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Did you see the Galaxy Note ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlgVLblVSu8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Man I can't wait to get my hands on it. Big screen, perfect portable size, huge battery... waiting for you early adopters to find the bugs. this is awesome news !

You're aware of that this is the Windows Phone forum and that is an Android device?

this could go in several subforums.. the streak section, the general android discussion section, even the infuse 4g section. you somehow picked one of the least relevant sections! this has absolutely nothing to do with windows phone.

Sir. Haxalot said:
You're aware of that this is the Windows Phone forum and that is an Android device?
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Absolutely.
Skip the software and look at the hardware. A manufacturer finally listened:
2600mah battery
5.3" super hd display
Dual cores (if you care)
Annnnnnnd a stylis, I know some of the old wm 6.x folks have been missing that like crazy on wp7
Can't wait to see the full specs and see what the early adopters find for bugs in the hardware. This is a pivotal moment in hardare. Finally adopting a good size for a tablet, and finally adding a decent sized battery.
Don't hate the hardware !

ohgood said:
this is awesome news !
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Awesome news or not, its in the wrong news section.

ohgood said:
Absolutely.
Skip the software and look at the hardware. A manufacturer finally listened:
2600mah battery
5.3" super hd display
Dual cores (if you care)
Annnnnnnd a stylis, I know some of the old wm 6.x folks have been missing that like crazy on wp7
Can't wait to see the full specs and see what the early adopters find for bugs in the hardware. This is a pivotal moment in hardare. Finally adopting a good size for a tablet, and finally adding a decent sized battery.
Don't hate the hardware !
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But what has this got to do with Windows Phone 7? There is nothing remotely connecting this to WP7 so why is your post in this section?

efjay said:
But what has this got to do with Windows Phone 7? There is nothing remotely connecting this to WP7 so why is your post in this section?
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The hardware, wp users love good hardware just as much as anyone. Didn't think it was offensive...but
Ok, delete the thread, keep everything here wp7 centric and never look over the fence. I'm fine with that.

ohgood said:
The hardware, wp users love good hardware just as much as anyone. Didn't think it was offensive...but
Ok, delete the thread, keep everything here wp7 centric and never look over the fence. I'm fine with that.
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Well this IS the WP7 General forum, if you are posting this just for the hardware specs why not post when any other android/symbian/Blackberry device with nice specs is announced? And not once did you mention how nice it would be to have WP7 running on this, your post was solely just a push for an android device. Doesnt belong here. Maybe you should ask for a dedicated hardware forum where such things can be posted.

Not relevant to WP7...

[Q] Why is the Galaxy Nexus the red headed stepchild?

I saw one commercial around original launch time for the galaxy nexus, and honestly it pushed Google+ harder than the hardware itself. I have not seen any unlocked galaxy nexus commercials in the US. I like having the exclusive phone and all, but this seems a bit ridiculous. There is no reason the galaxy nexus couldn't have way outperformed the note in sales. I still get asked all the time when I pay with google wallet, "Is that an iPhone?". No. "Oh, is that a droid?" No! Its cute to know there are so many ignorant people out there at first. However, it tends to get irritating that google spends so much time and so many resources on ICS to make it the beautiful experience that it is and then just watches the nexus line flop hopelessly on the floor while the cumbersome touchwiz and bloated sense dominate the market.
Can someone please explain to me why Google and Samsung insist on wasting all this time and all these resources on building such a great product to only slide it into a bookshelf to collect dust as it were?

Samsung has bigger fish to fry (SGII and probably the SGIII) which due to crapware probably make more money from these phones, and Google advertises on their own sites but wouldn't make a lot of sense for them to push a phone that they probably only make little profit off of.
Enjoy the fact that you have a phone that will get JB before basically anyone else, that you have stock android, and that you have one of the greatest dev community's of all time. OF ALL TIME!
Also, go into a Verizon store, you wouldn't even think that they sold a GNexus where I live (Pittsburgh, PA), Multiple Motorola/HTC shrines while the GNexus sits right next to the Bionic in the corner of forgotten phones.

I honestly don't know and I can't tell you. There's two things Google sucks at terribly: marketing and support.
Microsoft is in a similar boat. It doesn't matter how much either company innovates, they are incapable of letting people know their products exist and they fall to the wayside.
I loved Windows Media Centre when it first came out. But version after version of it has come and gone and little features have been added. I eventually switched to XBMC. Why? Because no one knows what Windows Media Centre is. Microsoft isn't wasting time on it for the few guys with TV tuners.
Take the above example and substitute almost all Google products in there. Wave, Buzz, even Google Docs. I use it all the time and it's a great product, but people see it and have no clue it exists. For that matter I doubt they even know you can use Microsoft's web based Word with SkyDrive.
The tech companies seem to be in this funk where they compete against each other for features, but forget to inform the public that they're even offering the services they launch. It's no wonder that Apple is dominating, look at how much more they spend on campaigns. iPod ads plastered all over buildings... even seniors know the word iPod even if they don't know what it is.
All Google needs to do to take over the world is hire people from Apple's marketing team. Make something viral. The last time they had that was with the Google search engine itself and Gmail. G+ while it's nice, only boomed with the intake of new tech heads. Sign-ups died right after because no consumers know it exists and Google has failed to tell them why it's any better than Facebook.
Here in my city, the Galaxy Nexus is actually kind of popular, but that's only because Bell and Virgin put out big billboards for it's launch. I say kind of, because those billboards are gone now that the launch is over. Bet you there's still a huge iPhone 4s sign in all of those stores though.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1382163

WiredPirate said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1382163
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Wow really? This isn't a phone tech question but rather a topic of discussion.

spencer88 said:
Wow really? This isn't a phone tech question but rather a topic of discussion.
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Not a question? lmao
[Q] Why is the Galaxy Nexus the red headed stepchild?
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By the tone of your post I think you are comparing your phone to a soulless bastard ginger.
I on the other hand I compare mine to that sleek sexy read head with an attitude and a desire to get dirty.

geez, how many more of these kinds of posts are we going to see?

Here... now everyone can feel better and we can go about our day.

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It says "!!ALL QUESTIONS GO IN THE Q&A FORUM!!", that's pretty clear.

Was this same bull**** present for the Nexus S and Nexus One?
Because I didn't see much for advertisement with them either.
Not that I care-- I don't purchase or put value on my purchases by how much they are marketed or known.
That said, I don't flaunt my phone around to a bunch of looky-lous for attention either.

adrynalyne said:
Was this same bull**** present for the Nexus S and Nexus One?
Because I didn't see much for advertisement with them either.
Not that I care-- I don't purchase or put value on my purchases by how much they are marketed or known.
That said, I don't flaunt my phone around to a bunch of looky-lous for attention either.
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The Nexus One was considered a flop by the industry. I personally was fully behind Google selling fully unlocked phones. I think if they could have gotten the price a bit less inflated and marketed it properly, the Nexus line could be more than it is now. I just don't think Google is that interested in selling phones. It's about the money and that comes from the licencing they get from other manufacturers.

thequinox said:
The Nexus One was considered a flop by the industry. I personally was fully behind Google selling fully unlocked phones. I think if they could have gotten the price a bit less inflated and marketed it properly, the Nexus line could be more than it is now. I just don't think Google is that interested in selling phones. It's about the money and that comes from the licencing they get from other manufacturers.
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I wasn't aware that Google licensed Android to OEM's. Pretty sure it's free because it's under the GPL.

No it is not under the GPL. Most of it is Apache licensed, with a few things under GPL. There are also closed source portions. Some things do have to be licensed to OEMs. Otherwise, they would never legally be able to offer google apps on their devices ootb, be able to sync with Google Calendar, and several other things.

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No it is not under the GPL. Most of it is Apache licensed, with a few things under GPL. There are also closed source portions. Some things do have to be licensed to OEMs. Otherwise, they would never legally be able to offer google apps on their devices ootb, be able to sync with Google Calendar, and several other things.
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Ahh I forgot about the proprietary Google Apps. Makes sense.

thequinox said:
The Nexus One was considered a flop by the industry. I personally was fully behind Google selling fully unlocked phones. I think if they could have gotten the price a bit less inflated and marketed it properly, the Nexus line could be more than it is now. I just don't think Google is that interested in selling phones. It's about the money and that comes from the licencing they get from other manufacturers.
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It's a reference phone. That's all that is. This reference phone has two purposes:
1) Flagship device: "beta" test the next Android update with newer hardware.
2) Reference... its a prototype to suggest what the minimum hardware should be.
Nexus One set the standard for all future phones to have a 1GHz CPU.
I agree with adrynalyne. The Galaxy Nexus has a great developer community and support with great ROMs/kernels. I can really care less if the Galaxy Nexus isn't as popular as a iPhone or Galaxy S series. Just know that the Galaxy Nexus is a flagship device and will get Android 5.0 before any other phones get it (with the exception of the next "Nexus" flagship)

Galaxy SIII Leaked

Looks like the Galaxy SIII might have gotten leaked in Vietnam.
"According to the specifications leaked, the phone houses a 4.6-inch display at 720 x 1184 resolution (320 DPI, depending on whether you include those on-screen Android buttons), while a quad-core 1.4 GHz processor works on keeping the Ice Cream Sandwich OS running smoothly. Other hardware mentions include 1GB of RAM, 8-megapixel camera, 16GB of storage plus microSD capability."
There's a video included too. Would be interesting if these specs point to what the next Nexus hardware might be if Sammy gets to build the next Nexus again.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/20/galaxy-s-iii-leak/

Not sure why the "Galaxy Nexus General" forum has turned into "Any New or Rumored Device" Forum.

Because the last two Nexus have had very close specs to whatever the Samsung Galaxy offers. If the next Nexus device is indeed a Samsung device again than this can give us somewhat of a glimpse of what to expect.

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Because the last two Nexus have had very close specs to whatever the Samsung Galaxy offers? If the next Nexus device is indeed a Samsung device again than this can give us somewhat of a glimpse of what to expect?
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But its not a Nexus. And its not this phone. You have to realize that these threads were made for the RAZR, Rezound, RAZR Maxx, HTC One X, One S, etc. etc. etc. If its not a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus related, it really has no place here. This isn't a "post about new devices" forum, that's what Android General forum is for.
May I recommend:
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Android General Forum

For better or worst history has shown Samsung Galaxy variants and the Nexus program share some things.
Is there a non device specific nexus forum or is Android general pretty much it?
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He's right. This had no place in the Galaxy Nexus forum at all.
Just think...some of us are locked into a contract for 2 years (myself included) and won't be purchasing a GSIII and possible the next Nexus phone....think of the logic....there's no point in drooling over something you can't necessarily have.
So please, can we keep Galaxy Nexus General on-topic and productive?
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Guys I understand your point but my reasoning for posting wasn't for drooling over a device. I have never owned a non Nexus Android device outside of the G1. My reasoning behind the post was because as crazy as it sounds I just thought we can have some sort of wild speculation amongst Nexus enthusiasts over what might be in store for the Nexus program next. Given the correlation between the Galaxy S > Nexus S & Galaxy SII > Galaxy Nexus I thought we might have some sort of foresight through the Galaxy SIII to whatever the next Nexus device might be. Ofcourse its a big IF since no one knows who is building the next one (hence speculating). I thought it would be fun and lets be honest outside of the Nexus forums who really cares to partake in a discussion about potential future Nexus hardware? No need to take the fun out of the forums.
We could've been knee deep in Nexus talks by now instead of disputing forum law. So if this is off topic then by all means close or move it but if anyone else wants to chime in please don't let the forum police deter you from doing so.
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Guys I understand your point but my reasoning for posting wasn't for drooling over a device. I have never owned a non Nexus Android device outside of the G1. My reasoning behind the post was because as crazy as it sounds I just thought we can have some sort of wild speculation amongst Nexus enthusiasts over what might be in store for the Nexus program next. Given the correlation between the Galaxy S > Nexus S & Galaxy SII > Galaxy Nexus I thought we might have some sort of foresight through the Galaxy SIII to whatever the next Nexus device might be. Ofcourse its a big IF since no one knows who is building the next one (hence speculating). I thought it would be fun and lets be honest outside of the Nexus forums who really cares to partake in a discussion about potential future Nexus hardware? No need to take the fun out of the forums.
We could've been knee deep in Nexus talks by now instead of disputing forum law. So if this is off topic then by all means close or move it but if anyone else wants to chime in please don't let the forum police deter you from doing so.
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I doubt the next Nexus will feature the new A15 Exynos quad cores and mali's....they aren't open source.
This thread is still irrelevant.
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Smokeey said:
He's right. This had no place in the Galaxy Nexus forum at all.
Just think...some of us are locked into a contract for 2 years (myself included) and won't be purchasing a GSIII and possible the next Nexus phone....think of the logic....there's no point in drooling over something you can't necessarily have.
So please, can we keep Galaxy Nexus General on-topic and productive?
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Agree with the sentiment about the posting to a General site. but I strongly disagree with you on not being able to drool over something you cannot have.
I am in contract, I will drool..... AND I will get me a new S3 when it comes out when it pleases me.

Galaxy S III like Galaxy Nexus upgrade version, Galaxy S III have bigger battery (2050mAh), faster CUP/GPU (Quad-Core) and 8-megapixel camera !

lets hope quality control is better on these phones and we see less screens issues ie blotchs colour tinting and transparant lines / banding problems, somehow i doubt it thou :/

Op's diapers leaked.
bow chicka wow wow.

I like to have a new phone every major software update. The jump from gingerbread to ics on the s2 looks the same from the outside. I don't need that much power. All I need is a new experience every year.
Edit: all that while still using the same phone.

Semi-Rant: Tired of People Saying the Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus

I am tired and weary of combating all of these claims, when they simply are not true.
What makes a Nexus device? Overall, the Google marketing? team responsible for it names the device. They decide what falls under the Nexus moniker. It is a name, and nothing more. I know a lot of people think it means it is a developer phone. No, it does not mean that. The Nexus Q has the Nexus name, but I really doubt you will be seeing AOSP support for it. Time will tell.
Is the Nexus a developer phone? Sure. Is it marketed or expected to be a phone specifically for developers? No.
In the past, Google has released an ADP, short for Android Developer Phone. There was the ADP1, ADP2, ADP3 (which turned out to be the Nexus One). These phones were not sold at carrier locations, not subsidized, and specifically meant for developers. It was before my time with Android, but I believe the ADP1 (basically an unlocked G1) required you to register with Google as a developer. The ADP2 came out later, and once again Google made it clear it was not meant for non-developers.
The Nexus devices were when Google decided to meld developer and end user devices. The Nexus One was provided unsubsidized from Google for a time, and subsidized through Tmobile. Verizon took a shot at it, but canceled the phone early on in testing. These phones did not require registration as a developer, and were sold in carrier stores.
The Nexus S expanded upon this. It was available to multiple carriers subsidized. Sprint received a model called the Nexus S 4G. It had full AOSP support with the exception of WIMAX (I think). Google had resdistribution licenses for Gingerbread and all was right in the world. Yes, the 4G received updates slower than the plain Nexus S, but it still received them. It was a Nexus device.
Fast forward to today. The Galaxy Nexus has been released as GSM, and CDMA/LTE. Verizon gets updated directly from Google, but does not authorize them for OTA until they meet their 'quality standard'. Then Google throws the switch. Google builds them, through and through. The Verizon model has been the center of controversy for some time because Google was unable to obtain redistrubtion licenses for the proprietary blobs. It still had all of the code needed to build from AOSP though, but without CDMA or LTE. This was because Google could not give us the proprietary files needed to make such things work. Their hands were tied, because it is closed source. So, Google threw their hands up in the air and told the world after they tried to obtain the rights for a while when 4.0.3 came out. Did it change anything? A little. It was made clear that because the licenses could not be obtained, that AOSP would include what it always has for CDMA/LTE, but not the proprietaries for download. In addition, it meant that Google would no longer pay someone to test the CDMA/LTE code in AOSP because they cannot even support a full build due to the licensing issues. This ruling extended to all CDMA devices, even the Nexus S 4G. This has never been an issue with GSM, because Google has a license to redistribute the blobs.
What does this change? Well for one, it is up to us to find our own CDMA/LTE blobs from a rom or phone. By the way, we aren't allowed to do this if you follow the license. We do anyway
It also means if/when we find a bug in the CDMA/LTE AOSP code, we cannot expect Google to fix it. I don't really foresee this becoming an issue, but it could.
Now, back to the original subject. Does it mean the Verizon phone isn't a Nexus? I mean, it has BLOAT (apks and libs for Verizon apps to work as well as Backup Assistant for those coming from feature phones).
No! It is a Nexus. Every device has proprietary blobs. The Verizon model has a couple more. The Sprint model has a few more than that. However, who cares? Do you guys think the yakjuxx variants are not Nexus devices? They get updates even slower than Verizon or Sprint. Nexus devices can exist, even if Google cancels AOSP tomorrow. AOSP does not make a Nexus device. A design and vision that Google oversees makes a Nexus. Thats it.
All devices have open and closed sourced items.
All devices have proprietary blobs.
It doesn't matter that Verizon includes a couple extra items, or decides to test updates longer than Google. As I mentioned before, not everything on ANY Nexus device is open source.
GSM requires proprietary blobs.
CDMA requires proprietary blobs.
A licensing issue does not undo a device from being a Nexus. Neither do delayed carrier updates. If you live in the US and have a subsidized or network locked device, you should expect that the carrier has control over your hardware. There is no other way to put it, but it does not change the overall nature of the device. Not all Nexus updates are coming from Google anymore as well. Yakjuxx variants as well as Sprint's Toroplus model get updates built from Samsung.
Ok, I want to say a lot more, but I will stop here.

A nexus is a nexus, but I didn't like that fact Verizon wanted to **** around with the software causing a standoff between them and Google.

I'm sorry but I think that the Verizon nexus is a joke for one main reason. A true Nexus device gets updates directly from Google not once the Carrier makes modifications and feels they want release the update.
..Gromet
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Gromet said:
I'm sorry but I think that the Verizon nexus is a joke for one main reason. A true Nexus device gets updates directly from Google not once the Carrier makes modifications and feels they want release the update.
..Gromet
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I had 4.1 on my CDMA Toroplus within 24hrs of the announcement. That's why I got a Nexus. Who cares when the carriers are gonna push the OTA?

Gromet said:
I'm sorry but I think that the Verizon nexus is a joke for one main reason. A true Nexus device gets updates directly from Google not once the Carrier makes modifications and feels they want release the update.
..Gromet
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This. I have the sprint nexus and I'm def getting one off the play store and slapping an att sim in there next time.
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Gromet said:
I'm sorry but I think that the Verizon nexus is a joke for one main reason. A true Nexus device gets updates directly from Google not once the Carrier makes modifications and feels they want release the update.
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Verizon makes no modifications to anything Google does. Verizon doesn't even develop their own software. They send Google what they want on the device. What you like or dislike does not change the device from being a Nexus.
Moving on...

phatmanxxl said:
A nexus is a nexus, but I didn't like that fact Verizon wanted to **** around with the software causing a standoff between them and Google.
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What standoff? The one the blogosphere invented? I've seen nothing official from Google confirming any standoff.
I sure see a lot of proprietary apks on the Sprint version. Did you here of any dicking around and standoff between Sprint an Google?
Backup Assistant and an Account Management application are hardly a standoff-ish issue. The software was added in, and does not modify any of the actual base code.

jesusice said:
I had 4.1 on my CDMA Toroplus within 24hrs of the announcement. That's why I got a Nexus. Who cares when the carriers are gonna push the OTA?
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I beat you by 12 hours or so, but yeah, same deal. Try that with any other non-Nexus device (and have it fully working).

Folks, likes or dislikes have nothing to do with this thread. I have my own issues about how Verizon handles things.
The thread is about the device being a Nexus, not personal feelings.

Why do people treat this kind of crap like it's Religion?

I believe the reason why people think this is because of the sensational headlines "blogs" create to draw clicks. There are a handful of Android specific blogs (which I won't name) that post the most far-fetched of rumors and the "doomsday" headlines with the sole purpose of creating traffic.
People need to draw their own conclusions on things instead of taking what "Joe Bag 'O Donuts" on [insert] tech blog as fact.

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Why do people treat this kind of crap like it's Religion?
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More importantly, why do people continue to spread FUD regardless of facts?
Funny how people said we wouldn't see 4.0.4 factory images, wrong. This CDMA nexus bashing is lame and tiresome.
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El Daddy said:
I believe the reason why people think this is because of the sensational headlines "blogs" create to draw clicks. There are a handful of Android specific blogs (which I won't name) that post the most far-fetched of rumors and the "doomsday" headlines with the sole purpose of creating traffic.
People need to draw their own conclusions on things instead of taking what "Joe Bag 'O Donuts" on [insert] tech blog as fact.
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This.
What I wouldn't give to see every blog out there nuked from existence. Do you guys remember the Internet, before blogs existed?
Better days...
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I also can't help but think (especially how some of the inital responses were), that some GSM users feel that Nexus is an exclusive club and CDMA users are not invited.
Just a gut feeling I get from some people. Not relevant to thread or original post content.

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I had 4.1 on my CDMA Toroplus within 24hrs of the announcement. That's why I got a Nexus. Who cares when the carriers are gonna push the OTA?
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^THIS^

adrynalyne said:
I also can't help but think (especially how some of the inital responses were), that some GSM users feel that Nexus is an exclusive club and CDMA users are not invited.
Just a gut feeling I get from some people. Not relevant to thread or original post content.
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I hate exclusivity. It's like High School all over again.

adrynalyne said:
I also can't help but think (especially how some of the inital responses were), that some GSM users feel that Nexus is an exclusive club and CDMA users are not invited.
Just a gut feeling I get from some people. Not relevant to thread or original post content.
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This. Especially when I hear comments like, "Enjoy waiting [x] months for an update." Just because I have a CDMA Nexus doesn't mean I don't have a "true" Nexus. Even various GSM Nexus models are still officially stuck on 4.0.2.
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Not sure why people are blaming blogs for the fact that the VZW Nexus gets updates months after its unlocked GSM brethren. That's not a made-up problem, it's simply a fact being reported.

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I also can't help but think (especially how some of the inital responses were), that some GSM users feel that Nexus is an exclusive club and CDMA users are not invited.
Just a gut feeling I get from some people. Not relevant to thread or original post content.
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Unfortunately, I think you will find this mentality with anything. (gadgets, cars, sports teams, race, etc.) "Mine is the best and everything else sucks!"
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Cabal_ said:
Not sure why people are blaming blogs for the fact that the VZW Nexus gets updates months after its unlocked GSM brethren. That's not a made-up problem, it's simply a fact being reported.
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That doesn't mean it's not a Nexus device...

Cabal_ said:
Not sure why people are blaming blogs for the fact that the VZW Nexus gets updates months after its unlocked GSM brethren. That's not a made-up problem, it's simply a fact being reported.
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How about the sensationalist standoffs? Plenty of wild claims out there.
Are those fact?
Once again, that still does not make it a non-Nexus device.
Here is a fact for ya:
There are still some maguro devices out there on 4.0.1 and 4.0.2. I still call them Nexus devices.

Google, I'm tired of this sh...

OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)

Don't buy Nexus devices if you are going to throw hissy fits over bugs
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z0phi3l said:
Don't buy Nexus devices if you are going to throw hissy fits over bugs
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What's your point ? Nexus devices are supposed to be an especially reliable plateform for Android app programmers, not a vast google beta program for it's own developers !! (I'm talking about the basic hardware features here, not advanced / beta features in google apps)

OP, i'd say... who cares? You said yourself its stupid thread so why do you bother to start it anyway?
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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z0phi3l said:
Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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The nexus 7 is sold in all consumer electronic stores, as is any Samsung, Sony,... products. Clearly it's not "beta hardware" anymore...

z0phi3l said:
Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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Seriously? They sold a bunch of devices and all "buyers" should be developers only? If I buy a device then the basic features must work. Nothing more nothing less, also if I am a developer the device must work.

User_99 said:
Seriously? They sold a bunch of devices and all "buyers" should be developers only? If I buy a device then the basic features must work. Nothing more nothing less, also if I am a developer the device must work.
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I'd even say, a developer would require EXTRA STABLE hardware in order to program without having hardware bugs mixing with his own apps' bugs...

when you first discovered the issue did you try to return it? Have you read about the issue before purchasing it?
why not get an apple device, just curious.

I completely agree with you with all these problems with the Nexus 7, but for its price and speed compared to the iPad mini, I'll stick with my Nexus 7 since the problems are bearable for me.

While I agree with the OP in principle, almost everything in the computing industry is that way any more. There is such pressure to get new hardware/software out the door, that all vendors are putting stuff out before it is truly ready. I don't think Google is any more guilty of this than any other technology vendor. I've seen stuff a LOT more screwed up than the N7.

IMO there is an 80-90% chance most, if not all, of your touch issues can be resolved in 10 minutes using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2428133
Of course you won't have the pleasure of ranting.
Your choice.

That is why I always wait at least a month before I buy something. That ways I can see if there is any problems with the first run. With the New Nexus 7 I new there was going to be issues with multi touch and I haven't had any problems with it yet. The only problem I have had so far is the keyboard sometimes freezes while I type. Not a big deal to me. No matter what electronic device you buy, there will always be something that will go wrong with it. I'm loving the New Nexus 7 so far. Just sad to see someone get discouraged over something that could be fixed by software. Enjoy your next tablet that you get.
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I think it's an Asus thing rather than Google's fault, though u could argue it's Google's fault for going with aids...

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OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
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Shuddup
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phentex said:
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
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Let's be honest here, you can always find a flaw in each phone/tablet out in the market. Everything comes down to your personal preference and your ability to accept certain flaws. Even ipads/iphones have their own set of issues. It may not be multi touch issues but there are some other issues.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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I dont have any issues. None that you describe. Then again, I'm not an end user. Which you sound like. Nothing wrong with that. But you bought something for power users and devs. Not Gramma's and Hippsters..
I change the things out with other things that give me issues or that I don't like and I have full control of the tablet. Something you'll harldy get elsewhere.
But thats not what you want. You want rock stable. So buy an Apple. (which has its own issues, But thats not where I am going) or a windows slate...Muahahahahahahahahahaha....Sorry, there really is no place to go that doesn't have some kind of issue. Maybe Buy a chalk board. Those haven't had many issues in like 100+ years.

I love how everyone has their own way of fighting with OP. He wasn't trying to engage a fight simply saying that the Nexus had too many problems for his liking. I was very very close to leaving as well myself. If there was any comparable alternative I would have been gone long ago.
Why do you guys make excuses for Google? Nexus is for developers only? LOL guess u think this site is developers only too. Sure, stuff happens when your factory is in China... But this is excessive..
There needs to be accountability and quick corrective action (Google has taken some action, but not enough yet.) if we sit here and accept whatever garbage is fed to us, we will always be fed garbage simply because they can.

berardi said:
LOL guess u think this site is developers only too. \.
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Tell you what, PM a mod and ask them this question. I bet you find out real quick how wrong you are. This site is only for developers. Everyone else is allowed to post because they allow it. You must be newer. When I joined if you even posted a topic such as this you'd one get ignored or flammed into oblivion and two most likely warned or straight up banned.
You fail to realize that without the devs this site is just a....forum.
The name of the forum is; XDA (delevelopers).....
Really some of you ppl...

tweaked said:
Tell you what, PM a mod and ask them this question. I bet you find out real quick how wrong you are. This site is only for developers. Everyone else is allowed to post because they allow it. You must be newer. When I joined if you even posted a topic such as this you'd one get ignored or flammed into oblivion and two most likely warned or straight up banned.
You fail to realize that without the devs this site is just a....forum.
The name of the forum is; XDA (delevelopers).....
Really some of you ppl...
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Xda developers, yes... How many people are developing for Xda? I guess we should all be banned. What kind of statement are u making did you even think before you post?
Yeah, maybe a mod thinks this site is only for developers... But I would like to see the reaction on the site owners face if you told him they have banned all non developers. Ad revenue instantly = 0
Historically the site was started for developers maybe but now I guarantee 90% of site content cannot be considered development. Unless you consider a million replies asking where to download Gapp zip for paranoid android development....
Stuff like the OP doesn't belong Development forum, but can you blame the guy for posting here? I went through 20 Nexus only to find out that it was a firmware issue. Google messed up royally...