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hello everybody
I am totally a noob as you say. i have a defy officialy updated to 2.2.2; since then i have some lag and reboot. in the french forum i have been advised to move to cm7 to avoid such pb. they give me links and tutorials, but it seems very hard to me to go ahead, i roughly succed in recording apk in the sd cards.
they try to help me nicely, but i feel totaly lost moreover with this strange vocabulary you use
this is why i am wondering if it is a good thing for me and the use i have of the defy to try to upgrade it.
basically, i read my emails, skype friends, facebook, read ebooks and take pictures and video of my sons i don't feel any probs with motoblur, don't play game or video or other stuffs like that.
even now, i am writing with my laptop .
i am pissed off when it reboot but it isn't not the end of the world.
what cm7 could bring to sb like me ?
thanks for your help
I do not use the Defy, but it sounds like you are happy with your phone. CM7 streamlines a lot of
unwanted and imo unneeded apps (and lots more really) from your phone. If you are satisfied with your phone's performance I see no need to do anything. I do however use CM7 and love the less is more feel and MUCH better performance.
Read the forums to decide what is best for your own needs.
Cheers
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Hmmm...if y you are new to rooting, flashing and using recovery and is not adventurous, then I suggest to stay with froyo as of now especially if you don't have the time or a spare phone. But if you really want a faster (case to case), good on battery( case to case), beingconstantly updated phone, then change to cm7.
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This is really a nice qn
I have used official eclair froyo miui cm7
cm7 is not so gud in customizations.
They give some hardware acceleration and you will not find much of lags on that gingerbread UI.
For looks, i recommend u to use Launcher pro . I am using it with cm7 and the combination is perfect.
U can definitely move to cm7 latest nightly.If u want good camera then u can move to milestone 2 rom.
On the contrary, CM7 is heavy customizable. Lots of features. I suggest you read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065798 and the CM7 thread for the latest Google Apps and Cm7. It's not that hard to install, actually it's really easy if you follow their steps.
You can use ADW/ Launcher pro or GO launcher. I personally use Go Launcher and i like it, doesn't crash, loads fast.
You can PM me if you want help in upgrading. Why keep your smartphone on 2.2 when you can unleash it's full potential with 2.3.4. Another reason is apps support, everything works on Gingerbread but not everything on Froyo, Hardware is much more faster ( download Quadrant Standard from the market) i get 2200-2400 . Browsing, doc reading/editing is much smoother. Better battery and the list could go on.
Oh, andf Nightlies are for testing... RC0/RC1 are stable versions to use.
romuloxiii said:
I do not use the Defy, but it sounds like you are happy with your phone. CM7 streamlines a lot of
unwanted and imo unneeded apps (and lots more really) from your phone. If you are satisfied with your phone's performance I see no need to do anything. I do however use CM7 and love the less is more feel and MUCH better performance.
Read the forums to decide what is best for your own needs.
Cheers
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yes, i was happy, except with th lags and reboots i meet since i updated it to froyo, but it isn"t so bad
salingpusa said:
Hmmm...if y you are new to rooting, flashing and using recovery and is not adventurous, then I suggest to stay with froyo as of now especially if you don't have the time or a spare phone. But if you really want a faster (case to case), good on battery( case to case), beingconstantly updated phone, then change to cm7.
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i think your are true, the gain i can havve compares to my use are very low, better stay and crossing my finger for an official upgrading
Deonix said:
On the contrary, CM7 is heavy customizable. Lots of features. I suggest you read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065798 and the CM7 thread for the latest Google Apps and Cm7. It's not that hard to install, actually it's really easy if you follow their steps.
You can use ADW/ Launcher pro or GO launcher. I personally use Go Launcher and i like it, doesn't crash, loads fast.
You can PM me if you want help in upgrading. Why keep your smartphone on 2.2 when you can unleash it's full potential with 2.3.4. Another reason is apps support, everything works on Gingerbread but not everything on Froyo, Hardware is much more faster ( download Quadrant Standard from the market) i get 2200-2400 . Browsing, doc reading/editing is much smoother. Better battery and the list could go on.
Oh, andf Nightlies are for testing... RC0/RC1 are stable versions to use.
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i had a quick look at the tutorial for noob and it is clearly easier than thr one i read before.
finally i will keep this version but i will keep on reding here, as i am very nosey i will certainely jump the gap one day.
thanks for all your replies and explanation
Had cm7 on my SGS got my defy and knew it had 200mhz less processor but otbwas very laggy needed restarting loads lots of force close. Opening Google maps was a joke.
Installed cm7 all better now and it removed the 800mhz underclock so now rocking a 1ghz and it works better then my SGS. Did some quick boot tests, opened a few apps defy was quicker then the SGS and the iPhone 3gs
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I suggest you to read this thread. People around here usually talk about pros of CM7 (and custom ROMs in general), but you have to be aware that there are certain cons also.
Japro said:
I suggest you to read this thread. People around here usually talk about pros of CM7 (and custom ROMs in general), but you have to be aware that there are certain cons also.
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thanks,
after an attentive look at it, it seems that most probs are on camera and as it is a main use of my defy i will stay with official froyo.
thanks guys
I had some reboots and issues too after updating to official froyo. They were all gone after doing a complete wipe.
If you have many apps installed and stuff on your phone, root your phone using SuperOneClick (is really, REALLY easy.. click, click rooted) and install Titanium Backup. Save all your apps and do a complete Wipe.
After that, your phone should be working perfectly. To do this wipe, with the phone turned off, hold Volume Down and turn it on (while still holding V. Down) at the triangle screen press at the same time Vol up and Vol Down. There you will see the options to Clear Cache and Delete User data.
You could also try only wiping cache, it wont delete any information on your phone, but might fix issues (No rooting or anything special needed for this)
Hope it helps~
Zephyrot' s post speaks true. See if you can't fix the issues with a factory reset / cache clear
For the first few months I didn't want to really root my phone or flash it as I was expecting ear piece problem. When I finally took the plunge I wanted a rom that removed motoblur, it's launcher and almost everything else so I could configure it myself from market apps and always have the latest versions.
This lead me not to CM7 - which is also rather bloated and still rather buggy when i last tried the nightlies it 2 weeks ago - but Barebones: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=977989
I installed 1.5.1 after flashing the nordic 2.2.2. I have never been happier.
I have now updated to 1.5.6 + the update.zip for market fixes - used Titanium backup *root* to transfer my apps and settings. I replaced the zoom launcher with launcherPro, milestone overclock to 1100 at 65vsel (after some testing with lower / higher settings).
Finally it was a blurless, bare rom that has the pure minimum as a base and all else can be added via the market afterwards.
Advantages :
its 2.3.4
highly customizable
gr8 performance
lots of options under cyanogenmod settings
mobile will be fully flexible
rest all feature u will come to know only when u try it
all the best
So Ive lurked around for awhile and read all the drama and many threads that ask the same thing over and over. Before XP came out I was on the beta testing group and have written many reviews for certain computer hardware as well as one of the originals of a Microsoft forums start up board and today is one of the largest. I also started a web hosting business and 5 years later sold it for a nice profit. Basically I'm just giving you some past info on me..............
Now my plans are as follows:
Phone:
SGS2, With all common apps installed, wifi on, service on, sync with gmail/contacts. Every test will be setup as a daily used phone. Prior to every flash I will have a fully charged battery, will run that battery down to 0 (till phone shuts off), recharge and then run that charge down to 0. Screen time on will be around 3 hours which seems to be typical (That's my target time).
Prior to each flash I will do a nano backup. I will not be doing a titanium backup of any apps. All apps will be reinstalled via market after initial flash. The steps for each flash will be performed exactly as detailed below and no custom flashing will be done. Each ROM as provided by the dev will be the only thing used.
Steps:
1. Place ROM on ROOT of your SD card.
2. Boot into Recovery Mode
3. Do a NAND BACKUP
4. Flash DARKSIDE.SUPER.WIPE
5. Select perform factory wipe / Wipe data/factory reset
6. Navigate to mounts and storage and format /system
7. Under advanced, wipe dalvik cache+wipe battery stats
8. Choose to install zip from sdcard
9. Wait while the rom is being flashed
10. Fix permissions (for those roms that require this)
11. Reboot
12. Now wait 15 minutes, phone will not be touched
13. Reboot again
14. Wait another 10 mintues before starting setup
Benchmarking (On full charge):
1. I will run each test 5 times (1 test, reboot, 4 test (after each test "Clear Memory" in task manager).
2. The scores of each test will be added together and divided by 5 to give me the average.
3. The 2 benchmark apps will be AnTuTu and Quadrant Standard
4. I will take a screenshot after each test
ROMs:
1. [ROM] DARKSIDE DIGITAL WARFARE [v2.4]
2. |ROM|Paradox II|Paradise|3|5|12|
3. [ROM] Juggernaut v5.0
4. [ROM] slickMOD v3.4[SUPREME]
Reason:
We have so many variables in what can be or is the best rom but I haven't seen one person do a full test on multiple roms for a few days and spend time testing how they work or feel. Yes I know, one rom may act differently on one phone apposed to another but I'm not trying to build a rocket or crown anyone king. I want to give other users a base to start with.
Suggestions:
If anyone has any other suggestions or comments please feel free especially if I have overlooked a possible step some where.
In closing if you think I'm just a nut job and I'm wasting my time please tell me that also. Last thing anyone wants to do is think they are doing a good thing and come to find out it was for no good reason and/or wasn't helpful.
i think this is a fantastic idea for measuring raw performance. however, you also have to keep in mind each rom has its own features, look and feel that is different from the others.
lvlonkey said:
i think this is a fantastic idea for measuring raw performance. however, you also have to keep in mind each rom has its own features, look and feel that is different from the others.
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Oh yeah I totally agree and each user has their own dislikes/likes. This is really only trying to measure the ROMs performance via battery life and benchmarking. Just a starting point for end users who come here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1493097
I started something this already a while back. And haven't had time to revisit it. If you are going to go down this path, keep in mind the criticism from my thread. I still don't agree that the clock speed should be normalized for all ROMs. But running it multiple times might be a good idea.
Having all benchmark apps on sd would be ideal. That way you can install the apk without having to install any other app, thus keeping the ROM in as pristine state as possible. I only found 1 ROM that didn't come pre-loaded with a file manager. So I had to adb install the apk.
It took a lot of time to do what I did, with just a single run, but I thought the results are telling. Some ROMs focus on performance, others focus on battery life. So I think this still has a place.
I was going to revisit my thread this weekend, but it was because I didn't see anyone else (or I was not searching good enough). So if you keep this up, power to you.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1493097
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Thanks man. You did get a lot of heat in that thread but I applied you because your base test is what I am after. The typical performance out of the box as the dev hands to a normal user. I won't be changing any settings on the cpu or anything else. The dev releases a ROM setup for a reason so there is no need to be changing it like others posted in your thread.
Ive said it once and I'm sure I will have to say it a dozen more times - Base test for roms out of the box on 2 benchmarking apps, battery and personal usage is what I am after.
Great idea!
I would love to see your results!
Foxstar gets no love again haha
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cpu/undervolting
I really like the idea of testing multiple roms one after another on the same device. It would be the most accurate way to test them imo. Some roms are coming out from the developers either overclocked,undervolted, or any combination of the two. Do you intend on leveling these variables, in any way, before testing or running them exactly as the dev intended.
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or running them exactly as the dev intended.
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I'm going to run them as the dev intended. The main reason why is most people only gain the balls to actually try rooting and installing a rom but most won't mess with overclocking or voltage. I know many will disagree and say things like "these test never work or aren't correct" but I'm after the battery stats, out of box, end user results.
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Foxstar gets no love again haha
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I just picked the top 5 based on replies/post via their thread. if you like I will definitely throw Foxstar in it. Ive finished with DIGITAL WARFAR and slickMOD and just flashed Paradox II about an hour ago.
When do you expect to be able to post your results? Any previews Also as I'm sure you already know Warfare 2.5 may be dropping soon.
rickdmemphis said:
When do you expect to be able to post your results? Any previews Also as I'm sure you already know Warfare 2.5 may be dropping soon.
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As of now each rom test is taking 2-3 days. I would imagine in the next 7-10 days I would have a full thread with all results.
I plan on doing warfare 2.5 and I'm also waiting for Beastmod 5.0 to also do.
ROMs done:
DARKSIDE DIGITAL WARFARE [v2.4]
slickMOD v3.4[SUPREME]
Paradox II|Paradise|3|5|12| - Recharging to 100 then running benchmarks and I'll be done
Flashing tomorrow morning:
Foxstar
Hi there,
I have just upgraded from a Wildfire S to a Nexus4. I would like to use the Wildfire S a secondary phone (for which right now I use a very old/crappy/non-android phone).
So far my experience with the Wildfire S hasn't been stellar (standard HTC rom): the lack of memory made it very hard to really enjoy it: every time an update popped up it was a struggle to get it to install properly.
So I would like to take the opportunity to clear up the phone and install a more ... "comfortable" rom.
I don't have huge requirements: some simple games for the kids to be entertained, some music, check the news ...
My absolute preference is to have a rom that uses very little memory in order to forget about all the headaches I had in the past ~2 years.
So, I started looking for the roms available. My oh my: talking about choice! It's great, of course, but choosing is not straightforward.
Looking here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2068879) I see that there is such thing as a "Slim rom" which sound quite attractive from where I am sitting.
So the question is: SlimCM10 o "standard" CM10 (like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2136011).
Roms like "ParanoidAndroi" don't seem too attractive to me, not on a screen as tiny as that of the wildfire S.
I would like someone's opinion on this. Perhaps I should look at totally different roms ...
Suggestions?
Thanks!
You have quite a few options.
If you want your kids to play games on, I wouldn't recommend even the SlimCM10 because all it does is removes certain unneeded alps in system. I'm on the normal CM10 and it does lag at times.
CM7 is a good alternative, since it is gingerbread, everything works.
If you want to do a little more work, you can check out the Customized stock ROMs by Crossfire77 and me. They're compatible with most tweaks including the famous v6 Supercharger. After you install this ROM you can install v6 Supercharger, Adrenaline Engine, Pimp my ROM tweaks and even an app called Seeder.
These tweaks and apps will work on all afore mentioned ROMs and will reduce lag by a lot.
Since just CM7 is a bit laggy, installing Seeder would do the trick and you can play games just fine.
You can also look at other sense based ROMs like Wildchild.
Good luck!
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Hi Lt Win,
thanks for your input: they make sense to me.
Perhaps I'll give first a shot to CM10.* (I see you're on Jelly King, which is CM 10.0, if I understood correctly): do you have memory issues? (I am worried that newer versions of Android are more demanding, in terms of memory, than older ones).
The reason being that I would prefer keeping ICS/JB type of interface on all my phones, which would make it easier to maintain.
The Nexus 4 is on 4.2, I plan to update the HTC Sensation to the latest CM once I familiarize myself with the whole procedure using the Wildfire S as a guinea pig.
Lag is also not a huge issue: as it is today is acceptable (of course, less is better) as I don't plan on using it intensely.
I don't plan to install particularly taxing games: my kids are young so memory game, coloring stuff ... that's plenty.
I'll research more on what are the issues with JB on the Wildfire S and then I'll make the final decision. I can always go back to CM7 if I don't like how it "feels". In which case, I'll go for your custom rom.
Best regards.
Edit: love the jetpack avatar by the way. I like that game!
yankeeDDL said:
Hi Lt Win,
thanks for your input: they make sense to me.
Perhaps I'll give first a shot to CM10.* (I see you're on Jelly King, which is CM 10.0, if I understood correctly): do you have memory issues? (I am worried that newer versions of Android are more demanding, in terms of memory, than older ones).
The reason being that I would prefer keeping ICS/JB type of interface on all my phones, which would make it easier to maintain.
The Nexus 4 is on 4.2, I plan to update the HTC Sensation to the latest CM once I familiarize myself with the whole procedure using the Wildfire S as a guinea pig.
Lag is also not a huge issue: as it is today is acceptable (of course, less is better) as I don't plan on using it intensely.
I don't plan to install particularly taxing games: my kids are young so memory game, coloring stuff ... that's plenty.
I'll research more on what are the issues with JB on the Wildfire S and then I'll make the final decision. I can always go back to CM7 if I don't like how it "feels". In which case, I'll go for your custom rom.
Best regards.
Edit: love the jetpack avatar by the way. I like that game!
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Memory issues, well not so much. I get ~100mb free space on install, and a few apps would probably fill it up. I recommend partitioning your SD Card, flashing a script called INT2EXT so whatever size your partition is, your internal memory will be that much. Battery life is a bit of a problem, I must say. There's more on Mobile Data than WiFi, so you would want to use WiFi more.
Again, seeder, adrenaline engine and v6 Supercharger can nearly kill the lag. Of course, games will be a bit laggy. Heavy games, that is.
The issues on JB are:
*Panorama is weird.
*Camcorder has very low frame rate.
*No USB Tethering. (Using phone as a modem)
ICS issues:
*No camcorder - Wrong colour output.
* Panorama is weird / doesn't work. (I don't remember that well)
*No USB tethering.
CM7 issues:
*Slightly worse camera than stock.
*No USB Tethering.
This should help out on choosing.
P.S. I love Jetpack Joyride, its too much fun!
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Man, you're a well of info. Thanks! (yes, I clicked the button too)
I plan on using almost exclusively WiFi. In fact, I may get rid of the data altogether (it's the secondary phone after all).
I won't need to use the camera much: mostly still photos for "work" related stuff, so I don't plan to use panorama or camcorder.
Also, no USB tethering.
Which clears me for both ICS and JB.
What I really need the phone for is:
- sync contact (this is actually quite crucial, even though it seems like a trivial feature)
- occasional mail check
- still photos in well lit environments
- listen to podcasts
- occasional gaming
- "portable" storage device
If I can ask one last question about the battery consumption: are you saying that it is especially bad on ICS/JB roms? As in, noticeably worse than with stock gingerbread?
If so, is this also a problem with custom gingerbread roms?
I get a fairly decent battery life with the stock rom, so this was not one of my primary concerns.
Thanks again.
yankeeDDL said:
Man, you're a well of info. Thanks! (yes, I clicked the button too)
I plan on using almost exclusively WiFi. In fact, I may get rid of the data altogether (it's the secondary phone after all).
I won't need to use the camera much: mostly still photos for "work" related stuff, so I don't plan to use panorama or camcorder.
Also, no USB tethering.
Which clears me for both ICS and JB.
What I really need the phone for is:
- sync contact (this is actually quite crucial, even though it seems like a trivial feature)
- occasional mail check
- still photos in well lit environments
- listen to podcasts
- occasional gaming
- "portable" storage device
If I can ask one last question about the battery consumption: are you saying that it is especially bad on ICS/JB roms? As in, noticeably worse than with stock gingerbread?
If so, is this also a problem with custom gingerbread roms?
I get a fairly decent battery life with the stock rom, so this was not one of my primary concerns.
Thanks again.
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The battery life is a problem with data on, so if you're using wifi you're good. However, battery life on standby is much better than stock but if you use data with screen on a lot, you'll get quite a good amount of battery drain.
Other than that, it's just fine. And I would recommend the following custom ROMs:
Gingerbread - Wildchild (based on stock) , CM7.2
ICS - CM9 Alpha 9.
JB - Jelly King, Speed Droid. Although I love jelly king. Ext partition is recommended on ICS and JB. Use INT2EXT.
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I just installed Jelly King 2.0 .... So far it looks quite good. Time will tell.
Thanks again for your help and suggestions.
I have the original KF and it's rooted to use CM10 rom. However, a lot of the apps are crashing / FCing frequently and I'm not sure if it's my KF dying or just the rom is too bloated. For example, when I use Chrome browser and use Tunein or Live365, the latter would crash a lot. Even in Chrome, the keyboard would sometime not respond or won't even display when I want to type something into the address bar. I tried Maxthon and it would complain about low memory even if it's the only app running.
I tried the following roms:
HellFire JB
CM10.1 / SGT7
SmoothRom (keep saying my apps can't be installed)
All of them are exhibiting the same problems. When I use EX Task Manager and close programs, only 150MB of memory is available afterward. So should I just give up and downgrade back to ICS?
Downgrade to ICS?...well if you hate having a somewhat decent battery life I would say that would be good lol. Seriously though....the issue with Chrome and the keyboard has been experienced by many users. In your process of wiping ROMs, have you ever wiped the SD card partition to clear everything out?
If you want more memory you might want to go back to GB because compared to JB and ICS, it is far more lightweight.
Yep. I did wipe the SD card and Android Secure last 2 times when I install the ROMs. I'll double check GB roms and see what are still available. There is really no point in battery life if the apps keep crashing, it's as good as a flash light at this point.
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it's as good as a flash light at this point.
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Best flashlight I ever saw! Lol.......by the way, how many apps do you actually have installed? Maybe tweaking the OOM settings would help?
In TWA_priv's ROM if you go to developer options and go top the bottom and find the apps section. Try unchecking kill background processes, and keep background activities set to 6. This MIGHT help, seemed to help with the chrome issue. That plus a full wipe
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From my own experience, I had an extremely laggy KF running cm10. I did a full wipe and am running twa's cm10.1 and its a world of a difference.
Here's what I did to help speed:
Full wipe (cache/dalvik/system)
Delete unused folders on sdcard
Flash twa_priv's cm10.1 & newest GApps
SetCPU to max OC
Install only necessary apps (I have ~60 apps total)
Keep as few apps open at a time
Both of the cm10.1 ROMS (twa's and hashcodes) are running very smoothly. Granted the KF is extremely limited by its RAM, try clean installing one of those ROMS and it may breathe new life into your KF! :good:
hi, just wondering if there are any roms available that are completely stable and finished for this phone?
if not, (as i have not found any), is the original stock rom (rojers) available to download anymore?
thanks guys..
jmpcrx said:
hi, just wondering if there are any roms available that are completely stable and finished for this phone?
if not, (as i have not found any), is the original stock rom (rojers) available to download anymore?
thanks guys..
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After reading a lot, I believe I can confirm that only GB, and stock ICS are stable, as with no issues, some little glitches but no deal breakers. As for Rogers, there's only Osimod GB ROM based of Rogers. The rest are based of UCLJ3
lasuazo said:
After reading a lot, I believe I can confirm that only GB, and stock ICS are stable, as with no issues, some little glitches but no deal breakers. As for Rogers, there's only Osimod GB ROM based of Rogers. The rest are based of UCLJ3
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ok thanks lasuazo ;--)
I guess omni and cm11
jmpcrx said:
hi, just wondering if there are any roms available that are completely stable and finished for this phone?
if not, (as i have not found any), is the original stock rom (rojers) available to download anymore?
thanks guys..
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I may be off base here but I guess the [4.4] cyanogenmod 11 and omni ROM are pretty much stable ...
Though the pretty much is still a while away from complete the following are the general bugs with bubor's amazing Roms:
There is an audio bug when making VoIP calls which gives audio latency ..
There is fixed camera rotation which means all the pictures are in landscape
There is no Wi-Fi direct
Google experience launcher is not that Good looking (I know I am complaining)
Google maps 7 has issues but can be dual loaded with maps 6 so they work
Backlight,PPI, lag all have fixes though
Battery drain is a bit more
But as far as performance goes... They are pretty smooth..
So I guess make your choice
thefusor said:
I may be off base here but I guess the [4.4] cyanogenmod 11 and omni ROM are pretty much stable ...
Though the pretty much is still a while away from complete the following are the general bugs with bubor's amazing Roms:
There is an audio bug when making VoIP calls which gives audio latency ..
There is fixed camera rotation which means all the pictures are in landscape
There is no Wi-Fi direct
Google experience launcher is not that Good looking (I know I am complaining)
Google maps 7 has issues but can be dual loaded with maps 6 so they work
Backlight,PPI, lag all have fixes though
Battery drain is a bit more
But as far as performance goes... They are pretty smooth..
So I guess make your choice
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i wish i could agree with you.. im running kitkat crdroid, and like every rom i have flashed over the years, has plenty of bugs that make it very annoying as a daily rom. phone switching off twice a day, icons/widgets dissapearing after rebooting, becomes laggy after a week or so of usig the rom, laggy browsing on all browsers, trebucket crashing regurly etc etc, thats on top of the bugs you list.. the only roms that are stable are completely finished official cm or miui roms (which there are none for this fone..). the stock rom is the only one that has not given me trouble. with the greatest respect to those that put their time i to make these roms, im sure people who flash them make them out to be more stable than they really are unfortunatelly.
Maybe we have developer aura or something like that? I'm sure I just used 4.4 PAC ROM for a week without reboot or any crashes. Bluetooth, fixed camera rotation and VoIP - yes, these are issues we can't fix, the same is with google maps v.7 (we just have no hardware NEON support that uses v.7 of maps). There is also issue with wi-fi: if you turn it off, it sometimes don't turns on until reboot. As for myself, I just never turn it off.
Besides of these issues, everything is smooth and stable. Really is. But I got sometimes trebuchet crashes - this was a time when I flashed dirty and didn't make a factory reset - the new trebuchet version sometimes conflicts with the data from old version. I just went to Settings - Apps, found Trebuchet (or Launcher3 if old version) and tapped Erase Data. And the issue was gone! But I recommend to always make a factory reset with new ROM. That's really important.
And even if you have those constant trebuchet bugs whatever you do (icons disappearing is also a trebuchet bug, I never encountered it though), just install a different launcher. Google now launcher is the basic, and is like trebuchet in many ways, miui one is also good, and others, they are many!
I had problems with some icons disappearing when the system reboots. I found that the icons that disappeared were for applications which were installed on the SD card. When I moved them to the system, they stopped disappearing.
Makshow said:
Maybe we have developer aura or something like that? I'm sure I just used 4.4 PAC ROM for a week without reboot or any crashes. Bluetooth, fixed camera rotation and VoIP - yes, these are issues we can't fix, the same is with google maps v.7 (we just have no hardware NEON support that uses v.7 of maps). There is also issue with wi-fi: if you turn it off, it sometimes don't turns on until reboot. As for myself, I just never turn it off.
Besides of these issues, everything is smooth and stable. Really is. But I got sometimes trebuchet crashes - this was a time when I flashed dirty and didn't make a factory reset - the new trebuchet version sometimes conflicts with the data from old version. I just went to Settings - Apps, found Trebuchet (or Launcher3 if old version) and tapped Erase Data. And the issue was gone! But I recommend to always make a factory reset with new ROM. That's really important.
And even if you have those constant trebuchet bugs whatever you do (icons disappearing is also a trebuchet bug, I never encountered it though), just install a different launcher. Google now launcher is the basic, and is like trebuchet in many ways, miui one is also good, and others, they are many!
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like i said in my first post, i do really appriciate the fact that people spend Alot of time cooking theese roms, and it easy for me to come along and moan about them, but i have found over the years that after using a custom rom for a couple of weeks or so, its like the ram seems to gradually get eaten away, the device gradually slows down, becomes laggy and ultimately unuseable (not just this fone, and not just me that says this). im not saying all are like this, just many i have used, mainly because they never get finished.
i am very open though to people suggesting that i am doing something wrong, and maybe you have picked up on that something.. you say you do a factory reset, can i ask, do you mean a factory reset in the fone settings, or are you referring to a full wipe using cwm/twrp? as when i flash, i wipe everything accept what i dont want wiped on the external sd.. i dont factory reset, is this after you have flashed the new rom? or before you flash a new rom?
also thank you for the erase data tip for trebucket, i will try that.. i have not used the google now launcher yet, but i tried using miui launcher but when i went back to trebucket the lockscreen stayed as the miui lockscreen, which has happened on past cm roms, so i just deleted it.
just gets a bit frustrating when you spend hours getting everything working/setting up personalisation, then the phone just seems to start getting worse day by day, but maybe like you say, its cos i "dirty flashed"?
linuxguy42 said:
I had problems with some icons disappearing when the system reboots. I found that the icons that disappeared were for applications which were installed on the SD card. When I moved them to the system, they stopped disappearing.
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i did think that, and im sure you are right, but i have had every app/folder/widget dissappear twice now, then, randomly over several restarts, some widgets/apps will replace themselves over the top of the new ones i have just newly placed there.. strange, but i have came across this before on cm roms, so im sure there is a bug there somewhere, even if it is not too common..
jmpcrx said:
you say you do a factory reset, can i ask, do you mean a factory reset in the fone settings, or are you referring to a full wipe using cwm/twrp? as when i flash, i wipe everything accept what i dont want wiped on the external sd.. i dont factory reset, is this after you have flashed the new rom? or before you flash a new rom?
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Yes, what you do should suffice. I meant cwm/twrp wipe (boot, system, data, cache, android.secure). SD card is not touched. So you are doing fine with that, but anyway, there has to be something make those issues... Can you look at /system/addon.d folder? There is stored info about files that will be preserved even if you install a new ROM with a wipe. If there are many leftovers from ROMs or programs you tried earlier, then you should try to manually clear this folder before new ROM install.
the device gradually slows down, becomes laggy and ultimately unuseable
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That was the point with pre-4.2 ROMs, and even with 4.2 there was a bug with gallery thumbnails which made it to eat gigabyte and more of storage after some time. That was fixed in CM 10.1.3. Also a Lite-Kernel used by earlier ROMs is very great, but has its issues, for example, systemui crashes when camera launch after some phone use and sleep of death.
I used CM 10.1.3 for a a three months and still keeping a backup of it for a some case. There was no slowing or lagging, it was almost perfect (if you don't use VoIP or BT handset) even after those months of use. Strangely, but I didn't have even "settings -> about crash" issue bubor listed!
Welll here are some tip which have helped me
jmpcrx said:
i wish i could agree with you.. im running kitkat crdroid, and like every rom i have flashed over the years, has plenty of bugs that make it very annoying as a daily rom. phone switching off twice a day, icons/widgets dissapearing after rebooting, becomes laggy after a week or so of usig the rom, laggy browsing on all browsers, trebucket crashing regurly etc etc, thats on top of the bugs you list.. the only roms that are stable are completely finished official cm or miui roms (which there are none for this fone..). the stock rom is the only one that has not given me trouble. with the greatest respect to those that put their time i to make these roms, im sure people who flash them make them out to be more stable than they really are unfortunatelly.
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i .. umm.. well i agree that as of now they have issues but they will get better .. ours is an old device... so i guess we should tread slowly . which is exactly what the developers are doing .. .
and i agree on the ram hungry part but there are ways for that too . .
funny i have been messaging people to help me post this stuff through them . . but well thats the prob with being a junior member .
My personal tested suggestions for omni rom which have really incremented to the performace some of which are :
- using one of the lightest launchers as i find trebuchet and even google launcher RAM hungry is 'Lightning Launcher' the bloody app itself is in BYTES!!
-also i use link2sd with ext4 that helps in storage and also use sd maid for regular clean up.
-also i have been testing memory swapping using linux swap partition on sd card (class 10 ) and yeah i know it degrades sd card but oh well like Glados testing testing testing
-i have also switch off startup at boot for certain apps
and i apologize for posting what maybe well known tricks or improvs but i really dont know where else to post these (still have the ten post ban from posting )
and if these dont help then sorry to waste your time . .
PS anyone think an F2FS file system like for the nexus7 would\might help ?
tl;dr use the given tips maybe they might help . . and with custom roms i guess you have to spend time to keep them running well .
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Yes, what you do should suffice. I meant cwm/twrp wipe (boot, system, data, cache, android.secure). SD card is not touched. So you are doing fine with that, but anyway, there has to be something make those issues... Can you look at /system/addon.d folder? There is stored info about files that will be preserved even if you install a new ROM with a wipe. If there are many leftovers from ROMs or programs you tried earlier, then you should try to manually clear this folder before new ROM install.
That was the point with pre-4.2 ROMs, and even with 4.2 there was a bug with gallery thumbnails which made it to eat gigabyte and more of storage after some time. That was fixed in CM 10.1.3. Also a Lite-Kernel used by earlier ROMs is very great, but has its issues, for example, systemui crashes when camera launch after some phone use and sleep of death.
I used CM 10.1.3 for a a three months and still keeping a backup of it for a some case. There was no slowing or lagging, it was almost perfect (if you don't use VoIP or BT handset) even after those months of use. Strangely, but I didn't have even "settings -> about crash" issue bubor listed!
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ok thanks, i cleared the data in trebucket, and started again with placing apps/widgets on home screen, and i also have deleted the hacked version of adobe flash that you install with dolphin browser, and, supprisingly after a couple of days of testing, my apps/widgets are not deleting themselves, the phone is significantly less laggy, and i have had no switch offs, so, im very pleased with that! so id suggest against downloading that version of flash player with this rom..
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i .. umm.. well i agree that as of now they have issues but they will get better .. ours is an old device... so i guess we should tread slowly . which is exactly what the developers are doing .. .
and i agree on the ram hungry part but there are ways for that too . .
funny i have been messaging people to help me post this stuff through them . . but well thats the prob with being a junior member .
My personal tested suggestions for omni rom which have really incremented to the performace some of which are :
- using one of the lightest launchers as i find trebuchet and even google launcher RAM hungry is 'Lightning Launcher' the bloody app itself is in BYTES!!
-also i use link2sd with ext4 that helps in storage and also use sd maid for regular clean up.
-also i have been testing memory swapping using linux swap partition on sd card (class 10 ) and yeah i know it degrades sd card but oh well like Glados testing testing testing
-i have also switch off startup at boot for certain apps
and i apologize for posting what maybe well known tricks or improvs but i really dont know where else to post these (still have the ten post ban from posting )
and if these dont help then sorry to waste your time . .
PS anyone think an F2FS file system like for the nexus7 would\might help ?
tl;dr use the given tips maybe they might help . . and with custom roms i guess you have to spend time to keep them running well .
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some good tips there, thankyou, i havent tried any of them yet, but i will have a go at some of them and see what happens.. thanks thfusor..
jmpcrx said:
hi, just wondering if there are any roms available that are completely stable and finished for this phone?
if not, (as i have not found any), is the original stock rom (rojers) available to download anymore?
thanks guys..
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For what it's worth, I recently had to reflash and decided to use dman325's stock UCLJ3. (He has two versions, stock and one with the aosp lockscreen. If you decide to use either, use the stock one. dman325 had to resign the aosp one with a test signing key that, recently, got invalidated or declined and it prevents Google Play from updating past 3.7.15 and Google Play Services wont install at all because of a shared_uid fault due to certificate conflict, etc.)
I got frustrated with the amount of bloat in an otherwise vendor fun-packed rom, so I went in and hacked out lots of crap. Largely relying on either "what is safe to get rid of" lists for similar samsung phones and my own poking around/guestimation using dex2jar and jd-gui. I really, honestly don't understand what InputEventApp.apk was meant to do. Seriously. But, getting rid of it reduced the logcat spam tremendously. Also, the wsslcm* apks are somewhat frightening in appearance.
I've gone a few steps further, I modified android.policy.jar smali to prevent the emergency dial option from showing up on the lock screen - I accidentally pocket dialed 911 a year ago and am not about to do that again. I also modified the kernel ramdisk image to set ro.debuggable=1 and ro.secure=0. I tried, while I was at it, to replace /dev/random with /dev/urandom, but I'll have to do some experimenting.
I've added a few static binaries for proper gnu utilities. bash, ls, grep, sort, du, etc. It surprises me that a functional shell environment doesn't get more attention on phones with keyboards.
So, that's my $0.02. Try the stock UCLJ3 and fiddle with it a bit. Good luck.
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For what it's worth, I recently had to reflash and decided to use dman325's stock UCLJ3. (He has two versions, stock and one with the aosp lockscreen. If you decide to use either, use the stock one. dman325 had to resign the aosp one with a test signing key that, recently, got invalidated or declined and it prevents Google Play from updating past 3.7.15 and Google Play Services wont install at all because of a shared_uid fault due to certificate conflict, etc.)
I got frustrated with the amount of bloat in an otherwise vendor fun-packed rom, so I went in and hacked out lots of crap. Largely relying on either "what is safe to get rid of" lists for similar samsung phones and my own poking around/guestimation using dex2jar and jd-gui. I really, honestly don't understand what InputEventApp.apk was meant to do. Seriously. But, getting rid of it reduced the logcat spam tremendously. Also, the wsslcm* apks are somewhat frightening in appearance.
I've gone a few steps further, I modified android.policy.jar smali to prevent the emergency dial option from showing up on the lock screen - I accidentally pocket dialed 911 a year ago and am not about to do that again. I also modified the kernel ramdisk image to set ro.debuggable=1 and ro.secure=0. I tried, while I was at it, to replace /dev/random with /dev/urandom, but I'll have to do some experimenting.
I've added a few static binaries for proper gnu utilities. bash, ls, grep, sort, du, etc. It surprises me that a functional shell environment doesn't get more attention on phones with keyboards.
So, that's my $0.02. Try the stock UCLJ3 and fiddle with it a bit. Good luck.
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thanks etherfish, if i continue to have probs i may well do that, i was thinking about going back to stock. dont think i have the confidence to fiddle like you have though as im more of a windows man than linux, but thanks for the great advice
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thanks etherfish, if i continue to have probs i may well do that, i was thinking about going back to stock. dont think i have the confidence to fiddle like you have though as im more of a windows man than linux, but thanks for the great advice
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Well, you learn by doing, I believe. Also, I have a classy - for a flip phone - Motorola Razr2 v8 kicking around I can always put my SIM into if I've managed to hose my captivate glide. Also, I'm replying because I can't post in the rom development forum until I have 10 posts. Hurray for well founded, but nonetheless arbitrary restrictions. So, a number of things have piqued my curiosity.
So, first of all, this surprised me in the logs:
Code:
I/Launcher( 2263): onCreate(): product model family:U1 product model : GT-I9221
I'd always wondered why I had an SGH-I927 when other phones, like the remarkably similar Galaxy R, are GT-I9103. Is/was GT-I9221 an internal reference?
Also, there are other inconsistencies, for example:
Code:
D/RILJ ( 426): [1718]> REQUEST_GET_NEIGHBORING_CELL_IDS
D/RILJ ( 426): [1718]< REQUEST_GET_NEIGHBORING_CELL_IDS error: com.android.internal.telephony.CommandException: REQUEST_NOT_SUPPORTED
If you jump into the debug/field test menu system, (dial *#*#197328640#*#* ) you can bring up the list of neighboring cells in both GSM and WCDMA modes... So, why is the request marked not supported? Furthermore, why didn't samsung disable the request in the first place if they went to the trouble of disabling it from working. I imagine this has a reason, but I doubt it's a terribly great one.
And the FM receiver? I do believe our broadcom BCM4329 is a bluetooth+wifi_in_an_sdcard (well, SDIO really, but still, not pci-e and not usb.) and has an FM receiver built in, but it's omitted and hidden?
Code:
W/AudioPolicyManager( 112): FM radio recording off
Oh, the conspiracy theories. And then there's the weird lines you discover if you dump the string identifiers from /system/bin/drexe!
For example, these lines are all sequential:
Code:
broadcast -a android.provider.Telephony.SECRET_CODE android_secret_code://767*3855
InvokeOemRequestHookRaw broadcast factorst OK
InvokeOemRequestHookRaw factorst fail %d
/system/.configure.txt
(what's with /system/.configure.txt???)
Do not type 767*3855 into your phone. It's the factory wipe code or possibly part of it. I do believe drexe is the DataRouter you often see spamming the logs with:
Code:
E/DataRouter( 107): usb connection is true
E/DataRouter( 107): DSR is ON. Don't send DTR ON.
And we find these strings in drexe:
Code:
__initialize_usb_ipc
/data/.usb_stream
usb connection is true
InvokeOemRequestHookRaw usbstatus true is success
oh, and:
Code:
pipe failed (%s)
fork failed (%s)
child pid = %d.
execute sh.
system/bin/sh
execl fail %d
What do you think? Why does drexe seem to have code to support and start a shell? Well, if nothing else, thank you for reading.
P.S. I don't suspect anything the least bit conspiracy like, malicious, or devious. I've worked for some huge companies; i don't think it'd be likely.
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Also, I'm replying because I can't post in the rom development forum until I have 10 posts. Hurray for well founded, but nonetheless arbitrary restrictions.
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Technically, you can post in cappy dev forums started from 3 posts. I saw someone posting there his fourth post.
As for other things you listed... Well, I'll be glad to have an FM receiver in our glide. But I really think that reason for all this staff can be as simply as hands growing from wrong place or restricted development time...
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Technically, you can post in cappy dev forums started from 3 posts. I saw someone posting there his fourth post.
As for other things you listed... Well, I'll be glad to have an FM receiver in our glide. But I really think that reason for all this staff can be as simply as hands growing from wrong place or restricted development time...
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I recently, after some research, also installed dans stock (i decided to go complete stock since i didnt know what the lock screen thing meant).
I havent had any trouble with being outdated. Only thing i noticed (unless im doing it wrong, im new to this phone) was that screencaps dont work. its power button and volume down, right?
Other things id like to customize are data being in the top drawer instead of bluetooth (since i never use it), and id like to be able to see who texted me on the lock screen, but while still using the stock messaging app, and without an app having to constantly run.
Other than those couple of things its been great!
im HOPING down the road for an un-buggy or at least minimally buggy version of 4.4. well see what happens with that i guess.
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I recently, after some research, also installed dans stock (i decided to go complete stock since i didnt know what the lock screen thing meant).
I havent had any trouble with being outdated. Only thing i noticed (unless im doing it wrong, im new to this phone) was that screencaps dont work. its power button and volume down, right?
Other things id like to customize are data being in the top drawer instead of bluetooth (since i never use it), and id like to be able to see who texted me on the lock screen, but while still using the stock messaging app, and without an app having to constantly run.
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well i always say stock is best cause it IS optimized however there are things like keep and total Google integration that i like so i updated to kit kat
for screen caps if they dont work i could maybe suggest an application called super manager its pretty loaded it has screen cap and may even give you prox sense wake up for device.
also customizing the drawer hmm.. i guess you could try xposed framework but please be careful and make a backup before
as for who texts you and the content of the text you could try dash clock its able to do a lot
hello guys I was just wondering if I could get some help since I returned back to fully Ice Cream Sandwich Stock. I completely removed all the system bloat with link2sd, uninstalled all att crap. Can anyone recommend me something since I feel the ram consuption still to high... battery so far is doing kind of good almost as in crdroid
But i believe it can be improved. Any recommended settings or something else i can do? Already tried lite kernel but it gave me some issues. Rather keep stock. Any recommendations please guys. Also if you know a "ok google" like app or something as a swifty assistant would be nice. Please recommend. Thanks in advance
jmpcrx said:
hi, just wondering if there are any roms available that are completely stable and finished for this phone?
if not, (as i have not found any), is the original stock rom (rojers) available to download anymore?
thanks guys..
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Hi,
well that depends.. on what you mean with "finished"
I have tested all (3 months ago) available ROMs for the Glide. IMO the best available ROM is PACman but as said it depends. I used pac_i927-milestone.1.RC1.4.zip for a long time (months) without having any issues besides Bluetooth Headset which is a general problem in JB and higher version). I have tried other PACMan ROM versions as well but the above one was the best of stability and battery life (in my case).
So it depends what features you really need or are a must-have for you. If you do not have bluetooth headsets I would recommend the above otherwise .. well I would recommend sediROM
Regards
xdajog
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lasuazo said:
hello guys I was just wondering if I could get some help since I returned back to fully Ice Cream Sandwich Stock.
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Haven't done that before but would be rooted ICS stock also ok for you?
If so:
--> search for thread ID 1994902 or search for: [ROM] Stock UCLJ3 Rooted, Deodexed, Zipaligned
(sorry not allowed to post links..)
Regards
xdajog