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[MOD][THEME][APP]Original Samsung Galaxy S II Boot Animation and Shutdown

This is the boot animation with audio and shutdown with audio from the original samsung galaxy s II. in my opinion they are much cleaner, and classier than some of the others... I like a simple clean look.
Here is the boot animation. I have tested and it works for stock roms, custom roms version was tested and works. SSConceptz zipped it for flashing. Thank Him!
*I am not responsible for any damage to your device*
Stock Touchwiz Based Roms
http://dev-host.org/pimwksnc20zi/SGS...Stock_Roms.zip
Custom Roms - CM9/AOKP, ect.
http://dev-host.org/jk9k05ecloxk/SGS...ustom_Roms.zip
I am Not Resposible for anything that happens to your phone. ALWAYS BACKUP BEFORE MAKING ANY MODS!!!
Directions:
Install with custom Recovery - CWM.
Attached files for placement in system files if zips do not work...
ENJOY!

I think you forgot to include the download link.

LordFan21 said:
I think you forgot to include the download link.
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Sorry Guys, I thought they were done uploading, apparently not...
I love the power on and power off animations, clean, simple, and no carrier branding...

Thanks was really looking for a replacement to Sprints splash during shutdown.

Thanks will try these when I get home.
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Thanks for this, but your instructions are either incomplete, confusing, or both.
joshbeach said:
Video Boot Animation: bootanimation.zip
paste in system/media folder - may need to be renamed sanim.zip
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There is no bootanimation.zip or sanim.zip in this folder currently. Does that matter? If you have it installed how do you not know which name is correct for it to work?
Also, there is a bootsamsung.qmg file in here, I would think that is the animation file?
joshbeach said:
Boot Audio: PowerOn.wav -paste in system/etc folder
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There is also a PowerOn.ogg file in this folder. Does it matter?
joshbeach said:
Video Shutdown:shutdown.qmg - Paste in system/media/video/shutdown folder
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You have 2 shutdown.qmg files in the zip. One in the root Galaxy S II Shutdown folder and another in the video/shutdown folder. In addition there are a ton of .png files in this folder you don't explain what to do with.
joshbeach said:
Audio Shutdown: PowerOff.wav - paste in system/media/audio/ folder
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This file doesn't exist in this folder currently. That normal?

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satur9ine said:
Thanks for this, but your instructions are either incomplete, confusing, or both.
There is no bootanimation.zip or sanim.zip in this folder currently. Does that matter? If you have it installed how do you not know which name is correct for it to work?
Also, there is a bootsamsung.qmg file in here, I would think that is the animation file?
There is also a PowerOn.ogg file in this folder. Does it matter?
You have 2 shutdown.qmg files in the zip. One in the root Galaxy S II Shutdown folder and another in the video/shutdown folder. In addition there are a ton of .png files in this folder you don't explain what to do with.
This file doesn't exist in this folder currently. That normal?
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I am running Midnight ROM 2.2, with Kernal that came with it...
What Rom are you on? - I guess I should have been more clear... If you are stock rooted, this may not work, depending on what kernal you are running. the Kernal needs to support boot animation. Unfortunately I dont have the original Galaxy S II qmg files. I am sure they are out there, but the only way to test them is to install the bootsamsung.qmg from a GSII in the same location, and overwrite the existing. do you have cwm on your phone? can you make a backup first? I highly recomend you do that!~
As far as power on, just replace the poweron.ogg file, or you can convert the wav file i included to an ogg file with a converter, I dont think that will matter. the sound should work either way.
as far as the shutdown animation and sound...
I am updating the OP Now~ sorry for the confussion...

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You have 2 shutdown.qmg files in the zip. One in the root Galaxy S II Shutdown folder and another in the video/shutdown folder. In addition there are a ton of .png files in this folder you don't explain what to do with.
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I updated the download zip, those were extra files from a different animation I was working on... you can delete them, they arent needed...
all you need is shutdown.qmg and the poweroff.wav
satur9ine said:
This file doesn't exist in this folder currently. That normal?
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Do you have any shutdown animation currently? or does it just say powering down when you turn it off? if it just says powering down or off... then you dont have a shutdown animation, which is why it isnt there...
Post Back your results!!!
All I can say is try it, if it doesnt work delete it. just remember, these are the locations...
Video Shutdown:shutdown.qmg - Paste in system/media/video/shutdown folder
Audio Shutdown: PowerOff.wav - paste in system/media/audio/ folder

Thanks for the shutdown animation Op.

joshbeach said:
I updated the download zip, those were extra files from a different animation I was working on... you can delete them, they arent needed...
all you need is shutdown.qmg and the poweroff.wav
Do you have any shutdown animation currently? or does it just say powering down when you turn it off? if it just says powering down or off... then you dont have a shutdown animation, which is why it isnt there...
Post Back your results!!!
All I can say is try it, if it doesnt work delete it. just remember, these are the locations...
Video Shutdown:shutdown.qmg - Paste in system/media/video/shutdown folder
Audio Shutdown: PowerOff.wav - paste in system/media/audio/ folder
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Okay, thanks for some clarification. I am on Stock Pulled kernel with CWM5. I was able to get it working with a minor change to your steps.
Here is what I did to get it to work:
1) Download Original SGSII without boot animation support.zip file in OP
2) Unzip contents to location on phone (internal or external is fine)
3) Nandroid backup in CWM5 just in case
4) Using Root Explorer, copy bootsamsung.qmg and bootsamsungloop.qmg to system/media. Fix permissions to be like other files.
5) Copy PowerOn.wav to system/etc. Fix permissions
6) Copy shutdown.qmg to system/media/video/shutdown. Fix permissions
7) Copy PowerOff.wav to system/media/audio/ui (this is different than stated in OP) Fix permissions
8) Reboot and should be good to go.
Also, just a note, the PowerOn.wav file is exactly the same as the one that already exists on the stock rom. It is already the Samsung sound so no need to really copy that file if you are on stock.
Thanks for helping us get rid of the ugly Sprint boot animation!!

Awesome... Glad you got it working!
I wish I knew how to compile a flashable zip for CWM. It would be easier for others if they could just flash the corresponding zip for the ROM they were on...
I am not a dev, but learning more about android, and modding every day...

satur9ine said:
Okay, thanks for some clarification. I am on Stock Pulled kernel with CWM5. I was able to get it working with a minor change to your steps.
Here is what I did to get it to work:
1) Download Original SGSII without boot animation support.zip file in OP
2) Unzip contents to location on phone (internal or external is fine)
3) Nandroid backup in CWM5 just in case
4) Using Root Explorer, copy bootsamsung.qmg and bootsamsungloop.qmg to system/media. Fix permissions to be like other files.
5) Copy PowerOn.wav to system/etc. Fix permissions
6) Copy shutdown.qmg to system/media/video/shutdown. Fix permissions
7) Copy PowerOff.wav to system/media/audio/ui (this is different than stated in OP) Fix permissions
8) Reboot and should be good to go.
Also, just a note, the PowerOn.wav file is exactly the same as the one that already exists on the stock rom. It is already the Samsung sound so no need to really copy that file if you are on stock.
Thanks for helping us get rid of the ugly Sprint boot animation!!
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Thanks for clarifying... I didnt have any sounds, which is why i needed to place it. the sound was removewd from the midnight rom.

satur9ine said:
Okay, thanks for some clarification. I am on Stock Pulled kernel with CWM5. I was able to get it working with a minor change to your steps.
Thanks for helping us get rid of the ugly Sprint boot animation!!
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Thanks for the modified install procedure. Works for me now.
I replaced the PowerOn.wav with a .wav file I found at freesounds.org. It's quite different and fresh/new!
Let me know if you want the file, ahhhh screw it, I included it here for you...
Just rename it PowerOn.wav of course...

That's exactly what I am looking for since wiped rom a long time ago.Thanks a lot for sharing.

Thanks for posting this and working on it! Working great on stock rooted ROM and stock kernel.

satur9ine said:
Okay, thanks for some clarification. I am on Stock Pulled kernel with CWM5. I was able to get it working with a minor change to your steps.
Here is what I did to get it to work:
1) Download Original SGSII without boot animation support.zip file in OP
2) Unzip contents to location on phone (internal or external is fine)
3) Nandroid backup in CWM5 just in case
4) Using Root Explorer, copy bootsamsung.qmg and bootsamsungloop.qmg to system/media. Fix permissions to be like other files.
5) Copy PowerOn.wav to system/etc. Fix permissions
6) Copy shutdown.qmg to system/media/video/shutdown. Fix permissions
7) Copy PowerOff.wav to system/media/audio/ui (this is different than stated in OP) Fix permissions
8) Reboot and should be good to go.
Also, just a note, the PowerOn.wav file is exactly the same as the one that already exists on the stock rom. It is already the Samsung sound so no need to really copy that file if you are on stock.
Thanks for helping us get rid of the ugly Sprint boot animation!!
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I tried the steps outlined by satur9ine, but wasn't able to successfully change the boot/shutdown animation. I'm using root explorer; and copying the files over to the named locations but still no dice. My current boot animation (android) remains. Any suggestions?

satur9ine said:
Okay, thanks for some clarification. I am on Stock Pulled kernel with CWM5. I was able to get it working with a minor change to your steps.
Here is what I did to get it to work:
1) Download Original SGSII without boot animation support.zip file in OP
2) Unzip contents to location on phone (internal or external is fine)
3) Nandroid backup in CWM5 just in case
4) Using Root Explorer, copy bootsamsung.qmg and bootsamsungloop.qmg to system/media. Fix permissions to be like other files.
5) Copy PowerOn.wav to system/etc. Fix permissions
6) Copy shutdown.qmg to system/media/video/shutdown. Fix permissions
7) Copy PowerOff.wav to system/media/audio/ui (this is different than stated in OP) Fix permissions
8) Reboot and should be good to go.
Also, just a note, the PowerOn.wav file is exactly the same as the one that already exists on the stock rom. It is already the Samsung sound so no need to really copy that file if you are on stock.
Thanks for helping us get rid of the ugly Sprint boot animation!!
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Followed these steps, mainly the Audio Shutdown directions and now I have the shutdown audio.

I created a flashable for stock roms and I can post if someone needs it. I can make one for modded roms but I need to know what the difference is and what files aren't required.
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OK OP if these flashables work for everyone, feel free to add to the OP.
Ok here is the boot animation. I have tested and it works for stock roms, custom roms version was tested and works. I did not create this animation, I just zipped it for flashing.
*I am not responsible for any damage to your device*
Stock Roms
http://dev-host.org/pimwksnc20zi/SGSII_Boot_Animation_Stock_Roms.zip
Custom Roms
http://dev-host.org/jk9k05ecloxk/SGSII_Boot_Animation_Custom_Roms.zip

ssconceptz said:
I created a flashable for stock roms and I can post if someone needs it. I can make one for modded roms but I need to know what the difference is and what files aren't required.
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OK OP if these flashables work for everyone, feel free to add to the OP.
Ok here is the boot animation. I have tested and it works for stock roms, haven't tested the custom roms version but it should work on custom roms. I did not create this animation, I just zipped it for flashing.
*I am not responsible for any damage to your device*
Stock Roms
http://dev-host.org/pimwksnc20zi/SGSII_Boot_Animation_Stock_Roms.zip
Custom Roms
http://dev-host.org/jk9k05ecloxk/SGSII_Boot_Animation_Custom_Roms.zip
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Anyone tested with caulk 2.6 ?

Use the custom rom version and just either nand backup or flash the rom again if it doesnt work. If it does lmk.
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[Q] ICS and boot anamation

In the good old day when we had so many gingerbread options, if your rom allowed it you could change boot animation simply put zip into system/media now that we are moving on to ICS that no longer works, I did some searching that a second file needs to be made or placed for it to work, I tried toolbox but most of those although they do work are droid themes or lame. So the question is was anyone able to change the boot animation with a ICS rom, without using toolbox, if so please post how you were able to do it. I love the android pissing on apple boot. Does any one have that anmation by chance most links I found were to megaupload which has been shut down.

Once you find the one you want just place it into system\media make sure its named bootanimation.zip
It works with dark side evolution ics. I know because I made a animation from scratch and I run it in my phone.
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robandcathy said:
In the good old day when we had so many gingerbread options, if your rom allowed it you could change boot animation simply put zip into system/media now that we are moving on to ICS that no longer works, I did some searching that a second file needs to be made or placed for it to work, I tried toolbox but most of those although they do work are droid themes or lame. So the question is was anyone able to change the boot animation with a ICS rom, without using toolbox, if so please post how you were able to do it. I love the android pissing on apple boot. Does any one have that anmation by chance most links I found were to megaupload which has been shut down.
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The problem with the bootanimation.zip file you were trying to use was that when I unzipped and took a look into the desc.txt file, the second line where it states what folder to run first was not named the same as the folder that contained the images. So when you were telling your phone to look in a certain folder it was never found. In case you run into other problems follow these basic steps.
You need to unzip it and make sure that it is filed in the correct order. When a bootanimation.zip is made it consist of a desc.txt and at least one folder with many or few .png images. The folder that contains the .png images must be named the same in the txt file. In order of course of how you want to see it run. All this is stated in the desc.txt.
And to put it on your phone just copy paste into system/media make sure that you can RW in that directory. Then reboot and your good.
Or an easier way just do adb push bootanimation.zip /system/media from platform tools in your SDK.
XDA upload wasn't working so here ya go!

Ok first off big thanks to cesar, I didnt get his post at first and didnt feel like bothering him any more as he has been much to helpful so in lamemans terms, you need it to be in a zip format when you put it into system/media.....within that zip should be a folder containing you pics and a text file (what ever the folder is called should also be referenced in the text file) I was a little lost when I saw boot and tried several different ways till I got it, and now I understand, also I think within the text file you can set the size of video on the first line. Again big thanks to Cesar.

What about power on sound?
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What rom you running?
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Darkside evolution 3 says it on my signature lol
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Customize Galaxy 3 Boot-up Screen

I was just wondering if changing the boot-up screen is the same(or similar) for the SG3 as this guide that I dug up(its from a completely different phone but I get the general idea). and if not, where do the custom animations and sound files go?
To install, follow these steps:
remove bootanimation.zip and SPC_animation_final from /system/customize/resource
remove bootanimation.zip and android_audio.mp3 from /system/media
adb push your downloaded bootanimation.zip and android_audio.mp3 to /system/media
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IamPhoReal said:
I was just wondering if changing the boot-up screen is the same(or similar) for the SG3 as this guide that I dug up(its from a completely different phone but I get the general idea). and if not, where do the custom animations and sound files go?
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yup just move the animation and sound to /system/media

jellydroid13 said:
yup just move the animation and sound to /system/media
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Would I have to delete any files? there is no "android_audio.mp3" i am assuming the boot anim is "bootsamsumg.qmg" or "bootsamsungloop.qmg" with the sound file being in system/media/audio/ui "poweroff.wav" and "poweronn.ogg"
can anyone confirm?

I just recently tried to just place the "bootanimation.zip" through a root explorer into the corresponding directory. I restarted but it doesn't seem to be using the bootanimation zip which leads me believe that it is more complicated than previously stated.

If you copy them to /data/local they survive between roms as long as you don't wipe data.
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IamPhoReal said:
I just recently tried to just place the "bootanimation.zip" through a root explorer into the corresponding directory. I restarted but it doesn't seem to be using the bootanimation zip which leads me believe that it is more complicated than previously stated.
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Did you remember to set/change permissions on the Bootanimation.zip file after moving it?

phonepersonality said:
Did you remember to set/change permissions on the Bootanimation.zip file after moving it?
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You have to be using a ROM/kernal that supports bootanimation.zip. Most stock ones are still using the .qmg files, and if you are making your own bootanimation.zip make sure when you zip it you are not compressing it. It needs to be "store only" or it won't work.

KillaHurtz said:
You have to be using a ROM/kernal that supports bootanimation.zip. Most stock ones are still using the .qmg files, and if you are making your own bootanimation.zip make sure when you zip it you are not compressing it. It needs to be "store only" or it won't work.
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Good info here. Thanks

I am trying to change the bootanimation as well, and so far nothing I've tried works. I have a boot animation that worked with my sensation and is originally from the nexus, I placed it in both the data/local and the system/media folders and both are set to rw/r/r.
I noticed my system/media file also has 2 samsung .qmg(?) files in it, should these be deleted or renamed?
I'm currently using xquisitV70 with whatever kernel it includes, do I need to flash a custom kernel for this to work?
If so, any favorites for the s3?

Your Kernal has to support it.
I use ROM Toolbox to do it. It works perfectly and it's very easy to use.
type R-blood

forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32906808&postcount=5068
Has zip to enable the use of bootanimation.zip file, i have only tested it on frosty v5...hope it works for you.

Thanks, the kernel was my issue apparently. I installed trinity kernel and now my boot animation is working perfectly.

Custom Boots

Have a nandroid backup just in case something goes wrong, Ive softbricked before many times actually just for trying to change a bootanimation. It can happen.
If you already have been using data/local for install location and its working for you great. I just noticed that i used my steps below but left out changing installation directory, so ive been installing to my data/local and my changes have been taking effect. After installing bootanimations i noticed my location was data/local then i went to change it to system/media and install a animation and nothing changes. So i am using data/local now as my target, im guessing if i were just to delete the boot zip from data/local my system/media bootzip will play only because i have a bootanimation.zip already installed to that directory as well, im not going to try it yet but maybe on a rainy day with downtime on my hands ill try it. But after all said the locations of install are working just fine, in the OP instructions are just one way of setting a valid default installation. Im guessing which ever location you started using first is the location you should continue to use.
Btw im on kuban2.1, stock FI27 , init.d support enabled
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1826190
here is how to add init.d
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1933849
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There is a matching lock screen togo with.I'ts the sammylockscreenPNG.zip just rename the extension from .zip to .png
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you can download xxxxxxxxxxGIF.zip and rename the extension to .gif and then use RomToolBox to Automate the install. You need help just ask ill do my best.
INSTRUCTIONS BELOW
NOTE:"Before using romtoolbox"Open romtoolbox go to bootanimations, press your menu softkey, press install location, change common locatioms value to /system/media/ select ok. Now If you are using a stock rom but a kernel that supports boot animation (and you are rooted), using rootexplorer or a similiar app go into system/bin. Find samsungani and rename it to samsungani.bak. Now find bootanimation in system/bin and rename bootanimation to samsungani. Thats it. Now all bootanimations correctly placed in the system/media will work upon boot... "
After the above has been setup on your device you can now navigate to your gif file in a file explorer app. Once you click the gif file window pops up and use gif to bootanimation, then choose to install..
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ONLY IF YOU ALREADY COMPLETED THE STEPS ABOVE;
If you already completed the above steps with naming samsungai to samsungani.bak, and bootanimation to samsungani in the /system/bin, and changed location install to /system/media/ then you can download the bootanimation.zip and manually copy paste it into /system/media/ via root explorer or you could even open romtoolbox goto bootanimations then choose local tab then find the bootanimation.zip click it then choose install, then reboot your phone.
Because this site has bugs when uploading i have to name bootanimations over and over again (they get overwritten) so you have to rename the bootanimation after downloading to bootanimation.zip

Reserved

All I get is a black screen with the original boot sound. I am using AGATS recovery

how did you install it what did you do exactly? Are u still able to boot your phone or is it stuck?
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which agat are you on?
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No4g4Me said:
how did you install it what did you do exactly? Are u still able to boot your phone or is it stuck?
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I am sorry sir for the trouble I figured it out. I changed the bootanimation.zip that was in data/local and it worked.

awesome. no prob.
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Shader-LXIX said:
I am sorry sir for the trouble I figured it out. I changed the bootanimation.zip that was in data/local and it worked.
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so you installed the boot animation to data/local and it worked or thats what you did wrong? Just wanted to clarify what you mean. thanks.
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If you already have been using data/local for install location and its working for you great. I just noticed that i used my steps above but left out changing installation directory, so ive been installing to my data/local and my changes have been taking effect. After installing bootanimations i noticed my location was data/local then i went to change it to system/media and install a animation and nothing changes. So i am using data/local now as my target, im guessing if i were just to delete the boot zip from data/local my system/media bootzip will play only because i have a bootanimation.zip already installed to that directory as well, im not going to try it yet but maybe on a rainy day with downtime on my hands ill try it. But after all said the locations of install are working just fine, in the OP instructions are just one way of setting a valid default installation. Im guessing which ever location you started using first is the location you should continue to use.
Btw im on kuban2.1, stock FI27 , init.d support enabled

S3 Matrix Boot animation for STOCK ROM

I've searched and searched but could never find a Matirx code rain boot animation made for the Samsung Galaxy S3 for a STOCK ROM. Bootanimation.zip files don't work on a stock ROM for the S3 so I took some of the better ones I found in zip files and converted them to the .qmg files that the S3 wants. I've included the boot animation as well as the shutdown animation and the Matrix sounds for them also.
You do need to have ROOT to install these and ROOT Explorer is recommended to copy them into the right folders and change permissions. If you aren't rooted I highly recommend 'towelroot' and it doesn't get any easier than that app for rooting.
Download my zip file then:
- rename your existing files (the ones that have the same names as I have included in the Zip file) in the folders listed below to something else you will remember like bootsamsung.bak and do this for each file you will be replacing with ones I have included in the Zip file.
- I suggest a complete backup with TWRP in case anything goes wrong. If you don't have TWRP get it - best thing going and I also use an app called 'Quickboot' which lets you get into TWRP recovery without having to do the 3 finger grip on the buttons you normally need to do to get into recovery.
- copy bootsamsung.qmg and bootsamsungloop.qmg to your system/media folder with Root Explorer
- use Root explorer change permissions on them to rw-rr
- copy the *.ogg (sound) files to system/media/audio/ui folder
- copy shutdown.qmg to system/media/video/shutdown folder
- use Root explorer change permissions on them to rw-rr
Reboot and enjoy a reminder of one of the best movies ever made !

I wish I could recall where all the parts for the above animations came from but I am not sure. Some probably came from xda forum so if any of these were from something you created I'll gladly give credit. I did have to resize exactly 100 pictures to make them the correct size for the Galaxy S3. However the shutdown animation came from somewhere else and did not need to be resized or rebuilt. I used Samsung's Theme Designer to convert the files to the needed qmg format for Galaxy's. There is about 3 pages of instructions on how to do that Here
The .ogg files were from my own collection of Matrix sound files and ringtones and used another program to convert them from MP3's to OGG files.

BTW if I am wrong about not being able to use bootanimation.zip files on a Galaxy S3 please let me know. I tried every way to Sunday to try using them but had no luck. I don't mind flashing a good ROM but I don't trust flashing a bootanimation file and I'm not even sure you can do that on a stock S3 ROM. If anyone has more info on that please post here. I've still got a lot to learn