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I know the XDA-Developers mission statement is "This site is about certain PDA-phones, made by a secretive firm called HTC in Taiwan.", but our non-phone Dell Axim x50's and x51's were also manufactured by HTC (I believe it was codenamed the HTC Colorado). Due to the new wm6 ROMs being built for our units by developers here, and the lack of support by DELL and other sites, many of us are coming here. It would be great to have a place to discuss the cool apps being created by the "XDA developers" that work, or dont work, on non-phone HTC devices and share tips and tweaks to get them working best on our devices.
I would suggest a category under "Other HTC manufactured phones" called "HTC manufactured PDA's" or "HTC manufactured non-phones", then we could list the different devices under their code names (Colorado = Dell Axim x50 series, Galaxy = Qtek/Imate , etc) or group them all together as a start to see how much traffic they get. (That is if you can find it in your heart to include us non-phone HTC device users )
I will second that.
me too.
Those threads only apply to particular HTC-built models, and are of no interest for those who doesnt own an HTC Axim.
Pls lets make a sub forum for Axims and move there those threads. both Axim owners and non owners would benefit.
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Due to the fact the Dell Axim is not an HTC device, there will be no forum or mini-forum for this PDA. Thank you.
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Actually, like I said in the first post, the Dell Axim v50 and x51 series was manufactured by HTC, and sold by Dell. It may not be an HTC phone, but it is an HTC device.
Look at this old review of the x50v when it came out.
The key part is:
While HP went to a blockier industrial form factor, Dell worked with HTC to come up with a slim, light unit with rounded features similar to the HP iPAQ 4150. ...The X50 is rock solid, and I couldn't get the PDAs to twist or creak. I haven't seen a device this solidly built in quite some time--except for my new MDA III, which I am also reviewing and that was also built by HTC.
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Also this Blog entry "Axing el Axim Or Why Dell’s PocketPC had to go "
Lets begin our journey with a visit to the Axim’s source - HTC. The Dell Axim essentially is a design by HTC(which, according to some industry insiders was rejected by HP); Dell just stamps its brand logo onto it and manages the distribution. So, HTC produces and Dell makes the big margins… . This combination stands behind many PocketPC smartphones(with a carrier instead of Dell) for sale in Austria and has worked well so far…
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You would be correct in saying it is not an XDA, but it is an HTC. Because the Dell Axim is mostly compatable with the stuff being discussed here (sans the phone stuff), you are probably getting increased traffic from us Dell users. But if it is too 'off topic' to create a common area for us, I guess we will be forced to hang out in the General forum. I can live with that (this is still a great site for advanced users).
Ok, my bad. Although I have to admit that HTC was a vital part of the axim manufacturing I have to say I'm not quite convinced that such forum should be created.
I'll pass this matter to the moderator forum though. Take a deep breath and hold on.
Ok. We have reached the verdict. There simply won't be any dell specific forum on xda-developers. Thanks for your attention.
I just think that there should be a forum for the axim because this site has become and is mostly about HTC manufactured devices and not all of the devices were offered to the public with the HTC branding, we had to purchase them with other companies that applied their logos and software. This site, i admit that it was created for pda-phones but this site has also grown and we should realize that most of the people here all use HTC devices. I do understand why not to add a thread for the Axim but we should add at least a "PPC-only" or "Other HTC Manufactured Devices" thread so that the general forums would be freed up for pda-phone topics.
I my self just bought a Axim but have a better trust in this site then others because this site was the only one that did not flame me when i was a noob (now it does flame noobs but thats because noobs don't read these days) and helped me in giving me information.
I say add a thread for the HTC Axim but if not add one for general pda's but that were manufactured by HTC, because in the future we will have a large community of Axim users and the posts will be mixed with other topics. Lets keep it organized before we get over whelm with trying to organize the forums.
Thanks, Adolfo N.
PS: I know about your verdict about not adding the thread but just wanted to say this and maybe change your mind. Thanks Again.
LOL Oh well, maybe theres an abandoned section (where no recent posts have been made) here we can use and talk there.
Everyone involved with X5#v would just have to mark in their sigs as to where we are now. :/
It might not be an Axim sub forum but atleast we'd have some order to the vast thread piles that are soon to come.
LOL reason being we can't even hold these talks at "Axim"site , sad really...
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Ok. We have reached the verdict. There simply won't be any dell specific forum on xda-developers. Thanks for your attention.
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I wont question "the verdict" as this is their site to moderate as they please. It was worth a shot. (At least they are allowing the Axim threads and not banning them altogether). I still can track my own list of interesting threads by subscribing to them. It just makes it difficult for quickly seeing new threads among the others in the general forum. I suggest posters of Dell specific threads should all place 'DELL AXIM' and the model number in the beginning of the thread topic so they can be found with a simple search.
The sad thing is that HTC makes great PDAs as well as Phones. Its not just that Dell abandoned the Axim line, but the industry (and the forums) are abandoning the PDA-only format altogether. (Even Aximsite has moved more toward the all inclusive MobilitySite by merging them). My request was not just for a DELL specific forum, but for an HTC PDA-only specific area where the Dell Axim would be just a part.
But as vlodeck said, "There simply won't be any Dell specific forum on xda-developers." End of story.
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I wont question "the verdict" as this is their site to moderate as they please. It was worth a shot.
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My request was not just for a DELL specific forum, but for an HTC PDA-only specific area where the Dell Axim would be just a part.
But as vlodeck said, "There simply won't be any Dell specific forum on xda-developers." End of story.
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May be the "court of appeal" gives a second thought about it.
Forum thus becaming tidier for the benefit of both owners and non owners of PDA non phone edition.
having more names gives it more exposure so maybe its agood thing
Not about the money, but you are in a room full of wood chucks and politicians dell may have never kicked in to one these countries or its personal cause things change quick and thats for sure in hear. But until you can get a post a day maybe just use the main board i mean i ask for **** and its right place. XDA is what this is and u got to respect that but i guarantee its personal opinion which to me is good for not selling but bad cause sometimes things when you use emotion rather than logic!
I would appreciate that you might get what u need here stay long enough you'll get to an all dell place for sure just don't say anything it very sensitive here. I didn't realize what continent i was on.
I love XDA, I love the people here and I truly beleive there is no other place like it on the net.
I'm moving over to Android and I have already seen a few threads popping up around the subject on here.
My question is will the XDA admin be looking at extending support to other Android phones than the G1 including those made by other OEMs like Samsung and will the site carry on supporting those in the same way Winmo has been.
I dont believe Android is going any where and I would like to see the site expand to embrace it and continue been the number on place to use your phone properly as well as trying out new stuff.
PS Admin - feel free to change the title if you want.
Terran
The general rule on this site is that devices can only have a forum if manufactured by HTC.
Requests for Non-HTC Windows Mobile device forums have not been accepted by the admins, so I think it is safe to assume that Non-HTC Android device forums will also, not be created.
Thanks
Dave
Sort General Forum by OS?
Can I pose a suggestion here? I know that the site is for HTC devices and the devices now come in different OS flavours. Should there be a separation on the subforuns (fora?) by OS now? There are more threads for the Android (and it is gonna be big soon!) coming up and it is getting even more confusing to sift through the posts even more so on the General area and it would be easier for everybody to identify what they want and how to help. No offence here but some other sites already sort things by OS and it looks much neater the way they do.
Cheers! All the best.
DaveShaw said:
The general rule on this site is that devices can only have a forum if manufactured by HTC.
Requests for Non-HTC Windows Mobile device forums have not been accepted by the admins, so I think it is safe to assume that Non-HTC Android device forums will also, not be created.
Thanks
Dave
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i can understand why they would do such a thing. however. This site is THE best on the web for everything HTC but also for everything WINMO. there is a lot on here with the omnia and Xperia becausreit's the same OS. I think XDA-devs should allow other phones on here as long as the developers here are working on them then lets have the forums.
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Can I pose a suggestion here? I know that the site is for HTC devices and the devices now come in different OS flavours. Should there be a separation on the subforuns (fora?) by OS now? There are more threads for the Android (and it is gonna be big soon!) coming up and it is getting even more confusing to sift through the posts even more so on the General area and it would be easier for everybody to identify what they want and how to help. No offence here but some other sites already sort things by OS and it looks much neater the way they do.
Cheers! All the best.
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no need for that imo....the forum is very precise and easy to use and there isn't much confusion...so no need for that....
and in a few years (hopefully) we will overcome WM and you will have WM manufactured devices running android and linux with great reliability
...i mean when did MS care for reliability
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i can understand why they would do such a thing. however. This site is THE best on the web for everything HTC but also for everything WINMO. there is a lot on here with the omnia and Xperia becausreit's the same OS. I think XDA-devs should allow other phones on here as long as the developers here are working on them then lets have the forums.
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the thing in being strictly htc forum is that we do not want bunch of nokias and other devices around here...
the forum would be destroyed and not usable if there were all those manufacturers.....mobile telephones are one huge field and one forum can't deal with it
xperia is a htc...otherwise it wouldn't be in the forum...the omnia is not and there is no official forum for it.....but as you could probably see bunch of guys gather in the general forum...and that really sucks because they were asked not to and they still do (they do not respect the forum or pay any attention to it imo)....and mods can't deal with it because of their time and resources
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the thing in being strictly htc forum is that we do not want bunch of nokias and other devices around here...
the forum would be destroyed and not usable if there were all those manufacturers.....mobile telephones are one huge field and one forum can't deal with it
xperia is a htc...otherwise it wouldn't be in the forum...the omnia is not and there is no official forum for it.....but as you could probably see bunch of guys gather in the general forum...and that really sucks because they were asked not to and they still do (they do not respect the forum or pay any attention to it imo)....and mods can't deal with it because of their time and resources
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i apologise i didnt realise xperia was htc as well. no i too dont want nokia users here lol. i suppose the compromise is keep the forum htc phones but allow in depth use of the resources for the OS's. android has a place here as it is used by h... you know what i'm writing this and thinking to myself actually I DONT want loads of other phones here. I like the fact that XDA-devs are the best there is and you do that by being a specialist not a generalist.
so to summarise. keep things as they are.
what a waste or forum space this post was. I am ashamed.
i did have an android section on the winmo site but ive took it down until there is an actual need for it to be there
at the minute there ist a lot of non htc android device but they are coming so until that time there is no point in me havineg an android section thats gonna stay empty until there is interst
but when the devices come and you need a forum then hit me a line ill start putting android forum support again
Hey Everyone,
As mentioned in my earlier post (please read if you have not yet already), we are considering adding non-HTC forums to the site, and are curious to hear which ones should be first. We're considering devices such as the Motorola Droid/CLIQ, plus the Samsung Omnia II and/or Acer neoTouch. What are your thoughts? We're listening!
P.S. The below excerpt is taken from my first post, and should help answer some questions.
svetius; said:
Finally-- and hopefully this doesn't cause a mass uproar-- we are considering the idea of selectively adding non-HTC device forums (focused on Windows Mobile and Android devices). Every day we get requests from users for this, and there's really no good reason why we cannot oblige them. Already the discussion is happening in the general forums. That said, we will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.
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MOD EDIT - The following devices are due to be added Thursday morning (CET time):
Acer neoTouch F1 S200
Acer Liquid A1 S100
Samsung Omnia II
Toshiba TG01
There may be a slight delay in adding these so no more request for the above devices
HP iPAQ HX4700
HP iPAQ HX4700, even though it is a HTC made device, would love to have a forum for it, willing to moderate as i have plenty of spare time
Much Thanks
Badwolve1
PS, YES!!! Second Post on both threads
Long overdue!
At last !
This is a very nice forum, resourceful , frequented by the "developers" yet user/noob friendly.
People like me were / are dismayed when requests-questions for non HTC devices are placed in the hacking forum where you just cannot keep track of the threads.
More and more WM/android based devices are launched now and we should have a separate forum for them.
Maybe we can first demand a few requests for a particular device before starting a dedicated forum so that it would not fizzle out in the long run and the whole site becomes cluttered unneccessarily.
From my experience, the most requested one is: Omnia
I think the droid should make the first entry, its really popular. But thats just my opinion.
hell,whose idea was this...??
you are breaking our firs tenant which says "made by a firm called HTC"
we stood for the idea for a long time and prevented such forums to be crated and now comes some "user experience admin" who works for the "unhappy samsung motorola crowd" selling some controversial ideas
come on people,don't be ridiculous...
GREAT,just great....you could also say hello to iPhone and crappy nokias....which we fought for a long time.......great job traitor
Yes, OMNIA II and why not iPhone?
An i780 forum won't be bad too. This is the best site for i780 even if it's not (yet) officialy supported. There are several roms for it on xda and there's also an android porting for this device.
Maybe a brand forum will be great too. For example a samsung or acer or anythig else forum with some subforums like rom developemente, q&a and general discussions.
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Yes, OMNIA II and why not iPhone?
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Omnia 2 is winmo, this forum is for WINMO + ANDROID ONLY!!! iPhone can go somewhere else for the people who like it
I still want one for my HTC MADE IPAQ, its in the WIKI under HTC Roadster
but hey this is..or at least was htc forum and not winmo and android forum...so...if we are expanding towards samsung,motorola and some others,why don't we go for apple too
think about it
i mean i'm not supporting any of that but....higher force wants to try it out,so if we are opening our gates for non htcs....apple is also nonhtc...so what's the difference
Toshiba TG01
Acer S200
Omnia 1 and 2
If Xda is considering to open new foruns, lets open for new top mobiles that are/were best sellers
Thanks for the feedback thus far, it's helpful. We're indeed going to stick with just Windows Mobile and Android.
But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?
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But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?
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i talked to svetius via pm and this was almost the same thing i said to him
and for the
svetius said:
Thanks for the feedback thus far, it's helpful. We're indeed going to stick with just Windows Mobile and Android.
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what about "brew" platform which comes with new htc smart
maybe the "xda-developers.com" should be changed to "apple-haters.com" because as i see everything except apple is welcome
just to make it clear....i'm absolutely not voting for apple (although i love macs),i'm just giving you something to think about...pointing finger towards the paradox so everybody could see it
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But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?
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As mentioned in my first post earlier today...
We will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.
I hope this helps.
I say expand to the iPhone field....wouldn't hurt to add it to the forums....we can say we hate it and that it suxs...whatever. XDA harbors people that want to push their phone's limits. I've been a follower of XDA for a while now, even when I had my iPhone, because the amount of talent in these forums are awesome. I say open the flood gates and bring in iPhone OS to the table. Droid and the new Dell Android would be great as well. My 2 cents
I kind of want to see a forum for the HTC Smart, running that Brew OS and a forum for the Android SE Xperia X10 and WM X2.
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but hey this is..or at least was htc forum and not winmo and android forum
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Official or not, this site has ALWAYS been a winmo forum. Given that HTC's devices mostly ran winmo, that's pretty much unavoidable - unless you think that all discussion/development of software that runs on non-HTC winmo devices should be banned, anyway. And the same goes for Android, now that it comprises ~half of HTC's product lineup - unless you think that half of HTC's current phones should be banned from an 'HTC forum'.
YES to new forums
I've been following XDA-Devs for quite some time now (over a year and a half, to be exact) ever since I gleefully bought my AT&T Tilt, and then was frustrated with it within a week. Prior to that, I have owned & happily modded several PPC's. I lurked on these forums for over a year before joining and asking anything. Almost every question I had was answered by patiently searching. So Junior Member, yes. Noob...not quite.
That being said, I am very heavily leaning towards replacing my battle-scarred Tilt with a Samsung Omnia II instead of a TP2 variant. Lots of pros, very few cons, at least for the things I use my device for the most. One of the BIGGEST cons, however, would be that I would lose the guidance, support, knowledge and hard-earned wisdom of the people that post here by straying from HTC.
And so I hesitate.
I've likely read posts into the multiple thousands here, and despite the device or app, or even OS under discussion, one theme runs through it all:
We love messing with our phones.
Better, stronger, faster, smarter, louder, brighter, more fun ..... ad infinitum.
So, for the sake of that common goal, I say add new forums. Break them down by manufacturer. Even iPhones. All those people that bought one, only to discover the limitations of their expensive "cool" new phone? Let's help those poor saps too, ok?
YES to new forums!!
Hi everyone,
You might remember me from the TG01 with WP7 project.
Just wanted to let you know that I am selling these two devices at ebay: Asus E600 and LG GW910:
MOD EDIT
Since these are engineering devices, they will be easily updateable to WP8
Regards
wp7tg01 said:
Hi everyone,
You might remember me from the TG01 with WP7 project.
Just wanted to let you know that I am selling these two devices at ebay: Asus E600 and LG GW910:
Since these are engineering devices, they will be easily updateable to WP8
Regards
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Nice One Advantageous sale.
XDA Marketplace?
OP the XDA Market Place is the way to go, as per forum rules. Thank You & Thread Closed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
I'd recommend that we put Nexus devices into their own subforum. They've got their own family of products now. Sure, they're manufactured by different companies (Samsung, Asus, LG, HTC, etc.), but they're run and updated by Google. Using the current logic, most of the phones on this website would probably belong in a Foxconn subforum.
So, with a Google subforum, we'd have;
-Nexus One
-Nexus S
-Galaxy Nexus
-Nexus 4
-Nexus 7
-Nexus 10
I think if you post here it would be more appropriate and you get better chances of it happening..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987254
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Deadly. said:
I think if you post here it would be more appropriate and you get better chances of it happening..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987254
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Nope. Post was deleted there. Moderator said he wanted input, but then said he didn't want input.
jaykresge said:
Nope. Post was deleted there. Moderator said he wanted input, but then said he didn't want input.
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Well, there are 2 threads ... so, I guess I'm confused on what goes where sometimes as the border gets close.. anyway, it was heard..
If its going to get implemented... for that its been pointed out..
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OK it really simple why this is not a great idea. The hardware is also a big deal. Due to hardware diffs just because something works on one device it doesn't mean it will work on others. Had this been 5 years ago that would not have been a problem. With the current state of most users the forums would be filled with bricked device threads. Keeping them separated lowers the chance of this.
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zelendel said:
OK it really simple why this is not a great idea. The hardware is also a big deal. Due to hardware diffs just because something works on one device it doesn't mean it will work on others. Had this been 5 years ago that would not have been a problem. With the current state of most users the forums would be filled with bricked device threads. Keeping them separated lowers the chance of this.
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That can apply to any phone. The Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, and Galaxy S III all have different hardware. Yet, they all fall under Samsung.
All I'm saying is that the Nexus devices should be under Google (the company providing them direct support), and not under Samsung, Asus, LG, etc.
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That can apply to any phone. The Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, and Galaxy S III all have different hardware. Yet, they all fall under Samsung.
All I'm saying is that the Nexus devices should be under Google (the company providing them direct support), and not under Samsung, Asus, LG, etc.
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Google is only supplying software support. They still look to LG for hardware issues and that is how devices are grouped. By hardware OEM. When Google Makes a Nexus then it will go into a Google section. Until then they will go under the OEM that makes them.
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That can apply to any phone. The Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, and Galaxy S III all have different hardware. Yet, they all fall under Samsung.
All I'm saying is that the Nexus devices should be under Google (the company providing them direct support), and not under Samsung, Asus, LG, etc.
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The thing is... That's an end user view on this.
From a developer perspective, what matters more is who MADE it... Not who supports it. The Nexus S is a "google" phone according to this logic, but in reality it shares much more with other Samsung phones, and is more linked to those than it is to the Nexus one...
Same for all the other Nexii... The Optimus G and the Nexus 4 are basically the same phone, other than removable SD and locked bootloader. They have more in common than the Nexus 4 has with the other Nexii.
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The thing is... That's an end user view on this.
From a developer perspective, what matters more is who MADE it... Not who supports it. The Nexus S is a "google" phone according to this logic, but in reality it shares much more with other Samsung phones, and is more linked to those than it is to the Nexus one...
Same for all the other Nexii... The Optimus G and the Nexus 4 are basically the same phone, other than removable SD and locked bootloader. They have more in common than the Nexus 4 has with the other Nexii.
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Take a look at my sig, I'm currently developing a forum for these devices and hope to build a nice community.