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I am writing this now on a handset which has really not lived up to all its hype, for me anyway.
I received the Samsung Omnia 7 last Monday, and while it was amazing for the first couple of days, once the novelty factor of the UI wore off I've been getting more and more android withdrawal symptoms.
Don't get me wrong, its a very nice phone but for me let down by the OS. WP7 looked like the perfect OS but after a weeks use its just not right for me. I'll list my personal pros and cons:
PROS
•Keyboard is great
•Live tiles are a joy and really set your phone apart from the rest
•Internet Explorer is great
CONS
•Battery life is dreadful
•No flash support
•Lack of C&P
•Wifi connectivity issues, can't use FB without data connection on even with full WiFi lock, same issue with IE and twitter
•Lack of customisation options
•Not really practical, takes too long to get simple things done
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
I know some of the cons will be fixed with updates but I just can't see myself loving this phone like I did my previous one. I'll be phoning Orange tomorrow and hopefully exchanging this for the HTC Desire HD, which my friend has and is an amazing phone.
I might come back to WP7 or WP8 or whatever the update is called, as once the necessary functionality is there coupled with the lovely UI, it'll be and OS to be reckoned with.
Peace WP7 users. I may see you again some day
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I am writing this now on a handset which has really not lived up to all its hype, for me anyway.
I received the Samsung Omnia 7 last Monday, and while it was amazing for the first couple of days, once the novelty factor of the UI wore off I've been getting more and more android withdrawal symptoms.
Don't get me wrong, its a very nice phone but for me let down by the OS. WP7 looked like the perfect OS but after a weeks use its just not right for me. I'll list my personal pros and cons:
PROS
•Keyboard is great
•Live tiles are a joy and really set your phone apart from the rest
•Internet Explorer is great
CONS
•Battery life is dreadful
•No flash support
•Lack of C&P
•Wifi connectivity issues, can't use FB without data connection on even with full WiFi lock, same issue with IE and twitter
•Lack of customisation options
•Not really practical, takes too long to get simple things done
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
I know some of the cons will be fixed with updates but I just can't see myself loving this phone like I did my previous one. I'll be phoning Orange tomorrow and hopefully exchanging this for the HTC Desire HD, which my friend has and is an amazing phone.
I might come back to WP7 or WP8 or whatever the update is called, as once the necessary functionality is there coupled with the lovely UI, it'll be and OS to be reckoned with.
Peace WP7 users. I may see you again some day
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While I still find my HD7 an excellent WP7 phone, and still love WP7, your choice of alternatives is excellent. I'm using DesireHD on my HD2 and it is a sweet build. I love the skin feature. The "Wildflower" skin is one of my favorites followed by "Metal". The hardware looks sweet too.
good luck
especially with DesireHD
but beware of battery of it
it's much more dreadful compare to WP7 phone
Btw im planning on buying a 1500mah battery for the desire HD (fiver from eBay), hopefully the battery life won't be as awful as reviewers make out thanks for your comments
CONS
•Battery life is dreadful
Compared to what? My Samsung Focus gets better battery life than the HTC Fuze it replaced and I do a lot more with it.
•No flash support
It's coming
•Lack of C&P
It's coming
•Wifi connectivity issues, can't use FB without data connection on even with full WiFi lock, same issue with IE and twitter
•Lack of customisation options
What do you want to customize?
•Not really practical, takes too long to get simple things done
Is this a joke? Give examples.
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
Nothing Microsoft can do about pricing and has nothing to do with the platform.
Good luck. I can guarantee you the Desire HD has a worse display, worse battery life and is a lot slower due to HTC's android bloatware. I had one for a few weeks but couldnt stand it.
Anyway, if you like it better, then chances are WP7 isn't for you.
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Btw im planning on buying a 1500mah battery for the desire HD (fiver from eBay), hopefully the battery life won't be as awful as reviewers make out thanks for your comments
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If what the other posters are saying about the DesireHD is true, I highly recommend obtaining an HTC HD2 and using the DesireHD build with it instead of the actual DesireHD. You get all the goodness of DesireHD with better battery life and a better screen. Everything works on it too. Plus, if you get bored, you can make it into any of the other Android phones out which have a build made of them. You also get Nexus S Gingerbread goodness if you want.
The builds in my sig are pretty much perfection.
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•Not really practical, takes too long to get simple things done
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
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I have to say this is surprising. I find getting anything done is faster than any other platform.
There are already over 5000 apps!
Ren13B said:
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
Nothing Microsoft can do about pricing and has nothing to do with the platform.
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that's not entirely true. MS needs to open up the system a bit more by providing a lot more APIs for the different parts of the phone. PIM, Video recording, and Compass are just some examples where there are no current APIs yet, but when introduce open up a whole lot of new possibilities for apps.
And as for games, you need to look at it in terms of age of the game. Acreed is an example where on the iOS it's a lot cheaper, but that's because it's been on the iOS market for 2+ years, and only just entered WP market. Give it 2 years and it will be the same price. probably less time.
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Main screen. I want SPB Pocket plus style contact list, message and calendar right on my main screen without having to need to swipe and flip and tap 45 seconds to get to it.
I want pocket informant style calendar, not WP7 calendar because its not customizable, color coding and tons and tons of other things i could do in PI8 but not WP7 calendar.
I want ringtones customized.
I want many more customization which i dont want to write in detail because it will be 3-4 pages long for me.
Were you even a slight power user of WM?? Than you will have common sense to realize how much customization is lacking in WP7. Their is nothing to tweak in this phone, you have to swallow what they give you.
I am eager to see how much progress is made when the first update hits early next year. Maybe they give some details at CES or MWC.
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Main screen. I want SPB Pocket plus style contact list, message and calendar right on my main screen without having to need to swipe and flip and tap 45 seconds to get to it.
I want pocket informant style calendar, not WP7 calendar because its not customizable, color coding and tons and tons of other things i could do in PI8 but not WP7 calendar.
I want ringtones customized.
I want many more customization which i dont want to write in detail because it will be 3-4 pages long for me.
Were you even a slight power user of WM?? Than you will have common sense to realize how much customization is lacking in WP7. Their is nothing to tweak in this phone, you have to swallow what they give you.
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I wonder how many of us joined here out of necessity because, frankly, stock winmo is crap. we had to tweak and customize it just to use the damn thing. With wp7, the urge to tweak isn't there for me.
I'd rather be watching video on netflix, or slingplayer, or my videos, or playing any of the wp7 games that are 10x better than the winmo counterparts.
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What, you mean the main screen which is infinitely customizable with your own live tiles from any app, arranged how you want them, including websites, contacts, bands, albums, notes and just about anything else you can think of?
I want SPB Pocket plus style contact list, message and calendar right on my main screen without having to need to swipe and flip and tap 45 seconds to get to it.
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Well I'm sure if SPB were to write the apps, the live tiles you want would be made available on your nice customizable main screen. Talk to SPB, not to XDA. And what's this about <i>"need to swipe and flip and tap 45 seconds to get to it"</i>? I have no idea what you're talking about. Your main screen is one contiguous flowing block. Please explain.
I want pocket informant style calendar, not WP7 calendar because its not customizable, color coding and tons and tons of other things i could do in PI8 but not WP7 calendar.
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Again, talk to the app maker. There's no reason why they couldn't make an app that does what you want. Why are you blaming the OS?
I want ringtones customized.
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This is coming in an update but I'm sure you can survive in the meantime - it you *want* to. But I think your mind is already made up *not* to.
I want many more customization which i dont want to write in detail because it will be 3-4 pages long for me.
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Ooh getting a bit vague now, maybe you ran out of stuff.
Were you even a slight power user of WM?? Than you will have common sense to realize how much customization is lacking in WP7. Their is nothing to tweak in this phone, you have to swallow what they give you.
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Personally, I've been a mammoth user of WM for years, and yes I cutomized it a lot, primarily because I had to to get it how I wanted it. Amazingly, WP7 is perfect for me out of the box. I really don't find any great need to customize it beyond installing the apps I want and arranging my tiles how I want them.
It sounds to me like you're addicted to customization for the sake of it, and I'd suggest you get yourself an Android phone which you can tinker with to your heart's content, while the rest of us get on with living our lives to the full.
After all, what could be better than an OS made by an advertising company?
Rofl @ last sentence/question. What an awesome way to end an awesome post. I think I woke up the neighbors, LOL.
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You know why they customized WM? To make it useable. WP7 doesn't need the customization because it is already useful.
The same argument can be applied to Android. Why do OEMs put skins on Android? Well, they think the UX and the UI are lacking, that's why.
Why fix what's not broken?
+1 to what these guys said. The reason customisation is limited is because - in the view of the vast majority of people that purchase a WP7 device - it's perfectly usable as is.
If you want a hobby phone you can flash, root, hardSPL, tweak, skin, tinker and waste literally tens of hours of your time on, an android phone is the way to go.
If you want a powerful smartphone that gets you "in, out and back where you need to be", WP7 is a good bet.
Ren13B said:
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
Nothing Microsoft can do about pricing and has nothing to do with the platform.
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I remember when I first got my G1 and there only like 500 apps on it which might have been an overestimate at that point in time.
Personally, coming from a Tilt2, I found my Focus to be flat-out incredible. Yes, I did spend a lot of time tweaking the old Tilt2, and yes, a good bit of it was recreational and not just out of necessity. However, I would not have been pushed into rom flashing if the stock rom weren't so bad on it. It was a laggy, crashy beast, and required a ton of work to be something that was not embarrassingly slow.
The Focus is, out of the box, incredibly and effortlessly fast. I don't care that I can't tweak more things in it because, frankly, it is so fast at doing everything that a couple extra swipes here or there doesn't bug me. Yes, it really does take the hobby aspect out of my phone. If you want that in your primary device, then Android (or as has been mentioned, an HD2) is the gizmo for you. I'm personally tempted to pick up a Streak, now that the unlocked ones have had a price dip, just to play around with it. However, my WP7 device will remain as my primary phone for my day-to-day usage.
Btw, just checked, facebook works on wifi only with data connection turned off, just checked this on my hd7
I did think about a HD2, but I can only change to what phones I was offered when I initially upgraded, my options were :
-HTC Desire HD
-Samsung Omnia 7 (obviously)
-HTC Mozart
-Samsung galaxy s
-Blackberry Torch
-Nokia N8
I want android, so really its between the desire HD or the galaxy s, But the galaxy s has 2.1 out of the box while the desire HD has 2.2 and sense which I loved on my HTC hero and looks even better on the desire HD. And I want to root and install a custom oc'able kernel to boost the performance.
For me the screen is nicer on the desire HD than it is on my Omnia 7, which may sound wrong but even though the res is the same due to the squareness of the Omnia 7 The pixels seem more visible and the samoled screen is too saturated.
Just an interesting topic that I wanted to discuss (I'm sure there have been similar topics). Please, keep the fanboyism to a minimal.. lets try not to argue too much.
So, it's been about a month since Mango was officially released. After the long wait, was it all it was hyped up to be?
In my opinion, yes.. but mainly no. Now, to start things off I should say I have a Focus and this is my first and only smartphone (have had it since March), but I've used others. So on to the topic. Mango, in my opinion, was a great update and brought many needed features. I'm currently left with a phone that runs great, rarely crashes, has a smooth UI, and just plain does its job well. But having used it now for a month, I practically already forget that I'm running mango. It seems like the exact same phone I've had for the past 6 months. Sure, they added some very nice features, but in my opinion nothing huge that I find myself constantly using.
The multi-tasking I find almost completely useless as it's not real multi-task. As developers need to make use of this rather than the phone itself.. and since WP7 developers are generally not too concerned with us, multi-tasking for now is almost non-existent. The only use I've found for this so far is an alarm app which prior to mango I'd been quite frustrated that I couldn't set an alarm and then actually use my phone. Now I can.. but this is something I only use about once a week anyway.
Then there were many other nice features.. the new search features, some better marketplace integration, facebook integration, voice to text. this was all stuff that i was thrilled to mess around with at first and have some fun with. but now, its all stuff that rarely gets used, and while nice to have, didn't really change my phone. I still feel mango, while incredibly polished, is just too far behind it's competitors.
so yes, my answer is kind of confusing. I have a phone that does what it's supposed to do brilliantly, but I don't know.. it's just kind of boring. maybe it's the lack of a good app marketplace, maybe it's just the kid in me. As of now, I feel like next March when I'm due for a new contract, I'll probably go android or iPhone. Now, this is not because I dislike my phone, but because I don't think any of the 3 are worthy of a continuing contract renewal. It just seems to me like each of the three are pretty deficient in once aspect or another. I think it'll be fun to just hop around and try out a different OS each time I get a new phone rather than be a fanboy and miss out on what others have to offer. I definitely think MS has the best base with their UI, but I think it'll be a few years til they're feature and app rich enough to truly be the all around best.
So, what do you guys think? Is mango still blowing you away, or do you find it like me to be just a few nice feature upgrades?
Also even though it was slightly off topic, how many of you switch to different OS's all the time? Do you find yourself more content that way?
Comparing to wp7.0, Mango is a definitely a huge improvement for me. Comparing to other competitors, it's different enough to be a viable option. It's suppose to be boring and does what it does. I think iOS is equally boring, probably more so with less integration, but it does have more apps (which you have to pay). Android is another matter, but because it's not boring and works on all kinds of hardware, it's also not as polished.
Right now I have 3 instances of the same SMS conversation running in the BG. Yep that is just some very intelligent muti tasking. With the way MS has done multitasking its almost useless. Before you'll know it you'll have sms, settings menu, wifi menu running in the BG. I mean seriously is the OS not wise enough to figure that 3 instances of the same conversations should probably not run at the same time? Very idiotic IMO.
Mango is a huge step forward for me, mainly for the ie9 improvements + the office 365 and skydrive integration
IF they fix the multitasking it will be worth while. But as of right now multitasking is complete garbage on wp7.
No. My android sim is throttled and without my DSL hooked up that has pretty much cemented just how much I use the vibrant over the hd7. There is still too much **** I need the second device for, apps, core is functionality, etc. Stuff like transit navigation is a godsend for me on android, and awol on wp7. I had to navigate a new city with Bing maps. Never again will I put myself in that situation. Battery life is also better o the vibrant, which is becoming increasingly important to me these days, since I'm finding myself away from a power source more and more.
Las night after one hour off the charger my hd7 showed 61% and one hour remaining. All I did was browse the web. No music, videos, games or any of that stuff. This phone fives worse battery life than the worse "4g" android phones out there.
alSo I'm so damn tired of misclicking copy when trying to select a word. Its a huge hit to the time it takes me to compose messages. The keyboard is also buggy and randomly closes down on me while typing, which can lead to misclicks and lost text in apps and web pages.
I really need to sim swap, but I'm way too lazy to uncase these devices at the moment :-(
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N8ter said:
No. My android sim is throttled and without my DSL hooked up that has pretty much cemented just how much I use the vibrant over the hd7. There is still too much **** I need the second device for, apps, core is functionality, etc. Stuff like transit navigation is a godsend for me on android, and awol on wp7. I had to navigate a new city with Bing maps. Never again will I put myself in that situation. Battery life is also better o the vibrant, which is becoming increasingly important to me these days, since I'm finding myself away from a power source more and more.
Las night after one hour off the charger my hd7 showed 61% and one hour remaining. All I did was browse the web. No music, videos, games or any of that stuff. This phone fives worse battery life than the worse "4g" android phones out there.
alSo I'm so damn tired of misclicking copy when trying to select a word. Its a huge hit to the time it takes me to compose messages. The keyboard is also buggy and randomly closes down on me while typing, which can lead to misclicks and lost text in apps and web pages.
I really need to sim swap, but I'm way too lazy to uncase these devices at the moment :-(
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You still havent sold your WP7 yet and gone back to android that works for you?
Anthonok said:
IF they fix the multitasking it will be worth while. But as of right now multitasking is complete garbage on wp7.
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yea I noticed it was useless instantly and its a non feature for me. Its not something I use or think about. Too bad hp couldn't release one full touch 4" WebOS device.
Not only that, but it makes no sense either. Users should be able
• my keyboard just closed down twice •
To exit apps and long press search should be voice command. Long press home to multitask. Long press back to exit an application. Its like they did it differently (and oddly) just to be different.
And they destroyed the contextual search button, which is laughable ad it wad one of wp7'd selling points.
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efjay said:
You still havent sold your WP7 yet and gone back to android that works for you?
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I already have wp7 + android + ios. I'm already on them. No need to go back to anything as I use them all every single day heavily.
And you're a troll.
A bad one at that.
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N8ter said:
I already have wp7 + android + ios. I'm already on them. No need to go back to anything as I use them all every single day heavily.
And you're a troll.
A bad one at that.
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You're the troll, you constantly bash WP7 and continue to post about how you dislike it but refuse to ditch it. Wouldnt the sane thing to do be to just use the other OS's you have and prefer instead of constantly spreading negativity? And not sure about you, but I dont have any specific goals to accomplish regarding being a good or bad troll. Maybe I should buy an android device and go and constantly post in android forums how much I hate it, wait that would be trolling, wouldnt it?
What you did is flame baiting and trolling. Giving critiques that others disagree with is not trolling. Maybe that's hard for you to see. I thought it was obvious?
Only an idiot would spend $500+ on a device to bash it in a forum, but i guess that's your style. Im not going to validate you with any further responses. You aren't worth my time. I've already posted my on topic opinion in this thread.
Lol @ telling me to short sell my devices and stick to a certain one. Really, do you lack common sense or something, or are you just that desperate to see that people only get one side of the coin on this forum (which is stupid, and unfair). I'm still laughing at that part...
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I dont think N8ter is a troll.
He just is not a fanboy, and like me, he uses three differente platforms, so he knows the good and bad of each one.
The bad, worse, the fatal flaw of WP7 for ME (I'm saying my OPINION), it the Multitask. Please, someone slap Belfiore in the face. I'm too far away, otherwise I would do it myself.
What kind of SMARTPHONE that limits the multitask for the last 5 instances lets the system take 3 of those instances to show the same app? "Oh, you could use the back button and close it". So I will have to control every app I open and close? That's not smart.
Worse than that, you have to reload the app each notification you have. Even if the app is in your memory. Oh, yeah! Everybody LOVES waiting. Especially with iOS and Android instant resuming EVERY app.
WP7 is not a system where you can chat with your friends if not by FB and MSN.
"So stop whining and buy an Android/iPhone." Yes, I could do that. But I sould my Nexus S and my iPhone 4 when I had the three, to stay with WP7. I love it. Like to use more than iPhone and even more than Android.
But it could be better, and that's why I'm whining. That non sense multitask makes me mad. And I'm really hoping MS fix that, because it's the best OS out there.
Yeah, I'm thinking Mango was more important for MS and potential customers than user current users. It definitely created a huge buzz for Windows phones and the more polished features make it more attractive for potential customers. But I really don't think it was worth all the obsessive update checking that I (and thousands of others) were doing for weeks leading up to the release.
And it's good to see that there are some non-fanboys here who can give honest criticisms but still use the device as well as others.
just out of curiousity, those of you who use multiple devices.. is it for separate personal/business or just separate plans so you can take advantage of the different OS's?
For me the best thing about Mango is that it finally fixed 3rd party notifications so now my tiles are live and are not just giant icons.
I don't use fb chat/msn because my battery can't take it for too long, twitter integration isn't as good as using a dedicated app, I rarely multitask because many developers haven't updated their apps yet and I'm used to hitting back to get out an app.
So in a nutshell I would answer no as the notification issue should/could have been fixed in a small update. Most importantly, Mango should really be about all these apps that where not possible before and here is the amazing list of worthy apps I downloaded thanks to Mango:
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For me the best thing about Mango is that it finally fixed 3rd party notifications so now my tiles are live and are not just giant icons.
I don't use fb chat/msn because my battery can't take it for too long, twitter integration isn't as good as using a dedicated app, I rarely multitask because many developers haven't updated their apps yet and I'm used to hitting back to get out an app.
So in a nutshell I would answer no as the notification issue should/could have been fixed in a small update. Most importantly, Mango should really be about all these apps that where not possible before and here is the amazing list of worthy apps I downloaded thanks to Mango:
- WhatsApp
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I hear a lot about WhatApp now that we have mango. what's so good about it? To me it just looks like a messaging app, but why not just use standard texting?
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I hear a lot about WhatApp now that we have mango. what's so good about it? To me it just looks like a messaging app, but why not just use standard texting?
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Hum... because it's free
Particularly great to message people abroad (text as well as picture messaging).
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Hum... because it's free
Particularly great to message people abroad (text as well as picture messaging).
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It's just free in the first year. Afterwards it's €1.99 per year. Which is almost nothing, at least in comparison to SMS.
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Hum... because it's free
Particularly great to message people abroad (text as well as picture messaging).
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It's just free in the first year. Afterwards it's €1.99 per year. Which is almost nothing, at least in comparison to SMS.
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gotcha. just downloaded it but it told me that none of my contacts have it. so its useless to me. plus it uses my data connection, which I have limited. So this doesn't appear to really benefit me. Oh well, interesting idea though.
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What kind of SMARTPHONE that limits the multitask for the last 5 instances lets the system take 3 of those instances to show the same app? "Oh, you could use the back button and close it". So I will have to control every app I open and close? That's not smart.
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This is the one thing about mango that annoys me the most. I hate when i go into multitasking to go back into kik messenger only to find it has been knocked out by 4 pages of text messages lol.
Most people here have unlimited SMS and mms. Board express ate my longer post. I'm pissed.
Always, the thing that makes WhatsApp good is free chat and file transfer over data connections like WiFi. Its a boon for people who travel internationally.
I actually like Samsung ChatOn better than WhatsApp. I don't use WhatsApp because they charge iOS .99 and that's it, but want other platforms to pay a subscription. It just isn't fair
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couple things i'm concerned with
i use talk with all of my friends and my wife, is there a talk app for wp7?
how is the navigation?
thinking of getting the focus s
how bad is the transition from android to wp7?
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couple things i'm concerned with
i use talk with all of my friends and my wife, is there a talk app for wp7?
how is the navigation?
thinking of getting the focus s
how bad is the transition from android to wp7?
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yes there are a few google talk apps!
The nav isn't great but there are alternative apps that are good.
I personally love it, I remember you from the x10 forums.
Switching for me has been a great experience.
Never any lag, and a nice coherent fluid experience throughout the whole os.
Try to get a focus 1.3, win7.5 is out for that currently. The win.5 is smooth and more easy to use than android
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what is a focus 1.3?
svtfmook said:
couple things i'm concerned with
i use talk with all of my friends and my wife, is there a talk app for wp7?
how is the navigation?
thinking of getting the focus s
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There's GChat. The OEM nav is excellent but you have to tap the screen to progress through the voice notifications. The best way to use the Nav is through the search function rather than through the nav app.
I'd say go for it. It's an excellent system. Just don't expect much customization...actually expect a better, more refined iPhone experience.
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There's GChat. The OEM nav is excellent but you have to tap the screen to progress through the voice notifications. The best way to use the Nav is through the search function rather than through the nav app.
I'd say go for it. It's an excellent system. Just don't expect much customization...actually expect a better, more refined iPhone experience.
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though dev unlocking does help with customization quite a bit as homebrew has workarounds.
The os really is a work of art imo.
Gchat doesn't compare to Messenger on Android. None of the workarounds come close to Androids native apps.
If you're used to the Google ecosystem, you'll absolutely hate this OS. If not, then you may enjoy this OS.
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Gchat doesn't compare to Messenger on Android. None of the workarounds come close to Androids native apps.
If you're used to the Google ecosystem, you'll absolutely hate this OS. If not, then you may enjoy this OS.
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I used android for two years and love it...
Why do you seem to hate it so much but use it?
I actually find the social integration and overall experience much better than android, and worth the trade off of constantly being able to flash roms and change launchers
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Gchat doesn't compare to Messenger on Android. None of the workarounds come close to Androids native apps.
If you're used to the Google ecosystem, you'll absolutely hate this OS. If not, then you may enjoy this OS.
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this is one of the more well-known trolls in the wp7 fora. Don't expect much positivity from this end.
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this is one of the more well-known trolls in the wp7 fora. Don't expect much positivity from this end.
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i just don't get why if him and n8ter hate it so much, they dont just get different phones?
Trade or something lol instead of spending all day complaining about it on here
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what is a focus 1.3?
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Its in reference to the REV # (on the ORIGINAL Focus phones), which is seen on a sticker under the battery. Rev 1.3 was the main shipment, but Samsung for some reason changed the chips for Rev 1.4 and that batch caused all sorts of mayhem with updates due to differing firmware needed.
However, Rev 1.4 phones are also now receiving Mango so I wouldn't worry much about it.
*edit* Since you stated you wanted the Focus S, this isn't an issue
As far as moving from Android to WP, I made the move back in Feb and will never look back. There are a few things it still needs, but its barely a year old and Mango brought 90% of what I need, into a vastly superior UI experience and stable platform with what is to me, a much larger potential for greatness than the others. The next year is going to be pretty exciting for both WP and Win8 and I expect it to grow pretty well over the next 12 months.
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Its in reference to the REV #, which is seen on a sticker under the battery. Rev 1.3 was the main shipment, but Samsung for some reason changed the chips for Rev 1.4 and that batch caused all sorts of mayhem with updates due to differing firmware needed.
However, Rev 1.4 phones are also now receiving Mango so I wouldn't worry much about it. Although, if you can avoid getting one it would be beneficial for who knows what the next update will be like for these.
I bought 4 used Focus phones and none were 1.4. All from ebay. It was a smaller batch of phones so chances are you will not get one.
As far as moving from Android to WP, I made the move back in Feb and will never look back. There are a few things it still needs, but its barely a year old and Mango brought 90% of what I need, into a vastly superior UI experience and stable platform with what is to me, a much larger potential for greatness than the others. The next year is going to be pretty exciting for both WP and Win8 and I expect it to grow pretty well over the next 12 months.
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he's looking at the focus s though...
Not an original focus
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
vetvito said:
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
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Glad you could get your thoughts out 0_0
vetvito said:
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
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no trolling equals hating an os but spending all day on a forum talking about it..
It makes no sense..
The os is good, you're just a douche troll
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he's looking at the focus s though...
Not an original focus
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Whoops..missed that. Still relevant to his question though
vetvito said:
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
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Better return your phone then as you must have a hardware issue. no lag here on my htc surround which is a 1st generation phone. The email is awesome and has none of the lag that the 3 android phones that peeps use at my work have.
as for the cursor, hold your finger, it appears, move it. how hard is that?
Anyway if you want a consistant phone that never needs rebooting and is very stable, windows phone is for you. There isn't as much customization as android, but there doesn't have to be. The apps from the marketplace are top notch and all have free trials so you can try before you buy.
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no trolling equals hating an os but spending all day on a forum talking about it..
It makes no sense..
The os is good, you're just a douche troll
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cool story bro. Would've understood you better without that thing in your mouth.
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Better return your phone then as you must have a hardware issue. no lag here on my htc surround which is a 1st generation phone. The email is awesome and has none of the lag that the 3 android phones that peeps use at my work have.
as for the cursor, hold your finger, it appears, move it. how hard is that?
Anyway if you want a consistant phone that never needs rebooting and is very stable, windows phone is for you. There isn't as much customization as android, but there doesn't have to be. The apps from the marketplace are top notch and all have free trials so you can try before you buy.
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open Fuse and tell me it doesn't lag. Open BE and tell me it doesn't lag, hell tell me a third party app that doesn't lag.
Hold my finger and it selects the whole word. Need a cursor marker like smartphones should have.
scoobysnacks said:
I used android for two years and love it...
Why do you seem to hate it so much but use it?
I actually find the social integration and overall experience much better than android, and worth the trade off of constantly being able to flash roms and change launchers
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You said a lot there. The social integration and especially the IM function is second to none. I find WP7's messaging function much more convenient and just as easy to use, and just as useful, as Google's Talk. But FB account is needed to make it this way, for anyone interested.
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cool story bro. Would've understood you better without that thing in your mouth.
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open Fuse and tell me it doesn't lag. Open BE and tell me it doesn't lag, hell tell me a third party app that doesn't lag.
Hold my finger and it selects the whole word. Need a cursor marker like smartphones should have.
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none of my apps lag..
What? If you tap it selects the word. If you hold the cursor marker comes up LOL
Smh
I have no problems with Gingerbread. So why are we going through all the headache of leaked ICS builds when Gingerbread works so well? I guess what my question is...
What makes ICS better then Gingerbread?
Its newer and has more features, and I get joy out of having a higher os than some of my other android buddies
Why not ICS
Why not? Many of us here are not here for stable stock builds or anything. Many of us are tinkerer's.
Ive pretty much had no issue with FC07 through FC22, they're all daily drivable for me GPS works without a glitch. All my apps are restored in a couple of minutes of flashing over a tar and my contacts messages and call logs in seconds.
My only issue is keeping my signature up to date, its out of date already
This article does a pretty good comparison..
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-2-3-gingerbread-vs-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-37742/
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Why not? Many of us here are not here for stable stock builds or anything. Many of us are tinkerer's.
Ive pretty much had no issue with FC07 through FC22, they're all daily drivable for me GPS works without a glitch. All my apps are restored in a couple of minutes of flashing over a tar and my contacts messages and call logs in seconds.
My only issue is keeping my signature up to date, its out of date already
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Ha ha same here, I finally just chose to put it as the rom I flash to before I feel I wanna flash something ICS again.
I hear this a lot and can't comprehend the question. Google the differences for yourself. It's not hard.
Also, sorry to disappoint you, but the Gingerbread build wasn't perfect either. For one thing, A2DP was severely broken and not fixed by Samsung until the ICS update. That alone is worth it for me even if I pretend ICS isn't.
I thought that one of the main reasons to upgrade was that gingerbread builds didn't have the capability to utilize dual core+ hardware, where as ice cream sandwich does.
Just one of the many, anyway.
Because latest and greatest is what XDA is all about
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I prefer ics, but I need a ROM that will last me all day. So, when the battery improves I will use it
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I love all the new transition and animations that make the new build feel more polished
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I prefer ICS, getting better battery life out of it.
GB is windows xp and ICS is windows 7, almost identical features but smoother with more eye candy. Surprising stable ics is supposed to be better on battery life as well.
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I am a tinkerer.
I have been logging on to XDA for almost a year now. I didn't join for a long time because I thought there are just to many flamers here. I don't think there are as many as there used to be but they are still there. Stop it. gosh.
I think this is a very good question. I for one don't want what's newest. I want what's best! I have a phone (E4GT) that is out of this world. It lets me do things I couldn't only 3 years ago. For some of you that may have been since Sept 28, 2008 when Android came out. Bravo to you for having it first. I am a very patient person and I want something that is extremely usable and fun. I think ICS is purdy looking for now and in time it will be everything it is now hyped up to be - until Jelly Bean comes out- then ICS will be what GB is now.
The problem I have with it at this point is the time line or transition for Apps. I am not saying that ICS is not better than GB. I am saying that the Apps need to be there for me to see a reason to upgrade. The Apps I mostly need/want at this point are Google Chrome and TSF Shell.
I have been playing with ICS with my old "EVO 4G" and from a user point I just don't see what the hype is about yet. Android Beam would be nice if I had NFC so I have to wait till my next round of an upgrade for that (whoo Hoo 2013 for all of this and LTE).
With that being said, Chrome is my other dilemma in that I want it, but I don't at the same time. With Chrome having no Flash support, it will be a great Web browser with no umph if I am viewing a Flash website. Yes, yes, I can always switch to ICS's default browser, but why should I have to do all that to look at one page. But the option of logging into chrome and having my web page open on my laptop from my phone is stupendous.
As far as TSF Shell goes- this is why I want it: It allows me to have 4 screens with 6 to 10 folders and/or widgets [while the folders are renamable containing 8-16 Apps] This gives me the option to have close to 120 {maybe less or more as I am averaging here} Apps per screen while keeping it all organized for easy selection, and the collapsible App Drawer for making phone,messaging, internet, setting and whatever else I want to add. I paid for it ($17) and I absolutely love it. I do have a few minor complaints, but it has made me happier than all the other Launchers have.
I realize these two things may not be for everyone but what it makes me question is what other Apps are still not available for ICS. ICS has gotten way better with the releases of the leaks!
I do love the picture taking options but I think there is an APK for this. Face unlock sounds wonderful but isn't worth my entire experience for that 1 function.
And well, Roboto. Yeah. I like customizing my font to what I want. So thumbs down to that too.
Multitasking - now there is a solid argument. How well does this work on the E4GT? I am asking you flashoholics out there on the interweb. Does it utilize the dual core+ better or we just gonna talk about the whole numbers thing? I want you to give your opinion about your actual experience not a chart or benchmark. Does it feel faster during multitasking or not compared to GB? I can look up the numbers but to me it doesn't mean diddly if the experience has some kind of flaw.
A2DP works just fine on Gingerbread now (at least for me as I use it everyday). I googled it. I could say some pretty nasty things to your post but instead I will just say there are many types of people on XDA and you could have at least posted what you do like in your opinion over what you didn't like instead of making this a sarcastic remark place. The OP here is just trying to make a choice or get a feel for why ICS is so good. Each one of us has a different phone- even if it is the same phone... and even if it has the same hardware- the software has been known to react differently (this is a known fact). Each one of us has a different Opinion also. So be nice or don't say anything at all.
AND Quit smacking others in the nuts for comments or asking questions.
As soon as I am tired of TSF Shell, I am sure I will be on the ICS bandwagon. But for now I am loving all the upgrades GB has as it is fine tuned.
"For now" may change today or tomorrow or next year. Actually I mentioned it earlier. My opinion is this- upgrade your phone when you know you can get at least 50% more "Function" out of a new phone/software. With the cost of these phones it is worth every penny to wait and be patient. Also I am not a fan of buying into something that has flaws to a point that I have to deal with it until a upgrade comes out. Unless you have the option of upgrading family phones all you want to get new phones all the time. To you sirs, I am jealous. You guys are rich. For you that have money, not so jealous. You just have money. blah blah blah
Now I am going to go put a little work into the garage on my project of putting an Infiniti AC/Heater system in my 68 Mustang. Because I am a tinkerer.
Ah and last but not least, to ICS or not to ICS- that is the question.
Its faster and more refined. There are updates to browser, email, gmail, launcher, app drawer, various menus, and apps that ran fine before seem faster.
Meh
Dealing with GPS probs, notification loss and battery issues aren't really worth it if you need your phone for professional reasons. But, I have found that the more recent builds and modems are pretty good, so I have been using them. Voice search is a TON better in ICS. That is enough for me. Just don't restore GB data to your ICS ROM, and you should be pretty stable. Also, the GPS trick works pretty well too.
At this point I would love a stripped down gingerbread at his point.
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Dealing with GPS probs, notification loss and battery issues aren't really worth it if you need your phone for professional reasons. But, I have found that the more recent builds and modems are pretty good, so I have been using them. Voice search is a TON better in ICS. That is enough for me. Just don't restore GB data to your ICS ROM, and you should be pretty stable. Also, the GPS trick works pretty well too.
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Kind of a buyer beware thing. I always get a good laugh at people that install a leak, then say things like, " I need this feature to work so I won't use your rom" (almost always refering to a known issue that is pointed out in the OP) If you need all of your phones functions to work ... don't use a leaked build! lol There is a reason it's not an official build released to the masses. It's not done yet! Not directed at you, or even your post, just reminded me of the many posts I've seen regarding leaks, betas and alphas.
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At this point I would love a stripped down gingerbread at his point.
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Closest thing you'll get to that is the CM7 bubby thingamabob. No one else is going to do anything for Gingerbread anymore because everyone's infatuated with ICS.
jpkelly05 said:
I am a tinkerer.
I have been logging on to XDA for almost a year now. I didn't join for a long time because I thought there are just to many flamers here. I don't think there are as many as there used to be but they are still there. Stop it. gosh.
I think this is a very good question. I for one don't want what's newest. I want what's best! I have a phone (E4GT) that is out of this world. It lets me do things I couldn't only 3 years ago. For some of you that may have been since Sept 28, 2008 when Android came out. Bravo to you for having it first. I am a very patient person and I want something that is extremely usable and fun. I think ICS is purdy looking for now and in time it will be everything it is now hyped up to be - until Jelly Bean comes out- then ICS will be what GB is now.
The problem I have with it at this point is the time line or transition for Apps. I am not saying that ICS is not better than GB. I am saying that the Apps need to be there for me to see a reason to upgrade. The Apps I mostly need/want at this point are Google Chrome and TSF Shell.
I have been playing with ICS with my old "EVO 4G" and from a user point I just don't see what the hype is about yet. Android Beam would be nice if I had NFC so I have to wait till my next round of an upgrade for that (whoo Hoo 2013 for all of this and LTE).
With that being said, Chrome is my other dilemma in that I want it, but I don't at the same time. With Chrome having no Flash support, it will be a great Web browser with no umph if I am viewing a Flash website. Yes, yes, I can always switch to ICS's default browser, but why should I have to do all that to look at one page. But the option of logging into chrome and having my web page open on my laptop from my phone is stupendous.
As far as TSF Shell goes- this is why I want it: It allows me to have 4 screens with 6 to 10 folders and/or widgets [while the folders are renamable containing 8-16 Apps] This gives me the option to have close to 120 {maybe less or more as I am averaging here} Apps per screen while keeping it all organized for easy selection, and the collapsible App Drawer for making phone,messaging, internet, setting and whatever else I want to add. I paid for it ($17) and I absolutely love it. I do have a few minor complaints, but it has made me happier than all the other Launchers have.
I realize these two things may not be for everyone but what it makes me question is what other Apps are still not available for ICS. ICS has gotten way better with the releases of the leaks!
I do love the picture taking options but I think there is an APK for this. Face unlock sounds wonderful but isn't worth my entire experience for that 1 function.
And well, Roboto. Yeah. I like customizing my font to what I want. So thumbs down to that too.
Multitasking - now there is a solid argument. How well does this work on the E4GT? I am asking you flashoholics out there on the interweb. Does it utilize the dual core+ better or we just gonna talk about the whole numbers thing? I want you to give your opinion about your actual experience not a chart or benchmark. Does it feel faster during multitasking or not compared to GB? I can look up the numbers but to me it doesn't mean diddly if the experience has some kind of flaw.
A2DP works just fine on Gingerbread now (at least for me as I use it everyday). I googled it. I could say some pretty nasty things to your post but instead I will just say there are many types of people on XDA and you could have at least posted what you do like in your opinion over what you didn't like instead of making this a sarcastic remark place. The OP here is just trying to make a choice or get a feel for why ICS is so good. Each one of us has a different phone- even if it is the same phone... and even if it has the same hardware- the software has been known to react differently (this is a known fact). Each one of us has a different Opinion also. So be nice or don't say anything at all.
AND Quit smacking others in the nuts for comments or asking questions.
As soon as I am tired of TSF Shell, I am sure I will be on the ICS bandwagon. But for now I am loving all the upgrades GB has as it is fine tuned.
"For now" may change today or tomorrow or next year. Actually I mentioned it earlier. My opinion is this- upgrade your phone when you know you can get at least 50% more "Function" out of a new phone/software. With the cost of these phones it is worth every penny to wait and be patient. Also I am not a fan of buying into something that has flaws to a point that I have to deal with it until a upgrade comes out. Unless you have the option of upgrading family phones all you want to get new phones all the time. To you sirs, I am jealous. You guys are rich. For you that have money, not so jealous. You just have money. blah blah blah
Now I am going to go put a little work into the garage on my project of putting an Infiniti AC/Heater system in my 68 Mustang. Because I am a tinkerer.
Ah and last but not least, to ICS or not to ICS- that is the question.
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I am using TSF Shell fine on fc22 build and chrome is still on beta.
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So I was reading reddit when someone pointed out how laggy/buggy Nova was... I too noticed this but thought it was related to the Pixel 6 Pro poor thermal management and throttling of the CPU. However, upon reading their analysis that they tried other launchers with great success + given the fact that I no longer suffer from overheating issues (on Android 13 since yesterday), I looked further into this.
Apparently the beta 8.x version of Nova Launcher seems to support Android 12 and 13. However, the play store has a 9 month old beta version that is 3 versions behind and still stuck in the 7.x apks.
If you want to update your Nova Launcher and make the pixel 6 pro buttery smooth, you might want to consider downloading the most recent beta version from their website: https://novalauncher.com/beta
Not having any problems with Nova 7.x on my P6P, or, any other devices I have (Samsung/OnePlus/ Nokia) & to the best of my memory, never have, at least as far as smoothness/etc.
I'm guessing a lot of people are hesitant to "upgrade" to Nova 8.0,count me in that group :
Nova Launcher has been acquired by analytics company Branch
Hopefully, this isn’t the end of an era for Android launchers
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KOLIOSIS said:
Not having any problems with Nova 7.x on my P6P, or, any other devices I have (Samsung/OnePlus/ Nokia) & to the best of my memory, never have, at least as far as smoothness/etc.
I'm guessing a lot of people are hesitant to "upgrade" to Nova 8.0,count me in that group :
Nova Launcher has been acquired by analytics company Branch
Hopefully, this isn’t the end of an era for Android launchers
www.androidpolice.com
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I saw that a few week ago too. But the beta has an opt-in, rather than opt-out approach.
That said, if you are experiencing buttery smooth effects, no gesture issues, no intermittent blank home screens, etc, then there is no need to update. This post was made to help others who experienced the same thing as me.
Up until yesterday/today, my pixel experience had been subpar. But with the new Nova Launcher and Android 13, I have no complaints.
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I saw that a few week ago too. But the beta has an opt-in, rather than opt-out approach.
That said, if you are experiencing buttery smooth effects, no gesture issues, no intermittent blank home screens, etc, then there is no need to update. This post was made to help others who experienced the same thing as me.
Up until yesterday/today, my pixel experience had been subpar. But with the new Nova Launcher and Android 13, I have no complaints.
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I saw that as well (the opt-in on the analytics).
Perhaps needlessly & unwarrantedly so, I'm still leery of updating.
The best move they made was when they partnered with Razer, how cool that was to have Nova as the stock Launcher (nice phone).
Whenever Nova 7.x becomes incompatible, I might start looking around for a different Launcher.... If for no other reason, just to see what is out there.
I wouldn't touch Nova with a 10 foot pole after their buyout. No way in hell I trust the new company with my data.
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I don't believe that, I've heard that from so many people and companies and it always turns out to be a lie.
FWIW, the last version of Nova that doesn't have the Branch Analytics code is 8.0.1
Nova 8.0.2 & above is the 1st version published w/Branch Analytics.
So they say. They can always collect your data on the back end.
After I read about this it took about 5 minutes to delete Nova Launcher from all my Android Devices. Sad but necessary.
I'll keep using the last version of 7.x until I just have to change launchers due to incompatibility/bugs with new Android versions, or Nova miraculously extricates themselves from Branch. I was reasonably calm at first, although I did tell Kevin and company that I would be keeping Nova from updating for the next year and see what things are like at that time.
As these couple of weeks have passed, I feel angrier and angrier that Kevin sold it, and it really doesn't have much bearing that Kevin and company are still primary developers on it. That's very common with any sale such as this, and doesn't mean anything. In this day and age, they should've known better - that no matter how innocent they were convinced the transaction was, that it is likely a Nova-killer.
As these couple of weeks have passed, I feel angrier and angrier that Kevin sold it, and it really doesn't have much bearing that Kevin and company are still primary developers on it. That's very common with any sale such as this, and doesn't mean anything. In this day and age, they should've known better - that no matter how innocent they were convinced the transaction was, that it is likely a Nova-killer.
I'm not going to do anything rash like changing my Play Store's 5-star review to 1-star - yet. Nova was the premier Launcher for so long, I still feel Kevin and company deserve some benefit of the doubt. I don't believe there was any bad intention. I'm sure they spent a long time judging if this was the right move, but I think they convinced themselves that it was the right move when we as users largely know how bad it looks and how many times we users have been burned in the past from similar actions.
The reason I am so angry is that I love Nova so much. I was passionate about it and I recommended it to everyone. Now I'm sad that I cannot in good conscience do so anymore. Although it is too early to tell, and I won't be using v8 myself so I'll be going by other folks' reports, unless something changes in the next year or two, I feel that I'll have no choice but to migrate to another launcher, and I am not one to hop between launchers.
I'm not happy either with the Branch acquisition but I'll keep using Nova. I don't see any launcher offering so many options. Until I find one I guess?
I've blocked the call to the Branch API anyway so no data will be going to them from my devices.
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I'm not happy either with the Branch acquisition but I'll keep using Nova. I don't see any launcher offering so many options. Until I find one I guess?
I've blocked the call to the Branch API anyway so no data will be going to them from my devices.
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How did you block the API? I agree, there are no good alternative to Nova, I have looked around and have been under impressed by other launchers.
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How did you block the API? I agree, there are no good alternative to Nova, I have looked around and have been under impressed by other launchers.
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I'm using Personal DNS Filter to block ads systemwide. Just add api2.branch.io to your block list. And boom, no more telemetry!
roirraW edor ehT said:
I'll keep using the last version of 7.x until I just have to change launchers due to incompatibility/bugs with new Android versions, or Nova miraculously extricates themselves from Branch. I was reasonably calm at first, although I did tell Kevin and company that I would be keeping Nova from updating for the next year and see what things are like at that time.
As these couple of weeks have passed, I feel angrier and angrier that Kevin sold it, and it really doesn't have much bearing that Kevin and company are still primary developers on it. That's very common with any sale such as this, and doesn't mean anything. In this day and age, they should've known better - that no matter how innocent they were convinced the transaction was, that it is likely a Nova-killer.
As these couple of weeks have passed, I feel angrier and angrier that Kevin sold it, and it really doesn't have much bearing that Kevin and company are still primary developers on it. That's very common with any sale such as this, and doesn't mean anything. In this day and age, they should've known better - that no matter how innocent they were convinced the transaction was, that it is likely a Nova-killer.
I'm not going to do anything rash like changing my Play Store's 5-star review to 1-star - yet. Nova was the premier Launcher for so long, I still feel Kevin and company deserve some benefit of the doubt. I don't believe there was any bad intention. I'm sure they spent a long time judging if this was the right move, but I think they convinced themselves that it was the right move when we as users largely know how bad it looks and how many times we users have been burned in the past from similar actions.
The reason I am so angry is that I love Nova so much. I was passionate about it and I recommended it to everyone. Now I'm sad that I cannot in good conscience do so anymore. Although it is too early to tell, and I won't be using v8 myself so I'll be going by other folks' reports, unless something changes in the next year or two, I feel that I'll have no choice but to migrate to another launcher, and I am not one to hop between launchers.
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In general, I agree w/your sentiments.
However, I don't begrudge them on what they've done (basically, selling the app to Branch Analytics).
I'm sure the devs didn't make a rash decision & yes, in the end, I'm sure $$$ was a major consideration. In that regard alone, good for them.
Guessing you went Pro w/this app a long time ago (I did) & guessing a lot of other people did as well, whether they paid full price or, got it on the seemingly annual sale price ($1.00 or so).
Either way, I've more than got my money's worth & it's been a good ride.
No bitterness towards the devs at all, but, I'd be lying to say I am looking forward to finding another launcher.
It'll probably be years before 8.0.1 & lower are unusable, so, until then, gonna keep on keeping on.
I've tried countless launchers dating back to Android 2.1 (Eclair).
IIRC, my 1st go-to was Launcher Pro (the Nova of its time, IMHO)
After that, Apex & Holo Launchers (also a seemingly lifetime ago).
Been on Nova ever since, gonna be a strange day, to say the least, when another launcher becomes my DD.
KOLIOSIS said:
In general, I agree w/your sentiments.
However, I don't begrudge them on what they've done (basically, selling the app to Branch Analytics).
I'm sure the devs didn't make a rash decision & yes, in the end, I'm sure $$$ was a major consideration. In that regard alone, good for them.
Guessing you went Pro w/this app a long time ago (I did) & guessing a lot of other people did as well, whether they paid full price or, got it on the seemingly annual sale price ($1.00 or so).
Either way, I've more than got my money's worth & it's been a good ride.
No bitterness towards the devs at all, but, I'd be lying to say I am looking forward to finding another launcher.
It'll probably be years before 8.0.1 & lower are unusable, so, until then, gonna keep on keeping on.
I've tried countless launchers dating back to Android 2.1 (Eclair).
IIRC, my 1st go-to was Launcher Pro (the Nova of its time, IMHO)
After that, Apex & Holo Launchers (also a seemingly lifetime ago).
Been on Nova ever since, gonna be a strange day, to say the least, when another launcher becomes my DD.
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Maaaannnnnn I missed Launcher Pro for the longest time. What ever happened to Federico? It's like he vanished.