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[Q] Experience with 16GB Note 2 Storage and apps

Just wondering if those who are lucky enough to already have their 16GB Note 2 have had any issues downloading a high number of apps. I have a Nexus 7 16GB version, but have found that I cannot download all of my apps (roughly 200) before I get a low storage warning. It usually doesnt let me get over 100 apps downloaded, and that is with nothing else on my device. I realize the Note 2 allows an SD card, but that doesnt help with app storage.
Any thoughts from users that currently have their device would be appreciated. I'm in the US and have been waiting anxiously for quite some time for this phone to be released. Id hate to cancel my order since who knows when we will get the 32GB/63GB versions.
Thanks for any replies/information.

It's not really a big issue unless you decide to install several big games, those occupy a lot of space and then you will quickly run out with 16GB. I have quite a lot of applications installed and a handful of games and all that occupies only 2,6GB which gives me plenty of free space to use for everything else.
Then i regularly move out photographs and filmed content to my stationary computer to not clutter and slowdown my device with such content.
/ Magnus

Here's what I have experienced. This phone is a beast, most programs install instantly, I was extremely shocked and pleased. The uninstalls are even quicker.

022908ali said:
Just wondering if those who are lucky enough to already have their 16GB Note 2 have had any issues downloading a high number of apps. I have a Nexus 7 16GB version, but have found that I cannot download all of my apps (roughly 200) before I get a low storage warning. It usually doesnt let me get over 100 apps downloaded, and that is with nothing else on my device. I realize the Note 2 allows an SD card, but that doesnt help with app storage.
Any thoughts from users that currently have their device would be appreciated. I'm in the US and have been waiting anxiously for quite some time for this phone to be released. Id hate to cancel my order since who knows when we will get the 32GB/63GB versions.
Thanks for any replies/information.
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It totally depends on what apps you have.
I have 235 apps and I have about 5.8 gig remaining out of the 10.
I also have several games that use 1.5 gig EACH, and bard's tale, if you let it, can chew down 3.5 gig on its own.
You pretty much have to root if you want to run a bunch of those.
- Frank

Can anyone tell me if these types of apps can install to the SD?
With Stock? With Root?
Google Music (pin files to SD?)
Google Maps Cache
Google Play Movies
Any Gameloft Games?
Rockstar Games (GTA, Max Payne)
That is pretty much the deciding factor for my purchase of a Note 2. If its too much of a pain to actually use the SD card, I will just stick with my 32gig Gnex.

it should be a way to move apps to the sd card

There is a way, look in the development forum. You need a custom kernel and then you can "switch" your internal and external storage. The feedback is good.
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You can pin Google Music files to the external sd card so it won't take up space on the internal. I have about 25gb of music files pinned to the external card. Dunno about games as I don't have any...
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[Q] How do I do moves apps to sd?

Hello all! Ive done some research and still am not completely understanding the partition thing. I downloaded an app that was called app2sd (I think that was the name) but it says unable to do so because of a patch that was needed. Can someone explain specifically the process. What is the partition and what about this patch thing? lol sorry but I knew just enough to use the toolkit to root my phone and now id like to benefit from it. Thanks to all who help.
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Well from the research I've done after no replies here. They have resulted in the ultimate answer being is yes you can move apps to SD, BUT it takes a process that I don't think I'd be able to do. You have to "fool" your note 2 into thinking that your SD is your internal memory and I don't want to mess things up. If someone has an easy, easy way to do this please let me know. Until then I will just wait til 4.3 update which hopefully apps to SD will be integrated with that update. The S4 in Germany has it, Shortly others shall follow. Well maybe not shortly but eventually haha.
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There's an app called folder mount that works with high data games.
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+1 on FolderMount. It's different from Apps2SD. I suggest installing My Drives. It'll help find the files that are big storage hogs.
The problem is how Android setups up the memory because of the ability to have multiple profiles.
I haven't personally tried it on the GN2, but you could tired the function Convert to System App. Maybe through that you can move an app to the SD card.
Not that they all do, but I find the two biggest storage hogs are games and videos. Videos are easily moved. Well, nandroids are too.

That is what's eating up most my memory is videos and pictures. I eventually change it over to where my pics and vids were stored on my sd card but that was after my internal memory was almost all gone. Im just going to get drop box on my computer and store them there so I can erase them on my phone to free the memory. The only reason I didn't want to do that before is because my cpu is 3 4 years old and slow. so I hate getting on it. Ill just suck it up and do it. Thanks guys.

If you set up a google+ account you can use it the same way as drop box and you can also get picasa Web, the cool thing about them is Thayer all free unlike drop box
Give it a try I think that's the best route and you can upload from your phone.
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Thanks ya'll and I've got drop box on my CPU now and it is free...for what I'm using it for anyway.
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[Q] How much of your storage do you use on your HTC One??

Just curious as to how much storage you use on your HTC One's. I consider myself a heavy App user with light music storage on my phone. Here is my setup.
I use about 12.64GB of 32GB.
I have around 100 apps at 4.15GB.
Don't carry a lot of music since I use Spotify and have unlimited data. I have one album that Spotify doesn't carry, 251MB.
I take photos and videos here and there. I'm actually recording my daily drive to work, and have captured a few videos to showcase some crappy drivers in my city. I plan on making a compilation video once i have enough material. 0.89GB
Downloads are mostly wallpapers with a few apk's thrown in, 18.88MB.
Other Storage. This is where I believe the "Formatted" and "Android" are found. First off, a 32GB (and if someone knows the exact number, post it) is more like 30GB after being formatted, and another 1GB or so for the Android and Sense software, So after that 3GB of "dead space", there are about 4.34GB worth of "other files" that accumulate from all other apps. Data, updates, cache, ect.
Available is 19.36GB. I feel like it is not a whole lot of storage left on a 32GB phone, but it actually is. I had a nandroid back up (3GB), a rom zip file (800MB), and Real Racing 3 (1.5GB) that I have deleted to free up more space. I really enjoy Real Racing 3, so i will probably install it again and end up with about 17.86GB of free memory. If I had a 16GB iPhone 5s, I would be close to running out of storage with my use.
So, this is all after I ran SD Maid Pro on my phone and deleted duplicate files as well as other files that I did not need or want.
Feel free to share anything you want to about the storage of your HTC One.

I have about 15Gb used under other.......
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I use 13.43 out of 32 GB
Mostly apps and "Other"
I also only have 1.5 gb of ram i mean i know its not ever 2gb but a half a gig? i feel robbed!!! :crying:

rddev13 said:
I use 13.43 out of 32 GB
Mostly apps and "Other"
I also only have 1.5 gb of ram i mean i know its not ever 2gb but a half a gig? i feel robed!!! :crying:
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i have a lot of music . im using 28 gig . I leave about 4 for backups and stuff .

Not too much
I use 15.4 GB, but I have a backup of a rom install, the rom itself, and about 6 gb of music.

I tend to keep a random 2 or 3 movies on my phone at a time along with all of my apps and music so I normally have anywhere from 6-8 gb left over. I try not to get below 3 gb available storage. I'm weird like that.
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[Q] Can't install apps when Tab S 10.5 gets to about 500MB remaining

Hi all,
I have a Galaxy S 10.5 (16GB) that I picked up in September of 2014. I love the thing but it's showing a weird issue. Any time I hit 500MB storage remaining, Google Play Store will no longer update apps. It gives me an insufficient storage notification. I can go in and clear the cache and everything is great - until I get to 500MB remaining again. Then I have to find more space again.
I've had a 64GB SD card installed in the device since I purchased it. I store music there and move apps that support it to the memory card. I was hoping that having the SD card would make the (insufficient) 16GB of storage liveable. It hasn't and the 500MB has only made it more challenging.
Has anyone seen this before and/or have any ideas what might be going on here.
Thanks!

I think that might be the limit of free space that must be available for the System to use. Think of it like a fail-safe approach to keep the tablet running smooth while it is constantly caching, deleting/creating temporary files, and allocating memory space in the background. Without sufficient free space available, it can't do those functions.

LakersDroid said:
I think that might be the limit of free space that must be available for the System to use. Think of it like a fail-safe approach to keep the tablet running smooth while it is constantly caching, deleting/creating temporary files, and allocating memory space in the background. Without sufficient free space available, it can't do those functions.
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Thanks. That seems reasonable. It's particularly annoying because the OS occupies almost 5GB of the 16GB I'm supposed to have. I'd rather Google/Samsung throw that 500MB into the 5GB they already have rather than tease me by telling me it's available but essentially unusable.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

<rant> First and foremost I completely agree that Google's handling of external memory, or their lack of wanting to handle, or let users use microSD cards is wrong. The way it handles moving program data to external cards in kitkat is horrible and lollipop honestly is not much better, but at least users were determined to be sufficiently old and intelligent enough to be "allowed" to grant programs permission to manage our external data instead of only letting oem programs that ability. </rant>
With all that said the answer to your issue is even more simple then that. All Programs take up at minium 2x the space while you are updating them. You have the apk (the update) and the actual program existing at the same time. Not to mention that the programs tend to take up more space then apk's due to compression of resources and other things. Given those 2 things instead of trusting that the user won't download a 200MB update and seeing it is only 200MB put annother 200MB of music on the device while it is downloading causing issues google puts a free space cap.
I always thought that the system memory is included in that block of space the 4-5GB that the OS and bloat live in.

There HAS to be some spaced reserved for the OS or the tablet would crash. data is constantly written to the data partition which is part of the internal storage and this space is needed to run the device.
I have run into this issue myself, but its easily resolved by moving all unecessary stuff to the sd card - downloads, music, media, apps e.t.c.
All it takes is a bit of housekeeping every now and then. Download an app called All-in-One toolkit from play, it will find loads of junk files which you can safely delete to free a fair amount of space.
However I agree it was rather stingy of Samsung not to include 32gGb of internal storage which should be the minium for a so called flagship device.

Yeah, this issue of less than usable sdcard is also worrying me.
I had a Galaxy tab 8.9 (which came to the market in 2011) before this. It had 16gb and no SDcard. Storage was a pain.
AFAIR, also there is no Gmail syncing when below the limit. Imagine the frustration not getting your emails and trying to find something to delete.
I was hoping the SD card in the tab S would be more usable, but alas. At least Lollipop is slightly better, but only if the apps wanna use it. I get frustrated when dictionary app Merriam Webster for example stores its 100 megabytes data file in internal memory. Same with TED app videos.
And of course, current Rom and OS used almost double the storage for system as the tablet from 2011. Android 4.0.4. Apps have become bigger too.
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fred_be9300 said:
At least Lollipop is slightly better, but only if the apps wanna use it. I get frustrated when dictionary app Merriam Webster for example stores its 100 megabytes data file in internal memory. Same with TED app videos.
And of course, current Rom and OS used almost double the storage for system as the tablet from 2011. Android 4.0.4. Apps have become bigger too.
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Precisely! The Samsung text-to-speech engine takes up at least 300MB of storage. Facebook consumes about 200MB. The Kindle app (sort of understandable since I have a lot of books) uses almost 200MB. Very little of any of that can be saved to my 60% empty SD card. Add in Newsstand and other similar apps and space is eaten up very quickly. Super annoying...

I'm now discovering this problem and it is really annoying. Is rooting the only way of getting round this? I don't want to do this but I don't think I have an option. I only have 500MB left on internal but 40GB on my 64GB micro sd.

mightywhites29111971 said:
I'm now discovering this problem and it is really annoying.
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I'm not even sure that rooting would change much about this. With rooting you can remove some of the limitations in KK and Lp about writing to the external sd card...
But this will not get applications to spontaneously use the external sd card instead of the internal SD card, for their data.
I know there used to be tricks like a2sd, link2sd, and other variations... which were widespread 3-5 years ago. To make the device believe, through symlinks and crafted mounts, that an ext3 partition on the sdcard was a part of internal data. It was often cause for instability if executed less than perfectly.
I had this on my HTC Desire, a "flagship" phone from 5 years ago, with top of the line hardware: cpu , mem, screen, but with only 250mb for internal data.
I have not searched for it specifically but so far I've not seen anybody talking about those tricks for this device.

Disk Usage
This is a free app that shows you exactly where your storage space has gone. None of this nebulous "miscellaneous" nonsense. I was able to recover about my existing free space in extra space from stuff I didn't realize was still in my storage. While this is not a solution to not being able to store all your apps on an external card it might just help a few ppl get that extra space they need.

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Disk Usage
This is a free app that shows you exactly where your storage space has gone. None of this nebulous "miscellaneous" nonsense. I was able to recover about my existing free space in extra space from stuff I didn't realize was still in my storage. While this is not a solution to not being able to store all your apps on an external card it might just help a few ppl get that extra space they need.
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Thanks for that. Have downloaded that and had a look and I have nearly 5GB of OBB files! I think this is where my issue is, and I think the only way I can resolve this for myself is to root and use an app that transfers OBB files to SD.

mightywhites29111971 said:
Thanks for that. Have downloaded that and had a look and I have nearly 5GB of OBB files! I think this is where my issue is, and I think the only way I can resolve this for myself is to root and use an app that transfers OBB files to SD.
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I hope that works out for you. I gave up on the idea of moving obb files that didn't want to move (way too much hassle for something that does not always work right) and instead decided to have less massive obb apps (games) installed at one time. I can only do one thing at a time anyways.

Something is using 20GB of space on my zenfone2(32GB) and I can't find out what it is

Recently I installed CM13.1 on my Zenfone 2. Since then something has taken up around 20GB of space, so I only have around 5GB of space to use. I keep looking for things to delete in my file manager, but their simply is nothing taking up that much space. In the storage settings page it shows 4GB of apps, 1.2 GB of photos, and everything else adds up to less than half a Gig. I do remember creating a backup of my old OS, (I think through TWRP, although I can't remember for sure.) Does anyone know what could be taking up that space? Or how I could find it and delete it?

Windirstat, for Windows ..mount phone as drive n scan.Or,
DiskUsage app from store

Thanks for the App suggestion. Turns out I had 22Gigs of modem crash logs that kept growing pretty quickly!