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Hey guys, I was wondering if there is any possible way to make the dock look like above? I know that most launchers come with the same appearance where the 6 dots with a circle around it is in the middle. I would like to have it so on my stock rom or any other rom's i'm using would have the same effect. I don't like having the apps tray icon on the far right side, and prefer it having it in the middle, besides I'm sure most people would like it in the middle to as it just "looks right" in the appearance.
Simplest answer will probably be to use an apex launcher or nova launcher or any other launchers. But I rather just continue using the stock touchwiz, for me the transitions in touchwiz are actually very smooth and eye candy imo.
And if possible in anyway, is there also a standalone app/mod/theme where oversizing and overlapping widgets is plausible?
Thank you!
I've been chasing my tail on this one, too, for a while. I've found a few people who have managed this task on TW4, but not on TW:UX.
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magn2o said:
I've been chasing my tail on this one, too, for a while. I've found a few people who have managed this task on TW4, but not on TW:UX.
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Ya even if there isn't an add-on for oversizing and overlapping widgets, it'll be great if there is some kind of modification or app that allows the dock to appear like the way it is in the photo without the use of a launcher.
Intercrew said:
Ya even if there isn't an add-on for oversizing and overlapping widgets, it'll be great if there is some kind of modification or app that allows the dock to appear like the way it is in the photo without the use of a launcher.
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Personally, I'm not seeing the adversity to using a launcher when it's clear you want the benefits and features of a launcher. I've used Apex and I don't quite follow your comment about the transitions being smooth(er) in TouchWiz. Apex offers a bunch of transition options and also allows resizing all widgets, though I don't think you can overlap them.
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Personally, I'm not seeing the adversity to using a launcher when it's clear you want the benefits and features of a launcher. I've used Apex and I don't quite follow your comment about the transitions being smooth(er) in TouchWiz. Apex offers a bunch of transition options and also allows resizing all widgets, though I don't think you can overlap them.
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You can overlap them, and I prefer the transitions of the stock when flipping through the screens.
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Personally, I'm not seeing the adversity to using a launcher when it's clear you want the benefits and features of a launcher. I've used Apex and I don't quite follow your comment about the transitions being smooth(er) in TouchWiz. Apex offers a bunch of transition options and also allows resizing all widgets, though I don't think you can overlap them.
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There isn't a third party launcher out there that is as consistently smooth as TW:UX. I've tried at least half a dozen.
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You can overlap them, and I prefer the transitions of the stock when flipping through the screens.
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You can get the transitions of stock with Nova launcher. I worl AT&T and have a stock GS3 next to me and my GS3. The transitions are almost identical and look MUCH smoother on Nova, no doubt. It's hard to compare when you don't have two phones next to each other. You can also adjust transition speed on Nova to make it as smooth or fast as you want.
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There isn't a third party launcher out there that is as consistently smooth as TW:UX. I've tried at least half a dozen.
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Again, like above I just played with two GS3s next to each other. One with TW:UX, one with Nova and the Nova is clearly smoother. And everyone of my six co-workers agreed. You are however entitled to your own opinion but I'm just saying tough to compare the two without have two phones to compare side by side.
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cwburns32 said:
Again, like above I just played with two GS3s next to each other. One with TW:UX, one with Nova and the Nova is clearly smoother. And everyone of my six co-workers agreed. You are however entitled to your own opinion but I'm just saying tough to compare the two without have two phones to compare side by side.
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Actually, funny you bring it up, but I do happen to have 3 S3s. In my testing, I've found exactly the opposite. Don't get me wrong, I love Nova. I gladly purchased Prime, and it was my defacto launcher on every Android phone I've used up until now (and I've tried a lot).
The the thing is, I've never stuck with any of them. I've always wound up going back to my iPhone. It wasn't because the iPhone was a "better" device.. it was because iOS was a smoother experience. I know it's silly, but my main "gripe" with Android has always been the stutters and hesitations. Sure, the S3 still has a few -- but it's SIGNIFICANTLY better. And from what I've seen with Jellybean, Google has finally addressed the issue. But, I digress..
I guess I'm hypersensitive to it, but TW:UX is markedly smoother and, most importantly, consistent in it's transitions. Nova is great, and the features it brings are worth it's weight in gold, but I just find TW:UX to be smoother. That's just my personal experience based on my testing.
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Actually, funny you bring it up, but I do happen to have 3 S3s. In my testing, I've found exactly the opposite. Don't get me wrong, I love Nova. I gladly purchased Prime, and it was my defacto launcher on every Android phone I've used up until now (and I've tried a lot).
The the thing is, I've never stuck with any of them. I've always wound up going back to my iPhone. It wasn't because the iPhone was a "better" device.. it was because iOS was a smoother experience. I know it's silly, but my main "gripe" with Android has always been the stutters and hesitations. Sure, the S3 still has a few -- but it's SIGNIFICANTLY better. And from what I've seen with Jellybean, Google has finally addressed the issue. But, I digress..
I guess I'm hypersensitive to it, but TW:UX is markedly smoother and, most importantly, consistent in it's transitions. Nova is great, and the features it brings are worth it's weight in gold, but I just find TW:UX to be smoother. That's just my personal experience based on my testing.
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Ya I've tried nova and there wasn't a transition that was the same as sgs3 or a default transition so I'm not sure what the other guy is saying. And ya I would have to agree that the iOS tends to be smoother and in general the OS is okay for basic users but it's too limited in customize wise even when it's jailbroken, Besides I rather have a bigger screen, expandable memory, removable battery, and just experience in the Android OS.
So I guess there isn't any other way to get the dock application icon in the middle? I actually like the touchwiz ux
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Actually, funny you bring it up, but I do happen to have 3 S3s. In my testing, I've found exactly the opposite. Don't get me wrong, I love Nova. I gladly purchased Prime, and it was my defacto launcher on every Android phone I've used up until now (and I've tried a lot).
The the thing is, I've never stuck with any of them. I've always wound up going back to my iPhone. It wasn't because the iPhone was a "better" device.. it was because iOS was a smoother experience. I know it's silly, but my main "gripe" with Android has always been the stutters and hesitations. Sure, the S3 still has a few -- but it's SIGNIFICANTLY better. And from what I've seen with Jellybean, Google has finally addressed the issue. But, I digress..
I guess I'm hypersensitive to it, but TW:UX is markedly smoother and, most importantly, consistent in it's transitions. Nova is great, and the features it brings are worth it's weight in gold, but I just find TW:UX to be smoother. That's just my personal experience based on my testing.
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True it is all personal preference and everyone is entitled to their own opinion depending on their own experience.
In all honesty I think the GS3 running a custom ROM is a smoother experience than iOS on the iPhone but hey again opinions lol.
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Ya I've tried nova and there wasn't a transition that was the same as sgs3 or a default transition so I'm not sure what the other guy is saying. And ya I would have to agree that the iOS tends to be smoother and in general the OS is okay for basic users but it's too limited in customize wise even when it's jailbroken, Besides I rather have a bigger screen, expandable memory, removable battery, and just experience in the Android OS.
So I guess there isn't any other way to get the dock application icon in the middle? I actually like the touchwiz ux
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I have found two of the options in scroll effect similar to transitions on TW:UX if sped up or slowed the proper way.
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cwburns32 said:
True it is all personal preference and everyone is entitled to their own opinion depending on their own experience.
In all honesty I think the GS3 running a custom ROM is a smoother experience than iOS on the iPhone but hey again opinions lol.
I have found two of the options in scroll effect similar to transitions on TW:UX if sped up or slowed the proper way.
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Could you share the settings so I can try out?
Any new info? I can't find a solution :l
Solution: cm10
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phzi said:
Solution: cm10
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So, the OP wants to make a change to icon position in the stock launcher of his stock ROM without having to use a third-party launcher or a custom ROM.
Your solution is, and I quote, "cm10".
Brilliant. :good:
magn2o said:
So, the OP wants to make a change to icon position in the stock launcher of his stock ROM without having to use a third-party launcher or a custom ROM.
Your solution is, and I quote, "cm10".
Brilliant. :good:
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Your attitude is brilliant.
If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything.
boostnek9 said:
Your attitude is brilliant.
If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything.
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Just curious, but are you the pot or the kettle in this scenario?
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So playing around with the leak the past day and half has made me decide that I'll be getting the Nexus when it comes out, or waiting for another ICS device released with it out the box.
It was way to Gingerbread feeling for me. It didn't feel new to me. Even with the ICS launcher instead of the TW one. I know it isn't a final release, but this is basically what we are going to see.
I also know the devs do an awesome job for this phone, but I don't know if they are going to fix this up good enough for me not to just jump on what ICS was meant to be.
I understand why Samsung did it this way, but huge disappointment.
You do realize that someone, here in our very own forum, is working on putting aosp on our phone, right? Which means it will be _exactly_ what ics was meant to be.
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You do realize that someone, here in our very own forum, is working on putting aosp on our phone, right? Which means it will be _exactly_ what ics was meant to be.
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I realize that, but we still don't have an AOSP GB that works perfectly......
Like I said I love the devs....but idk I'll wait and see if they get it done.
Go get the Nexus, enjoy!
I might be a minority in thought, but I actually am not impressed with ASOP, for some reason, it just feels a little half baked. Back in the day, I flashed an ASOP rom on my original Epic and EVO, and let a normal user try it for a day. They looked so lost compared to their iPhone.
Not wanting to make this into a pissing match, but I see the appeal of overlays such as TouchWiz or HTC Sense. From a customer experience perspective, the overlay is what sells the device, not the version of Android. The users of this board, and similar forums, make up a small percentage of actual buyers.
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Even with the ICS launcher instead of the TW one. I know it isn't a final release, but this is basically what we are going to see.
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does not compute. ICS launcher on our phone will be the same as the ICS launcher on the Nexus....
DevalB said:
I might be a minority in thought, but I actually am not impressed with ASOP, for some reason, it just feels a little half baked. Back in the day, I flashed an ASOP rom on my original Epic and EVO, and let a normal user try it for a day. They looked so lost compared to their iPhone.
Not wanting to make this into a pissing match, but I see the appeal of overlays such as TouchWiz or HTC Sense. From a customer experience perspective, the overlay is what sells the device, not the version of Android. The users of this board, and similar forums, make up a small percentage of actual buyers.
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It is AOSP. And a normal user is an iPhone user? This statement is just full of not adding up, huh?
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Nothing wrong with it... Its ics power with the colorfull look and feel of gb... Its a phone patna not a lexus!
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Galaxy !?!?!
Pshhhh
iPhone is where it's at
cnstarz said:
does not compute. ICS launcher on our phone will be the same as the ICS launcher on the Nexus....
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If I'm not mistaken you cannot resize widgets on our phone like you can with the Nexus....
Also, I'm wondering if the widgets function differently on a normal ICS install....for example adding a contact to the home screen. On the preview it shows that what they text you comes up on the home screen, but in actual usage of it only their name comes up and never switches from that..
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If I'm not mistaken you cannot resize widgets on our phone like you can with the Nexus....
Also, I'm wondering if the widgets function differently on a normal ICS install....for example adding a contact to the home screen. On the preview it shows that what they text you comes up on the home screen, but in actual usage of it only their name comes up and never switches from that..
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that's because we only have a leaked beta version...
cnstarz said:
that's because we only have a leaked beta version...
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I'm not convinced, but we will see......
Are the new ICS widgets available using the TW Launcher? I am currently restoring EL29 and can't check. I thought they didn't when I was using it but am not sure.
I'm not totally convinced Samsung intends on including some of the features like resizing widgets, but I guess I'll have to wait and find out...
Samsung will try o deliver as much of a user-friendly experience as they can.
Remember that Google put a lot of restrictions on OEM skins with ICS. You aren't going to get the heavy skinning on ICS like you did with GB. They did this because they want ICS to look like ICS, not TouchWiz, MotoBlur, or Sense. That's why you have the option to revert to the ICS launcher. If you want AOSP experience, simply stick with Calkulin's leaked version and run ICS launcher until Cyanogen comes out with CM9.
But then again, I don't make six figures and have $600+ to blow on a Nexus, so.
dude
I've had the ics on my nexus and also on my vibrant but ONCE again the potential of this device overshadows any type of os for me and for most .. idk I just find myself actually using the browser ..phone ... apps..watching movies more than the little things a lot of the people talk about getting a nexus s for.... I say have fun I'm about the go not the show. Just like my cars
azyouthinkeyeiz said:
It is AOSP. And a normal user is an iPhone user? This statement is just full of not adding up, huh?
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Yeah that's what happens when you think faster than you type.
What I was trying to say is that when you compare ICS as a build and UI experience, it is catching up, but there is a reason why overlays such as Sense and TouchWiz exist, as they really improve the experience for that common Android user. I've used the Nexus, and I still go back to the Epic Touch, just feels better in my opinion.
iSaint said:
Galaxy !?!?!
Pshhhh
iPhone is where it's at
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Pffft yeah right! It's all about the galaxy nexus
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Tripsyk said:
Samsung will try o deliver as much of a user-friendly experience as they can.
Remember that Google put a lot of restrictions on OEM skins with ICS. You aren't going to get the heavy skinning on ICS like you did with GB. They did this because they want ICS to look like ICS, not TouchWiz, MotoBlur, or Sense. That's why you have the option to revert to the ICS launcher. If you want AOSP experience, simply stick with Calkulin's leaked version and run ICS launcher until Cyanogen comes out with CM9.
But then again, I don't make six figures and have $600+ to blow on a Nexus, so.
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Neither do I, but I didn't use my upgrade on my E4GT.....I used a combination of my old phones and some video games in a Craigslist trade. So I still have an upgrade for when the Nexus comes out, but I was hoping to keep the E4GT and wait on the upgrade if ICS impressed me enough on it.
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I am running NOVA right now and I am able to resize widgets, there is an option in NOVA settings. i am not sure about AOSP launcher but you can do it with NOVA.
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I am running NOVA right now and I am able to resize widgets, there is an option in NOVA settings. i am not sure about AOSP launcher but you can do it with NOVA.
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I'll check it out when one of the devs get a smoother ICS rom up and running.
I actually went back to Blazer for now because the phone ran a little bit sluggish compared to GB and sometimes my notifications dont work....if I turned system sounds off it would stop my text notifications....and the vibration doesn't work unless the phone is on vibrate.......both things I understand are from it being a leak.
I applaud the dev's for putting up with so much whining. It's a beta build leak and the aosp is an alpha build. If dev dont release a beta build people whine saying it takes to long. When they give this forum whatever they have finished so far... more whining about bugs and stuff not working... -_- .
As title states...every Android I've had (and I've had a bunch), first thing I do is install Nova Launcher. I did that with my Note 2 immediately and kept it that way for a couple days without ever playing with touchwiz. However, a few days ago I figured I'd give TW a try and found that I actually prefer it to Nova! I was shocked, but pleased nonetheless. I find it (for the first time) every bit as smooth as Nova and I like the idea of Pagebuddy and the s pen utility icons that pop up in the notification tray. I have also found that the stock launcher seems to use less system resources than Nova...at least from what I can see by available ram.
Anyone else experience the above, or have I lost my mind?...haha
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My exact same experience from nova prime to the default launcher. Having the S calendar widgets is a bonus too
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I really like the app drawer and folder animations.
i just hate tw icons.....and the placement of the app icon! they should allow us to at least chnage those childish looking icons!
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As title states...every Android I've had (and I've had a bunch), first thing I do is install Nova Launcher. I did that with my Note 2 immediately and kept it that way for a couple days without ever playing with touchwiz. However, a few days ago I figured I'd give TW a try and found that I actually prefer it to Nova! I was shocked, but pleased nonetheless. I find it (for the first time) every bit as smooth as Nova and I like the idea of Pagebuddy and the s pen utility icons that pop up in the notification tray. I have also found that the stock launcher seems to use less system resources than Nova...at least from what I can see by available ram.
Anyone else experience the above, or have I lost my mind?...haha
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I agree wholeheartedly. I'm still using Touchmywiz after a full two weeks now. that's amazing. Me changing themes all the time with Go Launcher or Nova got boring...every theme had at least one ICON or something I didn't like to sticking with stock launcher is kind of a nice. Especially since it's so smooth.
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As title states...every Android I've had (and I've had a bunch), first thing I do is install Nova Launcher. I did that with my Note 2 immediately and kept it that way for a couple days without ever playing with touchwiz. However, a few days ago I figured I'd give TW a try and found that I actually prefer it to Nova! I was shocked, but pleased nonetheless. I find it (for the first time) every bit as smooth as Nova and I like the idea of Pagebuddy and the s pen utility icons that pop up in the notification tray. I have also found that the stock launcher seems to use less system resources than Nova...at least from what I can see by available ram.
Anyone else experience the above, or have I lost my mind?...haha
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Same. Totally stock everything here and can't find any lacking options. Samsung nailed the software on this device.
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I totally agree. TW is finally nice to have for once. The only additional thing i would like to have is quick reply for text without having to use go sms or sms popup.
Count me in too. I love it as-is. Which is a bummer, as I enjoyed flashing all the time, but for now, no-more. I had to root it, but that's it.
I cant believe how much I like tw I just wish it had force close any thing. Miui built in feature. Any one know a solution?
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I respect all of your opinions here. I hear what you guys are saying and understand it at a logical level. But, no. Just, no. Every skinned version of Android should be nuked and destroyed. Every carrier or OEM that tries to add to the Android experience should be forced to spend time for crimes against humanity.
As soon as mine gets here on Tuesday: Root and flash to the closest thing to AOSP.
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I respect all of your opinions here. I hear what you guys are saying and understand it at a logical level. But, no. Just, no. Every skinned version of Android should be nuked and destroyed. Every carrier or OEM that tries to add to the Android experience should be forced to spend time for crimes against humanity.
As soon as mine gets here on Tuesday: Root and flash to the closest thing to AOSP.
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Interesting opinion considering you haven't even used it yet...haha
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Interesting opinion considering you haven't even used it yet...haha
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I certainly have. I just don't own one yet. Had a day on the Verizon one yesterday. Used the T-Mobile for a few hours the day before. My personal AT&T one is coming in the mail. And my original Note is running CM10.
I have to agree, the TW launcher and Note 2 software are spot on. I love CM/AOSP but the stock rom is going to give CM/AOSP a run for the money. Now, if CM/AOSP can integrate the S-Pen features (note, memo, calendar and gestures) then will definitely be moving over, but for now stock (with root) is staying put. Well done Samsung!
Keeping in mind we are all sharing opinions and everyone is very velcome to voice there own. Mine is a torn one. Im very aware of the sweetness custom launchers and roms offer. My conflict is the TW launcher has so much proprietary and necessary fuction in direct relation to the phones core features I feel I woild be missing out on some potential with anything else loaded. I have been useing a modified TW launcher since day one and feel its the best experience. Considering all I have done is removed all bloat and added all the features everyone else has. Then wave around the middle finger to whomever is responsible for ATT borking it in the first place.
As its been mentioned before. If a CM or other shows up with all the TW apps and SPen compatible I would dive right in. Considering Samsung had a good lockdown on anything document related to the chipset I dont see that hapening anytime soon. The CM team has already stated they are not happy about samsungs lockdown and have suggested they might drop it all together to focus on other phones. :banghead:
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Wow. First I've seen of CM thinking of dropping support. I might just return the Note and not even open it then. Where is the best place to go for CM news?
Stock was great and all, but this is the first phone i actually ran a different launcher on it instead of stock. I was just way too annoyed about the icon size and the space between them. Got nova launcher to fix that.
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Wow. First I've seen of CM thinking of dropping support. I might just return the Note and not even open it then. Where is the best place to go for CM news?
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Says the brainwashed "AOSP OR NOTHING IT PWNZ0RZ" Nazi. Seriously of you're gonna load CM and ultimately kill one of the 3 main selling points (spen) why the hell would you even consider the note 2? Seems like the Droid DNA, where running CM/AOSP wouldn't cost you a single feature, would be a MUCH better choice for you.
As for CM: drop the Note 2. I don't care as ill never use it. All CM does to the note 2 is remove features. Want a "stock" look? Get apex or Nova launcher. Looks like CM and still gives you full spen support.
The note 2 is *****ing fast. It has killer battery life. Those were two main selling points of flashing cm/aosp. What do you gain by flashing cm/aosp? You lose features and can almost exactly replicate the look via a launcher. Its simply not needed on the note 2.
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Says the brainwashed "AOSP OR NOTHING IT PWNZ0RZ" Nazi. Seriously of you're gonna load CM and ultimately kill one of the 3 main selling points (spen) why the hell would you even consider the note 2? Seems like the Droid DNA, where running CM/AOSP wouldn't cost you a single feature, would be a MUCH better choice for you.
As for CM: drop the Note 2. I don't care as ill never use it. All CM does to the note 2 is remove features. Want a "stock" look? Get apex or Nova launcher. Looks like CM and still gives you full spen support.
The note 2 is *****ing fast. It has killer battery life. Those were two main selling points of flashing cm/aosp. What do you gain by flashing cm/aosp? You lose features and can almost exactly replicate the look via a launcher. Its simply not needed on the note 2.
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You lost me when you wrote the words “feature" and “S-Pen". I'm also really not keen on being compared to a Nazi.
Obviously, this can get into another pointless forum thread where we waste time and effort and energy posting back and forth. The OP asked a question and I answered with my opinion. You are certainly entitled to yours. And good for you, I'm glad it works for you. I'll move along.
Totally agree, bone stock here. Not even rooted. Haven't found a need to. The device is aces. Samsung nailed it.
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The main reason I flashed a ROM was multi-view. Once the AT&T version gets the multi-view I will probably jump to a rooted stock ROM. The other thing I would miss on stock is the ability to choose the notification toggles.
I am running Nova just because I like a tighter icon layout. Right now I'm on 5x8 (including the dock). Samsung loves adding in little features, I wonder why choosing more layouts wasn't one of the things they added to such a large phone.
I loved AOKP on the S II. Sorely missed a stable build with decent battery life on the One X. But, the Note is a wholly different stock experience.
I chose the Note for the TouchWiz stuff and S-Pen. It really isn't that much bigger than the S III (my coworkers S III + case is bigger than my naked Note). I knew I wanted stuff like smart stay and smart alert. All the stuff I would lose on AOSP bases. Even multi view is coming to TouchWiz JB update to the S II. Samsung has this software down, really brought their A-Game. If I stretch I can only think of two things I would have wanted stock: more freedom in row/column in the launcher, and ability to select and order the notification toggles. Nothing like the laundry list I can come up with about Sense 4+.
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Flashed my first ROM in over a year, and on my Note 3 no less. Any who I took the plunge into the Temasek custom build (for T-Mobile) and I am not into the new style of Android. So I wanted to ask, is this the direction Kit Kat is going? Or is it CM 11? Or is it just specific to the custom Temasek build?
I ran CM 7 long ago on my HTC G2 and that's more along the lines of what I'm looking for. I love features, functionality and most of all, practicality. I'm less into that flashy stuff. Anyone got any recommended ROMs I should try next?
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Same with me... I used to love AOKP on my Nexus 4, I tried it on note 3, tried CM11 and I wasn't impressed at all. Lot of options missing. Looks like you need TweakedN3. I love it and developer is a great guy always here to help.
I went with JEDI. Amazing. Amazing features. So smooth. Battery life. Daily driver for about 2 weeks now and don't see that changing anytime soon
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With the note, it really makes sense to stock with a stick based ROM so that you will have all the good features Samsung has made.
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I agree--I can't quite put my finger on what's different/missing from CM11, but so far, I am a little bored of it.
Yeah I used CM 10.1 on my old Bionic and it was great over the Moto Blur skin and such but now that I have had the S4 and now the Note 3. I have become a fan of TW features, though not all of them. As for the Note 3, personally I don't see why one would get a Note 3 and then go AOSP and lose the SPen and MultiWindow features. I mean it's faster with more ram but i think it's a waste to buy a phone that's made for the features and then take away 80-90% of the features and kinda neuter the phone. I didn't like AOSP on my S4 either but i can see people going ASOP on the S4 more so then the Note 3.
paul89 said:
With the note, it really makes sense to stock with a stick based ROM so that you will have all the good features Samsung has made.
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" to stock with a stick based ROM" lmao jk. I'm using tweaked v2 and love it
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" to stock with a stick based ROM" lmao jk. I'm using tweaked v2 and love it
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Lol, wow I went back to edit it because they both said stick lol. I must have edited the wrong "stick"!!! Too funny...
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The biggest bonus in aosp history for most people I would say is the ability of theme engine, surprising for me, this is also the first time I've ever had a phone aosp capable and switch back to tw ROM every other weekend or so. Maybe it is googles doing but it does seem something is missing from newer aosp Roms. I'd say gingerbread was my favorite android os update ever. I'm currently running aosp right now but still restless as if something's missing. Then when I switch back to touchwiz, it feels awesome but the lack of easily theming it makes me go back to aosp. FML lol I feel like a woman right now
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Yeah I used CM 10.1 on my old Bionic and it was great over the Moto Blur skin and such but now that I have had the S4 and now the Note 3. I have become a fan of TW features, though not all of them. As for the Note 3, personally I don't see why one would get a Note 3 and then go AOSP and lose the SPen and MultiWindow features. I mean it's faster with more ram but i think it's a waste to buy a phone that's made for the features and then take away 80-90% of the features and kinda neuter the phone. I didn't like AOSP on my S4 either but i can see people going ASOP on the S4 more so then the Note 3.
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Actually, I think I would be okay giving up most of TouchWiz and Pen features.
I have only been using the phone for about 2 days, but I am not in love with S-Finder, S-Voice, etc.
Mutli-window is great, but it's limited to a small selection of apps.
Pen input is great, but I can apparently do that with Papyrus.
For me, I think i'd be happy with a "Stock + some Pen" experience as opposed to the full Samsung thing.
But like I said, i've only just started with the phone, and I havent even begun looking at alternate ROMs.
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Actually, I think I would be okay giving up most of TouchWiz and Pen features.
I have only been using the phone for about 2 days, but I am not in love with S-Finder, S-Voice, etc.
Mutli-window is great, but it's limited to a small selection of apps.
Pen input is great, but I can apparently do that with Papyrus.
For me, I think i'd be happy with a "Stock + some Pen" experience as opposed to the full Samsung thing.
But like I said, i've only just started with the phone, and I havent even begun looking at alternate ROMs.
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I felt the same way about stock. If your going to CM and are going to trip KNOX anyways go and flash TWEAKED. It is solid and allows all applications for multi and pen Window modes. Easily a fantastic feature
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Yeah, that was my point i guess. Why buy the Note 3 only to lose all the pen functions? Any ROM that would allow me to keep the pen functions I'm good to try out, but I just wouldn't do AOSP anymore with this type of phone. Plus I agree with the OP, AOSP seems boring anymore.
Last night I finally downloaded the huge 1.2 GB Jedi ROM. About to flash it in a bit.
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Yeah, that was my point i guess. Why buy the Note 3 only to lose all the pen functions? Any ROM that would allow me to keep the pen functions I'm good to try out, but I just wouldn't do AOSP anymore with this type of phone. Plus I agree with the OP, AOSP seems boring anymore.
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Becauuuse, for 1,000,000th time: Not everyone uses the gimmicky Touchwhiz pen features. Scrapbook? What's that? SPen search... huh? I pull my pen out MAYBE once every two weeks to sketch something, and I can still do that in CM11 without "SNote", by using Sketchbook, Papyrus, and many other apps, with pressure sensitivity too. You can even get a "touchwhiz-like" popup and pen-removed-notification/vibration when you pull the pen out if you use the Note Buddy & CM SPen apps.
And what's boring about AOSP / CyanogenMod?
- The increased speed and reduced bloat?
- Security holes plugged WAY before carrier updates?
- Configurable Quicktiles?
- Built-in Wireless ADB, LED Flashlight, and other misc features
- Free WiFi Tethering?
- More reliable WiFi connections (TW always says "Your WiFi is Unstable")
- Quiet Hours
- THEMABILTY
- And all the other stuff I'm forgetting because I take it for granted now...
The only thing I miss about TW is the better reliability (CM crashes about once a day - to be expected this early), and the slightly better camera quality (CM AOSP camera pics have a bit more ISO noise in low light. Samsung probably uses s/w to remove it and/or longer shutter speeds)
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Yeah, that was my point i guess. Why buy the Note 3 only to lose all the pen functions? Any ROM that would allow me to keep the pen functions I'm good to try out, but I just wouldn't do AOSP anymore with this type of phone. Plus I agree with the OP, AOSP seems boring anymore.
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I think what you're missing is that you would not necessarily lose all the pen features. It seems like there are apps that will restore at least some of the pen features, which might end up being all I want.
I'm still in the honeymoon phase of using the phone, though, so I don't know yet how much the touchwiz features will end up mattering to me.
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I had flashed the Gummy 4.4.2 ROM on my Note 3 but some of the bugs..umm..bugged me too much. So I flashed CM 11 by Temasek and I love it. It runs fantastic for me and I have no complaints.
I also don't care about the SPen. I took it out and used it for about 5 minutes when I first got the phone and haven't touched it since. I got the Note 3 when I switched to T-Mobile for the screen size mostly.
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Becauuuse, for 1,000,000th time: Not everyone uses the gimmicky Touchwhiz pen features. Scrapbook? What's that? SPen search... huh? I pull my pen out MAYBE once every two weeks to sketch something, and I can still do that in CM11 without "SNote", by using Sketchbook, Papyrus, and many other apps, with pressure sensitivity too. You can even get a "touchwhiz-like" popup and pen-removed-notification/vibration when you pull the pen out if you use the Note Buddy & CM SPen apps.
And what's boring about AOSP / CyanogenMod?
- The increased speed and reduced bloat?
- Security holes plugged WAY before carrier updates?
- Configurable Quicktiles?
- Built-in Wireless ADB, LED Flashlight, and other misc features
- Free WiFi Tethering?
- More reliable WiFi connections (TW always says "Your WiFi is Unstable")
- Quiet Hours
- THEMABILTY
- And all the other stuff I'm forgetting because I take it for granted now...
The only thing I miss about TW is the better reliability (CM crashes about once a day - to be expected this early), and the slightly better camera quality (CM AOSP camera pics have a bit more ISO noise in low light. Samsung probably uses s/w to remove it and/or longer shutter speeds)
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I think you're missing the point, nvm don't worry about it. It's not worth going back and forth.
As far as CM/AOSP... The Note 3 is lag free, bloat free once rooted, I'm Deodexed so i can theme if i choose, i have free wifi tethering native now, my wifi connection is never unstable (though i have a new modem and router at home). You lose wifi calling if you need it. Quiet hours is basically the same as blocking mode. Security patches i will give you, though I'm sure they don't patch all of them.
I'm just happy to have a choice. No point saying one is better than the other. We all just choose what he like and what suits our needs the best.
Man I'm loving the Jedi rom! Quick question though. I installed the 5x6 launcher and I think I'd prefer the 5x5. Is there any way to install the 5x5 without starting from the beginning flashing?
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Dream Reality Syndrome said:
Man I'm loving the Jedi rom! Quick question though. I installed the 5x6 launcher and I think I'd prefer the 5x5. Is there any way to install the 5x5 without starting from the beginning flashing?
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Did flashing the 5x5 zip in recovery not do it for you?
theres a thread with all the modded touchwiz launchers: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2605806
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I think what you're missing is that you would not necessarily lose all the pen features. It seems like there are apps that will restore at least some of the pen features, which might end up being all I want.
I'm still in the honeymoon phase of using the phone, though, so I don't know yet how much the touchwiz features will end up mattering to me.
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If you only use the s-pen for writing purposes then that can easily be replaced by apps. The only thing I find I miss on cm is multiwindow. sure theres xhalo floating window module that is multiwindow but its not as feature rich as the samsung one. The samsung multiwindow (with certain mods) can put up to 4 apps in multiwindow at once, or 3 or whichever you choose. All resizeable which I do frequently. that coupled with the "all app" mod, its very useful. see my screenshot
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If you love TouchWiz tell us why.
If you don't like TouchWiz tell us why.
I look forward to hear your thoughts.
Cheers
I really don't mind TouchWiz myself. Since I came from an LG G2 which had a godawful stock interface this phone felt like a breath of fresh air. I use Nova Launcher so I'm not exposed much to a lot of TouchWiz but I think it is fluid overall. If Samsung would cut down on the bloat apps like Google has it would be great. I also miss the quick settings of AOSP, the implementation on this phone gets the job done though. Overall I'm alright with it but I hope we see improvements.
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I really don't mind TouchWiz myself. Since I came from an LG G2 which had a godawful stock interface this phone felt like a breath of fresh air. I use Nova Launcher so I'm not exposed much to a lot of TouchWiz but I think it is fluid overall. If Samsung would cut down on the bloat apps like Google has it would be great. I also miss the quick settings of AOSP, the implementation on this phone gets the job done though. Overall I'm alright with it but I hope we see improvements.
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I hear you there.
quick settings of AOSP is awesome
What I noticed was the large storage consumption and not good for battery life. I remember reading one of the comments here in XDA that TW slow downed his beast phone GN3.
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What I noticed was the large storage consumption and not good for battery life. I remember reading one of the comments here in XDA that TW slow downed his beast phone GN3.
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TW isnt an issue for me though i do use Nova Prime. Before I put Nova on the Note 3 was supremely fast without any lag that i could notice. I then activated the developer options and i set all 3 animations to x.5, with that, no root needed and the Note 3 is probably the fastest phone out there. At least until there are SD 805's out there. once Nova is on the phone, forget it, it's as smooth as butter.
I'm really not a fan of ASOP anymore. I used to use it on my Bionic but with S4 and now the Note 3, I have enjoyed TW mostly. I just cant stand how ASOP just looks like a old and dated UI. It's so basic and boring (like settings and the toggles) that it just looks like something a 10 year old would make. lol to me it's like watching an old 70's or 80's TV show today. You look at it and you can tell it's not current. I just like how a UI looks, not like a fisher price look like the S5 but not bland like ASOP either.
Battery life on stock rooted and debloated i was still getting like 8 hours of screen time. So the battery wasn't an issue for me from the get go.
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I hate TouchWiz with all my mind.
I hate apple with all my mind and soul.
Well the reason why I don't like touchwiz is because it reminds me of apple
And its just so hard to work with and I'm bound by it because I need WiFi calling.
I grew up with the Google version of Android
Its so nice and fun to use. it looks complex but it's simple and in a nice format.
But TouchWiz looks too simple/complex and in a bad format.
Also TouchWiz is full of stuff I don't even know that its for and it takes so much
Room 1.5g+ but in Google version of Android its 150mb+ now that's a big difference.
It almost seems like TouchWiz ROMs are built with apps there are like 300+ apps in a
TouchWiz ROM, but in a true android rom its like 50+ apps. If your like me who deletes
Apps that I don't need that will be a problem with TouchWiz roms. The apps are the firmware that will make deleting apps with a lot more consequence. And with all those apps it will bring down the performance of your phone.
writing this down helped me relieve my frustrations with TouchWiz.
Share your experience with your TouchWiz experience so we can all suffer together.
If you love TouchWiz tell us why.
I look forward to hear your thoughts.
Cheers
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Wow...there are a lot of misconceptions here.
First you do not need a Touchwiz phone to have wifi calling. The Xperia Z1S, the HTC One M8, LG G2, Flex, Optimus and other phones support wifi calling...Google phones do not because they get their software from Google without the carrier files. So you are not stuck with Touchwiz.
The amount of apps on your phone do not impede performance. It would be the amount of apps running and syncing that would do that.
Touchwiz is a UI...not just apps or the launcher as someone mentioned using Nova...you are still on Touchwiz..just not the TW launcher.
So it is true that a UI sitting on top of a base OS can only slow things down a little...think Windows on top of DOS for us old folks.
As TW phones are made for the common folk, there are a lot of included TW tied in apps for the general consumer so they do not have to spend hours searching Play for that perfect Sticky note app, or music player, or whatever...These apps can certainly be removed or frozen.
Also included in the 1.5GB of OS is all the carrier support files and all the Google Apps...that 150MB you mention for AOSP has no Gapps included.
I, too have tried AOSP ROMs...and found them to be no different with how they operate except all the nice shortcuts are gone and all the TW apps and widgets too. All are very Apple-like to me. I always got the best battery life on ROMs based on stock (TW).
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Wow...there are a lot of misconceptions here.
First you do not need a Touchwiz phone to have wifi calling. The Xperia Z1S, the HTC One M8, LG G2, Flex, Optimus and other phones support wifi calling...Google phones do not because they get their software from Google without the carrier files. So you are not stuck with Touchwiz.
The amount of apps on your phone do not impede performance. It would be the amount of apps running and syncing that would do that.
Touchwiz is a UI...not just apps or the launcher as someone mentioned using Nova...you are still on Touchwiz..just not the TW launcher.
So it is true that a UI sitting on top of a base OS can only slow things down a little...think Windows on top of DOS for us old folks.
As TW phones are made for the common folk, there are a lot of included TW tied in apps for the general consumer so they do not have to spend hours searching Play for that perfect Sticky note app, or music player, or whatever...These apps can certainly be removed or frozen.
Also included in the 1.5GB of OS is all the carrier support files and all the Google Apps...that 150MB you mention for AOSP has no Gapps included.
I, too have tried AOSP ROMs...and found them to be no different with how they operate except all the nice shortcuts are gone and all the TW apps and widgets too. All are very Apple-like to me. I always got the best battery life on ROMs based on stock (TW).
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Yes it's true there are misconceptions but that's how it see things.
But When you said I don't need a TouchWiz to have wifi calling sns/mms that's true but I don't have those phones
And what did you mean about "carrier support files"
So wifi calling uses a Giga of Space
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Well the reason why I don't like touchwiz is because it reminds me of apple
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No offence but this is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. Please do tell how vastly different and inferior TW reminds you of anything that apple puts out. Do tell.
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No offence but this is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. Please do tell how vastly different and inferior TW reminds you of anything that apple puts out. Do tell.
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No offence taken but I just want you to understand
Every one has there different feelings
TW is different to Apple that's a given
Its just TW is closer to apples ui
I'm just Apple hater that's me
So if something is close to Apple I just don't like it
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Yes it's true there are misconceptions but that's how it see things.
But When you said I don't need a TouchWiz to have wifi calling sns/mms that's true but I don't have those phones
And what did you mean about "carrier support files".
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No offence but this is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. Please do tell how vastly different and inferior TW reminds you of anything that apple puts out. Do tell.
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lol sorry but i have to ask as well. You say "inferior" to Apple, I'd have to say that's inaccurate but subjective at best. If you mean inferior to an OS that is basically nothing but an app drawer, then ok I guess.
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Yes it's true there are misconceptions but that's how it see things.
But When you said I don't need a TouchWiz to have wifi calling sns/mms that's true but I don't have those phones
And what did you mean about "carrier support files"
So wifi calling uses a Giga of Space
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Carrier support files are all those wonderful things you guys like like CIQ, and can't speak for T-mobile but Sprint adds things like Sprint Zone, Sprint Connection Optimizer and many more..so T-mobile has their own brand of similar files.
You complained about Touchwiz...is this your first Touchwiz phone? You stated you had to have it..I guess if you are stuck with this phone then yes..even the Nexus 5 does not have wifi calling and there is nothing they can do about it..so at least you have a choice. If this is not your first Touchwiz phone then...why?
Wifi calling does not use a gig of space...however Google apps and Touchwiz apps and support files together do. Samsung is lazy...if you ever decompile one of their apps you will see 1000's of icons that are never used...because the same TW app works on the other carrier phones as well as many other models so the icon packs included have to cover many resolutions so there are redundant folders. It is not cost effective to them to trim down all these apps and custom tune them for each phone they include them on...and then they would have to do the same for each update. Regardless, they do steal a little less than a GB of internal storage space. If you were to take an AOSP ROM, add gapps, and also download an equivalent app from Play for what is included in Touchwiz ROMs you would start nearing the same size. Debloated TW ROMs are about half the size of full stock.
Don't like the idea of being stuck with TW. I actually prefer AOSP but on the note3, TW is just so much smoother and has everything I need and there aren't any problems. I love how I can use the full function of the phones (s-pen and things affiliate with it) without worrying to find good working apps that would be as remotely easy to use).
Even before my root and custom rom installation, my stock note 3 was as smooth as butter. So all in all, TW doesn't bother me as much as it does some people.
I don't see why you don't just flash a Aosp theme if you don't like the look of touchwiz. I'm all for AOSP but there are just things that touchwiz has that makes me want to stay like Pen window.
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I don't see why you don't just flash a Aosp theme if you don't like the look of touchwiz. I'm all for AOSP but there are just things that touchwiz has that makes me want to stay like Pen window.
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Dose Aosp theme change the look of settings to aosp
I am actually a major HTC fan and since I have owned my note 3 I have enjoyed the TW experience except for the fact that it is a ram hog
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I am actually a major HTC fan and since I have owned my note 3 I have enjoyed the TW experience except for the fact that it is a ram hog
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I know
Well in my experience , touchwiz isn't all that bad at all. It does lag here and there but with the right kernel and rom, it is very much usable and fluid. I used to use Nova exclusively but after going back to touchwiz these past fewweeks, I realized it's pretty good.
messiahfreedom said:
Well in my experience , touchwiz isn't all that bad at all. It does lag here and there but with the right kernel and rom, it is very much usable and fluid. I used to use Nova exclusively but after going back to touchwiz these past fewweeks, I realized it's pretty good.
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OK...again...Touchwiz is a UI. Nova replaces the TW Launcher...not Touchwiz itself....the slide to call or message, settings options, the apps that are TW exclusive and much more is Touchwiz.
Oh my bad. You meant the touchwiz as a whole. Well, as a whole. Anyway touchwiz for the most part is simple enough. It takes some playing with in order to realize it's features, but for the most part it is alright. It's more simple than what the iPhone offers, at least in my opinion.
New Touchwiz
The new Touchwiz on GS5 is acceptable, closer to flat design, i like it.
Even on a super fast device like this one, Touchwiz is still garbage in terms of fluidity and smoothness compared to Sense. 6
I just switched from HTC One M8, and it was smoother than Touchwiz in almost every respect. Sure, some scenarios are nearly indistinguishable on both devices in terms of smoothness, but some are really bad on Note 4.
For example, whenever something happens in the background that requires storage access, the Note starts to chug.
Do this test on your device. Start updating 5-10 apps in the Play Store, then go and scroll in some other app. You will see immediately that the scrolling becomes jerky and sometimes stops completely for half a second when a new app starts updating. Sense doesn't do that. If you've never played with Sense 6, I suggest you go to a store and check it out - it's completely smooth regardless of what happens in the background.
It's as if Sense can utilize only idle cpu cycles for background processes, so everything remains smooth and fluid at all times, while Note 4 appears to give full real time priority for certain routines of background processes. For a modern flagship devices, this is unacceptable.
I really hope we can get root very soon, so developers can possibly fix this travesty.
How do we get Samsung to care about this? I took their survey from the email I got. I focused on speed and performance. How else can we alert Samsung? That people who care about speed and performance should have a voice?
Touchwiz is sorta like windows vista lmao
I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Touchwiz here refers to the entire Android "skin, " not just the launcher. You will have jerky performance of the kind I described in the op with Nova and any other launcher.
I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
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I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
Rippley05 said:
Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
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I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
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Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
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LOLOL he is just not getting what you're saying dude... give up on him... the rest of us understand exactly what you mean... cannot wait for root.... hopeful after reading the last few posts of this thread ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/talk-root-t2908919/page18# we may be getting somewhere...
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
My N4 is very smooth. Especially compared to my G3. Only thing that lags is the recent apps button up, which is a bit disappointing as I use that all the time.
I agree with the issues with tw. Part of it has to do with the work on the Java threads which is why the choreographer process always drops frames which is the jitter. The kernels are also tuned differently and more for stability than anything else.
Rippley05 said:
I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
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Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
deefster said:
Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
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Actually. Where did I make it abundantly clear? May want to pay attention to what you read. Wasn't me.
Sense is boring to me. It's generic, doesn't offer a fraction of the software features and customization that samsung/LG offer. That's the tradeoff for being so smooth..and that's what I was talking about. Not the launcher.
I'm enjoying touch wiz. I don't see how u guys don't like it. If u don't like it then just don't buy a Samsung phone.
It's more of a fundamental issue with android in general. Here is an older article, but it explains the issue pretty well.
http://techland.time.com/2011/12/07/is-android-doomed-to-lag-more-than-ios/
Maybe lollipop will change how the UI is rendered , maybe not. But I don't think the lagginess is the sole product of touchwiz. Touchwiz does not modify the deep level coding that controls CPU access prority, ISR behavior, etc. Seems like Samsung is trying to do the best with what they got.
Here is some follow up on the guys original post where google developers comment.
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13fzt2wrwaxwjqxc04cdx0jsve5hhl4b04
While I'm not a software engineer, I am an electrical and computer engineer. I quit my full time job and went back to school at 30 because I was tired of not being educated enough to understand the things I had questions about.
It's funny.. the more I learned the more I realized how astonishingly difficult it was/is to build the technology we have today. The amount of engineering that goes into designing today's modern processors is incredible. Now that I am "in the know" with exactly how these things work, it's a lot easier for me to understand the milestones and why things are the way they are (heat dissapation in modern multicore CPUs is one of those things that is hard to solve and even harder to explain to the layman why it's hard to solve, a commanding grasp of quantum physics and modern microscale transistor design theory is needed) and I don't get bothered by it, I realize that it's being worked on and I can identify the subtle improvements and I recognize the significance of those improvements.
The point is, it's easy to "blame" samsung or Google for the stuttering you are experiencing, but it's better to recognize the progress that's being made. The problem is not trivial to solve and to think it is or that "it should have been fixed by now" is really naive.
crazed_z06 said:
Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
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This is really the thing that bothers me the most. Bringing up recent apps is SO SLOW. There is a huge delay when you press that button. It really makes that feature useless for the stuff I use most, because I can just hit the home button and the app shortcut faster than using recent apps.