The MHL port on the HTC One X is a real MHL port.
Now, you probably didn't think you had to worry about such a thing, but owners of the Galaxy SIII have discovered that it has a fake MHL port.
There's more about this here, but the main take away is that you should avoid Samsung branded MHL accessories as some of them won't work with the real MHL.
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The MHL port on the HTC One X is a real MHL port.
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Now, now. The SGS3's MHL port is fine and works as advertised. People are pissed that in order to use it they need to buy a new MHL adapter that's required on the SGS3 and all newer Samsung devices because they changed the design. People that have the HTC D100 MediaLink that no longer works on the One series feel the same way.
And speaking of "ports," until we get USB To Go working, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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Now, now. The SGS3's MHL port is fine and works as advertised. People are pissed that in order to use it they need to buy a new MHL adapter that's required on the SGS3 and all newer Samsung devices because they changed the design. People that have the HTC D100 MediaLink that no longer works on the One series feel the same way.
And speaking of "ports," until we get USB To Go working, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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It was advertised as having an MHL port. There have been 100 different MHL products, shipping 50 million units in 2011 alone, and every one of them is compatible with the HTC One X.
Like all of them, the SGSIII is advertised as supporting MHL, but is compatible with none of them. You consider that to be working as advertised?
And what makes you think that Sammie will use the same connector on future products. They have never said that, and given that they don't feel confined by any requirement for compatibility, they are now free to use a new connector on every successive generation.
As for HTC's proprietary MediaLink, that's bad too, but HTC communicated very clearly with their users so there was no misunderstanding or false advertising.
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It was advertised as having an MHL port. There have been 100 different MHL products, shipping 50 million units in 2011 alone.
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And probably used by less than 5-10% of smartphone owners. I want my team to win as badly as you do but this really isn't that big a deal. And within a couple of weeks you'll be able to find new Chinese MHL adapters that work with the new pin out for $5. You also skipped over our lack of USB To Go which impacts just as big an audience. No phone's perfect and will please everyone equally. Samsung will sell just as many gazillion SGS3's with or without this "expose."
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...I want my team to win as badly as you do but this really isn't that big a deal...
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This has nothing to do with 'team'. I'm not even clear what you think my team is (I don't have an HTC One X).
I guess if I had a team it would be consumers and standards.
A vendor releasing a product that still has bugs (if that is the problem with your USB on-the-go) is pretty ordinary. A vendor under-cutting a standard and intentionally tricking their users the way that Samsung has is rather new.
If you think this is no big deal then you must roll over at anything. And if that is people's reaction when a vendor pulls a move like this then I guess they can get away with pretty much anything.
I also don't think it is the XDA way to say that others should just roll over and stop whining. That's the Apple (iSheep) way, not the XDA way.
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I don't have an HTC One X... ...I guess if I had a team it would be consumers and standards.
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Since this is a One X forum and your crusade is consumerism in general, you really don't belong here. There are plenty of real and far more significant issues we're having with HTC regarding warranties and quality and timing of repairs than to take on a crusade we have no investment in. This thread will be closed soon anyway.
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Since this is a One X forum and your crusade is consumerism in general, you really don't belong here. There are plenty of real and far more significant issues we're having with HTC regarding warranties and quality and timing of repairs than to take on a crusade we have no investment in. This thread will be closed soon anyway.
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But what's wrong with my promoting a consumer issue? I have no personal financial or professional interest in this - I'm putting an effort into this because I believe in standards. Is that really the sort of thing that deserves to be shut down?
As for why I put a message in the general forum for the One X it is because a One X owner could well purchase a Samsung MHL adapter thinking that it would work with their phone and it might not (depending on which one they get).
I know that you have more important issues, but every post doesn't have to pass a 'most important issue' test, particularly in the general forum.
I don’t see this as such a big issue. Because in most cases you need to buy a MHL adaptor anyway, so why not get the Samsung official accessory for $30 and be done with it? After all, $30 is not a huge amount when talking about a $700 phone; and its not something most people would want anyway. MHL is a wired connection, so even for those extremely few people who actually have a MHL capable device, adding a small dongle and connecting over HDMI is not going to add any bulk anyway. The only instance I would see this as a problem is if companies start to come up with small portable tablet extensions like the Padfone utilizing the MHL standard. But so far there are no such devices, and if it really becomes a hit, I’m pretty sure Samsung will release another simpler cable adaptor to support the standard MHL interface.
All in all, like BarryH_GEG said , there are far more pressing issues with One X compared to S3 than a small non conformity of a relativity new/unpopular standard (for which there is a working solution = buy the samsung adapter). When I was considering which to buy even though I knew about the MHL issue, I couldn't care less ; not because I don't use it (in fact I do have a generic MHL adapter for my One X), its because it was really not an issue worth considering.
So the feature works as intended? Great, then we don't need a thread for it...
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Sorry if this has been addressed but I searched and have not seen any updates in days, and those were just interested people no developers. Have all the developers given on this? Very disappointed here.
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What are you asking about it?
I have fresh rom and hdmi out works great, just wish there was a way to see the whole thing instead of just pics/movies.
last year I had the htc omnia with windowsmobile and could connect it to tv with av cables and see whole system on tv, it was only cool feature about it....lol
Sorry for not specifying, I meant full external monitor support. I bought a bluetooth keyboard and mouse specifically for this purpose and feel completely ripped off. Thought one of the devs would have a solution a week after the phone came out but no one seems to care at all
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I'm pretty excited about this too. Hopefully it will happen eventually.
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Not to sound disheartening or anything, but I just don't think there is that much of a demand for this.
I am sure that one of the devs will get it going sometime though, just might be a while.
I think if the demand's not there, it's only because people haven't thought much about the possibilities. I'm thinking of a future where you don't own a desktop computer. Instead, you come home from work, drop your phone into a cradle that charges the phone and makes a video connection to a monitor. The phone then pairs with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse literally becoming a computer and when you leave for work the next morning you take your computer with you as a phone.
Granted, the Evo is a little short on specs to be a main computer for most (it's probably about equal to a '02 Compaq Presario 5400) but I expect the performance will improve dramatically in future models considering some of the tech that's rumored to be on the horizon. I'd really like to see it happen with the Evo just to show the possibilities if nothing else. Besides, with the bluetooth changes in CM6 allowing the use of input devices, we're halfway there. Just need to get that pesky video out problem solved.
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I think if the demand's not there, it's only because people haven't thought much about the possibilities. I'm thinking of a future where you don't own a desktop computer. Instead, you come home from work, drop your phone into a cradle that charges the phone and makes a video connection to a monitor. The phone then pairs with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse literally becoming a computer and when you leave for work the next morning you take your computer with you as a phone.
Granted, the Evo is a little short on specs to be a main computer for most (it's probably about equal to a '02 Compaq Presario 5400) but I expect the performance will improve dramatically in future models considering some of the tech that's rumored to be on the horizon. I'd really like to see it happen with the Evo just to show the possibilities if nothing else. Besides, with the bluetooth changes in CM6 allowing the use of input devices, we're halfway there. Just need to get that pesky video out problem solved.
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You & I buddy, we see things the same way.
Maybe we should take a poll of the community to gague interest on who might actually use this feature if the dev's got it working.
Personally I would love to see this technology paired with a USB HOST driver so that we can dock our EVO's into something and actually energize not only the monitor but also be connected to anything tethered to the dock via USB. (keyb/mouse mainly, but also storage!)
I hope you don't feel 'ripped off' by the development community who seems to give 110% almost all the time, and instead feel 'ripped off' by HTC not providing this type of functionality out of the gate, which in my mind would TOTALLY be a game changer.
Anyhow, you're not alone, it just seems we've got no developer to champion our cause just yet, or if we do, i'm not aware.
--- Now, I know it's not gonna help us with the EVO/HDMI interaction we're thinking about here but i'm personally hoping that by the time Intel's LightPeak lands in cell phones that manufacturers start to grasp this "cellphone centric" world view that we have.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/194226/intel_says_its_light_peak_optical_cables_may_succeed_usb.html
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You & I buddy, we see things the same way.
Maybe we should take a poll of the community to gague interest on who might actually use this feature if the dev's got it working.
Personally I would love to see this technology paired with a USB HOST driver so that we can dock our EVO's into something and actually energize not only the monitor but also be connected to anything tethered to the dock via USB. (keyb/mouse mainly, but also storage!)
I hope you don't feel 'ripped off' by the development community who seems to give 110% almost all the time, and instead feel 'ripped off' by HTC not providing this type of functionality out of the gate, which in my mind would TOTALLY be a game changer.
Anyhow, you're not alone, it just seems we've got no developer to champion our cause just yet, or if we do, i'm not aware.
--- Now, I know it's not gonna help us with the EVO/HDMI interaction we're thinking about here but i'm personally hoping that by the time Intel's LightPeak lands in cell phones that manufacturers start to grasp this "cellphone centric" world view that we have.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/194226/intel_says_its_light_peak_optical_cables_may_succeed_usb.html
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USB host is a great idea. Not only for input devices and storage but also optical drives, scanners, and printers. Imagine ripping a DVD to mp4 for your phone using your phone (while docked). Of course the apps would have to be there to support those devices, but surely they would follow. Right now I'd be extremely happy just to see the basic groundwork in place (which it is excepting full UI out over hdmi). As to feeling ripped off, a few months ago I wouldn't have even thought it possible that a phone could do this. I don't feel ripped off a bit, definitely not by the development community, not even by HTC really. If anything I'm just really excited by the possibilities and willing to lend my voice to express support/interest so that hopefully the devs won't overlook this as something nobody's interested in.
metalmenance said:
What are you asking about it?
I have fresh rom and hdmi out works great, just wish there was a way to see the whole thing instead of just pics/movies.
last year I had the htc omnia with windowsmobile and could connect it to tv with av cables and see whole system on tv, it was only cool feature about it....lol
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What do you mean see the whole thing? Please elaborate for those of us who have yet to buy an hdmi cable.
I thought it would simply go into "mirror" mode, so whatever you see on your evo is mirrored on the TV, like how desktops work. Is that not the case?
Not the case.
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What do you mean see the whole thing? Please elaborate for those of us who have yet to buy an hdmi cable.
I thought it would simply go into "mirror" mode, so whatever you see on your evo is mirrored on the TV, like how desktops work. Is that not the case?
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Nope, it just shows pictures, videos, youtube, etc...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10253&cs_id=1025301
Cables are cheap though, buy one anyway. I keep one plugged into my TV and coiled up behind it. I just pull it out and plug my phone in if I want to show certain pictures/videos from my phone.
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Not the case.
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So, when you're using apps/games, they DO NOT display on the TV?
Geeze, what's the point then?
timmymacnj said:
Sorry for not specifying, I meant full external monitor support. I bought a bluetooth keyboard and mouse specifically for this purpose and feel completely ripped off. Thought one of the devs would have a solution a week after the phone came out but no one seems to care at all
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Its not that no one cares, its that it is going to RIDICULOUSLY HARD to get full HDMI out on the EVO. I've looked into it a fair amount with the intent of coming out with an app similar to Real HDMI for the EVO. The trick for getting full HDMI out for the Droid X won't work at all for EVO due to the way HTC (and possibly Sprint) have the software stack configured for HDMI output. Long story short, it will take a dev with massive experience/knowledge to get this working since it will require a hack at the kernel/ROM level as it looks impossible to get it working at the app layer.
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Nope, it just shows pictures, videos, youtube, etc...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10253&cs_id=1025301
Cables are cheap though, buy one anyway. I keep one plugged into my TV and coiled up behind it. I just pull it out and plug my phone in if I want to show certain pictures/videos from my phone.
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Thanks for the link, I put it on my "To Buy" queue for Monoprice
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Its not that no one cares, its that it is going to RIDICULOUSLY HARD to get full HDMI out on the EVO. I've looked into it a fair amount with the intent of coming out with an app similar to Real HDMI for the EVO. The trick for getting full HDMI out for the Droid X won't work at all for EVO due to the way HTC (and possibly Sprint) have the software stack configured for HDMI output. Long story short, it will take a dev with massive experience/knowledge to get this working since it will require a hack at the kernel/ROM level as it looks impossible to get it working at the app layer.
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Yeah I guess it is just my ignorance showing through, or maybe I just had my hopes too high. The attitude around here seems to be that our friends here will find a solution to any problem they throw at us, and I may have taken a little too much stock in that. Its not so much that I am saddened by the lack of success, it is just that with lots of searching, I can't seem to find one prominent developer working on this (barely mentioning it). I suppose I am just being a cry baby, but it is just a bummer when I look at the changelogs on roms/kernels, and I see some of the issues they spend their time working on vice things like this. I suppose if CyanogenMod didnt have to be elbow deep in WIMAX (the only other remaining feature I am dying for) this might be a different story. /Cry over
@timmymacnj: You could also post on HTC's facebook page and write to them as well. After all, if the Droid X can do it, then that's a feature that makes the Droid X better than the Evo.
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Not to sound disheartening or anything, but I just don't think there is that much of a demand for this.
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The industry as a whole is very short sighted. I use a Clarion Mind running XP SP3 as my carpc (800Mhz Atom, 512MB Ram) with no issues. Smart phones now are not to far off in specs. I've been waiting for some time for a "workstation in my pocket" type solution.
The EVO hardware supports "USB Host", HDMI (or DVI w/ an adapter), Bluetooth, WiFi, and others. All we need is USB Host (w/ HID ,mass storage, USB hub and LAN dongle support), full UI out via HDMI and bluetooth HID support. I have drawings for a dock on my workbench that has 2 usb ports, 10/100 port, 2.5" HD and DVI out. Throw in an office suite and a couple other apps and you end up with that "workstation in your pocket". Have the phone manufacturers charge $150 for it and buyers would still save money over an EVO plus netbook combo. There are a lot of companies that would benefit by giving their employees laptops but can't afford, this is an answer to that problem.
Real innovation is generally left to devs and hardware geeks. Then a couple years later the manufacturers say "Look at our cool new thingy aren't we the smart ones!"
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The industry as a whole is very short sighted. I use a Clarion Mind running XP SP3 as my carpc (800Mhz Atom, 512MB Ram) with no issues. Smart phones now are not to far off in specs. I've been waiting for some time for a "workstation in my pocket" type solution.
The EVO hardware supports "USB Host", HDMI (or DVI w/ an adapter), Bluetooth, WiFi, and others. All we need is USB Host (w/ HID ,mass storage, USB hub and LAN dongle support), full UI out via HDMI and bluetooth HID support. I have drawings for a dock on my workbench that has 2 usb ports, 10/100 port, 2.5" HD and DVI out. Throw in an office suite and a couple other apps and you end up with that "workstation in your pocket". Have the phone manufacturers charge $150 for it and buyers would still save money over an EVO plus netbook combo. There are a lot of companies that would benefit by giving their employees laptops but can't afford, this is an answer to that problem.
Real innovation is generally left to devs and hardware geeks. Then a couple years later the manufacturers say "Look at our cool new dock aren't we the smart!"
My $0.02
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When you say that smartphones today aren't too far off in spec from your Car PC, the EVO actually bests it (unless I'm missing something)!
Seriously. Talk about Eating Microsoft's lunch!
I'm glad to hear that i'm not living on a planet all by my lonesome wanting this to come true. I know it's a mountain and a half of work but at this point, it makes me sad to think.
"It really is just software"
I feel like I missed my calling when I could have learned how to code that software but chose another path instead.
Does anyone have any connections to dev's who have thought about tackling this? Specifically might the mountain be made into a little more like a large hill if we could apply some of the HDMI code base from something like the DROID X and apply it to the EVO? Is this just too much wishful thinking?
So, the FM radio is now working in CM nightly 116. I expect that means 4G will be coming at some point in the not too distant future and hopefully with those out of the way we'll see HDMI out getting some attention. I remember reading some articles back in July saying that full HDMI out was going to be a feature in CM6. Obviously that didn't happen, but hopefully it was just postponed and not abandoned. If full HDMI does make an appearance on the Evo, I expect that a later CM rom is where we'll see it first.
I believe a lot more people would be running CM ROMs if that happens...
Have you seen the Atrix laptop dock? I can't post a link. So, go to Engadget, search for Atrix, and watch the video they posted today.
Would you be interested in such a thing for your Evo?
I wonder if it's even possible. Beyond the technical details, Motorola might have a patent on the idea.
No joke, I have been telling the guys at my work since I got my Hero over a year ago that we should make a phone dock, and they kept telling me nobody would ever use it. Well, obviously I disagreed and so do people here. Anyway, check out this thread [here], and more specifically this post [here].
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No joke, I have been telling the guys at my work since I got my Hero over a year ago that we should make a phone dock, and they kept telling me nobody would ever use it. Well, obviously I disagreed and so do people here. Anyway, check out this thread [here], and more specifically this post [here].
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I got laughed at until I had someone make a quick CG video of what could be done with my dock. After that it was "when, where, how much". The Motorola dock is just the tip of the iceberg of my intended design.
I really like where this is going... Any laptop shell that will compete with Moto should have the host phone act as the trackpad/mouse in front, not back... HDMI in needs to be a tablet feature as well! NC2 i'm looking at you!!
I would would have bought this thing the same day I bought my Eva. Pls HTC, make something incredible.
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I really like where this is going... Any laptop shell that will compete with Moto should have the host phone act as the trackpad/mouse in front, not back... HDMI in needs to be a tablet feature as well! NC2 i'm looking at you!!
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That is the SAME exact thing I was thinking when I saw the Atrix, it's so awkward on the back and would be AMAZING as a multi-touch mousepad...
I also wonder if Motorola has a patent over this, I tried doing some research and I think a different company holds the patent to this kind of technology, even though the patent terms were very broad.
I really hope not, I am looking forward to see how competitors create similar accessories.
I would love to also see a tablet shell... because realistically I will never need both my phone and a tablet.
I can't imagine the Atrix webtop thing ever taking off. If you're gonna bring something the size of a laptop around with you that costs 500 bucks, you might as well buy and actual laptop that costs 500 bucks. The only thing that's cool is their desktop cradle thing, but again, desktops can be had for so cheap that do FAR more than moto's webtop does. It'll never catch on.
Maybe a mod using the Cr-48 notebook its about the same size we need a Dev to Hack it and maybe get it to Mirror the Phone then if we have someone make a custom cradle to attach to it. IMO
No way I would buy one for $500 though, I'd much rather buy a laptop for that price.
$500 plus the cost of the phone would be like over $700!
Why not just buy a sick netbook for 299.99 lol, wouldn't it do more?
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Why not just buy a sick netbook for 299.99 lol, wouldn't it do more?
~ d3rk
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Exactly. Or when android tablets get cheaper, get one of those.
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No way I would buy one for $500 though, I'd much rather buy a laptop for that price.
$500 plus the cost of the phone would be like over $700!
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Everything is more expensive than it should at the beginning of a trend. Eventually, prices do go down and become affordable. This new concept is no different. I think that within the next 6 months these webtops will be as affordable as netbooks.
I thought the Atrix price point was a bit wishful as well...
That price point makes things very unpractical. I have an ipad 1 now. Got it for $200 bucks from a buddy because he just NEEDED to get the ipad2 so I am perfectly happy in the tablet department. Rooted evo with tether makes it easy to get files to my jailbroken ipad
yea.. honestly that atrix lapdock is expensive for what it does. and with the evo still not having full hdmi out on the device out of the box, i don't see it happening. and the ports on our phones would make it hard to make a lapdock in a good size as our fone would have to sit straight up if it were on the back, if it were up front, it would have to mount on the side or something and wouldn't be able to use the screen as a mouse pad.
seems like it would be cool. but i don't think it'll ever happen til the next evo after the 3d.
A laptop dock will NEVER make sense. Just get a netbook or laptop, which you probably already have.
What might make sense is a "desktop mode" that switches on as soon as you connect it to a stand alone monitor. No dock needed. They just want to make a few extra bucks by selling you a dock.
I'm thinking about getting the asus eee pad transformer when it hit the U.S,.
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A laptop dock will NEVER make sense. Just get a netbook or laptop, which you probably already have.
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I must disagree here. I would love to have access to all my music, documents, programs, etc. at all times. I realize that you basically cam on your phone but sometimes it gets annoying having to type with my thumbs, or show pics/movies to my friends at 3.5 size.
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Does anyone know if the USB to HDMI cable has been released? Or is this just another so called promise from Samsung?
I've never seen any official specs that said it supports it, so technically it wasn't promised. It was rumored about alot and tons of news articles about it from that rumor, but afaik the only thing that said the vibrant would support HDMI out was a tweet putting us on the compatibility list. Samsung later confirmed that they mistakingly included the Vibrant on that list.
I'd love to have HDMI out too, so I can always hope that's wrong, but at the same time, have you ever tried TV out? Most of the things you'd want to use it for don't support it. Most the games I play when I have 'TV-out' on display on the TV "This application does not support TV-Out". Same thing when you try to watch Avatar or other movies. If that's how it will be with the HDMI out, it's not even worth the hassle.
There are also a bunch of articles coming out saying that the Galaxy S II is the first to use the dual port - usb / hdmi, so if that's the 'first' it sounds like we're SOL .
http://drippler.com/samsung-galaxy-...-port-for-dual-purpose-usb-or-hdmi-out-video/
yes! I can finally use the hdmi-micro usb cable that I bought from samsung in august.
just have to wait for the sgsII to be released with tmo bands
Thanks all... I have tried the TV out and I am just looking for a better picture than it provides. I really doubt that I will be picking up another samsung phone, especially one from T-Mobile. After getting over the release of 2.2, I'm now bitter about the release of the Vibrant 4G. I feel like I was a guinea pig for both companies.
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I really doubt that I will be picking up another samsung phone, especially one from T-Mobile. After getting over the release of 2.2, I'm now bitter about the release of the Vibrant 4G. I feel like I was a guinea pig for both companies.
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Good luck with your new phone / provider. You'll likely be treated to more of the same if not worse. In the Galaxy S saga, Verizon customers got the short end of the stick. T-Mobile customers may have had it the best . AT&T users probably 2nd after than followed by Sprint for 3rd. This outlook comes from working with people who have all these phones and talking to them daily. I'm thankful that I'm with T-Mobile but not thrilled having gone with Samsung.
Anyone who decides to become an early adopter for a new product series / line is in effect "a guinea pig" but this is nothing new. If you're bitter because you desire the features the 4G adds then that's silly since there's always something new coming out. Not much you can do about it.
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Good luck with your new phone / provider. You'll likely be treated to more of the same if not worse. In the Galaxy S saga, Verizon customers got the short end of the stick. T-Mobile customers may have had it the best . AT&T users probably 2nd after than followed by Sprint for 3rd. This outlook comes from working with people who have all these phones and talking to them daily. I'm thankful that I'm with T-Mobile but not thrilled having gone with Samsung.
Anyone who decides to become an early adopter for a new product series / line is in effect "a guinea pig" but this is nothing new. If you're bitter because you desire the features the 4G adds then that's silly since there's always something new coming out. Not much you can do about it.
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I do agree that T-Mobile is my best option. Hell, they've replaced my Vibrant 3 times already. I doubt that the other carriers would be so gracious. I said that I will not be picking up another samsung phone, not switching carriers for a new version of the phone.
As for being a guinea pig for the manufacturers, I understand this. However, there are things that are unacceptable for us guinea pigs, such as the empty promises and hardware that doesn't even work correctly, i.e. GPS. And I am not bitter because of 4G or even the ffc. I'm bitter because the Vibrant 4g is exactly the same as the 3G except for these features. It's almost as if they took all of the issues and complaints form the 3G owners and used the leftover 3G pieces and implemented the correct hardware 6 months later.
I'm not bitter, I'm just not a customer of Samsung's any longer. The samoled screen doesn't mean that much to me.
Thank god for Team Whiskey and the other development teams. And thank god for Android!
I totally understand that guinea pig feeling. I had a Moto Cliq before I got the Vibrant. Next Moto phone after that was the original Droid. That took off and the Cliq was practically forgotten.
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...such as the empty promises and hardware that doesn't even work correctly, i.e. GPS. And I am not bitter because of 4G or even the ffc...
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have you tried getting "GPS Aids" from the market? works like a charm. I no longer have a GPS issue.
does the tvout actually work and if so where can i buy a cable.
So... does the deafening echo in here mean that HDMI out was never achieved?
I never had a tablet or much desire to get one before. But after looking around for something for my senior citizen mom I found an A100 Open Box deal at Best Buy and wound up getting it for about $90.
For the most part I like it but I really hate that the power supply isn't some form of USB. But other more recent and much more expensive tabs that I've seen that are USB-charger based have crappy cameras or no camera flash (seriously? in this decade there are devices with like 1.2mp cams?!?!?).
So I have been trying to figure out which is more important to me and my mom - either a better camera with a flash in a heavy old-model tablet and a power supply that works with nothing else? Or a newer tab which would cost more money and have a crappy rear camera with no flash, but I wouldn't have to worry about forgetting the power supply at home?
For the price I paid, I think I got a good deal and would not find anything else in the same price range with comparable features. Unless you professional tablet users here have any ideas or thoughts about this
Thanks! Now let the "you're a stupid newbie" type of trashing begin lol
For me I like that's it's not power with USB, it's 12v so it's should be faster than USB and when I use it while it's plugged in the plug can spin around and I can move it out of the way, USB tends to stick out and get in the way. And a camera is important to me, never know when you'll need it.
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You can probably get a HP Touchpad or Nook HD+ around the same price; $100; but the screens would be larger compared to the 7" a100. I do not know what kind of charger they use, sorry.
My parents who are 60 use a Le Pan S tablet but it has its own type of USB connector for the table end.
Nook HD+ has a proprietary charger cable and there aren't any cheap knockoffs on eBay. I bought one a few weeks ago and really like the bigger screen and higher resolution. Screen comes close to an iPad retina, but its a little underpowered. No problems for surfing/videos/books, I haven't tried any games on it though. Drawbacks are (1) no camera, (2) proprietary charger cable, (3) proprietary hdmi out cable. Also no GPS.
Hey, get the A110!!!!! Upgraded a100, comes stock with 4.1 and a tetra 3. Or a nexus 7. It has a camera right? The mp doesn't matter nearly as much as the resolution. 12Gigapixles in a 12px x 12px square is pointless, see what I mean?
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She is getting used to it and is liking having the camera with a flash so it looks like we are indeed leaning more towards keeping it. However I got email from Acer tonight telling me that they invalidated my warranty registration because they don't provide any warranty on open-box items. That kinda stinks considering that it is over two years old and Best Buy told me that it is covered by the one year manufacturer warranty. But if I can't get Acer to change their mind and I do keep it, I might as well upgrade it to Jelly Bean, right?
Thanks.
Does anyone have any ideas what the average lifetime of this device is?
Thanks.
struff said:
Does anyone have any ideas what the average lifetime of this device is?
Thanks.
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Depends on use. My last one was brand new and died in 2 months, but that's under heavy developer use, otherwise it seems to be 1-2 years.
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struff said:
She is getting used to it and is liking having the camera with a flash so it looks like we are indeed leaning more towards keeping it. However I got email from Acer tonight telling me that they invalidated my warranty registration because they don't provide any warranty on open-box items. That kinda stinks considering that it is over two years old and Best Buy told me that it is covered by the one year manufacturer warranty. But if I can't get Acer to change their mind and I do keep it, I might as well upgrade it to Jelly Bean, right?
Thanks.
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That's not right about the warranty, Best Buy should be able to do something for you. If it were me I would take that email to Best Buy and tell them to either provide me with their own warranty coverage or let me return it. Best Buy customer service will sometimes pleasantly surprise you...
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That's not right about the warranty, Best Buy should be able to do something for you. If it were me I would take that email to Best Buy and tell them to either provide me with their own warranty coverage or let me return it. Best Buy customer service will sometimes pleasantly surprise you...
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I went. They can't do anything. They can't even sell me one of their Geek Squad warranties because the device was built two years ago and it already had one owner. They tried but their system wouldn't accept it.
Would have cost about a hundred bucks which is more than I paid for the device to begin with
pio_masaki said:
Depends on use. My last one was brand new and died in 2 months, but that's under heavy developer use, otherwise it seems to be 1-2 years.
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Mine lasted 11 months and I almost missed the warranty returning it.
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Ironicly, I stuck to Linux society's stuff that had "fixs" built in, then I flashed the updated twrp and a different kernel and like 2 weeks later it died. So whether or not they had a real effect, that up to you to decide.
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I just bought an Acer a100 this month. My first tablet. I was looking at the Nexus 7 and the Acer a110 as well.
I liked the fact that the A110 was more powerful but missing features present on the a100. I just couldn't get over the fact that the a110 didn't have a rear camera or gorilla glass.
But I did like the quad processor, the ddr3 ram and longer battery life. Maybe I'll get one of those in the future too but for now the a100 is pretty cool.
I'm pretty okay with all the rest of this phone, however the earbuds have really disappointed me, so much less than I expected from Motorola, they use to bundle better earbuds with their phones back in the days it was owned by Google (and prior to that).
Now they're shipping the Moto G5 with a pair of plasticky chinese rubbish, of which the only positive point is that it fits correctly into my ears, however all the rest sucks, the sound quality sucks, the build and the design sucks completely, the cord sucks... everything...
I don't know if it's only the Brazilian version, but I can buy a better pair of easbuds for about $5 in any store... I'm pretty sure of that, take a look at it, the most shameless and crappy - and the most chinese too, I suspect - buds I ever had...
Any phone Iv even bought the headphones are not very good quality - remember you are buying a phone not some headphones - if they provide high quality headphones the price of the phone will go up. I don't know about you but I would rather have the money I'm spending invested in the phone & not gimmicks that come with it.
Since this phone has a headphone jack you can buy your own quality headphones to use across all your current and future devices
Mine didn't even come with headphones and I paid like USD 320 for it, so feel lucky about it.
Most of the budget moto phones comes with the crappy headphone you received. I received the same with Moto E4 Plus.
LOL
I really do not know why you people are complaining about. You bought a Phone the headsets are a bonus and this happens with a lot of phones. Ex: The cameras from every phones are a joke when compared with professional cameras.
TheFixItMan said:
Any phone Iv even bought the headphones are not very good quality - remember you are buying a phone not some headphones - if they provide high quality headphones the price of the phone will go up. I don't know about you but I would rather have the money I'm spending invested in the phone & not gimmicks that come with it.
Since this phone has a headphone jack you can buy your own quality headphones to use across all your current and future devices
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What you said is pretty obvious, I already knew that a priori, that is, even if you didn't ever say anything, I would already know it.
It surprises me that nowadays in the internet forums it's like this: you write a post or a rant and someone comes with sideline comments that don't aim at the addressed issue's core. In other words, they answer your question, except for they didn't answer your question. Your comment seems totally irrelevant to the question I asked, seems more like it's attempt on bashing on me?
But maybe you misunderstood my purpose, so let me further clarify the purpose of my question, lest one misunderstands me once again.
I wrote this just because in the past I had other Motorola phones that came with at least regular or good phones, and now they're shipping with this crappy one. It goes all back to the P2K and the EZX eras. I had the Rokr E1, Rokr W5, Rokr E2, Rokr Z6, then the classy Razr V8. Now, this is the first time I buy a brand new Motorola phone in Android times, and having admired the brand for so much time, and having PAID MONEY for it, have you the right to say, be it in the internet, that I'm surprised (not angry or mad about that though :good of how crappy it is that they have included so cheap an accessory with their latest phone, an accessory so cheap that it probably didn't cost them a dollar, one that would have been better not to be included in the pack, IMO.
So point one is: this post is a rant and maybe an opportunity for discussion on the topic, which, as far as I know, are legal modalities in this community.
Point two is just the core of my question, the source of my quenches and doubts, which by the way moved my human nature with the deep necessity to ask other people if they are experiencing the same thing and if they have the same opinion, which by the way is completely legal in this community as well.
So point #2: I wished to know if it was only in Brazil that Motorola were shipping these earbuds, in other words if it was standard practice or not.
Now, as you see, when people ask things they have underlying reasons to do so, even if it - to your very eyes - looks absolutely like they don't.
So take no offense, just as I intend not to take any from you, or from anyone else in the internet. I encourage you to take my sarcasm as cold reasoning, of which the intention is to be a corrective measure, in search of one thing that we have a need for nowadays, that is, politeness in the internet...
XJeFX said:
Mine didn't even come with headphones and I paid like USD 320 for it, so feel lucky about it.
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Woah, that I wanted to know.
Where do you live?
(And indeed you paid a bit more than I did on mine, even if not much)
Pragnan Saha said:
Most of the budget moto phones comes with the crappy headphone you received. I received the same with Moto E4 Plus.
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Yeah, it feels it is standard practice.
I was going to buy the Lenovo K6, don't know how the healthy and active is the developer's community for that device though.
Dam0y said:
I really do not know why you people are complaining about. You bought a Phone the headsets are a bonus and this happens with a lot of phones. Ex: The cameras from every phones are a joke when compared with professional cameras.
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You're answering my question with the same sort of answer the first friend above has done it. Read my answer to his comment then you will understand why I have asked this question.
Goodbye and have a nice day.
Thank you for answering my question
freeZbies said:
So point one is: this post is a rant and maybe an opportunity for discussion on the topic, which, as far as I know, are legal modalities in this community.
Point two is just the core of my question, the source of my quenches and doubts, which by the way moved my human nature with the deep necessity to ask other people if they are experiencing the same thing and if they have the same opinion, which by the way is completely legal in this community as well.
So point #2: I wished to know if it was only in Brazil that Motorola were shipping these earbuds, in other words if it was standard practice or not.
Now, as you see, when people ask things they have underlying reasons to do so, even if it - to your very eyes - looks absolutely like they don't.
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Yes these discussions are perfectly fine however discussions really belong in the general section but I understand why you may have posted in the question and answer section
Yes these earphones are shipped with UK models too
In actual fact they are probably better than Samsung headphones which shipped with their galaxy phones as they are an even worse & more uncomfortable plastic
Goes back to my point of companies really just include these for testing purposes - to say here's some headphones so you can check all the phones hardware & functionality works. Because what they don't want is someone saying my headphone jack is faulty & they go well did you test it when you purchased it & the customer goes no I didn't have any headphones. Imagine if this complaint happened months after they bought it. In UK law technically its the retailer that should sort it but its a grey area & alot of hassle - after a year & the warranty is gone you have no chance without paying.
I know all that is a bit extreme but really it's the manufacturer saying well we gave you all the tools to test the product to make sure it works so we can provide a high level of customer service.
They may have been better quality in the past however with rising costs & the manufacturers wanting to keep prices low they look at how they can cut costs & remain competitive whilst keeping a quality product. At the end of the day as I said before you are buying a phone so anything else they can cut back on they will.