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[Q] post/pre OTA explaination?

Could someone explain or point me in the direction of an explanation for how installing a custom rom affected automatic updates, as well as the difference between pre and post ota, and why we can't install a pure clean android 2.2 installation in our phones. I am relatively new to this, but did alot of iPhone hacking before.. I've already rooted, S-OFF and flashed a few different roms having my phone 2 weeks and new to android hope someone can explain, thanks :_)

When you flash a custom ROM, you will no longer get the automatic updates OTA. Either you will have to revert to the stock ROM for the update, or the ROM developer will have to incorporate the OTA update changes into the ROM.
There are a few ROMs that attempt to give you a plain vanilla Android experience. But in my opinion, Cyanogen is one of the best mixes of plain Android with lots of extra features.

Okay that makes sense, I'm currently using a villian rom with no sense, is it worth my while installing cyanogen? and if so will i go with RC4 of wait for the stable release?

jakbjak said:
Could someone explain or point me in the direction of an explanation for how installing a custom rom affected automatic updates, as well as the difference between pre and post ota, and why we can't install a pure clean android 2.2 installation in our phones. I am relatively new to this, but did alot of iPhone hacking before.. I've already rooted, S-OFF and flashed a few different roms having my phone 2 weeks and new to android hope someone can explain, thanks :_)
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Well, the reason for many semi-bricks from trying to downgrade to original stock rom pre- or post-OTA was the fact that hboot was hacked, and not truly "S-OFF." If you search the dev section you will find the S-OFF, SIM unlock, SuperCID guide that will give you true S-OFF. I recommend reading that--it helped elucidate why semi-bricks were showing up. Once this is done, it should be easy to flash a rooted, stock ROM when the OTAs start showing up and get the update that way, or just wait for it appear in the forums (which is usually sooner than the OTA gets pushed out, anyhow).

So the S-OFF I have isn't complete? Not that I need a sim unlock as I bought the phone off contract, but it's worth my while getting the true S-OFF? Thanks for all ye're help, there are so many people talking about these things in every section it's hard to pull a search of a simple explanation,

jakbjak said:
So the S-OFF I have isn't complete? Not that I need a sim unlock as I bought the phone off contract, but it's worth my while getting the true S-OFF? Thanks for all ye're help, there are so many people talking about these things in every section it's hard to pull a search of a simple explanation,
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Yes, the previous S-OFF was via an engineering version of HBOOT, which was set to report S-OFF. But the security setting is actually held in the radio, and was still S-ON.
The new, "true" S-OFF (via gfree) is a lot safer than the old method, e.g. much less prone to a brick if you flash the wrong thing (e.g. an older RUU than the ROM you're running).

[Q] HBOOT update?

Hello everyone
Iam a bit nooby in android yet, but i've successfully done rooting + S-OFF already, flashed latest CM by using ROM manager+CMR, got latest RADIO and now...iam a bit frustrating
Should i update my HBOOT, which is 0.76.2000 (PC1010000)?
And how can i make it???
Thanks in advance.

There is absolutly no reason to update HBOOT. It won't give you any more features or better battery life. All it does is patch some exploits probably.
Sent from my G2 running Cyanogenmod 7.

Ok, thank u =)
But what is a proper way to upgrade ONLY hboot?

That guy was actually quite incorrect in his statement. The hboot you mentioned is the engineering hboot, it has additional functionality over the ship hboot that your phone came with, in particular, it allows you to to use FASTBOOT.

Ow, tnx.
So is it necessary to update or not?

WarcoLLapsE said:
Ow, tnx.
So is it necessary to update or not?
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Not strictly necessary (I do not have the ENG HBOOT) but many guides more or less assume that you have it.
I would expect that if you are just going to be flashing custom ROMs that you should not need it, but if you are getting into more advanced hacking it will probably be required.
I have not updated to the ENG HBOOT for two main reasons.
1. When the wiki says that installing it is "OPTIONAL AND UNNECESSARY" I take it at it's word.
2. If you make any mistakes at all in flashing your HBOOT you can brick your device fairly easily (I view it as a small but unnecessary risk)

Thank u all guys)
The topic can be closed i think.

[Q] Another question about hboot

Is there any reason why somebody WOULD NOT want the latest hboot version?
For example, the latest version (according to forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485) is 2.16.0001. Yet I still see some members on here using 2.15.0001 and 2.10.0001. Is that because they just haven't gotten around to flashing the updated version? Are there are negative effects to having the latest hboot version? On that same website, it says some of the later versions are "not downgradeable". So why would you want to downgrade?
Also, in searching through threads, I think I've kinda picked up on a problem between certain hboot versions and certain Radio versions, that some versions are not compatible with each other. Is there any problem?
Thanks for the help!
Basic summary of questions:
1. Is it good to have the latest version of hboot?
2. Are there any negative effects to having X version of HBOOT versus Y version of HBOOT?
3. Would there ever be a point to downgrading your hboot, besides taking it back to the store?
4. Does X version of HBOOT conflict with Y version of RADIO?

jasongthang said:
Is there any reason why somebody WOULD NOT want the latest hboot version?
For example, the latest version (according to forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485) is 2.16.0001. Yet I still see some members on here using 2.15.0001 and 2.10.0001. Is that because they just haven't gotten around to flashing the updated version? Are there are negative effects to having the latest hboot version? On that same website, it says some of the later versions are "not downgradeable". So why would you want to downgrade?
Also, in searching through threads, I think I've kinda picked up on a problem between certain hboot versions and certain Radio versions, that some versions are not compatible with each other. Is there any problem?
Thanks for the help!
Basic summary of questions:
1. Is it good to have the latest version of hboot?
2. Are there any negative effects to having X version of HBOOT versus Y version of HBOOT?
3. Would there ever be a point to downgrading your hboot, besides taking it back to the store?
4. Does X version of HBOOT conflict with Y version of RADIO?
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1. It is what it is, is just tells you what stock firmware you had; no hboot is better; though you could argue the .76 cuz of fastboot, though you can use fastboot regardless
2. Yes and no, just before 2.10, they can no longer be downgraded; the .76 also allows fastboot commands
3. You would only 'downgrade' really if you had to use evolutionary to go from 6.16 > 2.16 , and that is done for you in the unrooting process
4. No, the hboot won't conflict with your radio

Thanks man, appreciate it.

jasongthang said:
Thanks man, appreciate it.
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No problem man.

2. The only negative effect of having a hboot above 2.10 is you cannot run unrevoked forever which means that any future ota cannot s-on your phone if you have flashed unrevoked forever. Also dont go getting any ideas of downgrading your hboot unless it is for unrooting like roxxorz said cuz you will most likely brick your phone
Sent from my DECK'ed out EVO

{ParanoiA} said:
2. The only negative effect of having a hboot above 2.10 is you cannot run unrevoked forever which means that any future ota cannot s-on your phone if you have flashed unrevoked forever. Also dont go getting any ideas of downgrading your hboot unless it is for unrooting like roxxorz said cuz you will most likely brick your phone
Sent from my DECK'ed out EVO
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so if i dont plan on using any OTA's from sprint, i can just flash 2.16.0001 hboot and just run rooted roms correct? And then if I run the stock RUU to unroot back to complete stock, would that change the hboot?

Worth upgrading HBOOT and Radio?

First of all, please accept my apologies if this has been in some way answered before. I did a search as far back as early 2011 but could not find a satisfactory response hence my posting here.
I have a PVT1 Desire with HBOOT 0.80.0000, 5.14.05.17 Radio and S-ON. The phone is rooted with Amon-RA recovery and currently happily running JB. All is working well and I am conscious of the fact that should I decide to update the HBOOT and Radio to the latest version, I would have to start from scratch in terms of rooting etc. but as the phone is currently working just fine, I would appreciate people's opinion if there are any real benefits in upgrading.
Many thanks in advance.

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I really don't know or understand what you're waiting for. Why not s-off? It's so simple using revolutionary.
If you have a s-off, "rooting" is just flashing superuser from recovery. Not a complicated process at all.
Sent from my iStone using a shoe.

abaaaabbbb63 said:
I really don't know or understand what you're waiting for. Why not s-off? It's so simple using revolutionary.
If you have a s-off, "rooting" is just flashing superuser from recovery. Not a complicated process at all.
Sent from my iStone using a shoe.
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except his hboot is 0.80
revolutionary needs 0.93.001 or 1.02.0001 to work
Sent from my HTC Desire

Then his only option is to use unrevoked?
Sent from my HTC Desire using xda premium

thanged losse
Just to clarify, I have no issues with upgrading and then rooting from scratch but, as my understanding is, that would involve going back to the official GB rom (to upgrade the HBOOT) and then doing all else, I was just wondering if it worth the hassle i.e. whether upgrading HBOOT and the Radio files brings any tangible benefits.
Many thanks for your responses.

fraxos said:
Just to clarify, I have no issues with upgrading and then rooting from scratch but, as my understanding is, that would involve going back to the official GB rom (to upgrade the HBOOT) and then doing all else, I was just wondering if it worth the hassle i.e. whether upgrading HBOOT and the Radio files brings any tangible benefits.
Many thanks for your responses.
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alot of roms these days do recommend the latest radio and the advantage of s-off is that u can change hboots for more space. if u click the all things root guide in my sig i think ul get pretty much all the info u need there.
Sent from my HTC Desire

Many thanks for all the suggestions.
I have now updated to the latest Radio but still not sure about HBOOT and S-OFF. Since I am using JB which requires stock HBOOT, there is little advantage to S-OFF for me? Also, is there a quick way to upgrade just the HBOOT without having to install the offiicial HTC GB rom?

i wouldnt recommend upgrading RADIO ! had so many issues with different roms the last year after upgrading to the latest radio. Now I am back to the latest official radio that was delivered in Europe (5.11.05.27) and having no issues since then with ICS or any other roms.
I have the impression that some issues revolve from the newer 5.17.xx.xx radios being incompatible with some roms.

fraxos said:
I have a PVT1 Desire with HBOOT 0.80.0000, 5.14.05.17 Radio and S-ON. The phone is rooted with Amon-RA recovery and currently happily running JB. All is working well and I am conscious of the fact that should I decide to update the HBOOT and Radio to the latest version, I would have to start from scratch in terms of rooting etc. but as the phone is currently working just fine, I would appreciate people's opinion if there are any real benefits in upgrading..
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Why just not to install latest RUU - it automatically flashes new HBOOT and Radio.
About efforts - it's just allows to use modern ROMs.
May be a little improves quality, stability and battery time.
PS I haven't any issues with 5.17.05.27 radio

Dude... He got his answer. Stop reviving dead threads.
Sent from my toaster.

[Q] Any advantages when updating to RUU?

Hey everyone.
I'm currently running CM10 nightlies on my HOX. My HBOOT is 0.95, as my HOX hasn't been running Sense for a long while. And the phone isn't carrierlocked.
My question is, though, will there be any advantages to updating with the latest JB RUU? Surely I'll get an updated radio firmware, which hopefully will help my connection issues. But is there a danger in upgrading the HBOOT at this point? Will I still be able to install CM10(.1)?
Thanks in advance

debichu said:
Hey everyone.
I'm currently running CM10 nightlies on my HOX. My HBOOT is 0.95, as my HOX hasn't been running Sense for a long while. And the phone isn't carrierlocked.
My question is, though, will there be any advantages to updating with the latest JB RUU? Surely I'll get an updated radio firmware, which hopefully will help my connection issues. But is there a danger in upgrading the HBOOT at this point? Will I still be able to install CM10(.1)?
Thanks in advance
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CM is supported on all HBoots so you dont have to worry about upgrading your HBoot version.
Advantages of upgrading HBoot:
* Better firmware and new JB with good radio as u already know
Disadvantages of upgrading HBoot:
* If a S-off exploit is discovered which is on a lower HBoot and is fixed on the newer ones then you wont be able to use that s-off...ofcourse other exploits can be discovered...but its always good to remain on lower HBoots if you are plannin on s-off
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kskendsup said:
CM is supported on all HBoots so you dont have to worry about upgrading your HBoot version.
Advantages of upgrading HBoot:
* Better firmware and new JB with good radio as u already know
Disadvantages of upgrading HBoot:
* If a S-off exploit is discovered which is on a lower HBoot and is fixed on the newer ones then you wont be able to use that s-off...ofcourse other exploits can be discovered...but its always good to remain on lower HBoots if you are plannin on s-off
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Thanks a lot!
As far as S-OFF goes, I'm not sure I need it. Sadly, unlocking the bootloader allows me to do what I want: install CM. CM and root access is all I need