat of a noob.
Obviously the camera in fb17 hasn't changed at all. What are the chances (even if samsung does not update to the galaxy nexus camera app) that it can be ported over to the E4GT with zero shutter lag capability. I mean, afterall the camera specs of the E4GT seem to exceed the galaxy nexus...so why not?
Any educated guesses here?
Thank you in advance.
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great question, frankly.
i wonder if this is something that will change with a final build, as it didn't seem to me that the press release was saying this was a "nexus" feature, but an ICS one....
that being said, and pardon my lack of correct terminology for phone motherboard HW, but it may be something similar to a "chipset" issue, or a CPU/GPU to camera HW communications issue, if this is indeed a HW issue and not simple a missing driver or software update not implemented yet. I wouldn't think it has anything to do with the camera HW itself. A 0-lag camera would have to be about either a really well written driver, or a specilized feature of a chip that can communicate the information to the CPU.

You can push it via adb i think ssconceptz did it.
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You made some good points...i hope it doesn't end up being a hardware issue...

oh wow...let's hope for the best i guess

Wow, great question, I hadn't even thought of this. I must admit I tried the camera on a Nexus and was kinda jealous. Let's hope for the best!

Its hardware. The Sensor on the Nexus is new and designed specifically to process a picture in a fraction of the time a standard sensor does. In doing this it was not possible to have the sensor as high res (8mp) as the Epic 4G Touch. The Epic Touch actually has a very low shutter response time, and high process time for an 8 MP phone sensor.

Oh maaan that's messed up. I specifically got the E4GT thinking it was a new software feature that got introduced in ICS and since the hardware specs were similar to the galaxy nexus, I didn't think it was going to be a problem...oh well..

Afteraffekt said:
Its hardware. The Sensor on the Nexus is new and designed specifically to process a picture in a fraction of the time a standard sensor does. In doing this it was not possible to have the sensor as high res (8mp) as the Epic 4G Touch. The Epic Touch actually has a very low shutter response time, and high process time for an 8 MP phone sensor.
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I thought the GN had the same sensor as the SGS series...

Korey_Nicholson said:
I thought the GN had the same sensor as the SGS series...
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5 megapixel, not that that matters. But I also don't think it's backside illuminated like the SGS2 and iPhone 4S. Could definitely be wrong about that one.

Does SGSII leaks have instant capture?

Just use "Camera ICS" on the Android Market...
It is the Stock Camera from the Galaxy Nexus as you wanted, but should be compatible.... you must be running ICS I hear....
https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5tb2JseW54LmNhbWVyYWljcyJd

Interesting...thanks for the tip.
I tested it just new but night zero shutter lag.
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just download Fast Burst Camera from the market. it takes 100 somewhat photos in 10-15 seconds... it works for me. im running stock rooted FB17

The problem is that the pics are low res...
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rogueleadr said:
Interesting...thanks for the tip.
I tested it just new but night zero shutter lag.
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Someone said that it's zero shutter lag... sorry
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Please keep in mind that you are capturing a huge image!!! You are capturing an 8 MEGA pixeel image, you'll nearly never get a COMPLETE ZERO lag...

Another question:
Will 1080p video recording ever work normaly?
I do.t know ebout everybody else because I havent seen no threads on this but my 1080p has "ghosting" and lags on two different Epics and all roms.720p is beautiful but 1080 is useless.I don'teven know why they included that option.

AOSP Camera works fine in FB17 but yes it's hardware related not software. You can try out the ICS theme we just posted for FB17, it has the Camera from AOSP in there.
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lviv73 said:
Another question:
Will 1080p video recording ever work normaly?
I do.t know ebout everybody else because I havent seen no threads on this but my 1080p has "ghosting" and lags on two different Epics and all roms.720p is beautiful but 1080 is useless.I don'teven know why they included that option.
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I think your lag is sd related if your recording to external storage that is slow. I have recorded several soccer games that are at a fast pace and looks perfect in 1080p.

True but the iphone is capable to capture an 8mp picture with zero shutter lag...so....
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Awesome i will have to check it out !
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Macro Photography in HOX?

OK, I don't know if my hox is faulty or this is a bug in all of them,
so I ask,
How close can you focus the camera on your hox ?
On my device I can't focus less then 0.5-0.7 meters
and that seems odd couse my old nokia could take
great pictures from even 10cm ...

Well I can easily takes pictures of spiders and stuff like that, pretty close.

lexuz said:
Well I can easily takes pictures of spiders and stuff like that, pretty close.
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can you show me?
Mine just get blurry and unfocused
(and yes, I use MACRO mode)

I've managed to take a picture of a sushi menu from about 5-7 inches away from the surface? I'm a freak for properly focused images, so was pretty happy that with the JB update, the camera seems to be able to focus closer than on ICS.

ArmedandDangerous said:
I've managed to take a picture of a sushi menu from about 5-7 inches away from the surface? I'm a freak for properly focused images, so was pretty happy that with the JB update, the camera seems to be able to focus closer than on ICS.
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AGRRRR!
So Why can't I?

It's possible, but the camera sometimes seems to go nuts and not focus properly, focusing the background and not the thing you want to take the pic of. Even with touch to focus ^.^

Zephyrot said:
It's possible, but the camera sometimes seems to go nuts and not focus properly, focusing the background and not the thing you want to take the pic of. Even with touch to focus ^.^
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The right lead doesen't seem focused to me.
Does all of your HOXs has this foucus problem?

I have completely surrendered to the idea of taking macro pictures. My HOX just doesn't do it. So I am with you.
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abejoker said:
I have completely surrendered to the idea of taking macro pictures. My HOX just doesn't do it. So I am with you.
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+1

personaly, i fixed this by focusing behind the thing i want to photograph.

Doorman404 said:
OK, I don't know if my hox is faulty or this is a bug in all of them,
so I ask,
How close can you focus the camera on your hox ?
On my device I can't focus less then 0.5-0.7 meters
and that seems odd couse my old nokia could take
great pictures from even 10cm ...
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For Macro there is a Macro mode given in the camera scenes, beside that after JB update this has been fixed, and focus is like a charm + touch to focus nd shoot is also added. you'll simply love your camera

is it normal sometimes freeze?

manas13 said:
For Macro there is a Macro mode given in the camera scenes, beside that after JB update this has been fixed, and focus is like a charm + touch to focus nd shoot is also added. you'll simply love your camera
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Every phone I've had has taken good close pictures without a macro mode. But ok, I put macro mode on and still it can't focus well. I just did a test tonight...took a EVO 4G, a one s and my HOX and they all took a great picture of the ingredients of my coke. My HOX had it all blurry, even in Macro mode. It sucks.
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In the LGCamera app, there is a macro focus option which will lock the focus to minimum distance.

killa12222 said:
In the LGCamera app, there is a macro focus option which will lock the focus to minimum distance.
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Didnt work.
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Doorman404 said:
The right lead doesen't seem focused to me.
Does all of your HOXs has this foucus problem?
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Was on purpose, the leaf is not parallel to the phone only half of it is focused. Let me search another pic that looks better.
But is still tricky, it does not always focus perfectly in Macro.. and when it doesn't work I just close the camera app and try again.

abejoker said:
I have completely surrendered to the idea of taking macro pictures. My HOX just doesn't do it. So I am with you.
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Doesn't that make you MAD ?!
Parsenly, I got the phone because I heard of it's great Camera,
and not having a MACRO mode makes me get angry of HTC.
What were they thinking!? I can't even use it to "scan" a writing
on a note or recite

manas13 said:
For Macro there is a Macro mode given in the camera scenes, beside that after JB update this has been fixed, and focus is like a charm + touch to focus nd shoot is also added. you'll simply love your camera
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Ummm .. So this problem is only on some hoxs ?
Can you show us sharp macro image you took with it?

Doorman404 said:
Doesn't that make you MAD ?!
Parsenly, I got the phone because I heard of it's great Camera,
and not having a MACRO mode makes me get angry of HTC.
What were they thinking!? I can't even use it to "scan" a writing
on a note or recite
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It does makes me angry, because I got specifically the HOX for the Quad-core, 32GB, great screen and camera...Although, I works like charm, and I got JB already, the camera is disappointing. I take pictures everyday since I manage social networks and my phone isn't living the expectations. I need to see if it can be repaired somehow and how much would it cost me.

abejoker said:
It does makes me angry, because I got specifically the HOX for the Quad-core, 32GB, great screen and camera...Although, I works like charm, and I got JB already, the camera is disappointing. I take pictures everyday since I manage social networks and my phone isn't living the expectations. I need to see if it can be repaired somehow and how much would it cost me.
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I believe it must be a bug in software ...
When I try to focus on something close, the phone
IS ABLE to get focus for a moment and then losses it.
(Can't lock the focus)
Any chance it's fixable by some software update?

[Q] What's the problem with the damn camera focus?

I finally went on a trip this past weekend and tested the camera extensively. I took lots of 20MP pictures and 1080p videos, all of them outside. The camera keeps losing focus and has a very hard time finding it again. What's the problem? Is there a way to lock the focus or at least adjust it manually? Here is a video I recorded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M33DArbxBcc&feature=youtu.be
This is really frustrating. At least 1/3 of the pictures I take come out blurry and out of focus, which is weird. I've taken pictures out of a moving car and many of them came out perfectly focused. Some of the other pictures I took without moving at all came out blurry. Videos are almost without exception guaranteed to go in and out of focus. I expected this phone to do better than that and am hoping it's a simple problem that can be solved. What has your experience been? How can you solve this?
P.S. I am using RomAur v1.2.

I have the same problem with stock rom. Focus is really bad. I hope they fix it in an update.

Same problem here with stock rom

Any updates on this issue? (here's another thread with no answers: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2703714)
I took some videos last week and I'm having exactly the same issues using rooted stock 4.4.4. The problem is even worse, if you are filming at night.

alexri said:
Any updates on this issue? (here's another thread with no answers: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2703714)
I took some videos last week and I'm having exactly the same issues using rooted stock 4.4.4. The problem is even worse, if you are filming at night.
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Your concern may be right. I didn't do many video testing in 4.4.4 so I can't confirm but I've also a feeling the focus is even slightly worse than 4.4.2 and quality is downed a bit too. The video is not sharp as and detailed because the denoise algorithm is stronger in 4.4.4.
True video lover might better stick with 4.4.2 but for most people they just won't notice it. But 4.4.4 is real improved photo so I think most guys will just go for 4.4.4.
Indeed, video is never real good on mobile, it is not Digital Video Recorder or DSLRs. HTC, Samsung and LG theirs video focus are not good too.

Strange...
I just tested it with my phone (rarely take any videos) and I had no problems with the focus. Even on quick change from near to far it adjusts quickly and does not lose focus.
I have the 4.4.4 stock camera installed.
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Schlengge said:
Strange...
I just tested it with my phone (rarely take any videos) and I had no problems with the focus. Even on quick change from near to far it adjusts quickly and does not lose focus.
I have the 4.4.4 stock camera installed.
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hmmm.... in my post, I was talking only about video. Photo on the other hand already got improved focus in 4.4.4.
Testing camera indeed could be a very difficult and professional job because in every situation may got various results. You have no problem don't really meant others won't have it because we are in a completely different testing environment.
It won't everytime can't focus or all times can't do from near to far or else the camera is total defective and Sony will receive many complaint. The problem is our camera is always semi-break or buggy, it works but not that easy to predictable or unstable and works perfectly like a DSLRs because they got a much better software. The problem can be only happened in some specific environment.

Anyone knows how to get the Stock G4 Camera app?

Hello!
Yesterday I flashed CyanogenMod on my G4 H815 and just before the phone rebooted, I realized that I won't have the mega-awesome Camera app from LG. So does anyone know if there is any apk or any way to get it? To mention, I didn't backup my device because... because.
Thank you!

Probably won't work even if you get the apk, since most OEM specific apps need OEM specific framework to run. I think the only way to have it working on CM would be to port it. But why would you want that anyway? The image quality won't really change. It's not that much dependant on the app but rather the drivers running the camera.

nitrous² said:
Probably won't work even if you get the apk, since most OEM specific apps need OEM specific framework to run. I think the only way to have it working on CM would be to port it. But why would you want that anyway? The image quality won't really change. It's not that much dependant on the app but rather the drivers running the camera.
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It's not necessary the image quality, but the flexibility you have with that app (manual focus, iso, exposure time, etc.). I hope there is a way to use that app. While I was searching for it I found that there is the G4 Camera app ported for G3, so I am thinking that there could be the original app somewhere..
Thanks!

It's not possible right now. There have been efforts to port it, but nothing has come out of it yet. There are however other apps that are pretty good. And the CM stock camera app only misses the HDR and Manual settings. The quality otherwise is similar

xdag4 said:
It's not possible right now. There have been efforts to port it, but nothing has come out of it yet. There are however other apps that are pretty good. And the CM stock camera app only misses the HDR and Manual settings.
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there are 3rd party apps that should work for manual setting but your max shutter won't exceed 0.7s. This is the already the case with the stock firmware and 3rd party camera apps.
There is something called night shot which the G4 resorts to very often especially with the front camera. that will be gone. Selfies ain't going to be as good. it's also used for the rear in lower light. Though a longer exposure will produce better images. night shot is a convenience when you don't want to set up on a tripod.
The quality otherwise is similar
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How can you tell ?
it requires a side by side in full resolution with 2 G4's one with stock & CM under varying lighting. Lots of comparisons like that.
How good is the Cm camera in auto ? that's one of the strengths of the stock G4 camera.
Does the Cm camera make use of the colour sensor at all.

Except for the 30s exposure there is nothing special about that app, just use Proshot and you will be far better, cancel noise reduction make dngs and you have better shots

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How can you tell ?
it requires a side by side in full resolution with 2 G4's one with stock & CM under varying lighting. Lots of comparisons like that.
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I can tell because I have seen photos from both cameras (on the computer). And if you really need 2 separate G4s under the same conditions side by side to tell the difference then there is not much difference. It's the audio bitrate debate all over again.
I am not saying it's as good as with stock but similar in most situations. I miss the HDR feature because it helps in low light situations.

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I can tell because I have seen photos from both cameras (on the computer).
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Can you post links to examples of photos taken with cm camera ?
saw a few in the g4 community but the max resolution was just 2.4MP, need to be full resolution.
The low light shots on auto were crap. The G4 is a low light shooter in stock auto.
And if you really need 2 separate G4s under the same conditions side by side to tell the difference then there is not much difference. It's the audio bitrate debate all over again.
I am not saying it's as good as with stock but similar in most situations. I miss the HDR feature because it helps in low light situations.
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Such are the requirements for a clinching argument. otherwise its based on faith.
if people want to go down this route they need to know what they will be losing.
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ObiDanKenobi said:
Except for the 30s exposure there is nothing special about that app, just use Proshot and you will be far better, cancel noise reduction make dngs and you have better shots
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heh, anything from 0.5s UP TO 30s isn't possible.
I would be very sceptical about replacing stock with cm camera until i see plenty of examples with cm.
Also bear in mind that vendors keep a very tight lock on their cameras and don't share much with 3rd parties. yeah you can use a 3rd party app in some circumstances but you can never replace the stock camera in all situations. This stock cmaera that can challenge the likes of smasung and is touted as a major selling point of the G4. Yeah, i say its pretty special.
Which is a requirement to any one considering the CM path.
What i'm reading here is if you want CM then you don't care too much about the camera to begin with. That would not surprise me as people that are good with roms don't tend to be very good with camera and vice versa. it's rare to find both those skill sets in people.