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With the release date of the Ubuntu phone Images announced, are any developers preparing to port it the the arc? I hope the spec can handle it as I would love Ubuntu to see my beloved Arc out!
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems
minimal specs are :512 mb -1 gb ram+
4-8GB eMMC + SD - we dont have enoth storge we have only 1 gb....
1ghz procesor +
Will ubuntu pwned android?
Hmmm short term answer will be NO
But long term, we wont know
what is eMMC?
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what is eMMC?
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It's internal storage
What if we use a mod like data2sd adatped for Ubuntu OS? Like the users of Asus Transformer, that used fast class 10 sd cards to dump all the system related files there? Will that be a possible solution?
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Porting Ubuntu Phone to Xperia Arc (S)
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What if we use a mod like data2sd adatped for Ubuntu OS? Like the users of Asus Transformer, that used fast class 10 sd cards to dump all the system related files there? Will that be a possible solution?
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It depends. You don't need to port stuff like data2sd, the best solution would be to mount some directories at the sdcard which aren't immediatly needed at boot. I want it as well, but I'm still rather unexperienced with porting os'es to ARM devices. I do know something about linux.
For example: In my (basically unused) Ubuntu installation (I run Arch Linux as main OS) 75% of the total 2.5 GiB is used by the dir '/usr'. If we could mount that on the sdcard, 1 GB is plenty for the rest. Putting '/usr' on another partition/disk is not that uncommon in linux, so it should work. Also, if you download applications, most of it goes in /usr. (other directories we have to put on the sdcard are /opt (some kind of /usr) and /home ofcourse)
Space is no problem. One of the problems is that the Xperia Arc runs on an ARMv7 processor, and the Galaxy Nexus (which will receive Ubuntu Phone on 22 feb) is ARMv9.
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It depends. You don't need to port stuff like data2sd, the best solution would be to mount some directories at the sdcard which aren't immediatly needed at boot. I want it as well, but I'm still rather unexperienced with porting os'es to ARM devices. I do know something about linux.
For example: In my (basically unused) Ubuntu installation (I run Arch Linux as main OS) 75% of the total 2.5 GiB is used by the dir '/usr'. If we could mount that on the sdcard, 1 GB is plenty for the rest. Putting '/usr' on another partition/disk is not that uncommon in linux, so it should work. Also, if you download applications, most of it goes in /usr. (other directories we have to put on the sdcard are /opt (some kind of /usr) and /home ofcourse)
Space is no problem. One of the problems is that the Xperia Arc runs on an ARMv7 processor, and the Galaxy Nexus (which will receive Ubuntu Phone on 22 feb) is ARMv9.
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I heard that the processor isn't a big problem, as it should run on wide range of devices. Something about kernels or something...
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I heard that the processor isn't a big problem, as it should run on wide range of devices. Something about kernels or something...
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'Big' is relative of course. We will need to compile everything for ARMv7, because I assume Canonical won't have repositories for every architecture possible from the start. If Canonical releases ARMv7 stuff from the start, the main problem would be to get the different components to work, just like an Android ROM. Ubuntu Phone will use Android drivers they said, so hopefully it'll work.
If there's anyone that wants this on their Xperia Arc S and wants to help as well, please contact me or post something in this forum.
I will try my best to get this up and running on the Arc, but I can't promise anything. I'm not an experienced developer.
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'Big' is relative of course. We will need to compile everything for ARMv7, because I assume Canonical won't have repositories for every architecture possible from the start. If Canonical releases ARMv7 stuff from the start, the main problem would be to get the different components to work, just like an Android ROM. Ubuntu Phone will use Android drivers they said, so hopefully it'll work.
If there's anyone that wants this on their Xperia Arc S and wants to help as well, please contact me or post something in this forum.
I will try my best to get this up and running on the Arc, but I can't promise anything. I'm not an experienced developer.
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i am ready to help, although i dont have any experience with these kinds of developement.
i have an lt18i.
I think we are waiting on ubuntu to publish the wiki page about how to port it to other devices, once its up then we can have a crack at it
It is published. unfortunately i cant sync those HUGE sources because of low diskspace left (for compiling which has been taken up by other projects). hopefully as i clean up, you may expect a build soon. I said may, not will.
disc space isn't an issue over this end, how big is it?
Edit: 15GB, thats a big download.. D:
Around 15 gigs I think. With more needed for binary compiling. It says so in the guide
Im on a 40gb download limit a month, and I've already used most of it up :/
i would love to have a port of this
but unfortunatly, i am not able to help, as i do not know how to succesfully port
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I'm ready to help, I'm not s dev but would be willing to test though.
Roland
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Hello everyone, I want, just like you, Ubuntu Touch on my Xperia Arc (S). I'm willing to spend a lot of time on it, although I'm not an experienced developer, I think I might be able to do it. For the moment, I have no immediate plans to port it, I'm first trying to understand it better. I've already encountered a lot of possible problems, but thank Canonical that they have made Ubuntu Touch so easy to port. (based on CM 10.1, using the same display driver, ...)
I would like to have a list of people that want to help or test. I'm not a real fan of doing everything in a forum, so perhaps we could make a google project or so. What do you think?
As someone's who's just switched from a dual boot of linux mint / Windows 7. To Just Ubuntu, I would be interested if it were to come to our architecture, but I thought ubuntu needed dual core processors? And obviously HDMI won't be available.
Google Apps isn't native to ubuntu right? So what kind of ecosystem would we be moving to? Also there is no lockscreen which is a little concerning, but the device itself works like BlackBerrys new OS, which is nice.
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I would test it, as I'm no developer I can't do anything else
I'd like to replace Android with something like Ubuntu or Arch, however the only method I know of is Chroot. I find Chroot to be a bit too slow for my liking. Any tutorials to run Ubuntu natively have been for the OG N7. Is there any way possible to do it on our N7 2013?
I've been messing around with this a bit but couldn't get anything to boot, I'd like to know if there is anyone who made some progress
Hello.
My name is Mario. I'm a computer hobbyist. Recently I've bought the nexus 10. This project wants to virtualize android with kvm on top of ubuntu touch on the nexus 10. Someone has already did the most of the job,as you can see here :
http://www.virtualopensystems.com/media/chromebook/chromebook.pdf
they have used the arm chromebook,but IF I don't get wrong,it uses the same board,the exynos 5 with 2 arm cpu's. The only difference between the arm chromebook and the nexus 10 is the boot procedure. Virtual Open System did a proof of concept. They did not complete the project. In particular these features are missing :
Guest Sound support
A way to assign USB devices to the guest
Hardware acceleration
chroot integration in the default OS to achieve better integration with ubuntu
so the project that I would like to start wants to add these features to what virtual open systems did right now.
I know that usually Android run as Host OS and Ubuntu as guest os,but I think that Android is not a secure / powerful OS as Linux. I don't want to use it as HOST OS,but only as GUEST. Tell me what's your point of view. Thanks.
XDA:DevDB Information
Android and Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus 10 run together, a Kernel for the Google Nexus 10
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marietto2008
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Status: Testing
Created 2013-11-26
Last Updated 2013-12-05
I've been wanting to a Linux tablet for years. I'm actually holding out for the Microsoft Surface Pro to liquidate stock for $300 or so if that ever happens.
The problem I see with Linux running on the Nexus 10 is its 2 GB of memory, especially for any type of VM you want to run.
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I've been wanting to a Linux tablet for years. I'm actually holding out for the Microsoft Surface Pro to liquidate stock for $300 or so if that ever happens.
The problem I see with Linux running on the Nexus 10 is its 2 GB of memory, especially for any type of VM you want to run.
But yes, this project of running Linux out right on the tablet could work very well with a stripped down OS so not to take up too much room.
I really wished Google put a memory card on these things.
Looks like someone from Samsung has done something like this with the Xen port for ARM
http://vimeo.com/78023395
Technically speaking,which kind of way do you like between the multi-rom or the virtualization solution ? And what's the best virtualization tool between KVM and XEN ?
Someone is interested to work on this project ? It could be posted on Indiegogo..
http://whiteboard.ping.se/Android/Debian
d me going there with that headline,
im keen to try ubuntu touch on my N10,
I would think ( im not a android or linux , or any other kind of prog/ eng.) that a dualboot or multirom solution would be better than virtualisation, esp on low resource machine. each rom runs on its own so no sharing of common resources?, just my uneducated guess, but Ill keep an eye on this thread,
like to see what the final, or working solution is.
great efforts , thanks
stuie
stuartb88 said:
d me going there with that headline,
im keen to try ubuntu touch on my N10,
I would think ( im not a android or linux , or any other kind of prog/ eng.) that a dualboot or multirom solution would be better than virtualisation, esp on low resource machine. each rom runs on its own so no sharing of common resources?, just my uneducated guess, but Ill keep an eye on this thread,
like to see what the final, or working solution is.
great efforts , thanks
stuie
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I'll save you the trouble... You flash the entire ROM over your firmware (don't worry, you can revert back to Android by flashing the firmware back).
When I ran Ubuntu Touch on my Next 10, it was... HORRIBLE. The extreme lag and performance issues made it utterly useless. Completely useless. This was about 6 months ago.
Went back and am running latest Android now, nice and speedy.
Tried Ubuntu touch as well. If Touch had been a full x86 Ubuntu experience, maybe I'd use it for a while. But it's Ubuntu with even less software than regular Ubuntu/Lunux.
So back to Android. ��
If you want to try it you can follow this guide:
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/sta...installing-ubuntu-for-devices/#install-ubuntu
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Currently I'm running Debian Wheezy [armel] [xfce] on my vk810. I love this app; however I would like to use the framebuffer instead of VNC.
I am also having issues properly configuring the frame buffer so that it functions. currently the device freezes when I stop the android gui and initiate the debian gui. I have yet to get it working successfully, trying multiple DPI, and frame buffer settings.
I'm thinking it would be awesome to run debian from my vk810, having the enviroment displayed through my slimport. Idealy it would be nice to assign debian a seperate framebuffer than the android enviroment so that I can use both enviroments simultaniously without using a 3rd party machine running the VNC client.
So.
Has anyone had any luck with successfully running the linux deploy enviroment through their frame buffer, if so what settings/enviroment/architecture did you use.
Is it possible to run android and linux deploy environments on seperate frame buffers? ie. Android on the device display and debian on the slimport attached display.
I'd also love to hear some feedback from those who have been successfully using Linux Deploy on their LG G Tab 8.3's. What do you find works best, what distro/arch are you running, and how are you dealing with limited arm7 support.
For those of you who do not know what Linux Deploy is, you can check it out here. If you also have a better recommendation for a linux deployment suite please share!
Thanks.
Very interested in this. Was running AntiX with Fluxbox, and now Mint on my laptop and couldn't get vnc to work at all. Must have been doing something wrong.
Anyway, having a separate partition for Linux on android would be awesome! Don't really know what I would do with it other than a decent browser and maybe gimp?
I'm willing to give it a go as well. I'm sure it will be a learning curve though.
How are you doing this with a locked boot loader? Or is it not relevant? Regards,
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Very interested in this. Was running AntiX with Fluxbox, and now Mint on my laptop and couldn't get vnc to work at all. Must have been doing something wrong.
Anyway, having a separate partition for Linux on android would be awesome! Don't really know what I would do with it other than a decent browser and maybe gimp?
I'm willing to give it a go as well. I'm sure it will be a learning curve though.
How are you doing this with a locked boot loader? Or is it not relevant? Regards,
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basically you use the already running kernal for your android system, using linux deploy or a few other scripts i've seen around the web allow you to boot an armel or armhf architecture using the already running android kernal.
To get a native debian or Arch system running on this device would be awesome, but I would just be happy with figuring out native frame buffer setup and having the ability to switch from the device screen or the slimport hdmi output.
I'm thinking this may be possible seeing how the device screen has an independent frame buffer from the slimport [fb1].
I'm personally just starting to experiment with it, I'm not that experienced but I think it has a lot of potential on the vk810, not just because of the dpi [243] but also becuase of the slimport accessibility.
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basically you use the already running kernal for your android system, using linux deploy or a few other scripts i've seen around the web allow you to boot an armel or armhf architecture using the already running android kernal.
To get a native debian or Arch system running on this device would be awesome, but I would just be happy with figuring out native frame buffer setup and having the ability to switch from the device screen or the slimport hdmi output.
I'm thinking this may be possible seeing how the device screen has an independent frame buffer from the slimport [fb1].
I'm personally just starting to experiment with it, I'm not that experienced but I think it has a lot of potential on the vk810, not just because of the dpi [243] but also becuase of the slimport accessibility.
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I'm running the 510, so it may or may not be the same, but have you looked into the kernel settings for the framebuffer? When messing around in the 510 file I remember seeing a couple of options there for the config but don't know if they are relevant or not. I will look at it again to see if there might not be something else that needs to be turned on or compiled in.
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I'm running the 510, so it may or may not be the same, but have you looked into the kernel settings for the framebuffer? When messing around in the 510 file I remember seeing a couple of options there for the config but don't know if they are relevant or not. I will look at it again to see if there might not be something else that needs to be turned on or compiled in.
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I would look into the kernal issue but I have no idea what I'm doing. You could very well be right. I'm using the stock vk810 kernal I wonder if the 510 builds are compatible, and if they are if anyone has messed with the frame buffering.
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I would look into the kernal issue but I have no idea what I'm doing. You could very well be right. I'm using the stock vk810 kernal I wonder if the 510 builds are compatible, and if they are if anyone has messed with the frame buffering.
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Well, the cool thing is that if you look in my signature below you will see a link on How to roll your own kernel, and it is literally copy and paste all the way through. The only difference for your device would be in the read me that comes with the kernel source. Specifically, the version of the google toolchain to use, and the name of your devices "defconfig" in the kernel source..
In other words, one line to change slightly, and that's about it. You should be able to get the source from lg... Same basic location as I have outlined.
Wheezy should be just fine.
on another note, I did look at my kernel source file and for the most part everything looks real good. Slim bus is the way it should be with no further options and everything enabled. Frame buffer support should all be there except for console support. Which, I don't think we need any way. There was also support for virtual frame buffer, which is used for debugging purposes and I turned off for my most recent compile just to see how it'll work because it may or may not use a little more memory. Also there was a pretty cool option for turning on one of three Linux logos for your Android during boot I may mess with that a little bit.
Seriously, you should check out the kernel building. Its all there. The only thing that isn't is the Loki support, and that should be no sweat using one of the 500 kernel zip scripts. Either of the other two active kernel developers would help you with that. I'm sure.
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Okay, just checked out linux deploy through your link. Looks pretty cool but I dont understand the vnc bit. Is it installing a linux image on the sdcard and then booting from that? AND where does vnc come in? is it all in the device itself?
Okay, I get it now. Am downloading now. Using Ubuntu with precise and armhf. We'll see
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Okay, I get it now. Am downloading now. Using Ubuntu with precise and armhf. We'll see
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Yeah the VNC work around is kind of gimmicky, it also is assumed as the default config. I'm sure what is being done with Linux Deploy is easily accomplished with chroot and a few scripts in android terminal, but the gui is pretty straightforward and has worked pretty well for the distro's i've tried it with. Like I said earlier our LG's have a lot of potential with the slimport and the ability to run two environments side by side.
I just started reading into your make your own kernal I'm looking forward to what I learn. Thanks so much for this resource!
Okay, couple of things...
Our devices should support armhf no problem and it will be faster than armel. Also, might want to go testing rather than wheezy even though wheezy will be stable. I'm thinking here of the packages for armhf, and I really don't have any evidence this would be better. just a thought.
Also, From what ive read (which isn't much yet), SSH is what most are using as an interface, but vnc is for the graphical environment? Eh.. okay.
Our framebuffer should support 32 bit. I don;t have a clue about most of this yet.
Tried the unbuntu distro and there were packages missing. giving it a go on Debian testing now. Probably be tomorrow before I try anything more.
Looked up other ways to install linux and only saw this and another as a viable option, with this one being the better of the two.
and, here's the skinny...Debian Wheezy was the only one that would work. I tried testing, unstable, and squeeze. I didn't feel the need to go back any further.
using the frame buffer only wouldn't help you unless all you wanted to use is the terminal environment. All of the controls are through the VNC client. This kind of makes the framebuffer environment obsolete unless you have only a specific task in a script that you want to run.
I was able to use armhf no problem it worked just fine. I also used multi VNC as my VNC client.
I understand what they did now. I think it would be easier to simply break apart their program to see what all was put into the image, make your own image on your home computer with everything that you want to have. for instance, instead of using Debian Wheezy, you can use a lite version of Debian running fluxbox, with only the apps that you think are good, and nothing else and transfer it over to your tablet. This would make the image very small. I didn't have any trouble at all with the processing power of our tablet. So that won't really be a factor, but space will.
the 1 item I discussed being off in the kernel may very well be the one that needs to be checked in order to use the frame buffer. Or it is also possible that there is only one option that he gives that allows for that and you can see that option when you set everything up. if I remember right, it was under the distribution choices? Anyway, not a very usable or useful beastie at this point is it? I downloaded gimp and Iceweasel just to try a few apps and it pretty much sucked trying to navigate around.
if you can think of some really cool reason to use it, maybe some script or useful app that doesn't require a lot of navigation I might try to build an image with it already together.
Is there any dev out there that would be interested in bringing Ubuntu touch to our ZF2?
Quite an interesting OS and seems like it would fit in great with the x86 CPU we have available to us.
I know there are other threads requesting this no dev responded to it saying if it would be feasible or impossible to do so.
I like to do it , but you know our device is a x86-64 and ubuntu touch is a project for ARM arch , I'll check it if there is any chance !
but if you want linux in your device you can use kali nethunter , that i am makeing flashable zip for zf2 with say99's help and support .
it is based on debian just like ubuntu ...
miradli said:
I like to do it , but you know our device is a x86-64 and ubuntu touch is a project for ARM arch , I'll check it if there is any chance !
but if you want linux in your device you can use kali nethunter , that i am makeing flashable zip for zf2 with say99's help and support .
it is based on debian just like ubuntu ...
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Thank you as long as it is attempted, I'll be happy.
Yes I have tried many of those other methods for running Linux but none work for the 16gb Ze551ml as apparently Linux deploy can't use the external SD card.
I'll definitely try out yours when it is ready!
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Thank you as long as it is attempted, I'll be happy.
Yes I have tried many of those other methods for running Linux but none work for the 16gb Ze551ml as apparently Linux deploy can't use the external SD card.
I'll definitely try out yours when it is ready!
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now you can try it , the flashable zip file are here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/development/kali-nethunter-t3329426/post65669770#post65669770
Christopher876 said:
Is there any dev out there that would be interested in bringing Ubuntu touch to our ZF2?
Quite an interesting OS and seems like it would fit in great with the x86 CPU we have available to us.
I know there are other threads requesting this no dev responded to it saying if it would be feasible or impossible to do so.
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I know alot of you guys want ubuntu touch on the zenfone just for something different but its not worth it considering all the work that would have to be put into it just "to try something new". ubuntu touch is miles behind android
All other ubuntu phones are ARM based - if you'd try, this would be the first one on an intel chipset. I imagine there are a lot of things broken in the x64 version of the code since no one's really using it. If you do, please do check out ubports.com which has other open source ports of android device.
Personally, i own a BQ Aquarius 4.5 with ubuntu touch because i was interested enough to want to play around with it. It is a functional OS, but it lags heavily in apps. The OS is also very tightly screwed down - every app must run in user space with only write access to the user home. Interaction is limited through the ubuntu service layer, which means its quite difficult to code an app for say - whatsapp - because the service layer must sit in between you and the whatsapp API.
The major promise of Ubuntu is the convergent future - where the phone or tablet can actually run the full ubuntu API with access to all regular ubuntu apps, either old (sandboxed in lxc/lxd) or new (running natively). The zenfone can definately run both but it lacks the usb c and mhl connectivity to drive a screen directly; perhaps when miracast is implemented properly in ubuntu OS it may become interesting to port. Until then, I'm not sure its worth the effort and all the x64 bughunting.
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I know alot of you guys want ubuntu touch on the zenfone just for something different but its not worth it considering all the work that would have to be put into it just "to try something new". ubuntu touch is miles behind android
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Rogier Oudshoorn said:
All other ubuntu phones are ARM based - if you'd try, this would be the first one on an intel chipset. I imagine there are a lot of things broken in the x64 version of the code since no one's really using it. If you do, please do check out ubports.com which has other open source ports of android device.
Personally, i own a BQ Aquarius 4.5 with ubuntu touch because i was interested enough to want to play around with it. It is a functional OS, but it lags heavily in apps. The OS is also very tightly screwed down - every app must run in user space with only write access to the user home. Interaction is limited through the ubuntu service layer, which means its quite difficult to code an app for say - whatsapp - because the service layer must sit in between you and the whatsapp API.
The major promise of Ubuntu is the convergent future - where the phone or tablet can actually run the full ubuntu API with access to all regular ubuntu apps, either old (sandboxed in lxc/lxd) or new (running natively). The zenfone can definately run both but it lacks the usb c and mhl connectivity to drive a screen directly; perhaps when miracast is implemented properly in ubuntu OS it may become interesting to port. Until then, I'm not sure its worth the effort and all the x64 bughunting.
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I see. From these two answers it just isn't worth the work so I think just waiting is the best option and seeing if Ubuntu Touch develops more and if they support x86.
Never understood that this was the reason and I had always thought that it would be logical for Ubuntu Touch to support x86 rather than ARM. Thanks for these answers and clearing things up!
You're right that it might have made sense for Canonical to build on top of x64 primarily, but i believe they started the project in 2013 before there were any intel based phones on the market. Perhaps if ASUS and intel were quicker, it would have been