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I think wm is dead, let's get android! or is it just me

just returned my iphone, its like a pretty blonde; hot on the outside but nothing on the inside. i think wm is pretty much dead though; android will usher in a new era. i think we should just dismiss the last gen roms and look forward. Its obvious from apple releasing sdks for their tight ass phone that android has a little more than something up their sleeve; cant wait to see what htc devices deliver

Yep, it's just you.

I beg to differ, if you put WM in the hands of a decent development house you could come up with a very nice looking device
http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en

tonyb15re said:
I beg to differ, if you put WM in the hands of a decent development house you could come up with a very nice looking device
http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en
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*drools* i can't wait for this to be released

I think windows mobile is gonna be around for a while yet until something else more stable & reliable comes along. Going by the phone in link above, WM is here to stay for quite some time!!

kaalgoosy said:
just returned my iphone, its like a pretty blonde; hot on the outside but nothing on the inside. i think wm is pretty much dead though; android will usher in a new era. i think we should just dismiss the last gen roms and look forward. Its obvious from apple releasing sdks for their tight ass phone that android has a little more than something up their sleeve; cant wait to see what htc devices deliver
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You can jailbreak an iphone and install a ton of useful apps today already...
I'm waiting for the next iphone with 3G and hopefully built in GPS.

Blonde jailbait?

The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime

C Brown said:
The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime
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ROFL, hey Charlie, the "sickest" device?

penguin20000 said:
*drools* i can't wait for this to be released
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Looks Great, probably going to be $399 at least. The film (Commercial) is pretty stupid, doesn't show any features of the phone, just a bunch of paper airplanes.
Anyone know a release date on this baby?

C Brown said:
The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime
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See its specification, if the price is as rumors around 700$ the Xperia X1 will be a killer of all other WM devices. I wonder why HTC doesn´t have any revolution model up coming. I prefer the high resolution display and small smart design.

Like to see this one when it comes out.
details look good.
http://www.elite-electronix.com/smartphones-213/meizu-255/meizu-m8-minione-16gb-unlocked-1379.html

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Blonde jailbait?
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sacwoo said:
Looks Great, probably going to be $399 at least. The film (Commercial) is pretty stupid, doesn't show any features of the phone, just a bunch of paper airplanes.
Anyone know a release date on this baby?
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$399----wow, that is a low estimate. if the tytn i is still going for 400 i think the the x1 will be around 800-1000 when it first comes out.

jamal1782 said:
Like to see this one when it comes out.
details look good.
http://www.elite-electronix.com/smartphones-213/meizu-255/meizu-m8-minione-16gb-unlocked-1379.html
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Hmmm an iphone with WM on it, what a bad combination!!!! Oh and worst of all no keyboard, no use whatsoever as a business device... Nice toy if you like poking your screen with a stylus or smearing it with fingerprints...

I believe the expected release date for the xperia 1 is early 2009

I phoned the Sony Shop in the UK they said mid year.

excellent, I'm due a new phone bout then!

Windows mobile will die if microsoft doesn't quit being lazy
Windows mobile will die. Have you guys ever really thought about this operating system we're running on our hand helds. back inthe day you had desktops pushing 166mhz and running full installs of windows 95 and in some cases I've even seen 98 on that processor. And those system ran applicatiosn and did so with not much problems.
in 2008 many years in the future we have our handsets pushing 400mhz processors (hermes) and yet it lags when you chcange screen orientation. It lags to answer a phone call if your in landscape orientation.
That is utter rubbish. Microsoft got windows mobile code wrong the firstst ime it was bloated. The reason why it'll never improve exponentially is because microsoft does not like to do things over they will forever build up ontop of a bloated operating system.
We see the same thing happening in the desktop counteer part of their operating system. If android can drop a proper user interface to make users comfortable with using the device Then i see no reason why it wouldn't superceed windows mobile
hardware vendors would be more than happy if this was the case as licensing for windows mobile cost an arm and a leg.
but really think about it
166mhz ran a whole computers operating system with various application 400mhz can barely run the windows mobile operating system properly.
Thats just disgusting.

WM is already changing due to other operators including Apple, and they need to as people expect reliable, functional operating systems.
Yes I agree, microsoft are lazy, but with the introduction of android, apple etc, I think (hope) they are actually starting to sit up and take action.
If they come back with another unreliable WM then, people will start to look elsewhere and microsoft will be in trouble. Lets just hope they take note and sort it out now

Windows 7 Windows Live intergration

I don't know if it's been asked, but what kind of Windows Live intergration will we see. Will it be the half-ass stuff we see now, or will we FINALLY see calendar syncing.
I guess I should have just asked if we'll see windows Live calendar in Windows Phone 7.

I was about to ask the same thing. I heard in one of the videos that multiple calendars would be supported (Ie: work, personnal etc...) Now I'm digging in the emulator to see if WL Cal is finally supported, so I can ditch gmail alltogether.
EDIT: I just went through the emulator, and since we can't add email accounts, I can't deny nor confirm the existence of WL Cal sync.
Allthough I SWEAR I heard Joe Belfiore saying that WLCal is supported...

it better be. It's really no excuse for it not being in there all this time to be honest.

smokeyb111 said:
I don't know if it's been asked, but what kind of Windows Live intergration will we see. Will it be the half-ass stuff we see now, or will we FINALLY see calendar syncing.
I guess I should have just asked if we'll see windows Live calendar in Windows Phone 7.
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you will probably see an app developed by MS for iphone before that.
How I hate MS for that. The new bing website looks so good on an iphone..
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and so crappy on my HTC Pure

chiks19018 said:
How I hate MS for that. The new bing website looks so good on an iphone..
and so crappy on my HTC Pure
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That's not the website, it's the Bing app on the iPhone.
But yes, it DOES look better than the Bing app on WM

I do realize that....but you know what I mean...that app is not available for WM6+

chiks19018 said:
I do realize that....but you know what I mean...that app is not available for WM6+
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It is! That screenshot is from the Bing app for WM.
Or did I misunderstand something?

C:Sharp! said:
It is! That screenshot is from the Bing app for WM.
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Not available on m.bing.com/download
They are handing out the utterly finger unresponsive app shown below

Seriously? They're still not distributing the new one? OMG.
But even the new one is worse than the one for the iPhone.
That's how you know their mobile division is screwed.

C:Sharp! said:
Seriously? They're still not distributing the new one? OMG.
But even the new one is worse than the one for the iPhone.
That's how you know their mobile division is screwed.
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I had the new one but went back to the uglier old one. The new one would not save a found address to contacts. And the older one is a little more finger friendly. The newer one just looks better...style but not enough substance.
It's a shame the iPhone one look's so much better, but I think it has something to do with the SDK. iPhone's SDK probably lends itself to great looking apps with minimal effort by the developer as opposed to WM.

C:Sharp! said:
That's not the website, it's the Bing app on the iPhone.
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They do have a Bing mobile website for the iPhone (and I think maybe certain other devices) that makes m.bing.com look like a piece of crap. They also have the good iPhone app, as you pointed out. On WM I just stuck with the old Live Search App because it has Movies and Gas Prices and such.
Back on topic, Windows Live is fully integrated, including the Calendar.

WhyBe said:
It's a shame the iPhone one look's so much better, but I think it has something to do with the SDK. iPhone's SDK probably lends itself to great looking apps with minimal effort by the developer as opposed to WM.
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You are right. But then, why did they have to dump the whole OS, if a new SDK would have been the solution to most of theri problems?
Imagine WM6.5 with a better UI and a good SDK. Problems solved. They could have released that a year ago and it would have been perfectly competitive to the iPhone.
Instead, they did nothing for more than one and a half years, cause they could not figure out what to do (though everyone here knew it). In the end, there was no other option left than dump the whole OS and start a new one, without all the things we loved about WM. Sad.
They screwed up completely and they still don't know what to do. The fights within the company still aren't over (though the iPhone enviers within MS won the first round). This is inexcusable.

C:Sharp! said:
You are right. But then, why did they have to dump the whole OS, if a new SDK would have been the solution to most of theri problems?
Imagine WM6.5 with a better UI and a good SDK. Problems solved. They could have released that a year ago and it would have been perfectly competitive to the iPhone.
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You're making huge assumptions here. How do you know that's the only problem with WM.
Instead, they did nothing for more than one and a half years, cause they could not figure out what to do (though everyone here knew it). In the end, there was no other option left than dump the whole OS and start a new one, without all the things we loved about WM. Sad.
They screwed up completely and they still don't know what to do. The fights within the company still aren't over (though the iPhone enviers within MS won the first round). This is inexcusable.
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Again, you're being very presumptuous. Do have inside information or something?

I do have a bit of information, yes. But most of it is widely known, anyway.
How do I know that the ugly, non-fingerfriendly UI and the lousy SDK were Windows Mobile's main problems? Just a bit of common sense.
After all, what were the things that made the iPhone successful? It's easy to use and it has apps, apps, apps.
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.

I think it'll be tightly integrated since you'll be able to see peoples updates through the windows live profiles as well.
I hope it has good integration so I can finally have one consitent contact list. Some are an outlook, some are on messenger. Having doubles is a pain in the beginning and take a good time to clean it up. Now they're both on my phone but still half/half on my software.

C:Sharp! said:
...After all, what were the things that made the iPhone successful? It's easy to use and it has apps, apps, apps.
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.
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iPhone was successful long before it had apps. It was a great product despite it's perceived flaws. WP7 should follow suit.

WhyBe said:
iPhone was successful long before it had apps. It was a great product despite it's perceived flaws. WP7 should follow suit.
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And what made it successful before it had apps?
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.
It was the UI. Everyone could use that thing, it was even easier to use than most people's dumbphones, thus they had no problems switching to the iPhone and of course, they liked it, cause it could do much more than the dumbphones they had before. They didn't know that Windows Mobile existed and had much more features and they didn't care, cause Windows Mobile was not as easy to use as a dumbphone.
Before the iPhone had apps, a good UI would have been enough for Windows Mobile. When the iPhone got an SDK, a good SDK would have saved Windows Mobile (plus maybe an appstore).
It's that easy, but Microsoft screwed it all up.

WP7 vs. iPhone vs. Android vs. WM6.5 vs. webOS vs. Maemo - THE comparison!

Here's my comparison between WP7, iPhone OS, Android and WM6.5, webOS and Maemo!
It's been about time that somebody did it.
It's a work in progress, I will add and update things.
This chart is meant to be free from any opinion, it shall only contain the pure facts.
There's only one simple rule: No hacking! No unsupported, unallowed, illegal methods or any methods that are a breach of licence agreements.
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ndrive and co-pilot are available to iphone too

Thanks, will be added.

They have stated that copy and paste is currently being implemented now in WP7.

Kloc said:
They have stated that copy and paste is currently being implemented now in WP7.
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Source ?

It will be added to the chart when it becomes available.
(sorry, but I don't believe it will become available soon after launch - I will, however, add it, if the PROMISE to make it available)

Spike15 said:
Source ?
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microsoft sent a statement saying that they listened to what people have said and are looking how to put a great copy and paste in wp7.
They did not say if it will be available at launch (probably not).

Sethos II said:
It will be added to the chart when it becomes available.
(sorry, but I don't believe it will become available soon after launch - I will, however, add it, if the PROMISE to make it available)
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We will probably have to wait until closer to launch to see how far they've gotten on that.

Of course. Any facts or at least promised features will be added, but I want to keep the chart free from speculation.

Ganondolf said:
microsoft sent a statement saying that they listened to what people have said and are looking how to put a great copy and paste in wp7.
They did not say if it will be available at launch (probably not).
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Source?

Shasarak said:
Source?
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I was posted on Engadget a while back go search for it.

This is my assessment:
Disclaimer: This coloured chart reflects my opinion, of course you can have your own. Please, don't try to discuss with me about my opinion, I don't want to do so. I will form my opinion based on trying things myself and research.

Sethos II said:
This is my assessment:
Disclaimer: This coloured chart reflects my opinion, of course you can have your own. Please, don't try to discuss with me about my opinion, I don't want to do so. I will form my opinion based on trying things myself and research.
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Hmm there's something strange about that chart. One of those columns just doesn't look like the other three. Wonder if options were made to reflect that?

When I made the chart, I tried to find as many categories as possible. I did not think about opinions, I just tried to collect facts.
The coulouring was done AFTER the original chart. Thus, the chart itself is in no way influenced by my opinion.
If you think categories are missing, please tell me! I want as many facts as possible, regardless of which OS they favor.
That said, I did do the colouring according to my opinion. I did not color one column after another, thus I also did not deliberately colour one of them with more green than others.
I think my methods are as balanced as they can possibly be.
If you have another opinion, feel free to colour the chart differently!
(there is no copyright )

Again: Feel free to colour the chart differently, to show your opinions!
Please don't flame each others' opinions! State your own opinions by colouring the chart, but fon't flame!
Also, if you think categories are missing, please tell me!

Anyone with knowledge want to add Symbian?
I hear Nokia plan to release a few great devices, but I don't know enough about Symbian, unfortunately.

I think it all depends on your view of each item. I don't think most of them can be shown as pure green or red, except maybe on the items that either have it or they don't. For example you may say full multitasking on OS is green but what comes with that? More apps may bog the system down or make the battery not last as long. I know on my Touch Pro2 I always kill an app from the task manager when I close it because I don't want it to effect anything like that. So in someone else's eyes full multitasking may not be a good thing. And differences in opinion can go either way on most of those. So yes that is your opinion and I respect it but I'll stick to the chart without color for a less biased view of the OS's.

Kloc said:
For example you may say full multitasking on OS is green but what comes with that?
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You know what, I really cannot believe that people on this forum are even having this discussion.
UNIX was a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system RELEASED IN 1969.
That's 40 YEARS AGO.
So if you try and take the M$/Apple side on this argument, it's tantamount to admitting that technology should take a 40 year step backwards, and that you honestly believe that the development of timesharing/multi-tasking, which reinvented computing and made it accessible to every person, was a bad thing.

@Kloc
Wasn't that disclaimer big enough? Didn't I say it's purely MY OPINION?!
What the f*** is so hard to understand about that?!
I want multitasking, that's why it's green.
I want customization, that's why it's green.
I hate iTunes, that's why it's red.
And so on. If you have a different opinion, you can make your own colours!
I encourage you to state your own opinion (for example taky my chart and change the colours), but mine is NOT up for discussion!
The coloured chart represents my own, very personal opinion! NOTHING ELSE.
That is why I do not post it in the first post of this thread. The chart in the first post is NOT coloured, because it is FREE FROM OPINIONS.
Everybody is able to take the NON-COLOURED chart and from his own opinion.

Spike15 said:
You know what, I really cannot believe that people on this forum are even having this discussion.
UNIX was a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system RELEASED IN 1969.
That's 40 YEARS AGO.
So if you try and take the M$/Apple side on this argument, it's tantamount to admitting that technology should take a 40 year step backwards, and that you honestly believe that the development of timesharing/multi-tasking, which reinvented computing and made it accessible to every person, was a bad thing.
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Yes and Apple and MS's OS's are both multitasking and multithreaded OS's. Just beause they won't allow everyone to use it doesn't mean it can't. Non multitasking systems are something like old DOS. You go to print a document and you have to wait until the entire thing is printed before you can do something else. These systems are nothing like that. They are trying to innovate how multitasking is used in order to have effeicency on their devices.

Anyone Else Considering Going Back to Android?

I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010 and has avidly followed it up until I finally bought my HD7 back in Dec 2010. I love my device and the simplicity behind the OS, but there's a lot lacking. While the marketplace is booming with activity, there's still little developer support because of its you product life and I feel mango is launching a little late. In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that. And is the sole reason I will be switching back to android for a short minute until WP7 matures into something like this: The Early Concepts of WP7
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A lot of hardware has launched with Android at the heart and its harder and harder to not acknowledge that. Just look at the Samsung Galaxy S2.
This is not to be a troll thread, and all I'm merely asking is anyone feeling like me.

krjcook said:
In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.

First you say this...
krjcook said:
I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010...
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But then you follow it with this...
krjcook said:
In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can and DO deny this preposterous statement. WP7 has some shortcomings right now, but none of them are severe enough to prevent me from using and liking the phone. It is FAR from "abysmal".
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This is not to be a troll thread.
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Could have fooled me.

iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
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Schismal said:
I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.
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I had a feeling someone would jump off the deep end and come at aggressively with the troll remarks. Look me up on Xbl: keenancook , I have WP7 gaming achievements because I own the HD7. But anyways, those pics were show what WP7 may have in the future and why I'm still considering the OS. But WP7 lacking a lot:
Applications, application, applications. WP7 is just lacking, time is what it needs and how many people are willing to wait.
Big Dev's aren't paying too much attention
Main System Menu is BLAND
Too Much Scrolling Just to get where I need.
Marketplace needs revision.
Having to Wait For Features.

As much as I like Android for what it is, I will never go back to that abysmally fragmented OS and half-baked feel. I can wait for Mango, which is bringing 80-90% of the features I wanted, and will see a huge surge in applications with all the new API's released.
wp7 UI is infinitely better than anything else out right now for me, and you add Mango to that, and I am very happy.

so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...

sHAYM4N said:
iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
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I completely agree about Zune, I've been using it since I first got my Zune 30. Its the MultiMedia Playback Software both visually and from a performance standpoint, Itune/DoubleTwist lags on my PC.
But my problem isn't with Zune, its WP7. Am I the only one who's sick of all the poorly developed apps by amateurs, because the professionals aren't interested? Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?

munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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my thoughts exactly

munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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Obviously you just don't get it. You CAN'T like it for what it is, because it "is still an abysmal OS". Didn't you know that??

krjcook said:
Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?
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You don't have to wait for any of those things. Go buy an Android today, and boom! You're there. You can't have it both ways, though. You can't buy into a fledgling ecosystem and then act betrayed by the fact that it isn't as mature as one that has existed for years. That is a naive and immature reaction.
As for the apps you are clamoring for, many weren't possible with the APIs that have been available to developers. Microsoft realized this, and just this week released a new developer kit that includes over 1500 new APIs, which will cause the marketplace to expand at a much more rapid pace in the coming months.

?? Nokia's Redesign of the Windows Phone UI ??

WT? I'm for customization but this new concept looks like an Android on crack cocaine.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/nokias-complete-redesign-of-windows-phone
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http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/nokias-complete-redesign-of-windows-phone:confused:

I don't think this UI design was given any serious consideration. Note that the designer is now reassigned.

This is some concept that was found in someones bin. It was most likely done during lunch break as a joke. In fact I'd say its quite old.
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gentry33 said:
I don't think this UI design was given any serious consideration. Note that the designer is now reassigned.
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Didn't notice that LOL, maybe this design was the reason he reassigned.

sinister1 said:
Didn't notice that LOL, maybe this design was the reason he reassigned.
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She, ;-) lol

He or she***

That is one of the most terrible UI designs I have ever seen in my life.

0% chance of this being pushed onto the market.

I don't like it to , but if we know how to change the uix format we could make everything possible , the ui is a grapical interface ( see it like a gameplay)
would be real cool if we could find out if they realy changed the uix or that it just is a mockup ( when they realy shanged the uix then I would love the have the files )

Looks like new UI for Symbian or MeeGo
Ballmer said: METRO, METRO, METRO !!!! So no chance to put this into WP devices.

GraphicsBerry said:
Looks like new UI for Symbian or MeeGo
Ballmer said: METRO, METRO, METRO !!!! So no chance to put this into WP devices.
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Nokia actually does have permission to edit the UI. Highly doubt they will though as it'll be a lot of effort for what? Someone from Nokia said they rather just spend that time making apps than modding the UI
ceesheim said:
I don't like it to , but if we know how to change the uix format we could make everything possible , the ui is a grapical interface ( see it like a gameplay)
would be real cool if we could find out if they realy changed the uix or that it just is a mockup ( when they realy shanged the uix then I would love the have the files )
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I agree, I've found the DLL that contains the "Start Screen" uix/uib files. Just wish I had a way to open & edit them. It'd basically be the same thing as editing cHome CPR's as it's still an xml type layout with scripting added. People have edited these files before in Messenger/Zune, but the format has changed. I just changed my Zune's background.

Nokia does NOT have permission to edit the UI.
Only hubs, and apps. Just like the other OEMs.
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vetvito said:
Nokia does NOT have permission to edit the UI.
Only hubs, and apps. Just like the other OEMs.
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The article this post is about, it specifically states they do have permission;
Remember that on Feb. 16, 2011, at the "Windows Phone Day" seminar, when asked if they would change the Windows Phone UI, Nokia's Chief Technology Officer, Rich Greene, said:
'We certainly do, in the context of this agreement, have the right to manipulate the UX, the UI, etc. but...I'm not speaking for the plan, I'm speaking as the Chief Technology Officer: Why would you? Let me clarify.
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Now if only there were someone @ Nokia who could "leak" the tools they have to edit the files...

prohibido_por_la_ley said:
He or she***
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It specifically states she;
This particular designer was transferred from Nokia to Accenture in September of 2011, so it's very likely that she is no longer working on Windows Phone UI designs since Accenture is the company that Nokia is now outsourcing all of their Symbian related work to.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57401140-1/custom-uis-on-smartphones-would-you-should-you/
""We certainly do, in the context of this agreement," Greene said, "have the right to manipulate the UX, the UI, etc."
This led some to believe that Nokia has the ability to create a custom skin for Windows Phone, but this is not true. A spokesman for Microsoft's Window Phone team confirmed to Crave this week what we were told from the very beginning--that like the rest of the handset manufacturers, Nokia can only customize the OS through hubs and applications, and making any changes to the actual UI is not allowed."
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vetvito said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57401140-1/custom-uis-on-smartphones-would-you-should-you/
""We certainly do, in the context of this agreement," Greene said, "have the right to manipulate the UX, the UI, etc."
This led some to believe that Nokia has the ability to create a custom skin for Windows Phone, but this is not true. A spokesman for Microsoft's Window Phone team confirmed to Crave this week what we were told from the very beginning--that like the rest of the handset manufacturers, Nokia can only customize the OS through hubs and applications, and making any changes to the actual UI is not allowed."
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The question remains, who is right? You can't take either persons' word. Would need to see the actually contract that was signed to see who is right. So, what can be said is Nokia may or may not have this right, which remains to be seen.
I still tend to believe they do as why else would they have tools to edit the UIX/UIB files to create this mock-up shown. MS wouldn't just give those tools to just anyone.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
The question remains, who is right? You can't take either persons' word. Would need to see the actually contract that was signed to see who is right. So, what can be said is Nokia may or may not have this right, which remains to be seen.
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I can agree with that. No one knows, and they haven't actually modified anything.
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
I still tend to believe they do as why else would they have tools to edit the UIX/UIB files to create this mock-up shown. MS wouldn't just give those tools to just anyone.
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Its just that, a mock up. Nothing more, and it was made in spare time as a side project.
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vetvito said:
I can agree with that. No one knows, and they haven't actually modified anything.
Its just that, a mock up. Nothing more, and it was made in spare time as a side project.
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I would assume that Nokia do have the right to edit the UI, they have been given some higher permissions than other OEMs and Microsoft would have offered them quite a bit to make the jump (they've been trying to persuade nokia to get on the Windows hype since Windows Mobile 6.0).
I wouldn't think of anything as drastic in this thread though... I do see it likely that they change the font to Nokia Pure and small tweaks like that.

If Nokia's change that to the interface.... I would not buy one...
One you said "she" I was going to say...Oh there's your problem but, I figured I would get in trouble for a comment like that...sorry if anyone took offence...
but, Man, that UI is bad....

Hope Nokia does not go about skinning WP7. It would lead to same problems as major Android skinners - Samsung and HTC - phones.
We have to wait for ICS for 5 months because HTC has to develop a new version of Sense..