Hi guys,
I am considering buying Nexus 7, however, there is a concern. This tablet is without 3G so it makes some of its functions such as Google now... useless when on road. Otherwise it is a great tablet at great price but I would rather pay 50 bucks more if it has 3G. How do you think guys should I buy Nexus 7?
wrong forum? why are you posting this in the galaxy nexus forum?
Sorry sorry sorry, wrong forum. I am also Galaxy Nexus user so I forgot to post in right forum...how can I move it to Nexus 7 forum???
You can't, however to answer your question, why don't you just tether it to your phone? That way you don't have to pay for a secondary subscription and you still get network access everywhere.
I'm aware that you may need to pay a tethering fee but it can be circumvented and still it'll be less than a secondary subscription.
as Mortenmhp said. Just tether it with your phone and use your phones network.
A moderator will move this to the correct forum when they see it, nothing you need to do mate
Thank you guys for sharing. I also thought about tethering 3G connection from my phone as in my country tethering is not blocked by carrier. However, what is the point of having Google now on Nexus 7 then, when I already have it on my phone. And the dark side of tethering is that my phone's battery will drain faster...Anyway, I think I will buy Nexus 7 but will use it only as a home tablet...only don't understand why Google put Google Now on a non-3G device...as for me Google Now is the most useful only when on the road.
tacz said:
Thank you guys for sharing. I also thought about tethering 3G connection from my phone as in my country tethering is not blocked by carrier. However, what is the point of having Google now on Nexus 7 then, when I already have it on my phone. And the dark side of tethering is that my phone's battery will drain faster...Anyway, I think I will buy Nexus 7 but will use it only as a home tablet...only don't understand why Google put Google Now on a non-3G device...as for me Google Now is the most useful only when on the road.
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Exactly, why do you need Google Now to work on your N7 when you have it on your phone? I could understand if you were not a Nexus owner but obviously you are.....
Please take this discussion to the Nexus 7 forum.
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Got my phone yesterday from Docomo in Japan. I was able to root it, but haven't been able to get wireless tethering to work. It doesn't seem like there is any tethering built-in, and none of the options available in the market appear to work with the galaxy nexus yet. Has anyone else been successful?
(aside from that, phone is awesome!)
Works for me...go to settings, wireless and networks, more, tethering and portable hotspot.
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Well... damn that sucks. It doesn't look like I have that option.
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Well... damn that sucks. It doesn't look like I have that option.
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Click Wi-Fi direct. Drag down your notification bar and click it (should say touch for settings next to wifi direct) after that wireless tethering should appear and you can turn off wifi direct.
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Click Wi-Fi direct. Drag down your notification bar and click it (should say touch for settings next to wifi direct) after that wireless tethering should appear and you can turn off wifi direct.
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Unfortunately no new options appeared
Congrats on the phone.
Tethering will be enabled with a future update along with SP Mode Mail and area mail.
A rep said no date confirmed but hopefully by the end of January.
Meanwhile, have you tried tethering via bluetooth? I haven't gotten around to trying it myself but it may be worth a shot.
Source: Docomo
So it seems Docomo are doing what they're not meant to do, interfering with a nexus. Still, I guess its no surprise as not all networks are likely to stick to what the Nexus is about.
Rik
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Unfortunately no new options appeared
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Sorry about that. It didn't show on my device until I checked Wi-Fi direct first and now its always there.
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Got my phone yesterday from Docomo in Japan. I was able to root it, but haven't been able to get wireless tethering to work. It doesn't seem like there is any tethering built-in, and none of the options available in the market appear to work with the galaxy nexus yet. Has anyone else been successful?
(aside from that, phone is awesome!)
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I noticed my Docomo Nexus has the Baseband SC04D0MKKD and was afraid of rooting or changing roms etc.
How is your experience, everything fine?
What's your baseband?
Can't you just flash the official image that Google released? To give it the pure stock experience instead of the rom you have which has been modified by your carrier?
http://code.google.com/android/nexus/images.html
I'm not suggesting you definitely do this because for all I know it could break your phone, but it's an idea, maybe someone else could confirm if this would be ok to do or not.
Just got my GN from Docomo and i can confirm there's no wireless tether option in this rom yet. BTW, since Docomo GN devices have SC04D0MKKD baseband and ITL41D.SC04D0MKKD build number, i think we will get updates from Docomo and not from Google. Is it correct?
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I was actually about to buy the phone at a Docomo shop yesterday and noticed tethering is indeed missing; this thread just confirms it.
Does anyone know if the image Google posted on the Nexus support website can be flashed to the device without breaking it? If so, does it get rid of this and whatever other crap Docomo may have done to the phone (for shame, Google: aren't Nexus devices supposed to be free from this kind of shenanigans)?
If not, are the Nexus models on sale at Expansys Japan similarly gimped or are they standard international versions? I was willing to pay full price + carrier unlock fee to the Docomo shop just to avoid having to deal with shipping, but no tethering is a deal breaker to me.
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I was actually about to buy the phone at a Docomo shop yesterday and noticed tethering is indeed missing; this thread just confirms it.
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Docomo reports it as coming in a version upgrade, as well as spmode mail. When I bought the phone, I was told by the rep that it should come in the middle of Jan.
Sure it may be delayed, but is there a legitimate (non-emotional) reason to doubt that?
I would be more concerned about getting dumped into the 'non-docomo' smartphone category, like iPhone users, and pay the significantly higher data rates.
I'm also interested in rooting & changing the kernel stuff on a Docomo Nexus.
Does someone here know if the carrier stuff that's having to deal with data is in the baseband SW ?
I want to change to those leaner kernels, but I don't want to get surprise in my telephone bill...
I think there are some ppl on the forums already who have changed to different kernels, who use JP model
I just picked mine up yesterday and I'm already trying to figure out if rooting it will break it or not. I'd love to go with a generic ROM instead of the neutered version DoCoMo gives us. I went through this same crap with my Xperia and it's maddening. I don't care about tethering near as much as making a wifi hotspot. Has anybody rooted successfully then used anything like barnacle?
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I just picked mine up yesterday and I'm already trying to figure out if rooting it will break it or not. I'd love to go with a generic ROM instead of the neutered version DoCoMo gives us. I went through this same crap with my Xperia and it's maddening. I don't care about tethering near as much as making a wifi hotspot. Has anybody rooted successfully then used anything like barnacle?
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Just loaded the stock ITL41F image from google on my DoCoMo Galaxy Nexus. Afterwards, I flashed the DoCoMo baseband back onto it, and it works perfectly. Tethering options are now there! USB, WiFi, and Bluetooth - confirmed they all work.
I have my Docomo Nexus since Dec. 2nd and the missing tethering feature and also missing spmode is a no brainer for me. They told me that spmode will come in December and tethering in January. I will stay on the save side and wait for the updates, because I'm not sure that flashing the ROM will cause other problems and as LIQUIDARTS said, will likely cause also higher data rates bills. Docomo's Open APN (Mopera) costs around 8000Yen at time (previously over 10000Yen).
With the google build, I am still able to connect to the mpr2.bizho.net APN (which non-docomo phones are not able to use,) under the PakeHodai Plan with tethering. The other mopera.net APN is the open one for those foreign phones which must pay the higher 8000-10000Yen rates, I believe. Access to the mpr2 one is probably restricted by settings on the SIM, and/or IEMI filtering (guessing.) I'm not a big fan of DoCoMo and all the crap they add to their phones and lock down, but they have.... hands down... the fastest and most reliable phone service in Okinawa.
So kevink817, do you flash newb's phones for beer?
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With the google build, I am still able to connect to the mpr2.bizho.net APN (which non-docomo phones are not able to use,) under the PakeHodai Plan with tethering. The other mopera.net APN is the open one for those foreign phones which must pay the higher 8000-10000Yen rates, I believe. Access to the mpr2 one is probably restricted by settings on the SIM, and/or IEMI filtering (guessing.) I'm not a big fan of DoCoMo and all the crap they add to their phones and lock down, but they have.... hands down... the fastest and most reliable phone service in Okinawa.
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@kevink817
that's why I choose the Nexus instead of the Galaxay SII LTE. Except of spmode mail client/service there is nothing from Docomo on the phone!:
One can still use the mpr2.bizho.net APN with their non Docomo phone but you be dropped down to 128k transfer rate and an additional charge of 300Yen per month for it's use. I do this at the moment with my Samsung Omnia 7.
On my Docomo Nexus I have a normal flat rate data plan. Yes, they are using IEMI filtering! My hope is that they might be drop down the open APN rate to 5000Yen.
Hey can someone confirm whether the stock wifi hotspot feature works on the Verizon galaxy nexus without having to add a tethering plan?
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When I select to turn it on, it runs through a "checking for subscription" then pops up an Error window that I'm not authorized to run it and have to call Customer Service. It was the first thing I tried as soon as I walked out of the VZW store this morning.
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Hey can someone confirm whether the stock wifi hotspot feature works on the Verizon galaxy nexus without having to add a tethering plan?
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I'd like to know this as well. Chances are though, you have to be rooted and the hotspot app will have to be hacked for it to be used without detection check by VZW. I am with Sprint OG Samsung Epic, and these were the necessary steps to get Sprint hotspot to work without having a plan. I am sure a dev will be able to get it done in time. In the meantime, suggest rooting and using either Barnacle tether or Wifi Tether, or if you want to stay stock: PDANet.
After root - wired tether will work.
After root - WiFi tether will NOT work. It has the 'blocktether' thing on there.
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After root - wired tether will work.
After root - WiFi tether will NOT work. It has the 'blocktether' thing on there.
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Ouch. Any available apps/workarounds to enable wireless tether? This is a make-or-break issue for me right now in terms of getting the phone.
Framework patch. Give it a week. Or just pay for it.
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Ouch. Any available apps/workarounds to enable wireless tether? This is a make-or-break issue for me right now in terms of getting the phone.
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Ouch. Any available apps/workarounds to enable wireless tether? This is a make-or-break issue for me right now in terms of getting the phone.
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At this moment, you'll need an LTE rom or patch that disables the 'blocktether' methinks. I am running stock for the rest of the week, so I cannot test - apologies.
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Ouch. Any available apps/workarounds to enable wireless tether? This is a make-or-break issue for me right now in terms of getting the phone.
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Just root your phone. There is no downside to that.
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Just root your phone. There is no downside to that.
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That's not the problem. Not being able to tether could potentially be a dealbreaker for some people (myself included).
Its blocked. You've got to root and remove the software they have for tracking tethering. Or wait for a CDMA custom ROM to come out that has unblocked tethering.
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Or just pay for it.
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LOL
If it's that big of a deal, pay for it then.
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At this moment, you'll need an LTE rom or patch that disables the 'blocktether' methinks. I am running stock for the rest of the week, so I cannot test - apologies.
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Yup. You'll just have to get a rom that has tethering open for all of our hearts' content!
Anyone tried this app ht tp://goo.gl/LZCZO or the paid version ? Can't believe VZW sucks so bad, makes sense now why the phone was delayed so long... Google arguing against VZW breaking and crippling their beautiful OS. But I just bought one this morning and being delivered tomorrow.
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Anyone tried this app ht tp://goo.gl/LZCZO or the paid version ? Can't believe VZW sucks so bad, makes sense now why the phone was delayed so long... Google arguing against VZW breaking and crippling their beautiful OS. But I just bought one this morning and being delivered tomorrow.
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Using a 3rd party app doesn't remove Verizon's tracking software. They'll still see you're doing it based on my experiences w/ VZW phones...
I'm assuming you guys have tried Google's Wireless Tether app. No dice?
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Anyone tried this app ht tp://goo.gl/LZCZO or the paid version ? Can't believe VZW sucks so bad, makes sense now why the phone was delayed so long... Google arguing against VZW breaking and crippling their beautiful OS. But I just bought one this morning and being delivered tomorrow.
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Not letting people steal bandwidth is not crippling the OS. Don't get me wrong I think paying for tethering is beyond retarded but it is a paid service that they offer there is no reason for them to give it away for free.
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Not letting people steal bandwidth is not crippling the OS. Don't get me wrong I think paying for tethering is beyond retarded but it is a paid service that they offer there is no reason for them to give it away for free.
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People aren't "stealing" bandwidth. They're paying for it and using it. This isn't even an argument in a world of capped data plans. If you pay for 2GB or 4GB or 10GB+, you're buying that bandwidth from VZW. Its yours to use. And carriers are being beyond ridiculous, forcing consumers to pay for data twice.
And it is crippling (albeit thats a bit dramatic) the OS. ICS (and 2.2, 2.3) has wired/wireless tethering enabled. Removing that, is removing a feature that used to make the OS whole.
Just to clear the air -
Currently - no matter what App you use, you cannot WiFi tether.
Verizon is blocking ALL WiFi tether - you will need to remove the check.
Thanks for the update. What are the chances that this check can be removed? I know people with the Bionic were having problems tethering (still not sure if they can).
This is a deal breaker for me, so I'm hoping it isn't something too complicated for the devs to remove.
P.S. Let's not turn this into a morality thread. This is a place to discuss whether or not you can get WiFi tethering working without paying extra for it.
This is a huge problem, I need to tether by next Thursday.
I have a rooted GN (Sprint) and have the wifi hotspot app from google. Works perfect but for ****s and giggles I just tried to enable the built in Hotspot on my phone...and it worked?? I called sprint and they said I did not have the add on and it should not be working. My question is when I unlocked the bootloader and rooted the phone, did I unblock the hotspot and allow it to be used with no penalty from Sprint?
If someone would get back to me I would appreciate it greatly and pass out some thanks.
I don't see how the built in tethering could be blocked by you having it on your plan or not. The most I could see happening would be redirecting web requests to a page asking you to add it, or you getting a phone call from Sprint after using it. Your phone doesn't know what your plan is, so why would it not allow you to turn on the built in tethering feature?
well on my E4GT SII, When I tried to use my hotspot it would just not allow me to connect anything to it. With this one on the GNex, it allows me to connect my devices to it and use data, but without redirection or anything else. So paranoia is setting in and I dont want to see rediculous charges, but since I never received any warning so I guess they cannot charge me for anything.
Thanks for the info.
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well on my E4GT SII, When I tried to use my hotspot it would just not allow me to connect anything to it. With this one on the GNex, it allows me to connect my devices to it and use data, but without redirection or anything else. So paranoia is setting in and I dont want to see rediculous charges, but since I never received any warning so I guess they cannot charge me for anything.
Thanks for the info.
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If you want to play it safe why don't you just use the app..?
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If you want to play it safe why don't you just use the app..?
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Envy you!!!
Lucky you. Since your rooted I guess it ignores your limitations on your plans. How bout you test something else that your not allowed to use due to plan limitations if there are any others.
If so.... I hate you!!! I wanna bypass the limitations!!!!! DX
BUT NICE!!!
P.S. I JUST TRIED ACTIVATING MY HOTSPOT ON MY VERIZON GALAXY NEXUS AND IT WORKED!!!! And it is not on the the plan. Also depending on ur Rom, some roms bypass the restrictions, allowing you free access to this wonderful and magical feature!!! Use freely with no worries but overages, but you got sprint, so ur worry free!!!
So to conclude. Use it and don't tell your carrier with out fear of being billed.
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Lucky you. Since your rooted I guess it ignores your limitations on your plans. How bout you test something else that your not allowed to use due to plan limitations if there are any others.
If so.... I hate you!!! I wanna bypass the limitations!!!!! DX
BUT NICE!!!
P.S. I JUST TRIED ACTIVATING MY HOTSPOT ON MY VERIZON GALAXY NEXUS AND IT WORKED!!!! And it is not on the the plan. Also depending on ur Rom, some roms bypass the restrictions, allowing you free access to this wonderful and magical feature!!! Use freely with no worries but overages, but you got sprint, so ur worry free!!!
So to conclude. Use it and don't tell your carrier with out fear of being billed.
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They can tell when it is being used..
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They can tell when it is being used..
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Really?!?!?!
Did they tell you that??? Cuz I know ur not getting billed unless u said ur doing or asking to check if you are using it.
On my Carrier they never told me once I was using it or billed me. And I've been using an app that just breaks the restrictions as long as it's open. So Verizon should see me using it unauthorize.
I know they can tell you. But the real question is, will you get billed if you never mention you are using???
Cuz I've done my research on this a few months back and they never bill you unless u ask em about and actually dig in and see that specific thing.
Before I begin I would like to share that I just came from the AT&T forums where I was going to post this question, however while uploading it it told me to correct the highlighted problems and would not let me post, even though there were no problems and nothing highlighted... LOL.
Anyways.
I currently own an iPhone 5 with 3 Gb data, unlimited texting, and I believe 450 minutes or something like that. I have not been satisfied with this phone. It has had numerous problems, and now the infamous "Cannot connect to itunes store" problem has struck me, leaving me unable to retrieve apps and music I've payed for. I want to eventually move to whatever nexus phone (If announced) they release at Google I/O this may, but until then, would like to change to my Samsung Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus was bought directly from Google Play, and is factory unlocked to work on most GSM carriers, such as AT&T. I am wondering what I have to do to move over to the Nexus and forget the iPhone 5 exists? I've owned 4 Android devices before, all rooted and ROMed, and while I wish the stock OS felt more... stable... I do like it more then iOS (especially Paranoid Android). This is my first time, however, owning an Apple product on a contract (I've owned iPads and iTouches but obviously off contract) and I'm not sure how to proceed.
Currently I have the idea to order a sim adapter (ordered yesterday, actually, because I'd like to have one regardless) and pop the sim from my iPhone into my Nexus. I've read I'll need to switch APN settings to get data working correctly and at the appropriate speeds on the Nexus. Is that true? Will that work? I've also read I'll need to take it to the store or call AT&T to have them set it up or change the data plan. Is that what I'll have to do instead? I'm not sure which it is, whether I'll just have to change APN settings or if I'll have to go to the store for this to work, since there seems to be different stories for different phones on the forums. The one thing I really want cleared up is that if I have to have AT&T change my LTE plan to a different data plan that works with android phones, will that cost me anything? I don't want to pay a penny, I just want my 3 Gb's, messages and minutes on a different phone. Also I should mention my iPhone 5 picks up HSPA+ which is what the Galaxy Nexus uses, so I really don't see why AT&T would need to change anything or charge anything.
I wont be removing the iPhone from my plan, I just wont be using it. I am more or less going to replace my iPhone 5 with a Nexus for all my phone uses and needs. Is this going to cost me anything if I need AT&T to change the plans around for me? Do I even need to do that? If someone could please help me that would be much appreciated. Also if there is no new phone in May then I'll be switching to a GSM unlocked Nexus 4. Any thoughts or tips for if that will work too are also appreciated. Thanks! And I do apologize if this is in the wrong section. I've used this website for a lot of browsing over the years, but this is my first account and post.
(And for a company that prides themselves on making masterpieces that come "just working," my iPhone sure the hell doesn't "just work.")
Why would u switch over to iPhone anyway? Tisk tisk tisk
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Why would u switch over to iPhone anyway? Tisk tisk tisk
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You clearly haven't read the title... Or even the post have you?
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sensation lover said:
You clearly haven't read the title... Or even the post have you?
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Its stats that he had androids before and got the iPhone now wants to switch to gnex
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Its stats that he had androids before and got the iPhone now wants to switch to gnex
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He is moving back to his Galaxy Nexus, which he had before. If you aren't going to read a post and not be helpful, then don't reply.
I'm not American, so I don't know, but it should work.
I think youll have to contact att to have your 4g data provisioned from lte to hspa+ [the iphone 5 does have lte, correct?]. I had an old 3g sim card and when i got my nexus, i just stopped at the att store, explained that i needed a newer sim, and the rep gave me a new 4g sim, free of charge and the receipt said "4g for smartphone". No charge at all. And yes, to take full advantage, you'll have to change the apn from wap.cingular to a "phone" apn, which you can find by googling. Keep in mind you may not get as strong a signal with the nexus as with the iphone, which you probably already know. Small beans, if you ask me. Personally, I'd try to stay away from the sim adapters, and i've heard of some issues where you wouldnt want to mess up the sim slot. The only to use the adapter would be if your unsure you're going to stick with the nexus, and may want to jump back to the iphone, in which case you'd be going back to the att store again.
So I'll be deploying to Afghanistan soon and I'm wondering if I put my T-Mobile account on hold for the duration, I can just use the WiFi that is on base and use apps like Skype to call home. Any military members have any experience with that? So, I guess what I'm asking is, What is the best way to fully utilize my Note 2 for internet access/calling home using WiFi on base? Do I need to purchase a SIM card or something? I'm not rooted but I have experience with rooting other devices and I'm willing to do so, but right now I have no reason to. Thanks!
Yeah Skype is your best bet depending on what fob you are going to be at. If you are at a big fob or base you will most likely have WiFi if not you might be screwed and have to use the mwr to make your phone calls. Another way is to buy a haji phone when you get there, the only thing is you will spend a crap ton of money on buying minutes. How this helps and good luck on your deployment!
Yes you can do as you suggested. I would recommend you install a few other apps too.
Tango - much like Skype
Google Voice - Good for texting when overseas with your USA phone number (get a Google number or port your number over to Google)
A low cost Voip calling app - for calling land and mobile numbers - I recommend WiCall as they only cost a penny a minute as of today to call any US phone number.
Install a few messaging app for good communication fun. Whatsapp, Line Naver,
iirc phone carriers are required to unlock your phone if you are moving to an area they don't offer service. Call T-Mobile and explain you're deploying with the military. They should probably unlock the device based on that alone. You can tell them you're putting your account on "hold" as well. When you get their buy a hajji(I know Afghans aren't Arabs, they're still hostiles) chip and put it in the phone. If hajji doesn't sell microSIMs you can just cut down a regular SIM card and slide it in. Use a real microSIM to mark where to cut or file the SIM card to.
Iraq had cell service where I was in 06-07 and again in 08. No internet though. Depending on what cities you're near, you might get 3G, Kabul for instance MAY have it. I dunno. Someone where you are going may have opted for satellite internet and be looking to unload their equipment when you arrive also. You can round up some people to split the cost if you want.
edit - The SIM card is gonna be more expensive obviously, you'll want to use that if you can't get wifi for any reason, a last resort if you will.
raindoggie said:
So I'll be deploying to Afghanistan soon and I'm wondering if I put my T-Mobile account on hold for the duration, I can just use the WiFi that is on base and use apps like Skype to call home. Any military members have any experience with that? So, I guess what I'm asking is, What is the best way to fully utilize my Note 2 for internet access/calling home using WiFi on base? Do I need to purchase a SIM card or something? I'm not rooted but I have experience with rooting other devices and I'm willing to do so, but right now I have no reason to. Thanks!
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Be safe. ....... can't believe people are still being deployed for frivolous justification
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