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Proud But surprised new gn owner

Hey All! Just got my gn a couple weeks ago and I love it! I must say though I'm a little surprised at how few roms there are out for it. I know it's new and all but still it HAS been out since last fall! Is this how long it normally takes to build a fan base with these phones? I'm not complaining. I just found it curious, coming from the Nexus S to owning the new Android flagship that there would still be such relatively little support by now. Any takers on the topic? I'd Be interested to hear your input!
Oh By the way, I'm in no way bashing the phone or this forum. I think both are outstanding. Just making conversation lol

santeana said:
Hey All! Just got my gn a couple weeks ago and I love it! I must say though I'm a little surprised at how few roms there are out for it. I know it's new and all but still it HAS been out since last fall! Is this how long it normally takes to build a fan base with these phones? I'm not complaining. I just found it curious, coming from the Nexus S to owning the new Android flagship that there would still be such relatively little support by now. Any takers on the topic? I'd Be interested to hear your input!
Oh By the way, I'm in no way bashing the phone or this forum. I think both are outstanding. Just making conversation lol
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Why do we need more roms? The current ones provide everything we need.

Same complaints about the epic touch, six months later there's a ridiculous amount of ROMs to flash.

it's better to have a few very good roms than a lot of roms that are not so good.

I just counted 25 ROMs in the dev section. Should our phones be walking to the store for us?
What more do you need??
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Well take a look at the nexus s forum. there's a rom for everyone! One Can never have too much choice! And again it was just a question. No Need to get all defensive.

less roms equals the nest selection

I think the reason is that a couple of roms got such a headstart in users and features, the devs don't see a demand. Sometimes it seems like over half the GNex owners use aokp, myself included.
For me it's surprising to see so little in flashable mods. I'd love to try some roms, but they don't have a customizable lock screen or notification toggles. To me those are must haves, so I stick with aokp. Maybe when cyanogenmod finally goes stable, devs can use it as a base for great roms.
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I can see what you mean. I also came from the Nexus S, and I did notice that there are a lot more ROMS for it. But it seems like there is no low quality roms for the Gnex. It really is a casse of quality over quantity. And we also have some groundbreaking roms here, such as paranoidandroid.

Quality v.s. quantity.
Are you looking for ROMs built from ASOP or ROMS that are just a klang of another with skins?
IMHO, ASOP or CM9 is all that a person needs. Then add what you want and ignore the rest.

I think as far as ROMS go we have hit a plateau. Until the next release (assuming there are new features) nearly everything is available over the ROMS we currently have. I can see a few kernels coming up with new ideas but I think ROMS are as up to speed as we can expect for a while
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santeana said:
Well take a look at the nexus s forum. there's a rom for everyone! One Can never have too much choice! And again it was just a question. No Need to get all defensive.
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The fact the Nexus S has been around for a lot longer, that can happen.

santeana said:
Hey All! Just got my gn a couple weeks ago and I love it! I must say though I'm a little surprised at how few roms there are out for it. I know it's new and all but still it HAS been out since last fall! Is this how long it normally takes to build a fan base with these phones? I'm not complaining. I just found it curious, coming from the Nexus S to owning the new Android flagship that there would still be such relatively little support by now. Any takers on the topic? I'd Be interested to hear your input!
Oh By the way, I'm in no way bashing the phone or this forum. I think both are outstanding. Just making conversation lol
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Gotta be careful what you say around here. I had opened up a similar thread where I was "complaining" about the Rom Support for the nexus and got flamed big time as effect.
Just watch out around here.. they don't like opinions
But coming from a sgs 2 I also was dissapointed to not find hundreds of different Roms for the nexus as there were for the galaxy s 2. Also every Rom on the nexus looks about the same and has about the same Features while for the galaxy they really differed.
I'm on bamf with bond Kernel and love them. But also waiting for an update from both since weeks....
-sent from my galaxy nexus

wait till jelly bean comes out

we have less ROMs coz they're all based on ICS , nexus S has various gingerbread versions too, not to mention it's been there for quite some time. as someone already said, basically we have everything we need with the current ROMs, except ParanoidAndroid, the only new idea could be a port of sense or tw for example, but then there's the same problem with drivers, certain hardware not working and so on.. Some people think for instance, that buying HTC or Samsung devices will give them more options, sense/TW roms and aosp/miui , and it does sound good in theory , but the reality is that u will always end up with a buggy AOSP experience (there's always something that's not working right-been through many devices and it's the same story all over again).
As a conclusion, people should make a little research before getting a device, if u like what sense or TW (or any other custom UI) offers u , then u should consider that device, if u want a real AOSP experience then the nexus is ur best choice. Not to mention that if u have a fetish to change the way ur UI looks u can always get a 3rd party launcher, AOSP handles it best coz sense or TW occupy more RAM and running a market launcher on top of all this just makes it worse.

yeah a lot of you guys make sense. I guess with all the options on the nexus s I had become a bit of a crack flasher. I just enjoyed trying out new and different roms and playing with them. but as someone just said here earlier all the ones here are pretty much the same. I'm using aokp now and I like it. I just also like other stuff too lol
thanks for your opinions everyone! keep em coming! great reading

I agree. I miss my galaxy s2 i9100. That phone has the most development. I wanna give you a reason for more development... it was expensive but it was launched everywhere in the world. Second you can run 4 different (base) types of roms.
1) touchwiz gingerbread
2) cm7 aosp based gingerbread
3) touchwiz ICS
4) cm9 aosp based ics roms
So you can see how there are always roms to flash. I loved flashing early builds as well. So I encourage more devs to build different and unique roms rather than taking features from other roms. Thanks
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Consider it a blessing. Towards the dying days of the SE X10, most of the renowned devs had moved on and then we had a million different variations of every kind of rom you could think of. We had heaps of MIUI roms which were all identical but with a different theme. Same story with Cyanogen roms.
There's really no need to have a plethora of roms because they all end up being the same. Its better to have a selection of high quality roms to pick from.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

in my experience most of the roms available are just variations of stock **** by some kid who learned to deodex and root. because what the world really needs is another ****ty rom based on sense.
there are no GB roms, no roms based on some vendor-ruined stock build. just AOSP. there are few bugs, just awesome features. you don't need a ton of roms when you have that.

hp13 said:
I agree. I miss my galaxy s2 i9100. That phone has the most development. I wanna give you a reason for more development... it was expensive but it was launched everywhere in the world. Second you can run 4 different (base) types of roms.
1) touchwiz gingerbread
2) cm7 aosp based gingerbread
3) touchwiz ICS
4) cm9 aosp based ics roms
So you can see how there are always roms to flash. I loved flashing early builds as well. So I encourage more devs to build different and unique roms rather than taking features from other roms. Thanks
Sent from Galaxy Nexus
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I second that.
-sent from my galaxy nexus

Note 2 - How's the ROM scene?

I'm coming from the S3 where the ROM scene is frankly quite pathetic, though it's steadily improving.
How's it with the note 2? Are there any major bugs with the popular ROMs? And how's the S-Pen support in custom ROMs?
Thanks a lot!

cyanide911 said:
I'm coming from the S3 where the ROM scene is frankly quite pathetic, though it's steadily improving.
How's it with the note 2? Are there any major bugs with the popular ROMs? And how's the S-Pen support in custom ROMs?
Thanks a lot!
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I'm new here at GN2 forums (ignore the post count, I've been lurking since 2011), but I just recently came over from GN1.
I'm guessing the architecture isn't vastly different, as I saw plenty of features ported to the GN1 from the GN2 back when I was there. So far what I have observed is that there are fewer ROMS here, this is owed to the phone being newer. Also, the roms being cooked here seem relatively stable with a lot less bricking.
As for recurring problems, let's hope some veterans can chime in on that, but I haven't noticed anything major (wifi works, no sudden dials etc). All in all it feels like a very fresh scene with ever-improving innovations, not even a year old so what can we expect right. Your have a GN2 or you just curious?

I'm taking a guess and saying it's even worse here regarding "movement". There's not much left to do, anyway. It would be lovely to have proper phablet interface support in stock-based ROMs, but... Well, it's pretty much "stable" here. Maybe It'll change for a couple of weeks after we get our hands in the official 4.2 ROMs due to next month.
No major bugs. In a few, there's one obscure Wifi-to-gadget or another that no one uses that doesn't work, but it depends on the baserom it is using - you see, Samsung's original comes with those bugs. In AOSP, you should expect a little worse battery life, since we don't have Exynos's sources. But they are still pretty nice.
S-pen is supposed to work with all Stock-based ROMs. There's a nice little app called S-pen Helper if you are not using the stock Launcher, but I don't remember right now if it works with an AOSP-based ROM.
It's a somewhat boring scene here, but we have all of the must-have stuff, like less-bloaty Stock, a few ROMs (many of them based on S3's work, by the way), CM, a few KANGs, and ParanoidAndroid. I had more fun testing stuff with my long dead Motorola Defy.

ok both GN2 and GSIII have the same hardware, so the most important thing in development in my opinion is the kernel development, and here you can have whatever you have with gs3 kerenel, and and about roms, i think you also can have the same experience, keep in mind that what above posters said that there are no more things to do now incase of stock roms, and aosp, only we are waiting a strong build of tablet/phaplet rom without lags (there are good ones out there but needs minor improvements), so i think you will be fine here, the only one thing that may be slow here is porting other OS, it will be faster incase of SG3,

How can you say the scene i pathetic??? Build your own Rom and then say something. You all need to learnd to appreciate other peoples work.
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I would say it's more than decent. Sheer volume might not be mind blowing - but we have stable AOSP ROMs, plenty of excellent touchwiz ROMs, etc. - so yeah. Major touchwiz ROMs are near bug free - and AOSP ROMs have some minor bugs like with Camera etc. IIRC - other than that it's all fine.

It's worse than the S3 yet it hardly matters. This phone is a beast out of the box. Many users are happy to run a rooted stock rom with the xposed and/or simplistic frameworks installed. I am one of those people.
Sent from the mighty Note II

This is even worse than " what's the best rom" threads.. guys s3 forums are probably the best forums on xda due to developers interest. . note 2 forums are great too we have some of the best devs out there so please learn to show some respect
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Hahaha.
A stock, unrooted Samsung Galaxy Note 2 is better than a custom ROM based Samsung Galaxy S3 actually.
Just an opinion.

Simone said:
Hahaha.
A stock, unrooted Samsung Galaxy Note 2 is better than a custom ROM based Samsung Galaxy S3 actually.
Just an opinion.
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Couldn't agree more tbh. Obviously it's tenfold better if you're rooted with custom kernel - but stock was absolutely fine for most parts on Note II.

I'm pure stock and it's a beast. Waiting for 4.2.2 and thats it. This is the first phone that I didn't touch i any way.
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gvpula said:
I'm pure stock and it's a beast. Waiting for 4.2.2 and thats it. This is the first phone that I didn't touch i any way.
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Yeah same 4 me. Just root
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Thread closed for 2 reasons:
1. Its a best ROM thread.
2. Would it kill you to look in the Android Development forum if you wanted to know what development was like? I think my IQ dropped by 20 points just by reading the first page of this thread.

Overclock and undervolt kernel for CM Stable 10.1.3?

Hi,
Just got a used Epic 4g today and have a question for you seasoned vets.
I've decided to run CM 10.1.3 stable since it seems like a fairly solid, well supported ROM. Can any of you recommend a custom kernel to go along with it? I'd like to be able to play around with overclocking, undervolting, or even some more governors,
Thanks.

Honestly, I've had nothing but good experience using the kernel that ships with CM 10.1 (on two Epics used by two different people). I never felt like I needed to find a different one. What are you hoping to gain from a new kernel? Just curious...

hatchmt said:
Honestly, I've had nothing but good experience using the kernel that ships with CM 10.1 (on two Epics used by two different people). I never felt like I needed to find a different one. What are you hoping to gain from a new kernel? Just curious...
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With the stock kernel, I don't see any voltage adjustment options nor any overclocking options. I'd like to have those.

doom5 said:
With the stock kernel, I don't see any voltage adjustment options nor any overclocking options. I'd like to have those.
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Fair enough. Yeah, stock CM 10.1 only allows you to adjust the clock speed *down* (from what I can see in the performance menu). I'm afraid I'm no help with the custom kernel scene, so best of luck to you. I'll let someone else comment on that if they feel so inclined.

doom5 said:
With the stock kernel, I don't see any voltage adjustment options nor any overclocking options. I'd like to have those.
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Nitest/Nutest probably have those (look around in the dev forum). Do note that Epic 4G is an old device with decreasing support, so Nitest/Nutest is pretty much the only custom kernel for AOSP ROMs.
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AndyYan said:
Nitest/Nutest probably have those (look around in the dev forum). Do note that Epic 4G is an old device with decreasing support, so Nitest/Nutest is pretty much the only custom kernel for AOSP ROMs.
Sent from Samsung Captivate Glide @ I927UCLJ3
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Thanks for your response. This device is old, but it has far better community support than my Droid Pro ever did.

[Q] S3 Development slowing down?

Hello all,
I have noticed a dramatic slow down in new development for the S3. Have all or most of the Devs moved on or is it that the new OS versions are just not worth the effort over 4.2?
Thoughts...?
-NJ

I sense that as well but I'm really hoping the devs can do something with 4.3 before they really move on.

pappcam said:
I sense that as well but I'm really hoping the devs can do something with 4.3 before they really move on.
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I see that slimbean 4.3 is pretty popular. But I do not know anything about them. Have you used Slimbean? They have their own forum separate from XDA.
-NJ

njdevils28 said:
I see that slimbean 4.3 is pretty popular. But I do not know anything about them. Have you used Slimbean? They have their own forum separate from XDA.
-NJ
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I generally stick with TW roms and avoid CM or AOKP roms as the bluetooth and camera tend to be flaky in some of those roms.

njdevils28 said:
Hello all,
I have noticed a dramatic slow down in new development for the S3. Have all or most of the Devs moved on or is it that the new OS versions are just not worth the effort over 4.2?
Thoughts...?
-NJ
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This makes sense if you think about it. The Galaxy S3 is almost 2 years old. Time moves very quickly in the Android space and there are plenty of phones that best the S3 in both excitement and specs.
That being said, the S3 is one of Samsung's best selling devices and is still favorited among critics the world over. That may be why support for the S3 is still continuing at all. However I am guessing that from here on out the majority of support will come for AOSP based roms since those are being actively developed whereas AT&T and Samsung seem to be pushing out major updates for TW every 18 months or so.
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pappcam said:
I generally stick with TW roms and avoid CM or AOKP roms as the bluetooth and camera tend to be flaky in some of those roms.
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I don't mind AOSP roms because of the speed increases. TW roms always seem bogged down because of glitchy software or just poor ports.

pappcam said:
I generally stick with TW roms and avoid CM or AOKP roms as the bluetooth and camera tend to be flaky in some of those roms.
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I like the TW also. I've not used the AOSP to any great extent. If you would not mind. What is the difference between the two?
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njdevils28 said:
I like the TW also. I've not used the AOSP to any great extent. If you would not mind. What is the difference between the two?
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One is based on Touch Wiz and usually incorporates many of the features that come with Touch Wiz like the Motion gestures and "smart" software. AOSP Rom's are compiled from Google's own source code that you see on their Nexus devices and usually come pretty bare minimum. Most geeks like me favor AOSP roms because we get to decide what features we want based on what devs are offering. If we don't feel a feature only one dev is offering exclusively is necessary then we simply don't flash that ROM. Whereas TW ROM's you're always going to get the same features with the exception of tweaks and sometimes addons.

n_alvarez2007 said:
This makes sense if you think about it. The Galaxy S3 is almost 2 years old. Time moves very quickly in the Android space and there are plenty of phones that best the S3 in both excitement and specs.
That being said, the S3 is one of Samsung's best selling devices and is still favorited among critics the world over. That may be why support for the S3 is still continuing at all. However I am guessing that from here on out the majority of support will come for AOSP based roms since those are being actively developed whereas AT&T and Samsung seem to be pushing out major updates for TW every 18 months or so.
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I don't mind AOSP roms because of the speed increases. TW roms always seem bogged down because of glitchy software or just poor ports.
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I like the custom TW rooms because they generally are faster and smoother than straight stock and they still have all the key features that I bought the phone for. They also tend to be less buggy IMO than AOSP in certain areas.
A good custom TW rom like S3Rx with a custom launcher like Nova is about as good as it gets on the S3 for me.
I also realize that 4.3 is probably as far as the S3 will go for updates but that's fine as I'll be due to upgrade my phone before I get too antsy for 4.4 or above.

pappcam said:
I like the custom TW rooms because they generally are faster and smoother than straight stock and they still have all the key features that I bought the phone for. They also tend to be less buggy IMO than AOSP in certain areas.
A good custom TW rom like S3Rx with a custom launcher like Nova is about as good as it gets on the S3 for me.
I also realize that 4.3 is probably as far as the S3 will go for updates but that's fine as I'll be due to upgrade my phone before I get too antsy for 4.4 or above.
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I checked out the S3Rx thread and it seems like it's still 4.1.2, is that correct? I am using Dandroid right now and I would like to jump to 4.3 but I do not seem to be able to find and recommended ROMS that use it.
I have seen the Slimbean.net ROM and it looks OK but I do not seem to be able to find any reviews about it on XDA.
Your Thoughts on Slimbean?
-NJ
Sidebar....
I was contemplating the S4 but I see there are many issues with Custom ROMS there due to the lock down of the bootloader. If I were to upgrade, would anyone here recommend a replacement for the S3 other than the S4?

[Q] Kernel sources and custom roms

Guys, i am thinking on getting this phone to replace my nexus 5 but i can see there are not lots of options for custom kernels.
Do we have the source code for the kernel and drivers? I ask this because i had a galaxy s3 once and we never got access to the samsung source codes, and because of that we never got a good hardware acceleration and stuff.
I guess my real question is, do we have good kernels and custom roms for this phone? or are we limited because of lacking source code?
Thanks

You have two kernels at the moment.
Rins for Kitkat and ChuppaChops for Lollipop.
For AOSP roms there is no kernel.
And yes, there is good roms available.

DelBoy said:
You have two kernels at the moment.
Rins for Kitkat and ChuppaChops for Lollipop.
For AOSP roms there is no kernel.
And yes, there is good roms available.
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Do you know about kernel sources? Only two kernels is way less than we have for the Nexus 5 for instance.
Looks like there may be some kind of limitation there...

luizffgarcia said:
Do you know about kernel sources? Only two kernels is way less than we have for the Nexus 5 for instance.
Looks like there may be some kind of limitation there...
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You can find sources here: https://www.lg.com/global/support/opensource/opensourceList?types=ALL&search=d855
You can not compare Nexus 5 with G3. Nexus is one year here while G3 was completely locked until a month ago.

Ah! That is why then!
Do you think its safe to say that now the devs have no limitations for the G3?

I would say yes.
Right now is a pause because we have Lollipop available and devs are moving to Lollipop so it will take some time to get newest ROMs for it.
But there is already great ROMs.

luizffgarcia said:
Guys, i am thinking on getting this phone to replace my nexus 5 but i can see there are not lots of options for custom kernels.
Do we have the source code for the kernel and drivers? I ask this because i had a galaxy s3 once and we never got access to the samsung source codes, and because of that we never got a good hardware acceleration and stuff.
I guess my real question is, do we have good kernels and custom roms for this phone? or are we limited because of lacking source code?
Thanks
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You will start to see more custom kernels as the devs move more towards Lollipop. We are in an odd transitional phase of shifting focus from KitKat to Lollipop, so a lot of work is being done to get this new OS running well. We should see more custom kernels as development continues, but you may not notice as many KitKat kernels as you wanted to see. Hopefully you stick with the G3 and we're glad to have you here in our community!