Which rom? No sense - Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi, please don't shout at me, I've tried a search but Tapatalk is utter useless!
I'm looking for a new rom, this time one without sense. Which kind is the fastest/most stable?
I'm not asking for a rom itself, but more of the type of rom, cm/aokp/aosp etc (are those abbreviations right?)
Thanks
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I hate sense.
Been using BlackIce for months and find it quite good.
ICS roms not good for me, for now.
Try BlackIce. It's one of the best.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1298283
Or Cyanogenmod 7.2
http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?type=stable&device=ace
Both are AOSP (Android Open Source Project) roms. No sense, no flashy visual effects, just speed. Perfect.

I agree with joooe. BlackIce is the best and most stable. I would never use sense.

Absolution in the inspire thread is wicked good too.
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To be honest I like sense because it's 'pretty', but started to notice bits and pieces lag.
The two rooms mentioned above, are they on ics? Camera issues?
Sorry for the questions, I'll be back on pc later
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BlackIce and Absolution are not ICS, which means camera works fine and they are both very stable.

With BlackICe I have 400 mb free mem at booting. Sense takes like 300 mb! No wonder it lags.
mushtafa said:
To be honest I like sense because it's 'pretty', but started to notice bits and pieces lag.
The two rooms mentioned above, are they on ics? Camera issues?
Sorry for the questions, I'll be back on pc later
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you can try IceColdSandwich - 8.4 - AOKP which is quite stable for daily use for ICS rom...
if you want to try on JB, you can try this Jellytime which is still in beta and testing...

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Which is the best rom for HTC Desire?

Which custom rom is stable?
(any recommendation)
Fail.
Am I blind, is my Tapatalk broken, or did he open two same threads whose meaning is beyond any rational level of stupidity?
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am trying delete 1 but donno know how
You cannot do that, only moderators.
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YATARR
yet another thread about rom recommendation
lol, theres loads
personally, i'd say the one i'm running with launcher7- see sig.
well imagine EVERYBODY could cut & paste this reply. what is your favorite colour? i like red but it's not blue enough for some. better just try a few & see what takes yr fancy
The most stable imo is GingerVillian, it's a stock Gingerbread ROM with latest Google Market.
Runnymede AIO all the way for me, it is a brilliant rom.
Lol, I don't know who's moar funny here, trolls or those who spoon feed morons again, and again and again out of some false courtesy and thinking they are helpful....
If you want an AOSP rom try CyanogenMod 7, it's fast and stable. If you're searching for a Sense rom I think Runnymede AIO is the best at the moment
I wanted to know what are the best roms too but then i realized that i would have to try it out.
It really depends on you, do you want Sense or stock design, usability or speed...
I can really recommend you Redux or Oxygen, both are fast and both have propably everything what you need.
But it is my taste, i don't really like sense roms for example...
imo the best is not created yet
at the moment i have CoolSense 3.0 Aces v6 Bravo (it is so fast and stable), before i had LeeDroid 2.5 (stable, but no so fast, good battery life) and good factory stock rom
It's a hard question
I've tried cyano but i want lo have sense so i put InsertCoin.
Then i tried gingerbread with Aurora and now I have runnymede.
The last two is very good rom.I prefer the first because it's more easy but if u want a complete rom, use runnymede.
Oxygen is the most stable custom rom on desire imo. Its essentially hack free with a great kernel.
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Look at similar thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443408
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The best stable rom for the desire = cm7 . In my opinion
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i stick to the official..way better than anything else!
I used to enjoy the stock roms, but found that sense was terrible. I, personally, would go for the latest Oxygen release for stability. I'm currently using Sandvold's ICS rom and enjoying it, but it isn't without it's bugs currently.
sadisticveneer said:
I used to enjoy the stock roms, but found that sense was terrible. I, personally, would go for the latest Oxygen release for stability. I'm currently using Sandvold's ICS rom and enjoying it, but it isn't without it's bugs currently.
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Sense is terrible in what way exactly?!

Looking for new rom

Hi
I am new to rooting to my phone and would like to know if any roms that supports traditional Chinese and Korean?
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I guess that the MIUI ROMS support that...considering they are made by devs who are originated in china and all.
You can find the version for our phone in their site here
Hope it helps.
Edit: I don't know if it supports korean. Also MIUI is fairly heavy on the phone. If I find myself some time and no-one has already replied, I might be able to look it up.
Thanks for the reply, is there a leedroid Rom for the HTC Desire Z?
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I'm not aware of Leedroid for Desire Z. However, if you do not require a chinese UI, only the ability to read and write Chinese, then any ROM will have this ability.
For input you may need to supplement it with the likes of multilang keyboard for chinese input, if you choose to go with a non-sense RoM. Many sense ROMs will have the HTC chinese input method intact.
If you are a Mandarin speaker I'd suggest Google PinYin method anyways since its one of the best, and supports both tradition and simplified chinese.
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MIUI has been made by japanese third-party devs. also i like RCMIX3D 4.0 ROM. and i thought that it also supports chinese and japanese.android 2.3.5 sense 3.5 download: http://uploading.com/files/7c69c9c7/RCMix3D_v4.0.zip/
I am in favor of the MIUI..great interface, stable and great performance.
Just regarding about overclocking the processor, would some of the time include the application to do this? I don't really need the Chinese input. I would maybe go and try out a few different roms as I have just downgraded to 2.2 and rooted the phone.
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You might try Andromadus if you're looking for bleeding edge. So far, its the smoothest and most capable ice cream sandwich build available. You can find it under the desire z/g2 rom development section, and I'll edit this post to include a link later. Or if you prefer a more stable, established rom try CyanogenMod 7.1 from CyanogenMod.com. both will support Chinese among other default languages, and are both far more capable than the stock sense rom and both include OC as well. Hope this helps..
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Hi all,
I'm back and would like your input on good roms. I have been using Virtuous Quattro RC3 for sometime but I just don't like how the graphical glitches make me have to reboot my phone several times a day. I would like to use an ics rom.
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knightslay2 said:
Hi all,
I'm back and would like your input on good roms. I have been using Virtuous Quattro RC3 for sometime but I just don't like how the graphical glitches make me have to reboot my phone several times a day. I would like to use an ics rom.
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I would HIGHLY recommend Ice Cold Sandwich, the homescreen is actually smooth and seems to be running at 60 FPS. It also has HEAPS of tweaks because it's based on AOKP. Give it a shot if you really want ICS.
Well, if u know chinese, u can go to the bbs.gfan.com to have to look at their rom. Although most of them are originally from xda, they may give u some different experience. U should check it out
knightslay2 said:
Hi all,
I'm back and would like your input on good roms. I have been using Virtuous Quattro RC3 for sometime but I just don't like how the graphical glitches make me have to reboot my phone several times a day. I would like to use an ics rom.
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Unless youre sold on the UI of ICS id give one of the Sense 4 roms a spin (taz's for example) theyre actually stupidly stable and smooth!
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I had enough of HTC Sense. I will not go back to it. It slow and buggy. I tried sense 4. Still slow. Not as fast stock android.
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knightslay2 said:
Hi
I am new to rooting to my phone and would like to know if any roms that supports traditional Chinese and Korean?
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I would definitely try the MIUI roms. They're great!
I think Sense 4.0 is a disappointment. Tried it on my Desire Z and it's not what I expected. The stock Android is much faster and better.
The MIUI ROM's absolutely don't work for me... Found them very laggy, but it does have some great functionalities.
I just use JIBwich, a stock Android ROM as it is on the Galaxy Nexus.
knightslay2 said:
I had enough of HTC Sense. I will not go back to it. It slow and buggy. I tried sense 4. Still slow. Not as fast stock android.
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Really?? I've had sense 4 on my phone for a few weeks now and its the smoothest my phone has ever been. Including over stock gingerbread or stock ics!
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knightslay2 said:
I had enough of HTC Sense. I will not go back to it. It slow and buggy. I tried sense 4. Still slow. Not as fast stock android.
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I would very strongly recomend the ILWT CM7 build (available under the development section). You will never want to move away. Atleast that has been the case with me, after trying sense and miui, I found home with this one.
Its fast, issue free, pretty optimized (although got further optimization you can use v6, akmo or rmp) and is pretty frequently updated (generally on every major CM build).
Been using it for almost a few months and can't even think of moving, not to any ICS either (personally, don't like the virtual keys always on screen on the ICS).
Hope it helps - cheers!
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You can try Andromadus Audacity! Very fast and stable for a beta! You can find this rom on android development thread of this section
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rezapatel said:
I would very strongly recomend the ILWT CM7 build (available under the development section). You will never want to move away. Atleast that has been the case with me, after trying sense and miui, I found home with this one.
Its fast, issue free, pretty optimized (although got further optimization you can use v6, akmo or rmp) and is pretty frequently updated (generally on every major CM build).
Been using it for almost a few months and can't even think of moving, not to any ICS either (personally, don't like the virtual keys always on screen on the ICS).
Hope it helps - cheers!
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I flashed to that rom. I really miss how the the suggestions for the keyboard in ics. Im glad to back on a fully functional on-screen keyboard that doesn't lag. I was using the unofficial cyanogen mod 9. It had issues here and there. I kind of miss ics for its looks.
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[Q] Help an old Desire Z user out on ROM selection!

Hi there everyone!
I'm just after a little bit of help here.
I've had my Desire Z for a over a year now. I did run stock but with the hassle of the "home" key delay (it was terrible!) I rooted the phone and went with a version of MIUI (can't remember which now).
I love MIUI - except its music player downloaded strange albums, is there any way to fix this? (Jamon the power of love! lol)
Anyways - I recently tried a Sense 3 rom and it's awful. Laggy, slow, and a pain to use.
I really really want a stable, easy to use, smooth (doesn't have to be fassst!) just all-round-good ROM to use as my daily driver.
I'm throwing this one out to you - Which ROM can I try?
MIUI - do I just do the MIUI.us with bulletproof add-on?
CM7.1? I've never used this - which CM version is the best DD?
Sense UI - Any out there without home button lag?
I get the feeling the Desire Z is slowly becoming a "thing of the past" but I want to squeeze life out if it! I still got another year on my current contract! lol.
Thanks so much in advance for any tips, advice, etc.
For me, CM7 is easily the fastest. Use ILWT, its the fastest cm7 ROM I've tried, and loads of customisations
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Agree with Taz. ILWT is the best of both worlds, as it's feature-rich and is perhaps the fastest ROM around. If you decide to go with MIUI you might want to give Strawmetal.Mi a try.
CoSign, CM7 is the most stable 7.2 is the most recent version.
Agree with everyone. Been using ILWT for awhile and just recently changed to Andromadus beta3.
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Virtuous G-Lite 2.0.1 is my favorite. It is fast; doesn't drain battery or consume every available RAM. I am using the ROM with stock launcher (default is LauncherPro) and I must I am glad I did.
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Thanks everyone for your most excellent replies!
I've flashed the ILWT Cm7 rom on my Desire Z and it's been great so far, really fast with no lag. I loved the design of MIUI and Sense/Sense 3 but I think I prefer something that is usable over fancy graphics which make the phone lag.
Can I customise the status bar? I would like to change it if possible, no problem if not.
Also, any other tweaks or tips most welcome. I want to get another 12 months out of this baby!
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Andromadus audacity beta 3
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CM9 Beta
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492461
heathenasparagus said:
CM9 Beta
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492461
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Just a FYI. That's not CM9 beta, it's a CM9 kang, just like Andromadus Audacity is. They're both based on CM9. CM9 is still in pre-release and may never be released officially for the Vision.
Cm7 can't go wrong.
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Elitemod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1246682
That was a bit of a bump. I think the OP has already made his choice,
but Elite is indeed a very fast and stable rom.
I realize that the thread is month old now, so OP has probably already selected a rom, but in case someone else reads this thread looking for an answer to the same question...
I'm been using the Mimicry 1.1.0 ICS rom for the past week. I've tried out all of the ICS roms for the G2/Desire Z so far and Mimicry is the first that I would recommend as a daily driver. It is running quite fast and most of the bugs and graphical glitches of other ICS roms have been worked out.
CyanogenMod 9.0.0-RC0 BETA 14 - rockzzzz
preety fast, very good battery consumption, sexy
)Hi there!
Thanks for more rom suggestions!
Also, thanks to all those who suggested roms to use, I've read the thread every time it's been updated.
Just for everyone's info, I ended up installing CM7 ILWT - it's been excellent. Fast, stable, things work - it ticks all the boxes, really, and it means I can squeeze a few more months out of my phone! Actually, it's made me rethink upgrading next year.
It's been fine for my needs and I'm no longer pulling out my hair in frustration; there's no lag, no issues with functionality, and everything is in English (rather than Chinese, like MIUI's calendar lol - also the stock player doesn't make all my album covers turn to "Jamon - The Power Of Love" too!)
I may do a nandroid backup and try some of the other suggestions. I am a little bit reluctant to try any ICS roms, I've read posts describing things as being smooth but lots of things not working properly... I may give them a try anyway and see, but I am wary. One persons buttery smooth is another persons laggingly slow. I'd prefer to do away with flashy stuff for a phone that.. um.. "just works", and fast.
Thanks.
If you prefer Gingerbread, as I previously mentioned, I would recommend G-Lite 2.0.1 but for an ICS ROM Andromadus Audacity is the only choice you can take.
I installed too many ROMS these are the one that you can use with performance.
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Hey there!
I did a nandroid of CM7 ILWT, wiped and installed Mimicry 1.1.1
I never knew ICS could be snappy!
I'm going to keep this one and see if it stays that way, so far I'm impressed!
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Cyanogenmod 9 Beta 14!
Andromadus Mimicry v1.1.2

[Q] The best rom??

Can someone tell me which rom is the best for htc desire? i need stable and fast rom... plzz help...
For you is best to use oxygen base : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1835221
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Let us place a bet on how long will it take for jb recommendations to start falling?
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I would say "Use p10 Nikez rom, its far more stable than any gingerbread rom" but I don't feel like trolling today lol
Nick's Phone Compiled From Oxy/Roalex With Mods, cm7r2 hboot
Very fast and stable
CM based roms seem to be stable and fast for most users.
Try them if you think "oxygen" is good but a little "naked".
On topic: I'm using MildWild 5.0. Fast, stable, looks good.
Troll-topic: Shaky's Sense 4.0 rom. Most stable I've ever seen.
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Nikez?
I have tried Sandvold's ROM (ICS) for a long time but switched to Nikez. Stable, clean and fast.
If you want to try: install i.e. 4EXT as recovery and stick to install-instructions and partitioning.
Also on Nikez site.
Goog luck!
i never knew "Pre Alpha" means....
RuudM said:
Nikez. Stable
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you learn something new everyday
I think he was talking about nikez's ICS rom. Still not stable.
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True, true, you're right: it's pre-alpha. And I was talking about Nikez JB P10.
As a 'normal user' of P10 I am very satisfied with this ROM and I do have some experience with other ROM's (not only Sandvold). Only a few things (thing?) does not work. Also, the forum-thread of Nikez JB P10 reads (almost) same opinions - if you filter the problems with installing 3d party scripts.
Even remarks as 'worht beta' can be read.
My suggestion is user-to-user (SeeZaar), from my point-of-view as a Desire-JB P10 user.
Cheers!
abaaaabbbb63 said:
I think he was talking about nikez's ICS rom. Still not stable.
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Erm..... No. The nikez link is JB. And he said he switched to nikez. Stable....
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Latest SpazeDog ICS ROM, I'm using it more than month, imo it's fast, smooth and perfect for daily use.
You should try JB/CM10 Elk759`s, I like it.
I think nikez is very brilliant.
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Let's stick to the topic.
SeeZaar said:
i need stable and fast rom...
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for stability and speed i would heartily recommend redux2-31.08-test which is a stripped gingerbread rom which i used exclusively for over a year. it has a wicked pull-down notification bar full of custom shortcuts. very stable despite the test title.
if you're looking for an ICS flavour i'd agree with earlier recommendations for spaze dog. i found it a bit more complicated to install successfully but once up & running it's been faultless.
hope that helps.
Coolexe's Cool Droid v3.
By reading those threads one could believe we have fully working & bug free ICS + JB. :silly:
gascomm said:
for stability and speed i would heartily recommend redux2-31.08-test which is a stripped gingerbread rom which i used exclusively for over a year. it has a wicked pull-down notification bar full of custom shortcuts. very stable despite the test title.
if you're looking for an ICS flavour i'd agree with earlier recommendations for spaze dog. i found it a bit more complicated to install successfully but once up & running it's been faultless.
hope that helps.
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Tried redux. Launcher is really slow and laggy.
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Best Rom for Daily Use

Just looking to hear what peoples favorite roms are. My brother and I traded phones, he's been using stock and it kept freezing on him. Looking for the best rom for daily use with alot of features
hit me!
I think ice cold sandwich is stable for daily use.
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I currently use Ice Cold Sandwich as well and its great. You might want to also try Existz' AOSP in the Inspire forum. If you want a Sense Roms, then Sabsa Prime and Blackout are pretty good.
I am using jelly time r10.1. I have absolutely no issues with it. It is great. I set my DPI to 160, and it fits the phone excellent.
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I use the LeeDroid HD v5.1.1. It's a very stable, smooth, and fast rom.
GTDarthYoda said:
Just looking to hear what peoples favorite roms are. My brother and I traded phones, he's been using stock and it kept freezing on him. Looking for the best rom for daily use with alot of features
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CodefireX. Tons of settings. Love the thread community. Helpful, polite, on-topic. Thread usually very good about updates on stability of the latest nightly.
GTDarthYoda said:
Just looking to hear what peoples favorite roms are. My brother and I traded phones, he's been using stock and it kept freezing on him. Looking for the best rom for daily use with alot of features
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Best Sense ICS ROM
Sabsa Prime v6.5
Best NON Sense ICS ROM
IceColdSandwich - 8.7 - AOKP
I would say best sence rom is blackout.in my opinion
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Best sense rom: Blackout.
Best non sense rom: Ice Cold Sandwich.
Very stable both of them.
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I am also finding rom for daily use.
I tried about 20 roms last weekend to find a really stable and all balanced one.
If a rom has many cool feature like newest sense4 but runs laggy. => I won't choose.
If a rom runs super fast and smooth but hotspot not working. => won't choose either.
Here's what I tasted in those 20 roms:
For Jelly Bean:
JellyTime, CodefireX, Unofficial-CM are quite similar. They are all based on CM10.
CodefireX has more tweak function in settings.
But all these rom I got sensor issue.
Accelerometer, magnetic field, orientation sensors are not working for me. (But for some others working great)
So JB rom is still far from stable for me.
For ICS with Sense:
If you want all function working, you can try Nik Project X v4.1. But I feel all sense 4 roms laggy.
If you like a smoother one, you can try Sabsa Bliss v2.0. It's sense 3.6 from Incredible S and suits for DHD, The only bad is wifi hotspot not working.
I think we can have a perfect ICS rom with sense 3.6 in the near future, just looking forward to it
For ICS without sense (AOSP)
IceColdSandwich v8.7 is the best. It's fast, light weight and many tweak settings from AOKP.
If you are not a pefectionism like me...You can choose it.
But I use camera very often. And the Camera in Sense always have better quality than in AOSP.
HTC must do image enhancement in its camera app.
......so...After a long trip to JB and ICS, I go back to GB with sense 3.5 finally......
I choose Runny Xtreme Surprise by XxXPachaXxX.
It's fast enough, many features beyond stock rom, only tiny bugs and good camera
The only bad maybe is it's a GB rom lol...
At last, I still wish HTC will release an official ICS RUU to DHD. Or, at least, an offical kernel source.
Also sabsa blish is very stable but I can't find tweaks for this from.
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Hi.. I've been trying the same for weeks .. tried many ROMs but looking for a stable sense 3.6 or 4.0 ROM (ICS). Currently on SABSA PRIME 6.0 .. only issue is its becoming more & more slow with time as I fill it up with apps & stuff .
I actually use camera a LOT so if any 1 can suggest a stable (sense) ROM with "PERFECT" camera .. I wud appreciate that. Doesn't matter if its GB even
me.noob said:
only issue is its becoming more & more slow with time as I fill it up with apps & stuff
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IMHO and my experience, every ROM is like that, even stock. Android is like Windows in that regard, more sw you install, slower it gets.... I didn't come to the conclusion if it's because of the widgets or just because of number of installed programs...
Now I need to figure out if I like sense or not I guess. thus far Jelly Bean has been my favorite on my play despite the fact that like half the stuff doesn't work >.< So we'll see...
Thx for all the places to start.
Ice Cold Sandwich is stable ICS but is no longer being actively developed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1450962
JellyTime is great for bleeding edge, R17 is stable enough for daily use. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778202
ukjohnd said:
Ice Cold Sandwich is stable ICS but is no longer being actively developed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1450962
JellyTime is great for bleeding edge, R17 is stable enough for daily use. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778202
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I can also confirm that Jellytime R17 is very stable. It has had a few hiccups over the past few releases but it works great now.
me.noob said:
Hi.. I've been trying the same for weeks .. tried many ROMs but looking for a stable sense 3.6 or 4.0 ROM (ICS). Currently on SABSA PRIME 6.0 .. only issue is its becoming more & more slow with time as I fill it up with apps & stuff .
I actually use camera a LOT so if any 1 can suggest a stable (sense) ROM with "PERFECT" camera .. I wud appreciate that. Doesn't matter if its GB even
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Dude just Install Trickdroid and you won't ever want to change!!
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Ice Cold Sandwich is a great ICS Rom recommended for daily use!
Sabsa Prime!
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Quiglesigles said:
I can also confirm that Jellytime R17 is very stable. It has had a few hiccups over the past few releases but it works great now.
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Downloaded R17 this morning I have had one lockup this evening but other than that its been fine. The are a few reports from other users of problems but I'm sure RandonBlame will sort them out.

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