[Q] I really screwed up my phone... - Samsung Epic 4G Touch

I flashed my phone on my mac using the command prompt using this guide
Code:
[CODE]epic4gtouchroot.
com/epic-4g-touch-root/how-to-root-epic-4g-touch-on-mac-or-linux/[/CODE]
then discovered wifi wouldn't work.
I tried to find a way to unroot it on my mac but couldn't find a thing so I went ahead and rebooted the phone, help volume up and wiped the phone and all the cache..
Now the phone boots up, goes to the android screen and then goes black, doesnt actually start.
I can still go into download mode just cant use the phone.
What can I do?
And again i'm on a mac

Your method is like really outdated.You have only soft bricked it. Use heimdall next time when using your Mac to flash things.I have one as well. Here are your steps.
1.Use heimdall 1.3.1 to flash back to stock
2. There are many tutorials on how to flash with heimdall.Make sure you have the right firmware when flashing.
3. Thank me if it worked!
Sent during sleep.

Find someone with a PC and try using the qbking77 method for unbricking. Remember to download Samsung kies to the computer. If the have a decent external memory card, I recommend putting kies and Odin one click on it if just in case you don't have internet connection in the future so that you can transfer it to PC via USB
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Alrighty, I guess i'll go searching for a way to unroot with heimdall. I'll get back to you unless you already know of one

Run the el29 one click Odin on a PC... I've recovered from more than one soft brick this way...also there's really no need to unroot, your wifi should work fine once you get a good flash.... the Odin one clicks really are the easiest, surest, idiotproof (no offence meant, just trying to say how simple it really is) way to do it though...
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[Q] Is there a way to unroot without ODIN?

My phone isn't working properly, and I plan on exchanging it for another E4GT at the Sprint store. I suspect it to be a hardware issue because I've done a few factory resets, and it still isn't working. The problem is that it is constantly freezing, and my pc doesn't detect the phone when I plug it in. It charges, but it won't get recognized as an external device, even in cwm and download mode. I'm not quite sure what to do.
Is there a way to go completely stock, and unroot without the use of ODIN?
How about mobile Odin from the market? No PC required.
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What are you on right now what did you flash with Odin lost kernal? If you were on sfhubs root you dont need Odin just use the option B I think unroots but only if you rooted with it? how did you root?
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If you used the Auto Root package, only the root needed to be done while connected to the computer.
Undoing CWM and unrooting can be done on the phone itself. Instructions are in the 2nd post. Look for the "included scripts" section.
I had a very similar problem with my epic touch. What I did was use mobile Odin to flash stock unrooted eko2.tar on my phone. Qbking77 has a YouTube video on this titled, UNROOT EPIC 4g touch latest. Then I took my phone to a sprint store and they replaced it for free. I suspected it to be a USB port problem. Good luck!
What happens if you did the first root that came out?
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I'm not able to flash the .pit file using mobile odin, is that an issue?
Doing a system update should bring it hack to stock...theyre use to be some zips for that when this phone first came out....I believe I have the files needed to restock fork cwm somewhere...
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htb723 said:
I'm not able to flash the .pit file using mobile odin, is that an issue?
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no the pit shouldn't matter in your case. I only use it when I want to absolutely make sure all of my other roms I have flash have nothing left over. just remember after you have all your stuff off it, format your internal sd card. you can do this by first removing your external sd card( the one next to the battery). I just say remove it so there's no confusion. then in setting you can go to storage and format the usb. that way there isn't any personal data on your phone.
hey go to this website refer to steps 7-10 this tell you how to remove root, specifically super user, via adb and the command prompt
http://epic4gtouchroot.com/epic-4g-touch-unroot/how-to-unroot-epic-4g-touch/

Locked Bootloader

Hey i believe i have somehow locked my boot loader. I can flash the rom in the recovery mode but it does not show up after booting the device. Its stuck on juggernaut 5.0 which i was recently using. I factory reset my phone dozens of time but no luck. Tried every damn thing in the odin even took a developers help but no luck. Even he was shocked. The system seems to be frozen on juggernaut. Is there a way around this. I believe i cant even brick my phone since even odin doesn't flash anything
You already posted this.
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Really serious this time. So you cant get into download mode and have your phone recognized by odin to flash stock rom???. If you can get into download mode abd odin sees the phone, you should be able to put the stock rom in pda hit run and it should work. Have you tried using heimdall instead of odi ?
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monkeypaws said:
Really serious this time. So you cant get into download mode and have your phone recognized by odin to flash stock rom???. If you can get into download mode abd odin sees the phone, you should be able to put the stock rom in pda hit run and it should work. Have you tried using heimdall instead of odi ?
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I can get into the download mode and can flash it through odin as well but once the flash is successful and when it autoboots after the stock is flashed it goes back into juggernaut rom rather than going into stock rom. I dont seem to get hold of anything. I deleted all my files manually like pictures and notes and stuff but once i rebooted the phone they were all back again. One of the developers even helped me step by step but that didnt even work he was rather shocked. He told me that your boot loader might be locked and he said i am not even sure you will be able to brick the phone!!!
sell it buy a new phone lol
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phenom43 said:
I can get into the download mode and can flash it through odin as well but once the flash is successful and when it autoboots after the stock is flashed it goes back into juggernaut rom rather than going into stock rom. I dont seem to get hold of anything. I deleted all my files manually like pictures and notes and stuff but once i rebooted the phone they were all back again. One of the developers even helped me step by step but that didnt even work he was rather shocked. He told me that your boot loader might be locked and he said i am not even sure you will be able to brick the phone!!!
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What are you flashing? Stock ROM?

PLEASE Help Turn Storage (MTP) OFF

I cant seem to turn off storage mode the MPT or MTP to allow the program to install clockwork recovery ...Ive tried the usb switcher app and doesnt work and I tried the extra options and still ntn Ive been searching for an answer for weeks my GF phone is still on stock F18 I would like to flash the recovery so I could flash a rom for her phone Im a newbie to a Samsung...as I own a htc ...Any help would be much appreciated
MTP has nothing to do with your problem. First start here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268548
Don't just to off flashing stuff at random on this phone. Its somewhat easy to brick.
This may also come in handy http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
shadowmikel said:
I cant seem to turn off storage mode the MPT or MTP to allow the program to install clockwork recovery ...Ive tried the usb switcher app and doesnt work and I tried the extra options and still ntn Ive been searching for an answer for weeks my GF phone is still on stock F18 I would like to flash the recovery so I could flash a rom for her phone Im a newbie to a Samsung...as I own a htc ...Any help would be much appreciated
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Please, please, please tell me you are not trying to do this through ROM Manager... That has bricked a ton of phones. Samsung and HTC are completely different ballgames. I have owned both, and Samsung is a LOT different than Samsung. Firstly, What rom are you trying to flash on her phone? So I can correctly give you some instruction.
shadowmikel said:
I cant seem to turn off storage mode the MPT or MTP to allow the program to install clockwork recovery ...Ive tried the usb switcher app and doesnt work and I tried the extra options and still ntn Ive been searching for an answer for weeks my GF phone is still on stock F18 I would like to flash the recovery so I could flash a rom for her phone Im a newbie to a Samsung...as I own a htc ...Any help would be much appreciated
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Are you trying to use auto root package?
Sounds like you are because that's the only method where you need yo worry about it. For that all you need is USB debugging on and that's it. Auto root package should push it to the phone.
You need to be rooted too.
Please clarify what exactly you are running so I can suggest an easier and safe way do flash a new ROM.
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what Ive done to this phone is root it via Odin to F18 havent done anything else ....I do thank you guys for your concern and advice But I would just like to know the next procedure to get a recovery on it everytime I try to get the the recovery using odin auto root it doesnt work ....it just reverts back to the stock recovery and I feel its because one of the requirements of odin is to turn storage mode off but I cant because as soon as its plugged into the computer MTP comes up and theres no choice to turn it off.
shadowmikel said:
what Ive done to this phone is root it via Odin to F18 havent done anything else ....I do thank you guys for your concern and advice But I would just like to know the next procedure to get a recovery on it everytime I try to get the the recovery using odin auto root it doesnt work ....it just reverts back to the stock recovery and I feel its because one of the requirements of odin is to turn storage mode off but I cant because as soon as its plugged into the computer MTP comes up and theres no choice to turn it off.
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Search for mobile Odin on xda.
Install it following the directions on that thread.
Get the el26 cwm .tar file.
Flash that file using kernel slot in mobile Odin.
As soon as you see the Samsung screen after flash.. hold down power and vol up until you see cwm.
Flash any ROM you want from there on.
Remember that ff18 is ICS while el26 is gb kernel so the phone will NOT boot. So make sure you have the ROM on sdcard before following the above steps so you can flash the ROM right after flashing the recovery. El26 stock cwm by chris41g is the safest recovery.
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shadowmikel said:
what Ive done to this phone is root it via Odin to F18 havent done anything else ....I do thank you guys for your concern and advice But I would just like to know the next procedure to get a recovery on it everytime I try to get the the recovery using odin auto root it doesnt work ....it just reverts back to the stock recovery and I feel its because one of the requirements of odin is to turn storage mode off but I cant because as soon as its plugged into the computer MTP comes up and theres no choice to turn it off.
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Additionally, there are kernels for ICS that have a custom recovery that can be flashed through mobile Odin. You just have to find them first. However, the GB recoveries are the most stable (other than Odin).
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Use this app to disable MTP.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=in.zatta.USB_switch
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[Q] Need help ASAP! :c

Hello all, My name is Zach. I've been around XDA for a while, but haven't really posted anything, I thanked devs for work and have been flashing my phone for a while now. Well, last night, I was exhausted, and shouldn't have done what I did. I flashed the full "CODE_SPH-D710.GA10_818252_REV00_user_low_ship.tar.md5" to my phone via mobile odin from an ics rom (Phantoms ff18 I believe). Everything was going fine until the phone just shut off, and it booted straight into recovery mode.
Well now my phone will not boot, and I have no access to my external memory card via CWM-based Recovery v5.0.2.3 that was installed from the tar. All of my roms are on my external.
Every time I plug it into the computer I get "USB device is not recognized" and it installs an "Unknown Device" driver from windows. So I can not mount it in CWM to send the files to internal.
I have tried removing all drivers and kies, restarting, reinstalling, then plugging my phone back in about 1000 times now.
Now some good news, I can get into Odin mode, but odin does not recognize it due to the problem above^
My question is, is there still hope? and can anyone help me?
I would try redownloading drivers on a diffrent computer if possible and make sure you have original cord. You can also try to wipe data via stock recovery and try to boot again just some quick thoughts also could try to find one of the one clicks and pull cord out and put back in once you open the one click (not during the one click) and see if it will show then start the one click also make sure you have the correct drivers install if you go to sextapes site they have everything you need. Hope it turns out ok:beer:
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evo3d6 said:
I would try redownloading drivers on a diffrent computer if possible and make sure you have original cord. You can also try to wipe data via stock recovery and try to boot again just some quick thoughts also could try to find one of the one clicks and pull cord out and put back in once you open the one click (not during the one click) and see if it will show then start the one click also make sure you have the correct drivers install if you go to sextapes site they have everything you need. Hope it turns out ok:beer:
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I have tried both my laptops, original cord, multiple other cords, have tried wiping in the CWM to nothing new, I do have the correct drivers and have tried multiple versions of them :/
Opening a one click and plugging the phone in just gives me "USB device not recognized"
Im a little confused you have cwm?
Reading your post cwm does not come with the leaked build you have to flash agats recovery after. So im going to assume that your talking stock recovery.
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Sad to say it sounds like you 1/2 way between soft bricked and hard bricked...
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evo3d6 said:
Im a little confused you have cwm?
Reading your post cwm does not come with the leaked build you have to flash agats recovery after. So im going to assume that your talking stock recovery.
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Maybe it stuck from phantom's ff18 rom? But yes CWM-based recovery 5.0.2.3
If I could get it to recognize my external SD card then I can flash a rom.
chris-allen said:
Sad to say it sounds like you 1/2 way between soft bricked and hard bricked...
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I hope its fixable :/
Get a Micro SD USB adapter. You can transfer the files with that.
Well. If your phone still turns on there's hope. After you plug it into your computer and it installs that unknown device or whatever go to control panel -> system -> device manager.
Right click on the unknown device, update driver, browse my computer for drivers, let me pick from list of drivers, then forcefully install the samsung driver through there and then try to odin a stock ICS tar http://rwilco12.androidfilehost.com/LeakSite/?dir=Leaks/Samsung Epic 4G Touch/FI27/Original TAR/.
After the you install the tar I would boot into recovery and wipe data and cache then reboot to make sure it's clean. Then after you're back to stock then you can root recovery whatever and try flashing JB again. I suggest using CWM and a zip file this time around though. Good luck.
ZachZombify said:
I have tried removing all drivers and kies, restarting, reinstalling, then plugging my phone back in about 1000 times now.
Now some good news, I can get into Odin mode, but odin does not recognize it due to the problem above^
My question is, is there still hope? and can anyone help me?
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I'm not sure what exactly happened but it sounds as if you are screwed if Odin doesn't recognize it at this point. It sounds like something went very wrong with the bootloader to me, maybe Mobiletech can help repair your device for $50 if all other advise fails.
http://mobiletechvideos.mybigcommerce.com or email at [email protected]
If they can't fix it they will refund you back your money.
graydiggy said:
Get a Micro SD USB adapter. You can transfer the files with that.
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I cannot access the external memory card from CWM, it says "No files found", if I could, I would have flashed a new rom already.
caaznkid said:
Well. If your phone still turns on there's hope. After you plug it into your computer and it installs that unknown device or whatever go to control panel -> system -> device manager.
Right click on the unknown device, update driver, browse my computer for drivers, let me pick from list of drivers, then forcefully install the samsung driver through there and then try to odin a stock ICS tar http://rwilco12.androidfilehost.com/LeakSite/?dir=Leaks/Samsung Epic 4G Touch/FI27/Original TAR/.
After the you install the tar I would boot into recovery and wipe data and cache then reboot to make sure it's clean. Then after you're back to stock then you can root recovery whatever and try flashing JB again. I suggest using CWM and a zip file this time around though. Good luck.
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I tried this, there are like 20-30 different samsung drivers to pick from, I tried a few, getting "Error 10, the device could not be started" unplugged phone, plugged back in and just get "USB device not recognized"
Febby said:
I'm not sure what exactly happened but it sounds as if you are screwed if Odin doesn't recognize it at this point. It sounds like something went very wrong with the bootloader to me, maybe Mobiletech can help repair your device for $50 if all other advise fails.
http://mobiletechvideos.mybigcommerce.com or email at [email protected]
If they can't fix it they will refund you back your money.
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I honestly wish I could spend that 50$, but I am going to college and jobless at the moment, so all my money goes to them.
ZachZombify said:
I cannot access the external memory card from CWM, it says "No files found", if I could, I would have flashed a new rom already.
I tried this, there are like 20-30 different samsung drivers to pick from, I tried a few, getting "Error 10, the device could not be started" unplugged phone, plugged back in and just get "USB device not recognized"
I honestly wish I could spend that 50$, but I am going to college and jobless at the moment, so all my money goes to them.
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Have you tried the drivers found here http://rwilco12.androidfilehost.com/LeakSite/?dir=Leaks/Misc Files
Delete all Sammy drivers from your laptop restart your laptop then install the drivers you get from the link
If that doesn't work then why don't you boot into the ROM, use mobile Odin and flash the modem and recovery you want t seperately(if you can)
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bigdaddy619 said:
Have you tried the drivers found here http://rwilco12.androidfilehost.com/LeakSite/?dir=Leaks/Misc Files
Delete all Sammy drivers from your laptop restart your laptop then install the drivers you get from the link
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I tried this, but even after uninstalling the sammy drivers, some remains in the "update driver" thing. I'm still getting "USB device is unrecognized"
Tr0LL-$_$ said:
If that doesn't work then why don't you boot into the ROM, use mobile Odin and flash the modem and recovery you want t seperately(if you can)
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Read the original post , the phone does NOT boot into android, it stays on the splash screen, forever.
Is it possible to boot an android OS from my external memory card? I know you could do it on the NOOK Color
Any help at this point would be greatly appreciated.
ZachZombify said:
Any help at this point would be greatly appreciated.
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So, to recap:
You were on FF18 with custom recovery, went to flash the GA10 tar via MO, phone died during process, isn't recognized when phone is in Odin mode and connected to a pc, you can still get to recovery and download mode on the phone but can't flash because it's not recognized, removed/re installed
Correct?
Have you tried another pc? Have you tried another cable? Have you pulled the sd card out and tried reading that on a pc?
There is some sort of lesson to be learned here. :sly:
People pay attention.
Many can profit from the outcome of this thread. :thumbup:
Pp.
Transmitted from another galaxy with a Jellybean infused P-5113 full of Unicorn porn.
MoHoGalore said:
So, to recap:
You were on FF18 with custom recovery, went to flash the GA10 tar via MO, phone died during process, isn't recognized when phone is in Odin mode and connected to a pc, you can still get to recovery and download mode on the phone but can't flash because it's not recognized, removed/re installed
Correct?
Have you tried another pc? Have you tried another cable? Have you pulled the sd card out and tried reading that on a pc?
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Id didn't die, it just turned off, and restarted straight into the recovery. I have tried 3, and 4 different cables, the SD cards reads in the computer but isn't showing up in the recovery, I get "No files found" and since I cant boot, I cant change the directory for the SD card.
PanchoPlanet said:
There is some sort of lesson to be learned here. :sly:
People pay attention.
Many can profit from the outcome of this thread. :thumbup:
Pp.
Transmitted from another galaxy with a Jellybean infused P-5113 full of Unicorn porn.
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Yes, But hopefully my phone is revivable!
Have you tried another pc?
And was it a full flash? You saw pass and it restarted?
:edit: Just saw your post about using both laptops.
What gets me, the flashing process and a restart and still you're left with the custom recovery. I'm interested in where the flash got to.. since the tar doesn't flash a custom recovery..
One thing to try - Put the phone in Odin mode, have it plugged into the laptop, then start odin. Try it backwards..
Which version of Odin are you using?
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MoHoGalore said:
Have you tried another pc?
And was it a full flash? You saw pass and it restarted?
:edit: Just saw your post about using both laptops.
What gets me, the flashing process and a restart and still you're left with the custom recovery. I'm interested in where the flash got to.. since the tar doesn't flash a custom recovery..
One thing to try - Put the phone in Odin mode, have it plugged into the laptop, then start odin. Try it backwards..
Which version of Odin are you using?
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I've tried a few different versions, but I've been trying to use a one-click that way it will just install everything

USB only works to charge/triangle away doesn't work/ can't revert to stock.

I'm currently running task650's current ROM and ktoonz newest kernel . I'm unable to connect my phone to my PC via USB. I've tried 3 different USB cables including the original one that came with the phone. I'm trying to revert to stock to swap out phone, but I can't flash through Odin(cant restore stock recovery) and triangle away won't let me reset flash counter. I'm at a loss for ideas, I've been looking through the forums for days and I can't find anything . I've tried flashing different ROMs/kernels with no luck.
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is USB debugging mode on? did you make a nandroid when you first rooted? that would contain the original firmware you were using before flashing anything. are you connecting to your PC after putting the phone in download mode or recovery mode? just covering all the bases, buddy.
Yes I've done all the above, however during a flash of cm10 i soft bricked somehow...and lost all data on my internal.. So I no longer have my original nandroid I'm not new to flashing at all and never imagined that would happen I've learned to expect the unexpected now.
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Uninstall Kies
Uninstall \ Reinstall Samsung drivers, reboot
Use Odin 3.07
Use an OEM Cable
Flash rooted stock
Triangle Away
Flash Unrooted Stock
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Uninstall Kies
Uninstall \ Reinstall Samsung drivers, reboot
Use Odin 3.07
Use an OEM Cable
Flash rooted stock
Triangle Away
Flash Unrooted Stock
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Only problem with that is my phone will go into download and is detected by Odin, but fails flash every time.
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Only problem with that is my phone will go into download and is detected by Odin, but fails flash every time.
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where are you getting the stock firmware tar from? have you tried a different source location?
xBeerdroiDx said:
where are you getting the stock firmware tar from? have you tried a different source location?
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I've tried root66_Att_I747uckl3.tar.md5
Only ROM I've tried. I'll try another. I've tried the Samsung toolkit and it doesn't work properly cause I'm not getting proper connection. I have a theory that my USB doesn't work properly because my file directories are messed up on phone and are in a folder emulated/0/...
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here's the thread for the stock firmware tars. if you're still able to get into download mode AND your device is recognized in odin, flash the appropriate carrier firmware.
xBeerdroiDx said:
here's the thread for the stock firmware tars. if you're still able to get into download mode AND your device is recognized in odin, flash the appropriate carrier firmware.
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thats where I downloaded from before, Everytime I get into Odin it gets stuck on Getting PIT for mapping..........sits there, then fails. phone is in download mode, USB cord that came with phone. ive tried reinstalling USB drivers a million times.
have you looked into Mobile Odin? and i would consider downloading the firmware again in the event the one you have is bad.
xBeerdroiDx said:
have you looked into Mobile Odin? and i would consider downloading the firmware again in the event the one you have is bad.
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Tried mobile Odin, it soft bricked my phone, had to plug in to a full charge before I could even get it back into recovery. The first 24 hours it wouldn't even go back into download or recovery... I thought I was going to have to get a new phone. Weirdest thing ever. Downloaded and tried a new stock firmware. I feel like I'm running out of options.. Lol and every time I triangle away I reboot and my triangle is back..lol
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Was really hoping you'd find a solution to this. Sometime ago my phone's USB stopped working as well. It can still charge but the computer does not recognize it. My Googlefu has led me to believe this has happened to a hand full of people with Samsung phones.
Was hoping to flash stock Rom on my phone but I can't connect via Odin.
USB Cord matters...
AverageCanadian said:
Was really hoping you'd find a solution to this. Sometime ago my phone's USB stopped working as well. It can still charge but the computer does not recognize it. My Googlefu has led me to believe this has happened to a hand full of people with Samsung phones.
Was hoping to flash stock Rom on my phone but I can't connect via Odin.
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Are you using the stock USB cord. it is 11 pin and most others are 5. Makes a difference.
thegodsquirrel said:
Are you using the stock USB cord. it is 11 pin and most others are 5. Makes a difference.
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Yes, Ive tried every USB plug under the sun. My phone sometimes gets detected by my computer, and I can browse files but if I try to copy something from it, it freezes half way through, then becomes undetechable. Ive tried to flash through odin but it never works....just get stuck then fails.

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