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Google pulls support for LTE Galaxy Nexus?

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/0...ons-lte-galaxy-nexus-to-be-a-developer-phone/
I'm not sure whether this is legit...or whether its just a mistake..LETS HOPE ITS JUST A MISTAKE OK GUISE?
Seriously though, we've been through enough with this phone

Yeah fingers crossed this isn't true...
Sent from my Gummy Nexus

If this is true, I'm going to be seriously pissed. I gave up an unlimited data plan at AT&T to get the GN because I wanted a phone that should be future-proof with respect to OS updates for 18-24 months.
I'm still within my 14 days with Verizon. I hope we get this straightened out before my return period is up...

Seems pretty clear. It's a bit too official in too many places consistently to be a "mistake".
Verizon pushed them too far, and took away too many things for Google to consider it a Nexus reference platform.
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ssmug said:
If this is true, I'm going to be seriously pissed. I gave up an unlimited data plan at AT&T to get the GN because I wanted a phone that should be future-proof with respect to OS updates for 18-24 months.
I'm still within my 14 days with Verizon. I hope we get this straightened out before my return period is up...
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You could've kept your unlimited plan and bought unlocked GSM... Verizon wasn't your only option lol.

Seriously, this is a lot of uproar about nothing IMO.
The page stating CDMA devices aren't supported is for building AOSP builds for target devices. It has nothing to do with OTA updates.
You'll notice another Nexus CDMA device missing, the Nexus S 4G. Guess where it gets its updates from and always has (it's not Sprint)?

krohnjw said:
Seriously, this is a lot of uproar about nothing IMO.
The page stating CDMA devices aren't supported is for building AOSP builds for target devices. It has nothing to do with OTA updates.
You'll notice another Nexus CDMA device missing, the Nexus S 4G. Guess where it gets its updates from and always has (it's not Sprint)?
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I'm new to Android phones (but not tablets), so I don't know exactly what those listing mean, but I sure hope you're right!

ssmug said:
I'm new to Android phones (but not tablets), so I don't know exactly what those listing mean, but I sure hope you're right!
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They are merely targets you can pass in when building a a ROM from AOSP source that configures the source for that target device automatically and the accompanying instructions for flashing the rom you've build (From source) to that device. Along with this are the required vendor binaries (blobs) to place in the build directory for the closed source libraries for specific hardware for each device.
The sensational headline does grab attention, but that page has never had anything to do with updates.

I think even if Google drops support there will be lots of mods like cyanogen.

DonXoB said:
I think even if Google drops support there will be lots of mods like cyanogen.
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Forgive me if this is a naive question, but would they be able to update the OS from the GSM updates?

I think Google means to pull the LTE radios, it seems like VZW to be concerned about those being OS'ed for security reason...hmmm

martonikaj said:
You could've kept your unlimited plan and bought unlocked GSM... Verizon wasn't your only option lol.
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That is what I did. Best $700 I've ever spent!

krohnjw said:
They are merely targets you can pass in when building a a ROM from AOSP source that configures the source for that target device automatically and the accompanying instructions for flashing the rom you've build (From source) to that device. Along with this are the required vendor binaries (blobs) to place in the build directory for the closed source libraries for specific hardware for each device.
The sensational headline does grab attention, but that page has never had anything to do with updates.
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that's worse. So there won't be devs aosp built on this phone anymore ?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Verizon must have really pissed off Google.

martonikaj said:
You could've kept your unlimited plan and bought unlocked GSM... Verizon wasn't your only option lol.
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I knew someone would say that! I don't use that much data (although I'm not in an LTE area, but I am near one), and if I did have LTE, I don't really stream or tether, so it wouldn't be too big a deal. (And my company gets a 25% discount at Verizon and 5 GB for the price of 2 GB.)
Still hurt to leave it, especially since I got the GN specifically for what I thought would be guaranteed OS support...
I still have until Tuesday to return it and go back, though...

My Rant, and I hope Google Reads This

Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.

Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).

Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You've heard wrong.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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Its a matter of principle for some people.
And you have to unlock your bootloader. You can relock it after of course.

greeced said:
Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.
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Agreed on all points! Google, sadly, is becoming a an organization that lacks focus in its endeavors.

I also come from a galaxy s and i have a yakju, international gsm, carrier free.
When i first heard that vodafone pt would have galaxy nexus carrier locked for sale, i thought right away that that couldnt be a good thing, so i went and ordered a sim free international version even more certain that what i needed was the one where no carrier touched, only Google. That worked out fine. There was no yakju variants known at the time, october or early november last year.
The move about dropping support on cdma devices was not so good, but thats on the carrier and lte fw.
Edit: re read op, and it seems he has a carrier unlocked phone.
If you wanted to escape regional builds, you should ask yourself why they exist. Different basebands for example, you probably are aware of this since you're from Canada.
I dont care about otas and etas, as long as source is available. Thats why i bought it in the first place.

Yes I can't believe why Google is allowing this. The nexus doesn't seem like a nexus now- it's just a phone that is unlockable.
It is the same case for me in Hong Kong. I finally decided not to flash yakju but to start using ROMs the second week I bought the phone.
Google needs to change this policy. They aren't going to let the nexus get more and more out of hand and less Google! As we Hongkongers like to say, give us back the "Google son"!
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

greeced said:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
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How could there be no regional builds when people in the world don't even speak the same language?
Sorry for my sarcasm, but you get the idea. We have different networks, systems, AC power plugs... the list goes on and on. Just look at what 'X' means in different countries.
But I agree that they can do a lot more to make it easier.

Google has always held the belief that the Nexus line is for developers. It is for the most part a stock platform for which a developer can test their products on. However, Samsung and the carriers have mass marketed the phone as a consumer phone. It really is not and the Nexus brand has changed forever.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.

how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?

zeekiz said:
Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.
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This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You're missing the point of his post.
Sent from a yakju GSGN

josteink said:
This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
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But then you are looking at the fact that they then have to supply smaller retailers with the handset, which also means they would have a lower scope of user adoption, as well as the cost of additional advertising.
By pleasing selected network providers, it ensure that the handset is in the hands of not just enthusiasts, but also the general user. The handset will have a higher adoption rate due to the higher availability, as well as the network providers will be more proactive in advertising the phone, overall this not only increases profits, but saves money by relying on the front end to advertise to attract users.
Business is business at the end of the day.

HRodMusic said:
how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?
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https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate

martonikaj said:
https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
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wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?

HRodMusic said:
wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?
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LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.

efrant said:
You've heard wrong.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
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You do NOT need to unlock boot loader to flash yakju, from personal experience.

martonikaj said:
LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.
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yea, its just i got my phone off craigslist, ive always wondered were it came from, over seas, or from my canadian neighbors =D
btw whats your speeds like in bellingham?

greeced said:
Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
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You're posting on XDA and hope Google reads this?
I'm just happy that we have access to the latest ICS versions (through ROMs and AOSP). If I have to flash them instead of getting OTAs, then so be it. I can live with that.
I am 100% sure we are much better off than those still stuck on Gingerbread, Froyo, Eclair and even Donut. We and the Nexus S crew are still the first to get our hands on ICS, which we've been able to enjoy over the past 4 months whilst everyone else has to wait patiently. We'll also have first dibs on Jellybean too
Is it ideal that we already have version fragmentation on ICS? Not really, but considering the baseline version recommended for mass use hasn't seemed to have surfaced yet, I wouldn't really consider that a problem. Once that's out in the wild, I would expect most people will get OTA'd to the latest version and all will be well.
Regional builds MAY get it slower due to Samsung handling the OTAs, however I think they only did this to offload some of the pressure of single-handedly applying a global update. Even though my Nexus was shipped as yakju, I do hope Sammy pulls their finger out and updates the regional builds as fast as Google will.

Sprint galaxy nexus questions

I have a few questions specific to the Sprint version of the galaxy nexus:
1. Updates - who provides them? Does google have to go through sprint? Or can you download them direct from google like you can with GSM/Verizon? If google direct, does google provide up to date versions? They don't for verizon (who is still on 4.0.2)
2. If google doesn't provide them direct, what are the chances that the modding community can provide a pure google experience with a fully up to date copy of android? I mean no modifications at all beyond what you would otherwise find in the pure google release.
3. Do third party ROM's and google direct ROM's have access to the ## codes? E.g. ##DATA, etc.
4. Does the stock nexus include bloatware (e.g. crappy NASCAR alikes, amazon mp3, sprintzone, etc)
5. The Verizon CDMA has connection issues, can the same be said about Sprint?
6. I've heard about some problems with some screens looking like crap, has this been the case with the sprint version?

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1. I believe Google supplies updates to all of the nexus phones.
2. Even with direct updates from Google the modding community will just about always provide better update support for any android phone. Not too mention the tweaks and mods that truly push the power of the phone.
3. No bloatware at all on the Sprint galaxy nexus.
4. I have had no connection issues.
5. This screen is beautiful, but some people seem to notice things in pentile screens while others do not.
I started using smartphones with a blackberry curve, then a Samsung moment, then an HTC Evo 4g, then the HTC Evo 3d and now my SAMSUNG galaxy nexus (I still prefer the nexus prime name as it would have gone well with my transformer prime). This is by far the best phone out of the bunch.
sent from my sprint nexus prime

I missed number 3, but I don't know so it doesn't matter.
sent from my sprint nexus prime

Rakeesh_j said:
I have a few questions specific to the Sprint version of the galaxy nexus:
1. Updates - who provides them? Does google have to go through sprint? Or can you download them direct from google like you can with GSM/Verizon? If google direct, does google provide up to date versions? They don't for verizon (who is still on 4.0.2)
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Google makes the updates for the software, then hands it to (and continues to work with) Sprint to develop the kernel and radio stacks to work with the update. The update gets tied up in that process, exactly how it does with Verizon. Updates will be slower because of it.
2. If google doesn't provide them direct, what are the chances that the modding community can provide a pure google experience with a fully up to date copy of android? I mean no modifications at all beyond what you would otherwise find in the pure google release.
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People will take the update files from GSM and take the changes and add them to new CDMA ROMs, but they will still be using the old radios from the previous updates (because those aren't included in the GSM ROMs of course). So basically it's a hack job that just makes you feel better because you have the updated build number, but isn't really an update. Often the updates for GSM don't do anything to fix the CDMA model, and its purely cosmetic. Fixes that the CDMA version need will only come in the CDMA update.
3. Do third party ROM's and google direct ROM's have access to the ## codes? E.g. ##DATA, etc.
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Short codes are just pinging your carrier and returning the data. Shouldn't be ROM specific.
4. Does the stock nexus include bloatware (e.g. crappy NASCAR alikes, amazon mp3, sprintzone, etc)
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Shouldn't have any Sprint apps (Verizon includes 2 tools). Any that are included can be disabled.
5. The Verizon CDMA has connection issues, can the same be said about Sprint?
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Dunno. Different networks and software versions (slightly). The radios are probably of the same quality though.
6. I've heard about some problems with some screens looking like crap, has this been the case with the sprint version?
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Sprint version has the same screen tech/process/manufacturer as the other models. It'll be subject to the same inconsistencies and "issues" that people see. Its the same production line.

martonikaj said:
People will take the update files from GSM and take the changes and add them to new CDMA ROMs, but they will still be using the old radios from the previous updates (because those aren't included in the GSM ROMs of course). So basically it's a hack job that just makes you feel better because you have the updated build number, but isn't really an update. Often the updates for GSM don't do anything to fix the CDMA model, and its purely cosmetic. Fixes that the CDMA version need will only come in the CDMA update.
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Well I'd assume they'd still have the android core fixes at least? Take for example the API additions and calendar app changes from 4.0.2 to 4.0.3.
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Short codes are just pinging your carrier and returning the data. Shouldn't be ROM specific.
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I think that's true on GSM but CDMA is different. For example, if you load CM9 to an HTC Evo or an HTC Hero, you lose access to those codes.
Don't suppose anybody could test this for me? E.g. load AOKP or CM9 to their galaxy nexus and try them.

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Well I'd assume they'd still have the android core fixes at least? Take for example the API additions and calendar app changes from 4.0.2 to 4.0.3.
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They'd include anything that was part of the GSM OTA that wasn't radio or CDMA specific. So you'd get feature adds, but not bugfixes. Most people are looking for bug fixes, which they don't get. As I said, for the most part these CDMA ROMs that include parts of the GSM OTAs can be pretty useless and are usually just cosmetic.
I think that's true on GSM but CDMA is different. For example, if you load CM9 to an HTC Evo or an HTC Hero, you lose access to those codes.
Don't suppose anybody could test this for me? E.g. load AOKP or CM9 to their galaxy nexus and try them.
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No idea, don't like or use CDMA.

Google is the owner for the core of the updates, sprint and Verizon both have minor BS on them that can be deleted, no Verizon issues since day one of release, and load AOKP as soon as you can, mskip(XDA) makes the BEST rooting software on the net for this phone
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA

[Q] AT&T Development - Lack of ROMs and other questions.

Just bought a North American Galaxy S3 with LTE and the AT&T section has basically nothing in terms of ROMs. The International forum has many, many more. Why is that?
Is there something developers are waiting for so they can start making ROMs?
Also, wouldn't it be smarter to rename the AT&T Development forum to "AT&T and Rogers Development"? It was quite confusing for me when I was first looking for the forum.
One last question. If I were to flash the kyanROM or the Ultimatun ROM, would it display "4G" instead of "LTE"? The stock Rogers ROM displays LTE. I just upgraded from the HTC One XL and they had the same setup, always the same as the AT&T model but all the ROMs had the 4G symbol instead of LTE.
Thanks for reading, and thank you in advanced for your answers.

Hypercore said:
Just bought a North American Galaxy S3 with LTE and the AT&T section has basically nothing in terms of ROMs. The International forum has many, many more. Why is that?
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I do believe its because alot of the dev's are waiting on their phones to arrive. The phone just got released by mail,(not in stores yet). So I think as they start to get their phones we will see more roms popping up. I am rooted but I have yet to flash a rom. I am still running stock.. I am waiting for a bigger selection.

yea you are going to have to wait i would say about 1/8 of the people who want the phone have one. I got lucky when getting mine.

So basically the developers are waiting for their phones to arrive so they can start work on building custom ROMs?
That makes sense, thanks for the reply. Can't wait until I can unleash the potential of this beast.

yes, you gotta think the international version has been out for a min. now, and didnt have to deal with nearly as many shortages due to supply and demand kinda of deal. Here we have shortages all across just about every carrier. Some people got their phones, others are waiting until their pre orders come, some are waiting until they are sold in stores, I give it a few more weeks, maybe even a month and we will all get our fix of ROMS, im definitely excited on how they will get them to work across the major carriers here.

The default behavior for the icons on AT&T is as follows:
E = Edge
3G = 3G area, should be almost nowhere in the states anyway
4G = HSPA+, or 3.5G or whatever you want to call it.
4Glte = LTE network
Of course any custom ROM can change those, and you'll need to make sure you have the proper APN settings for your carrier.
Hope that helps,
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Just bought a North American Galaxy S3 with LTE and the AT&T section has basically nothing in terms of ROMs. The International forum has many, many more. Why is that?
Is there something developers are waiting for so they can start making ROMs?
Also, wouldn't it be smarter to rename the AT&T Development forum to "AT&T and Rogers Development"? It was quite confusing for me when I was first looking for the forum.
One last question. If I were to flash the kyanROM or the Ultimatun ROM, would it display "4G" instead of "LTE"? The stock Rogers ROM displays LTE. I just upgraded from the HTC One XL and they had the same setup, always the same as the AT&T model but all the ROMs had the 4G symbol instead of LTE.
Thanks for reading, and thank you in advanced for your answers.
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Excited for some custom ROMs to start showing up in the coming weeks! Running CM9 on my I9000 right how and can't stand touchwiz!

Jsick said:
Excited for some custom ROMs to start showing up in the coming weeks! Running CM9 on my I9000 right how and can't stand touchwiz!
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I'm not a touchwiz fan either, but when I use a 3rd party launcher (e.g. Nova Prime, Apex, Go Launcher) it removes most of the annoying things imho.

I am working on a rom myself, though it is more difficult since none of the windows based tools function well at all for ICS 4.0.4 TW based stuff. I could install a VM of Linux but I don't have the time for that right now. I will get around to it.

Don't worry you guys will get tons of ROM's soon. Same thing happened with the I777 .GS2, started really slow then they blew up.
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Most people just started receiving there phones and working on custom roms. If you itching to flash try working on your own rom i did and its very unstable but I'm getting there. It require more time then i thought. We should be good on roms in a few weeks.
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Cant a Dev Mod a Kitkat Port to Allow Wifi Calling?

Many S3 users are complaining that tmobile hasnt released kitkat for the S3 while all the other carriers have. I'm one of those complainers. But why cant a dev just take a Sprint kitkat rom and mod it to allow wifi calling for the tmobile S3? Shouldnt that be easy to do?

If it was easy it would've been done already
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yahanna said:
Many S3 users are complaining that tmobile hasnt released kitkat for the S3 while all the other carriers have. I'm one of those complainers. But why cant a dev just take a Sprint kitkat rom and mod it to allow wifi calling for the tmobile S3? Shouldnt that be easy to do?
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no, WiFi calling has NEVER been ported. So the only ROMs that will have WiFi calling on them are ROMs based on a T-Mobile OS that included WiFi calling. Since every KK ROM on TMO is a port, the OS it NEEDS to be based on technically doesn't exist.
read this to get a better idea:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2302313&page=8
there is already a bounty for a port in the thousands... to give you an idea of the simplicity

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no, WiFi calling has NEVER been ported. So the only ROMs that will have WiFi calling on them are ROMs based on a T-Mobile OS that included WiFi calling. Since every KK ROM on TMO is a port, the OS it NEEDS to be based on technically doesn't exist.
read this to get a better idea:
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there is already a bounty for a port in the thousands... to give you an idea of the simplicity
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Hi 52brandon. Thanks for letting me kbow. By chance, have you heard of StockMOD Rom? It includes wifi calling but is based on 4.3. If youve heard of it what do you think of it?

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Hi 52brandon. Thanks for letting me kbow. By chance, have you heard of StockMOD Rom? It includes wifi calling but is based on 4.3. If youve heard of it what do you think of it?
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I have not. I don't have TMO (yet. Got grandfathered data on VZW which is nice. But TMO is cheaper, has perfect coverage in my area, and 3x LTE speeds. So probably gonna switch and sell my grandfathered plan AoL. First gonna try to get my number. I heard there's a way to do it with Google Voice, but that's a different topic. I just follow the VoIP developments to see how it goes. IMO every carrier should offer it. I'd love to see some ROM team geniuses get it figured out

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I I'd love to see some ROM team geniuses get it figured out
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Yeah I agree. This is the reason why I'm thinking of getting a Note 3 and selling my S3. Its just weird that tmobile wont release kitkat for the S3. Good luck with selling that grandpa plan. I know how its like being grandfathered into a plan. I was there too.

Just so you guys know, other carriers may soon get the hint and follow T-Mobiles lead on wifi calling. Sprint apparently is just now beginning to introduce it on their networks. From what I hear, its very restricted though, and is nowhere near as good as T-Mobile, but its a start!
Don't hold your breath for finding a way to port it into non Tmobile roms though. The work involved in modding many different parts of the o/s is probably much greater than anyone realizes, and without the full source code is next to impossible. It would require modding of system apps, frameworks, libs, drivers and modules, as well as the base firmware itself, most notably, the modem.

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Just so you guys know, other carriers may soon get the hint and follow T-Mobiles lead on wifi calling. Sprint apparently is just now beginning to introduce it on their networks. From what I hear, its very restricted though, and is nowhere near as good as T-Mobile, but its a start!
Don't hold your breath for finding a way to port it into non Tmobile roms though. The work involved in modding many different parts of the o/s is probably much greater than anyone realizes, and without the full source code is next to impossible. It would require modding of system apps, frameworks, libs, drivers and modules, as well as the base firmware itself, most notably, the modem.
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Really? Its good to hear that Sprint is including wifi calling. But I feel that the S3 wont get it in future releases based on what I read that kitkat is the last Android version for it. If by chance its included in a future release, it'll be months before it comes out. By then I'd have sold my S3.
Regarding the hard work that goes into modding a rom, I'm glad you explained it in detail. That opens up my eyes about how hard it is for a dev to invest his time and energy in modding a rom just right. I didnt know before how difficult it was. Many times we end users take devs for granted not knowing the sheer sacrifice you guys make to make us all happy. We look at you guys as wizards instead of human beings and expect you to give us what we want at the drop of a hat as if by magic, not appreciating your hard labor. For that I thank you Doc. Talk to you again.

Glad I could help!
Unless im mistaken, Sprint will be introducing their wifi calling with the S5/Note4. Not sure if the S4 will see it, bit you're right about kk being the last update for the S3.
As I understand it, they've still got a ways to go to make it as good as T-Mobiles offering, but it'll be better than not having it all!