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I have rooted a ton of devices from tablets to phones and I don't specifically recall ever needing to flash an entirely different kernel to do so.
My question is, is a new kernel an understood for root access? I was under the impression root was, well...access, to system files and the like.
I'm actually pretty sure devices have been rooted PRE kernel source being released, and that source is more conducive to custom ROMs than anything else.
If someone who knows could clarify, I would be grateful and I also think it may begin to explain why some folks are *LOSING* functionality with root.
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The kernel is the heart of the OS. when the kernel is rooted, so is everything else
People are losing functions because the source code from Samsung is jacked up, and the devs are trying to pull it together
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Same thing I thought when I first bought my samsung vibrant... They whereusing the international galaxy s kernels untill samsung released sourcs to the current/up to date one... Samsung is know for latd updates and failed source codes
Well thats my opinion but they do make great hardware and tvs lol
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Same thing I thought when I first bought my samsung vibrant... They whereusing the international galaxy s kernels untill samsung released sourcs to the current/up to date one... Samsung is know for latd updates and failed source codes
Well thats my opinion but they do make great hardware and tvs lol
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You aren't kidding about the TVs. I was at Sears and they had a Sammy glasses free 3D set up like 64" or something, Avatar was playing...literally jaw dropping.
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You aren't kidding about the TVs. I was at Sears and they had a Sammy glasses free 3D set up like 64" or something, Avatar was playing...literally jaw dropping.
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Yeah I got a 52" there so nice
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Another way to achieve root without replacing the kernel is with an exploit that takes advantage of a bug i.e. in the bluetooth stack to temporarily gain elevated (SU) privileges and use it to install permanent root, flash a new recovery, etc. That's probably the kind of root method that you are more familiar with.
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Another way to achieve root without replacing the kernel is with an exploit that takes advantage of a bug i.e. in the bluetooth stack to temporarily gain elevated (SU) privileges and use it to install permanent root, flash a new recovery, etc. That's probably the kind of root method that you are more familiar with.
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Ahh, that makes sense. See, a few devices I've rooted have been pretty straight forward. But the the OG rooting process on the Nook Color was odd as hell, and then the choice of booting SD or eMMC was another consideration to take. The process of rooting Tablets seems to be somewhat similar to this one floating around for the ET right now.
Coming from HTC/Motorola phones primarily the development for this phone has confused me a bit. Those phones used to get a normal root method pretty soon after release without having to worry about messing around the kernal.
Is there going to be a day where you can just root it and leave the kernal alone or is the kernal/root thing exclusive to Samsung phones?
Whsn i was on att i would use superoneclick. I too was wondering this.
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We need this.
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The root for this phone is as easy as it gets. I just rooted my friends inspire and while it is only one click the process it goes through us way more complex.
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The root for this phone is as easy as it gets. I just rooted my friends inspire and while it is only one click the process it goes through us way more complex.
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Yeah I have to say this was a very easy process to root coming from an evo4g
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I think he meant the fact that ur using the kernel to get to root instaed the more conventional root method we are used to seeing on devices like htc and so on. It is pretty strange the fact u flash a kernel and then flash to get root its typically gain root then flash somethingy. Or at least thats what my noob ass is used to lol
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The root for this phone is as easy as it gets. I just rooted my friends inspire and while it is only one click the process it goes through us way more complex.
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All the root methods are simple to execute for someone who can read. But I am referring to the fact (as edison said) that you have to flash a new kernal to achieve root. I'm personally waiting for a more typical root method before I root.
Not that I don't appreciate/love the dev community but I like a COMPLETE stock setup with root before I go messing around experimenting because I don't necessarily trust EVERY dev and don't have the technical expertise to fix stuff myself.
Only solution is to just wait, I don't think many would be working on another root method because this one isn't complex, is noob friendly and works 100% I don't see any pressing reason for another method
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Yup I hear ya. You can always root then odin bubbys pulled stock kernel for a complete stock root. It's not one click but it's close. Only draw back it there is no recovery.
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Conventional root?
What is that?
Umm...there is no other way? There's no exploit anymore guys...it's either flash a rooted kernel or flash a rooted /system. And that's easy as hell
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Unless you can get hold of Samsung's signing keys for creating a signed update.zip or find a new exploit (which would have to be fixed eventually because exploits are essentially security holes) you are pretty much stuck with the current methods.
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Umm...there is no other way? There's no exploit anymore guys...it's either flash a rooted kernel or flash a rooted /system. And that's easy as hell
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Wow,so no more one click roost with cwm then we can flash any kernel and be good? Shizznit, one click was good stuff
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I miss z4root. Im not a newber but I know I like my simplicity redundantly simple.
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Honestly odin is pretty the one click we need.
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Dude samsung released the source and practically handed us root on a silver platter
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All the root methods are simple to execute for someone who can read. But I am referring to the fact (as edison said) that you have to flash a new kernal to achieve root. I'm personally waiting for a more typical root method before I root.
Not that I don't appreciate/love the dev community but I like a COMPLETE stock setup with root before I go messing around experimenting because I don't necessarily trust EVERY dev and don't have the technical expertise to fix stuff myself.
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Why should anyone find a exploit to root the phone when the bootloader
Is open and allows you to root much easier....google keeps closing holes in software making it harder and harder to root ...its not a htc where they s-off the phone .....this will probably be the only way to root because there is no reason to find another
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What could be easier than putting this in Odin http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1282415 and hitting the start button
I think the point people are trying to make here is that they wish there was a way to have root and recovery and remain bone stock. So far there is no way to do this. Alot of people don't want to flash a custom kernel at this point because of all the problems people are reporting. Myself included. I am still stock and won't root until devs get this stuff sorted. Maybe koush will figure it out...
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It's not really clear from the titles in the development section, but there is a way to root without flashing a kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1282418
That's a stock system image, simply modified to include root. No kernel at all.
I know I could root and install 4.0.2 but I'm fairly new to android and bought my gnex unlocked from Negri so I don't think I have a warranty and don't really wanna chance anything. Anyone have any solutions or info on when and how I can update to 4.0.2? 4.0.1 has just given me quite a few problems and caused me to restore twice. Also I want Wallet
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Don't be scared. There's a whole world of flashing ecstasy waiting for you Come and join the fun. Worst case, you can always relock your bootloader and return to stock.
Manually flash 4.0.2. Thats what i did. May as well if you unlock bootloader because it wipes your phone. And you do have warranty through negri. You just need to deal with negri as your intermediary for support. If you go contacting samsung directly then you might lose warranty.
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Your logic makes no sense, you won't mod because you don't have warranty. But modding voids your warranty.
There is honestly nothing to be scared of...
Try one of the ROMs from developers section while you're at it. Android Revolution is what I'm on, and it's a great 4.0.2 ROM.
After you've gotten clockworkmod on your phone, Nandroid backup becomes your security. If you ever mess up, just restore, and you'll be back up and running as if nothing happened.
Actually it makes sense along the realm of if I mod and brick to the point of no return I'm **** out of luck...why so grumpy? Is a newbie to the ecosystem not allowed to get on here and learn?
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If you aren't comfortable doing it, don't do it. If you aren't comfortable enough after reading the rooting and unlocking guides, then don't do it.
You can't brick your phone, at most it'll be a softbrick that can be easily fixed.
If you really want it, you'll have to earn it. Nothing in life is ever free. And why 4.0.2? get 4.0.3
Actually that's not the problem. I bought a nexus s several months ago and did the works on it to get ics on it early so I'm not afraid of doing it...I'm just worried about getting myself in a situation at some point after that I can't fix. After I put the ics from on the nexus s using clockwork recovery I couldn't get the device to flash any other roms and all the research in the world couldn't help me so those are really the only things im weary of
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There's a host of friendly people here who'd happily help you through it. PM me if you decide to take the plunge and I'd be happy to guide.
It's not just the bugs you'll be ironing out but you'll get other features like overclock and battery saving settings etc.
Thanks
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Actually that's not the problem. I bought a nexus s several months ago and did the works on it to get ics on it early so I'm not afraid of doing it...I'm just worried about getting myself in a situation at some point after that I can't fix. After I put the ics from on the nexus s using clockwork recovery I couldn't get the device to flash any other roms and all the research in the world couldn't help me so those are really the only things im weary of
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Well, its hard to brick a phone. Always fastboot flash your radios and recoveries. If rom manager makes a bad flash, that is when you might have problems. Dont break fastboot and youre good to go. And i think with samsung, you have odin to fall back on if you do f up fastboot.
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Root isn't technically required. You just have to unlock the bootloader (which doesn't void your warranty) then manually flash the update. That's what I did. The hardest part was getting the drivers to work properly on my PC. After that it was cake.
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also there is a fantastic toolkit to install CWM and unlock the bootloader, which makes it really easy. only thing you have to do is to install the adb/fastboot drivers and follow the guides.
if you need any help, feel free to pm me
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samizad said:
There's a host of friendly people here who'd happily help you through it. PM me if you decide to take the plunge and I'd be happy to guide.
It's not just the bugs you'll be ironing out but you'll get other features like overclock and battery saving settings etc.
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Exactly as @samizad said he is more than willing to help & so are most people here,That's what xda was setup for.Don't be afraid because every time you do something new you learn.Every phone I have ever owned I immediately unlocked & rooted and I have never run into a problem I couldn't fix myself,I have also owned every Nexus device & not once did I ever have to warranty any of them.Rooting provides so many benefits.If you need any help let me know.
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Thanks for all the responses guys
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After I put the ics from on the nexus s using clockwork recovery I couldn't get the device to flash any other roms and all the research in the world couldn't help me so those are really the only things im weary of
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fastboot, fastboot, fastboot and fastboot. that and odin.
Learn to use more than just CWM
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Also ... If you have fastboot working, there is no NEED to even flash clockworkmod recovery. Your Nexus can boot from code hosted outside it. That's how hard it is to brick.
Just try it!
Code:
fastboot boot recovery-clockworkmod-5.5.0.2-maguro.img
And voila. No need to even flash alternate recovery to do recoveryish stuff. I love this phone.
Just some reading I came across. seems that kitkat is upping security with dm-verity on boot. Looks like modifying may get more complex in the near future. Everyone is worried about Samsung's Knox warranty flag but Google is trying to road block as well.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-taking-aim-at-device-modders-in-android-4-4-kitkat/
Thinking some s4 users should check this out as many here are concerned about Knox...
Edit: chainfire did his thing and rooted. I'd be interested to see if any errors come from apps gaining root access or whatnot
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Just some reading I came across. seems that kitkat is upping security with dm-verity on boot. Looks like modifying may get more complex in the near future. Everyone is worried about Samsung's Knox warranty flag but Google is trying to road block as well.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-taking-aim-at-device-modders-in-android-4-4-kitkat/
Thinking some s4 users should check this out as many here are concerned about Knox...
Edit: chainfire did his thing and rooted. I'd be interested to see if any errors come from apps gaining root access or whatnot
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I'd think those elements of 4.4 could be removed at the source code level for custom ROMs to be able to be installed on previously rooted devices. Or be bypassed in some way.
It's not an easy fix for developers, but I'd bet you it can be done.
As for exploiting devices that ship with 4.4 that's another story. But for clean installs of 4.4 ROMs on already rooted devices I'd bet this is doable.
And if not, Android and Google can bite me for wanting to be more like Apple and I'm sure the phone modder community will see a huge swift toward the Ubuntu mobile platform that never really got enough steam to get properly started due to the popularity of Android.
Yeah, chainfire already has a oneclick root for the nexus 5 pre loaded with 4.4, so root is still achieved at least with nexus. Wondering though if 4.4 will get harder and harder with the bootloader and what not for phones like the galaxy series and note, guess time will tell but I'm going to do some research before I get my next phone loaded with 4.4.
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When I ran the PA 4.4 build on the N7 (2012). Getting root was pretty easy. I also had no issues with running TB or any other rooted app. I am looking forward to more 4.4.
I flashed 4.4 on my Gnex last night and gaining root was as easy as flashing the root zip.
Wonder than what that article means than.
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Wonder than what that article means than.
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The article, and the issue point to a grim future for any phone besides a nexus that ships with KitKat. Unlocking these new devices such as the Galaxy S5 just got a whole lot more difficult.
what you can and cannot flash with a Nexus phone or anything else with an unlocked bootloader is irrelevant.
That's what I was thinking, also official otas from carriers as well right? Aosp 4.4 builds should be alright? Since htc is getting kit kat should that shed any insight to where this is going?
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Interesting
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I flashed 4.4 on my Gnex last night and gaining root was as easy as flashing the root zip.
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Yeah but what if you weren't able to use a custom recovery ? Would it be as easy then ?
Gaining root on a device with a locked bootloader is the real challenge. When you have an unlocked bootloader you can do what whatever you want pretty much...
It may make exploiting new phones harder (someone will definitely achieve it though), but any phone that is currently unlocked should be fine as this can easily be disabled in AOSP builds.
Hello,
I'm wondering whether I should root my nexus 7 and try out all the cool ROMs. The only thing that's stopping me is that I'm going to lose the warranty. I remember before with my old Samsung I could simply restore the stock room and take it to the warranty shop, but that was a while ago and I've read about flash counters on new devices, that can show if you've rooted and changed the ROM. Does the nexus have that? Has anyone used their warranty after rooting and changing ROMs?
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Your question may be answered better in q and a ... This is general.
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Yer fine, root away! Even if there were a way to tell, I don't think anyone would care on a Nexus device.
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Yer fine, root away! Even if there were a way to tell, I don't think anyone would care on a Nexus device.
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I bet the guys at the Asus service center, that fix devices for free under warranty, care. I'm asking whether someone knows for sure, because I don't want to lose my warranty. In EU it's two years …
Sorry for the wrong section, I hope a moderator can move the topic so I don't create the same thread again.
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ngyurov said:
I bet the guys at the Asus service center, that fix devices for free under warranty, care. I'm asking whether someone knows for sure, because I don't want to lose my warranty. In EU it's two years …
Sorry for the wrong section, I hope a moderator can move the topic so I don't create the same thread again.
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I think you don't know what a Nexus device means...don't you?
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I bet the guys at the Asus service center, that fix devices for free under warranty, care. I'm asking whether someone knows for sure, because I don't want to lose my warranty. In EU it's two years …
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I am interested in that too. I plan to root and download a ROM to my Nexus 7 so that I can make phone calls, but I do not want to brick it, and if it does not work as a phone I would like to return it.
I am almost certain Google and ASUS are not so stupid that they would piss off their customers with an eFuse. Even if I can understand the rationale behind Samsung's Knox flag I hate it. Actually I was about to buy the Note 3 but chose Nexus 7 instead because of Knox.
So go on and root your N7, it's a great device.
No flash counter, and you have to try very hard to brick this device so you shouldn't have warranty claims due to flashing ROMs. If you have a warranty claim due to another issue it is quick to return to stock if you are worried, but you shouldn't be, nexus devices are made with developers in mind
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OK, my Nexus is still wrapped in the original cover and boxed in the original box. I am planning to return it because I thought I could make phone calls with it, but I cannot. In another thread someone said that if I "root" it and then install a new ROM then I will be able to make phone calls. His words
"I have Cm 11 4.4.2 rom installed on my nexus 7 lte and I'm able to make phone calls"
I am waiting to find out what the CM 11.4.4.2 ROM is and how to install it, and if it does not work, how to put the original ROM back so I can return it to the shop.
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OK, my Nexus is still wrapped in the original cover and boxed in the original box. I am planning to return it because I thought I could make phone calls with it, but I cannot. In another thread someone said that if I "root" it and then install a new ROM then I will be able to make phone calls. His words
"I have Cm 11 4.4.2 rom installed on my nexus 7 lte and I'm able to make phone calls"
I am waiting to find out what the CM 11.4.4.2 ROM is and how to install it, and if it does not work, how to put the original ROM back so I can return it to the shop.
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Cyanogenmod is a custom ROM, Google it and you will find the official webpage with list of supported devices and links to latest version, as well as installation instructions. Bear in mind however that the nexus 7 is not meant to be a phone, and assuming you get it to work that way, won't make it good or comfortable to use.
If you do return it, after rooting it, please let me know how it went - did the shop find out that you have rooted and changed ROMs, after you changed back to stock.
In the development section of the nexus 7 forum you'll probably be able to find info on how to get back to stock.
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ngyurov said:
Cyanogenmod is a custom ROM, Google it and you will find the official webpage with list of supported devices and links to latest version, as well as installation instructions. Bear in mind however that the nexus 7 is not meant to be a phone, and assuming you get it to work that way, won't make it good or comfortable to use.
If you do return it, after rooting it, please let me know how it went - did the shop find out that you have rooted and changed ROMs, after you changed back to stock.
In the development section of the nexus 7 forum you'll probably be able to find info on how to get back to stock.
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Yeah I know it is large as a device but it would be perfect for my use, I have earphones+mic so when I can use it as a phone! The question is, will it work? I am going to http://www.cyanogenmod.org/ now to see what I can do.
I have learned how to flash the Stock ROM, boot into recovery mode and so on But I cannot find how to install the CM ROM, because the installer does not support the Nexus 7 LTE and I cannot find a manual installation manual/how to guide. If anyone knows how to do it please let me know.
If you have a LTE version, you just need to get a Sim card from a provider.
Nexus = root and mod as if your life depended on it
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If you have a LTE version, you just need to get a Sim card from a provider.
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I have the LTE version, I inserted my SIM and while it can get data, it does not make phone calls or SMS messages. There isn't even a "dialer" app. Even if you download a dialer app, it will not dial anything, with the error message "voice dialing not supported" or something like that.
Edit: Update: I have installed CM a nightly build. It comes with 20 applications of which one is "Messaging". I have sent and received messages! Fantastic.
Unfortunately, there is no "dialer" app! Arghh! Why not ?!
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I have the LTE version, I inserted my SIM and while it can get data, it does not make phone calls or SMS messages. There isn't even a "dialer" app. Even if you download a dialer app, it will not dial anything, with the error message "voice dialing not supported" or something like that.
Edit: Update: I have installed CM a nightly build. It comes with 20 applications of which one is "Messaging". I have sent and received messages! Fantastic.
Unfortunately, there is no "dialer" app! Arghh! Why not ?!
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Did you manage top return your nexus 7 after rooting it and changing the ROM?
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Did you manage top return your nexus 7 after rooting it and changing the ROM?
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Well I have sent it back - am not sure what happens next, they may refund me or they may perform a thorough check and discover that it had a couple of ROMs installed prior. Even so I am not sure if it says anywhere that installing a couple of ROMs, or applications, or basically using the tablet somehow invalidates your right for refund if it is faulty. Imagine if you bought a laptop which was faulty and when you gave it back have the sales people argue "oh but you have installed linux" or "oh but you have run Word too many times" - I mean honestly.
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Well I have sent it back - am not sure what happens next, they may refund me or they may perform a thorough check and discover that it had a couple of ROMs installed prior. Even so I am not sure if it says anywhere that installing a couple of ROMs, or applications, or basically using the tablet somehow invalidates your right for refund if it is faulty. Imagine if you bought a laptop which was faulty and when you gave it back have the sales people argue "oh but you have installed linux" or "oh but you have run Word too many times" - I mean honestly.
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I haven't seen an Android device manufacturer whose warranty covers rooted devices. I know it's stupid, but that's just the way things are. Question now is - can they find out if the device has been rooted after you have returned it back to stock condition?
If you get a refund it would mean that they don't have a way of finding out whether the device has been flashed or not.
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I haven't seen an Android device manufacturer whose warranty covers rooted devices. I know it's stupid, but that's just the way things are. Question now is - can they find out if the device has been rooted after you have returned it back to stock condition?
If you get a refund it would mean that they don't have a way of finding out whether the device has been flashed or not.
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Or it may mean they did not perform a thorough test to find out, every shop and every assistant are different.
Just to clarify on thing here: The Nexus 7 LTE ca NOT make phone calls, no mater what rom you put on it as it does not have the hardware to do it. This is all part of keeping the price of the device down.. But hey. I Use SIP App all day long with NO problem to use it to call with!! I dont get why everyone HAVE to call with the GSM network when SIP is just as easy and cheaper.