I upgraded my line to the SGS3 yesterday and now I'm noticing that my usage says certain usage out of 4 GB. Not sure what's going on but it appears like Sprint may be removing the unlimited data feature soon? They've been changing a lot of things on their website lately.
Anyways, Overstew sent me this picture of his usage.
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Anyone know what to think of it or are we just being paranoid?
Very interesting. Can you hop on their support chat and ask why you're showing a 4GB data limit? Mine is still showing unlimited, but I have not made any account changes or upgrades since 9/2011.
Unlimited Data is practically the only thing keeping me on Sprint. Hell, even T-Mobile is better...
Just noticed that's my screenshot lol.
I'll chat with them and see but I don't really see myself getting an accurate answer from Sprint reps.
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Just noticed that's my screenshot lol.
I'll chat with them and see but I don't really see myself getting an accurate answer from Sprint reps.
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That's weird looking/ First is shows there's a 4Gb limit on 3g and then it shows same 3G data being unlimited. Did you photoshop this overstew?
Look at the date. It says from 7/1 to 7/1...
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Lol, I think the more likely scenario is it's a website bug.
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might it me an LTE thing since they are bring out their new connections out, its only happening on the SG III?
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Looks like they prorated it for some unknown reason. The dates that say 7/1 to current are still unlimited.
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Maybe it's just a 4GB limit per day.
It might have been a bug with the 1 second Leap Second that happened at the end of last month. Just a guess since the billing cycle for the 4GB above is from 4/1 to 4/1.
For more information on it, click here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second
It's a website bug, I've had customers come in before showing the same thing.
Good luck trying to get anywhere near 4gigs on 3g
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They'll eventually dump unlimited, it's just a matter of time. I'll be switching to Verizon that same day.
mine still says unlimited on 3g/4g. Must be a mistake on ur acct.
Your inlet allowed so much on roaming networks.Sprints still unlimited.
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They'll eventually dump unlimited, it's just a matter of time. I'll be switching to Verizon that same day.
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There is no other reason to stick around, especially if you're on a family plan.
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Maybe it's just a 4GB limit per day.
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To tell you the truth I wouldn't mind if they did something like this. 4GB a day but still have unlimited data so u can use like 120GB in one month or maybe like 3GB or something. This will stop ppl that use wireless tether for free and download torrents all day and hog up all that bandwidth. Lol
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To tell you the truth I wouldn't mind if they did something like this. 4GB a day but still have unlimited data so u can use like 120GB in one month or maybe like 3GB or something. This will stop ppl that use wireless tether for free and download torrents all day and hog up all that bandwidth. Lol
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a packet is a packet, doesn't matter if it comes from a phone, a computer, or a leap frog toy that your 2 year old son wiped his boogers on. anyone with a clue would know you can torrent on your phone too. did you also forget that some people have done away with cable and simply stream netflix and hulu via HDMI from their phones to their TVs? what about some of the new games that require hundreds of MB of additional data to be downloaded to your sdcard before you can even play it? should they get charged tethering fees for not tethering even though they're using the same amount of data as someone who is?
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a packet is a packet, doesn't matter if it comes from a phone, a computer, or a leap frog toy that your 2 year old son wiped his boogers on. anyone with a clue would know you can torrent on your phone too. did you also forget that some people have done away with cable and simply stream netflix and hulu via HDMI from their phones to their TVs? what about some of the new games that require hundreds of MB of additional data to be downloaded to your sdcard before you can even play it? should they get charged tethering fees for not tethering even though they're using the same amount of data as someone who is?
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Cellular data was never meant to be a replacement for your home internet connection.
If you're going to stream Netflix or Hulu to your TV from your PHONE connection, then yes, I think you should get charged for that.
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So I know it really isn't unlimited data and its only 5gb cap but does that include wireless tethering for root users
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Don't know where you got that info but it most definitely is unlimited, there is no 5GB cap.
There is no cap, and Sprint doesn't know about your tethering provided you're using a Market app.
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Well it using the 3g data even if its a market app and I've read numerous times about the 5gb data cap they just put in place if u google it. It says 4g is unlimited but 3g is 5gb
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i went well over 20gigs this month using 3g and my bill was still the same... no throttling either. your fine.
There is NO cap for 3g/4g on Sprints network at all. There are people using 11GB+ a month with no overage fees(I am not one of them). There is how ever a roaming cap of 300MB.
And one more thing since I'm on a family plan I got a call asking how I already used 1gb and that we now have a 5gb data cap its all over google.
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Would you be so kind as to link us to where this claim is made? I googled it and everything I found says unlimited, including Sprint's website.
No Cap
I Then When Pass 5 10 20G On My Phone Tethering I Still on All Day and my bill be the same every month
The Only thing Might Happen Is The Severs Be Busy At Times N My Internet Runs Slow or my Internet dnt Be respondn
all over google? link please... im not buying it. Dont you think they would of called me since i used 27gigs this month and my bill was the same?
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I Then When Pass 5 10 20G On My Phone Tethering I Still on All Day and my bill be the same every month
The Only thing Might Happen Is The Severs Be Busy At Times N My Internet Runs Slow or my Internet dnt Be respondn
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Huh?
10char
I passed 5g tethering to my laptop and ps3 two months in a row
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Well it using the 3g data even if its a market app and I've read numerous times about the 5gb data cap they just put in place if u google it. It says 4g is unlimited but 3g is 5gb
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nope, they did have a typo on sprint's website that said that but it was changed a long time ago. If they wanted to they could easily find out if you are tethering though.
The 5gb on 3g cap is for the data cards that you plug into a computer this does not apply to sprint phones now at&t & verizon....
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as far as I can tell, its all unlimited, I had one month with almost 3gbs of roaming, no extra charge
There is no limit on 3G or WiMax data usage.
The sole limitations are as follows:
1) Your roaming data usage cannot be larger than your on-Sprint data usage, or else you will incur fees.
2) We will all smack you if you get ridiculous data usage, and Sprint then turns around and increases prices for unlimited data plans and/or eliminates unlimited data plans because of bandwidth hogs like you.
+1 There is ABSOLUTELY NO cap on phone data, only the broadband cards. I went through this last week with customer support then decided to ask our Sprint rep at Best Buy to confirm. The phone plan has absolutely no cap and if you use wifi tether they cant tell anything besides your phone is using data.
For anyone else wanting to argue this, hop on Live Chat with Sprint and verify
There may be a cap if he has a family plan. The $10 that every Evo owner used to moan about entitles us to no cap. However, Sprint has confirmed that any phone that doesn't pay this charge, including data cards, will be capped.
If his family is all on one plan, and only he has the Evo, they may be capping him somewhere.
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Hahahaha! I was wondering the same thing! Trying to read what that guy wrote was almost impossible.
i recieved a phone call from my father not sprint saying i used 1gb of the 5gb cap and me him and my bro have a 4g phone. maybe it is cards only but i dont know why he would tell me that. i pay the 10 extra too
What's the most data you've used in a cycle, and has anyone heard a peep from Verizon? My cycle starts on the 26th and I just cross the 10GB mark. Just curious, and thanks for your response.
Thanks for the reply, I'm wondering if at some point high usage will raise an eyebrow from Verizon. I mean, I'll probably break 15GB this month.
I've never gone over 1GB lol. I'm almost always around Wi-Fi. Most its been was like maybe 600MB.
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Far from my maximum, but I'd say it's about average. When I'm not downloading ROM's over 3G.
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I use around 18 every month... Lol
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I use around 18 every month... Lol
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18 gigs? See, now that's what I'm talking about. I'll get close to that this month. Once we get internet set up I won't use so much, or maybe I'll just get an LTE phone and run everthing off that.
Wow I feel so much better now Thanks! Wifi at my house is so flaky I've started tethering my phone, but I stopped since I was worried about using too much data. I'm only at about 4 gb with a week and a half left on my billing cycle. Guess I don't have to worry
At school, I'm always on 3g, because the wifi is flaky. So I usually use 3 gbs. At home, I'll stay on wifi and use about a gig for when I'm out and about.
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3GB on average for me never about 3.5GB
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Thanks for the reply, I'm wondering if at some point high usage will raise an eyebrow from Verizon. I mean, I'll probably break 15GB this month.
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Verizon has openly stated that they (will/have already) cap the top 5% of data users. You *might* fall into that category or maybe will soon.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379296,00.asp
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oops I mean throttle, not cap
Also it looks they will just be putting your data on lower priority. So if there's not too much 3G data demand in your area, you'll stream just as quickly.
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Verizon has openly stated that they (will/have already) cap the top 5% of data users. You *might* fall into that category or maybe will soon.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379296,00.asp
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Thanks for the info, no cap yet. If they do I'll be sure to let y'all know.
My highest was like august last year....13.6 gigs, the same month I rooted it lol
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I rarely go over 500MB, but I usually only read news on 3G. I use wi-fi every chance I get, too, though.
Well I'm well over 20 gigs and my cycle ends on the 26th, I'll let y'all know how it turns out. Do you realize if I was on the tiered plan that's supposed to be implemented on July 7th that'd be over $200 worth of data? That's rediculous...
I'm looking at 2.4GB and i'm only in day 3 of my cycle lol
Gotta love Netflix at work
The highest I believe I've gone is ~800-900MB. I think I average ~500MB per month. I'm around wifi a lot and I frequently turn my data off when I'm not using my phone.
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Well I'm well over 20 gigs and my cycle ends on the 26th, I'll let y'all know how it turns out. Do you realize if I was on the tiered plan that's supposed to be implemented on July 7th that'd be over $200 worth of data? That's rediculous...
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yah but since you have unlimited data you can keep that. verizon is goning to let you grandfather it.
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yah but since you have unlimited data you can keep that. verizon is goning to let you grandfather it.
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I know, I'm just using that as an example. The pricing is ridiculous. I'm actually giving my wife the Inc and getting a Thunderbolt so we'll have two grandfathered unlimited plans. And we have LTE here, wonder how much data I'll use then.
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I was around 16GB last month. I've only had a data plan for a few months now...the Dinc being my first smartphone. I'll be honest, I'm on a budget and I always get good 3G in my apartment (usually reach around 1Mbps, which is acceptable to me), so I dropped my $40/mo AT&T DSL in favor of using my phone as my main internet via tethering, and I haven't looked back. So glad I'm grandfathered with my unlimited data, but I'm totally prepared if my plans fall through and I have to go back to DSL...I figure it's just a matter of time.
like the title says. ive been throttled. now my phone is usless. cmon i only got to 5gb thats all. . now i have to wait .
b0ricuaguerrero said:
like the title says. ive been throttled. now my phone is usless. cmon i only got to 5gb thats all. . now i have to wait .
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LOLZ...how did you manage that? I'm a long-time customer so I'm hoping that I have a true "unlimited" plan that I paid for. I think the limits only apply to recently signed up customers.
<fingers crossed>
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LOLZ...how did you manage that? I'm a long-time customer so I'm hoping that I have a true "unlimited" plan that I paid for. I think the limits only apply to recently signed up customers.
<fingers crossed>
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i dont recall. maybe i was tehtering, to watch netflix on the ps3 at my home girls house who knows lol .ive been with tmo since 05-06
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At least you take it lightly
Honestly, 5GB is a lot and if you are using your phones tethering to run your home internet well gotta put that one on you...haha. How many movies did you stream and were they in HD? =)
Throttling always stinks though...I am fairly new to TMO but is there a way to pay more to get it turned back on? Luckily I am on a huge business plan so we don't have throttling.
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At least you take it lightly
Honestly, 5GB is a lot and if you are using your phones tethering to run your home internet well gotta put that one on you...haha. How many movies did you stream and were they in HD? =)
Throttling always stinks though...I am fairly new to TMO but is there a way to pay more to get it turned back on? Luckily I am on a huge business plan so we don't have throttling.
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i usually do no more than 2gb a month. but i guess i went ape **** this month. must of been a few movies. i only tether when her wifi is down. now i have to wait until the 2nd of next month
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i dont recall. maybe i was tehtering, to watch netflix on the ps3 at my home girls house who knows lol .ive been with tmo since 05-06
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How do you get that screen on your phone? Want to know my bandwidth usage.
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How do you get that screen on your phone? Want to know my bandwidth usage.
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It's the T-Mobile "My Account" App
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.tmobile.selfhelp&feature=search_result
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LOLZ...how did you manage that? I'm a long-time customer so I'm hoping that I have a true "unlimited" plan that I paid for. I think the limits only apply to recently signed up customers.
<fingers crossed>
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Nope. Everybody gets it after 5.
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Nope. Everybody gets it after 5.
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lol i did 5.09
look for speed test on the market, its an app
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look for speed test on the market, its an app
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he wasnt asking for that. he wants to know how much data he has used for the month. thats the my account app. you mistaken it for benchmarking the network speed
i upgraded to the 10gb cap because I burn through data like no tomorrow.
before I updated my plan I couldnt check my data use but they did throttle me.
many times before I had ran xbox live and world of warcraft through my phone and never got throttled. So I think they are watching closer!
How much for the 10 GB cap?
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I hit the 5gb soft cap of the old "unlimited plan" about 6 months ago. I stream slacker radio from my desk almost all day every day. I hit it 2 days prior to my cycle so it was ok I think that month i hit 5.5gb's lol
Its like 60
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this is my first data package, il prob b under 2 gb
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i usually do no more than 2gb a month. but i guess i went ape **** this month. must of been a few movies. i only tether when her wifi is down. now i have to wait until the 2nd of next month
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wholey shizzzz, that is barely usable !
Wow thats cool about the T-mobile "my account" app, I had never used that before lol. Maybe all this bloatware isn't as worthless as I thought? Regardless I'm interested to see how much data I'll gobble up a month with this phone...
Ouch that hurts to even see that. [email protected][email protected]$
Hang in there...
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i usually do no more than 2gb a month. but i guess i went ape **** this month. must of been a few movies. i only tether when her wifi is down. now i have to wait until the 2nd of next month
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i went over my 5gb data last month cause my internet went out and i tethered to my desktop. i did it for about 5 days (mostly nights when i am at the desktop) streaming youtubes and show series. my bill cycle was ending so i didnt care if i get capped but it really sucks because its god awfully slow..
I just got a call from sprint customer service warning me that they were going to cut me off if I didn't stop tethering.... I did it once to allow my dad to use his laptop to take care of his bills while he is recovering from a triple bypass.. once in 6 months and I get called and warned.. talk about tight! Gimme a break sprint! What a joke! I was deciding between sprint and AT&T when I got my s3 so I may just go that route anyway if Sprint are going to be that ridiculous about it... just a fair warning. ... I was using foxfi with a Bluetooth tether to do it. Whatever you do... don't tether like that or Sprint will call and threaten you...
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I never got a call
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I just got a call from sprint customer service warning me that they were going to cut me off if I didn't stop tethering.... I did it once to allow my dad to use his laptop to take care of his bills while he is recovering from a triple bypass.. once in 6 months and I get called and warned.. talk about tight! Gimme a break sprint! What a joke! I was deciding between sprint and AT&T when I got my s3 so I may just go that route anyway if Sprint are going to be that ridiculous about it... just a fair warning. ... I was using foxfi with a Bluetooth tether to do it. Whatever you do... don't tether like that or Sprint will call and threaten you...
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Sprint offers unlimited data, texts, and calls. Tethering requires a different plan and its limited. If you're tethering for free, you don't have anything to complain about.
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Sprint offers unlimited data, texts, and calls. Tethering requires a different plan and its limited. If you're tethering for free, you don't have anything to complain about.
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What this guy said. The official tether option is considered a add-on, not included in your unlimited data.
Unlimited data only covers the data going to phone not to another device.
I guess you didn't read your tos agreement.
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I have been with sprint for 2 years with my evo4g rooted and using WiFi tether, I connect everything to it and download music, videos, streaming movies and games and never got any call.
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Oh gosh another of these threads....
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I just got a call from sprint customer service warning me that they were going to cut me off if I didn't stop tethering.... I did it once to allow my dad to use his laptop to take care of his bills while he is recovering from a triple bypass.. once in 6 months and I get called and warned.. talk about tight! Gimme a break sprint! What a joke! I was deciding between sprint and AT&T when I got my s3 so I may just go that route anyway if Sprint are going to be that ridiculous about it... just a fair warning. ... I was using foxfi with a Bluetooth tether to do it. Whatever you do... don't tether like that or Sprint will call and threaten you...
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Might be something with that certain program or bluetooth. I've tethered to the Nexus 7 for 300+MB games, and even whole movie downloads prior with the wifi tether options listed here on xda and never had any issues. What the other say is correct though, the plan does only cover unlimited data to the phone.
Fun times either way, thanks for the heads up !
Sprint is Unlimited if you follow the TOS you agreed to.
Nuff said
While Sprint CEO Dan Hesse appeared at Citi’s Entertainment, Media and Telecommunications conference Thursday to talk up Sprint’s new LTE plans, he let slip a change in Sprint’s data policies that could have a big impact on iPhone and other smartphone customers lured in by Sprint’s unlimited plans. Hesse acknowledged that Sprint has been throttling back speeds to the 1 percent heaviest consumers of smartphone data. While technically, the service is still unlimited, the admission leaves egg on Hesse’s face since he’s criticized the competition for adopting similar data restrictions in the past.
Felt I had to out this out their as a reply to the last thread about this >=]
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http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/13/t-mobile-cracks-down-on-data-abusers/
Seems like it won't affect people using a vpn, since it's all routed through 1 ip and it doesn't seem like they are determining this by how much, but if they detect you using torrent apps and things like that. Still alot of the changes T-Mobile are making lately seem to be anti consumer, ie Jump not being every 6 months anymore, trying to do away with corporate plans before the backlash, raising prices on plans, and now this. It's making me want to jump to prepaid honestly.
Tmobiles throttle is ridiculous too. Im talking slower then 1x. Ive been throttled 3 times now in the past year and the max download speed for all 3 times was .15mbps and yes you read that correctly and I typed it correctly. POINT ONE FIVE Mbps for download and thats on LTE and HSPA
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Tmobiles throttle is ridiculous too. Im talking slower then 1x. Ive been throttled 3 times now in the past year and the max download speed for all 3 times was .15mbps and yes you read that correctly and I typed it correctly. POINT ONE FIVE Mbps for download and thats on LTE and HSPA
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Seriously if they start doing this, I'll just go on straight talk for $45 a month with 3gb of data or Cricket.
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My bad guise.
T-Mobile will waste tons of money and resources trying to do this. They're already a distant number 3 carrier...just when demonoid comes back torrents are once again on the radar.
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Only "illegal" tethering and torrenting everyone else is fine
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Only "illegal" tethering and torrenting everyone else is fine
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Well, I'm screwed.
Well I'm not in that bunch hopefully it won't affect me too much
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it says "they could have their data speeds reduced for the remainder of their billing cycle" not that they WILL
I get throttled pretty much every month. And it sucks especially at super slow speeds.
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it says "they could have their data speeds reduced for the remainder of their billing cycle" not that they WILL
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I've only gotten 4G around town the past few days where before I had full LTE. Seems legit.
wghisd said:
T-Mobile will waste tons of money and resources trying to do this. They're already a distant number 3 carrier...just when demonoid comes back torrents are once again on the radar.
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Demonoid. Ewww send me a pm dude. Much better safer alternatives
evocalante said:
I get throttled pretty much every month. And it sucks especially at super slow speeds.
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well I called last month and they bumped me up for free as a courtesy. But 3gbs is not enuff especially when youre on the road and alot of free time :-/
And throttled again til September 3rd.
Went to xda.com took 3 minutes to load. But yet I run a speed test says 30s. So tmo obviously doesn't throttle some connections like speedtest. Which is shady as hell in my book.
ShinySide said:
And throttled again til September 3rd.
Went to xda.com took 3 minutes to load. But yet I run a speed test says 30s. So tmo obviously doesn't throttle some connections like speedtest. Which is shady as hell in my book.
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Damn if they are gonna throttle you, you might as well go prepaid on Cricket or Straight Talk. $45 for unlimited talk, text, and 3gb of data each month.
BoboBrazil said:
Damn if they are gonna throttle you, you might as well go prepaid on Cricket or Straight Talk. $45 for unlimited talk, text, and 3gb of data each month.
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I only pay 10 bucks a month for unlimited talk and text and 3gb of data
Plus ATT throttled Cricket to 8mb download on LTE at all times.
ShinySide said:
I only pay 10 bucks a month for unlimited talk and text and 3gb of data
Plus ATT throttled Cricket to 8mb download on LTE at all times.
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Damn that's a good price.
I pay 30 a month for unlimited data and 7 gigs of tethering.
tethering on GNF1 V3
The Sickness said:
I pay 30 a month for unlimited data and 7 gigs of tethering.
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does tethering works on the GNF1 V3 ROM OR is it something extra i have to flash for it to work becuz when i turn it on i see the connection on my laptop but it want connect says unable to connect. OTHER THAN THAT roms runs great
rblckmnjr84 said:
does tethering works on the GNF1 V3 ROM OR is it something extra i have to flash for it to work becuz when i turn it on i see the connection on my laptop but it want connect says unable to connect. OTHER THAN THAT roms runs great
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I haven't implemented it yet.