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Future WiMax coverage?

This is likely a dumb question, buts its worth a shot, do any of you Sprint insiders have any info on some future WiMax cities? I have used 4G going through Nashville and Atlanta, but I would really love it have it here in Louisville.
Its just frustrating that a city with a metro population of 1.4 Million doesn't have 4G, yet smaller towns like Lansing, MI and Wichita Falls, TX do.

It has to do with the way Clear does business. They will go into small cities because there is less competition. Grand Rapids, Mi, for example, gave Clear tax incentives to build their network there. They are in a lot of larger and mid-sized cities, but they are going to go where there is less competition, or some other type of incentive to go there. Sprint is going to have a good amount of say in where Clear builds out since they own a majority of Clear, but Clear still needs to be profitable (which they are not), or at least try.
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Sprint is switching to LTE in the near future so WiMax is going away
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giantmidget said:
Sprint is switching to LTE in the near future so WiMax is going away
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Where's your source on this?

obiwrx_3zero3 said:
Where's your source on this?
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Excellent question. Would give you thanks but apparently I'm limited to 5 a day.

I work at a Sprint service & got to listen in on a conference call with the sprint engineers. I shouldn't have said near future cause ETA is 2012 for it.
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obiwrx_3zero3 said:
Where's your source on this?
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There's a topic on Engadget about it. http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...ur-to-six-months/&category=classic&postPage=1
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Sooo...if sprint did decide to switch to LTE...would that make us obsolete? I'm assuming I wouldn't get "4g" since my phone is wimax right? If that's the case, there would be some serious hell to pay since 4g and sprints pricing is the only reason I got rid of my 4 year old xv6800 and switched from verizon.
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squshy 7 said:
Sooo...if sprint did decide to switch to LTE...would that make us obsolete? I'm assuming I wouldn't get "4g" since my phone is wimax right? If that's the case, there would be some serious hell to pay since 4g and sprints pricing is the only reason I got rid of my 4 year old xv6800 and switched from verizon.
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Thats a good question? anyone want to answer this?

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Thats a good question? anyone want to answer this?
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My best guess would be that the current 4G hardware would be fine. Clear is where Sprint gets their WiMax and Clear has a lot of customers using WiMax for home internet with a lot of equipment and I don't see it being cost effective to try and get everyone on LTE at the same time. Sprint and Clear would probably shift everyone over to LTE at some point, but that would be years down the road after LTE comes out. Kind of like the way the cell providers handled the switch from analog to digital. Just a guess, but when LTE comes out, there will be overlap while they sell out of their WiMax equipment as cheaper phones and sell new LTE equipment as their premium phones and they will support WiMax for 3-5 years longer. This is all conjecture, but I think this is the way it will happen.
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Yeah, and lets be honest with ourselves too...by the time this would actually happen across their entire current 3G spectrum, most people would already be on new phones by then anyway, regardless of how happy or not they are on their current one anyway.

giantmidget said:
I work at a Sprint service & got to listen in on a conference call with the sprint engineers. I shouldn't have said near future cause ETA is 2012 for it.
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I call BS.
While Sprint can/will be able to flick a switch and enable LTE, there is no good reason to do it unless they want to BYOD Verizon phones. Which might be a reason to do it.
WiMAX has done better than LTE across the board. WiMAX comes from an IT background, with it's endless dev cycle and fierce price competition. LTE comes from a telco background, with it's bloat and ponderous plodding.
This means LTE deployments are very slow but work well. WiMax customers are going to suffer through bugs but they will be patched and reved through quickly.
Sprint has never has GSM phones, tho they are more common. Why Sprint would give up there mufti year head start to switch tech is beyond me.

LargePrime said:
I call BS.
While Sprint can/will be able to flick a switch and enable LTE, there is no good reason to do it unless they want to BYOD Verizon phones. Which might be a reason to do it.
WiMAX has done better than LTE across the board. WiMAX comes from an IT background, with it's endless dev cycle and fierce price competition. LTE comes from a telco background, with it's bloat and ponderous plodding.
This means LTE deployments are very slow but work well. WiMax customers are going to suffer through bugs but they will be patched and reved through quickly.
Sprint has never has GSM phones, tho they are more common. Why Sprint would give up there mufti year head start to switch tech is beyond me.
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Not to knock anything you're saying but in my opinion, Wi-max isn't really good.
Sure, it has great range. Building penetration however, sucks. 2.5 ghz spectrum is not good IMO. Right now Verizon is testing VOLTE, voWIMAX on phones will be awful. It works well on Clear because most people put their modems in one spot and that's it. For phones, it would call for frequent disconnects.
I love Sprint, but after the froyo debacle, and me playing around with LTE 4G.
I believe LTE is the way to go

WiMAX is an open spec and does not have a frequency requirement. LTE is worse at building penetration then WiMAX, but that is not important. It is about frequency.
Sprint could run WiMax over 800 MHZ just fine. Poof no more reason for LTE.
But penetration, I understand, is not going to be a problem when we get around to 802.16m.
LTE is a closed, expensive, protocol. It is not network centric, it's Telco centric.

Anywhere in louisiana Please

ryno502 said:
Its just frustrating that a city with a metro population of 1.4 Million doesn't have 4G, yet smaller towns like Lansing, MI and Wichita Falls, TX do.
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Oh that frustrates you?
How about this, Sebring, a city about 60 miles west of me has 4G via Clear. It is only Sebring, not bleed over from a neighboring city or anything like that.
Their population is around 10,000.
Suck on that for a while.

giantmidget said:
Sprint is switching to LTE in the near future so WiMax is going away
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+1 I met a guy that works for ERICSSON which that company maintains Sprint towers here in Austin Texas.
He told me that LTE is more reliable/cheaper than clear-wire 4g. And not to expect anything till 2013/2014.
And he also told me that clear-wire 4g is not making profit.
If this is true ..I really don't know
Personally I think 4g sucks..unreliable

Why you do not want LTE
The thread is long and through. I think I'ma sig it.

Sprint discontinuing WiMax

According to Cnet's sources, on October 7th Sprint is going to announce that it is discontinuing its Wimaxipad rollout and moving to lte, leaving our phones behind.
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20112095&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-94
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kingsway8605 said:
According to Cnet's sources, on October 7th Sprint is going to announce that it is discontinuing its Wimaxipad rollout and moving to lte, leaving our phones behind.
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20112095&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-94
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Really? Did you really have to post this hyperbole?
"Leaving our phones behind"??? Yeah, in 2 or more years.
Jesus christ people...
EDIT: This is also months old news around here.

even if they did, I wont be letting this thing go until sprint gets the prime or HD. I love this phone too much

kingsway8605 said:
According to Cnet's sources, on October 7th Sprint is going to announce that it is discontinuing its Wimaxipad rollout and moving to lte, leaving our phones behind.
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Old news. Wimax has been deployed in a new city for quite sometime and all the indications were that Sprint was going LTE. Existing Wimax signals likely won't be turned off for a couple of years. LTE phones won't be showing up on Sprint for 6-12 months, or right about when I'm ready to upgrade to a new phone anyway.

Mhh not interesting ... Im more pissed that they ended their premeir program... That was ****ty.
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iSaint said:
Mhh not interesting ... Im more pissed that they ended their premeir program... That was ****ty.
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It was the main reason I liked sprint. Lol
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Overstew said:
It was the main reason I liked sprint. Lol
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Atleast i get one more upgrade
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Looks like ima have to get the lte phone next upgrade
Samsung Galaxy S Dos indeed

For years, Sprint has relied on Clearwire, which uses an alternate, but older, 4G technology called WiMax.
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...they dont even know what they're talking about and are reporting on rumors...lovely.
Anyway, any network deactivation would take quite a while before it actually happens.
By the time it does, if it does, no one on XDA will have a Wimax Sprint phone anyway.
Sprint announced they were shutting down the iDen network a year ago... that won't even be done until 2013.

Overstew said:
It was the main reason I liked sprint. Lol
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I know right dude .. makes you just want to leave them .. i only see them going down the ****ter with these "changes" they're making to bring the damn iPhone to their network ... it's sad.

Sprint is still rolling out WiMax, as a matter of fact it was just turned on here in Naples, Fl. about a week ago. Also, Sprint has stated they will continue to support their 3G network and WiMax network as well as they have announced plans to develop a third LTE network in conjunction with Clear and a 4th LTE network in conjunction with Lighsquared. Sprint also has the ability to run a software update on their WiMax towers which will allow WiMax devices to run on the LTE networks so there is really nothing to be concerned about. Sprint is also planning to phase out the IDEN network in 2012.

jobryan26 said:
Sprint also has the ability to run a software update on their WiMax towers which will allow WiMax devices to run on the LTE networks
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[Citation Needed]
It's not that I don't believe you...it's just that...I don't believe you.
What I do know about WiMax and LTE is that the base stations, aside from minor hardware difference (coax vs fiber to antenna/emitter) they are only a software patch away from each other.
I have read that multiple times from multiple sources.
I have also read that such a thing is not possible with our devices. A WiMax devices is a WiMax device. Period.
Though what you say, hopefully on purpose, is very intriguing though potentially confusing. "Allow WiMax devices to run on LTE networks" ...when you look at it that way it doesn't seem so unreasonable...suggesting an abstraction layer?
Either way, citation needed. pics or it didn't happen, etc.

jobryan26 said:
Sprint also has the ability to run a software update on their WiMax towers which will allow WiMax devices to run on the LTE networks so there is really nothing to be concerned about
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Sorry but no.
That's like suggesting a software update will allow a GSM phone work on a CDMA network.

Inb4norevbnowdroppingwimaxdrama

bondosho said:
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Yup... this is fncking absurd. I understand, not everybody can afford to upgrade their phone every 3-6 months...but Sprint isn't going to leave anyone behind.
If it was Rev.B we wouldn't get "left behind"....everyone on advanced new phones chugging through data on Rev.B would free up (tons) of bandwidth for us. If it is LTE we wouldn't get "left behind" because just dropping support for something is unheard of in this industry...do you know when AMPS (Analog Mobile Phone Service) was finally officially removed from service? 2008...that's "1G" Service (2G is digital voice), started service in the US in 1983. Sprint was the first to offer digital service in like 1997 or 1998 IIRC....so it took 10 effing years to finally kill that legacy service.
Stop worrying. Even when they want to murder tech quickly it's nearly impossible...aside from everyone being concerned with their own tiny little selfish "me and my phone" bubble just step back and consider how as many as TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE would be potentially affected by it...and aside from your selfish little bubble that includes you and your new toy--which, for the record, I do think Sprint wouldn't think twice about alienating--I'm willing to bet that Sprint would like to avoid the backlash of millions of people.
I dunno...either that or you wasted your entire graduation gift money on a paperweight. Your call, really.

I would rather have decent 3g coverage in my apartment lol. A block south and there's awesome
Signal. Where at my apartment I barely get 3 bars if I'm lucky. Lte or wimax, I just want coverage.
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We knew they were jumping over to LTE. However, they know they can't just go shutting down WiMax service--especially while still selling and releasing new WiMax phones. Don't worry lads, our phones won't be going unsupported for several years yet.

I just hope they expand wimax more

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I just hope they expand wimax more
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...I dunno about all that.
Though I'm not sure of Clearwire's plans. I'd check into that. If Clearwire expands then we'll probably get access to their network until the official EOL for their contract...which is probably measured in years.

Ok, that was weird my post disappeared or I edited it on accident daneurysm.
Here was the link to the latest news on Sprint's network. http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/09/27/sprints-lte-plans-leaked/

[INFO] Sprint LTE Updates _ Interesting article regarding the future of Sprint Vision

In no way related to Epic 4G Touch but I found it very interesting ... comment as you see fit.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...sprint-cdma1x-800-channels-and-sids-revealed/
EDIT: Additional info regarding Sprint's progress on Network Vision LTE upgrades: http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/
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EDIT# 2: Reading your comments, I realized many of you are not aware that LTE is NOT AVAILABLE for our phones !!! ... Now you want to ask me why did I bother to post this article since our phones are not supported ... Because since they started the Network Vision upgrades, the 3G speeds have vastly improved !!! I remember 3G download speeds between 200 to 400 Kbps and now I constantly get between 800 Mbps to 2.2 Mbps.

Thanks great article! Think i'm gonna grab some gas from Hammond, IN tomorrow & run a few speed test while there! Now for this Galaxy S III LTE! I didn't kno Samsung was doing the roll out, I thought it was "clear" or some other co. does this make gs3touch guaranteed LTE?

samsmalls said:
Thanks great article! Think i'm gonna grab some gas from Hammond, IN tomorrow & run a few speed test while there! Now for this Galaxy S III LTE! I didn't kno Samsung was doing the roll out, I thought it was "clear" or some other co. does this make gs3touch guaranteed LTE?
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Well, it's a different division of Samsung that does it. It also includes Ericson. So....don't extrapolate too much on that, other than Sprint and Samsung have a fantastic relationship.
The other thing is, our phone is designed to only utilize a certain protocol on the 800mhz band....now this article was a little over my head, but it falls in line with what we've been trained on in regards to NV: we're deploying all of our protocols across all of our spectrum, but this will require newer devices designed to do so
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Just read that Orange County California is in the second wave of updates! Woohoo!
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Well, it's a different division of Samsung that does it. It also includes Ericson. So....don't extrapolate too much on that, other than Sprint and Samsung have a fantastic relationship.
The other thing is, our phone is designed to only utilize a certain protocol on the 800mhz band....now this article was a little over my head, but it falls in line with what we've been trained on in regards to NV: we're deploying all of our protocols across all of our spectrum, but this will require newer devices designed to do so
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As far as needing new devices to run on different radio bands, this is not necessarily the case... Now granted there will have to be some sort of radio update for the older devices, but, that can easily be pushed out ota, other wise how would you think aosp roms would work? So a radio update, and Walla, now the device can receive on set spectrum...
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bondosho said:
Just read that Orange County California is in the second wave of updates! Woohoo!
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Just read that Orange County California is in the second wave of updates! Woohoo!
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Yeah man...I didn't think both L.A. and Orange County would be in so early but I guess I shouldn't be that surprised. I got the first Epic on launch day, turned on 4g and never turned it off.
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still no pittsburgh even though we were one of the first wimax cities... its not even on the list yet.

JohnCorleone said:
Yeah man...I didn't think both L.A. and Orange County would be in so early but I guess I shouldn't be that surprised. I got the first Epic on launch day, turned on 4g and never turned it off.
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Yeah? Come down and visit me in San Diego and we'll how that 4G works for ya.
I was happy to see San Diego on the 2nd round list though. Hopefully it goes better than the WiMax deployment. That was nothing but let downs for over 2 years.

Dchibro said:
Yeah? Come down and visit me in San Diego and we'll how that 4G works for ya.
I was happy to see San Diego on the 2nd round list though. Hopefully it goes better than the WiMax deployment. That was nothing but let downs for over 2 years.
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Yeah, I couldn't believe San Diego got left out of the WiMax expansion. There are some major high dollar areas down there too
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Come on over to the valley of Phoenix 5 th largest in the nation and no 4g for sprint but it was the test city for lte so maybe it's already lit up
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Yeah, I couldn't believe San Diego got left out of the WiMax expansion. There are some major high dollar areas down there too
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We have Wimax down here in SD, as long as you are on the SDSU campus, or on a boat in the bay.
I was pretty excited to see SD on the list too, then realized that I'll be in Vegas by then. Well, at least I'll have Wimax to hold me over out there.

Wow what a surprise Norfolk Va area is in 2nd round lte deployment
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...-sprint-network-visionlte-deployment-in-2012/
I guess Verizon lte blanketing my area last year gave them a kick start

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We have Wimax down here in SD, as long as you are on the SDSU campus, or on a boat in the bay.
I was pretty excited to see SD on the list too, then realized that I'll be in Vegas by then. Well, at least I'll have Wimax to hold me over out there.
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I'm in San Diego too and I actually noticed the 4G at SDSU while I was touring there, haha. There's also a small area near my neighborhood with 4G coverage, but it's pretty useless since I have wifi when I'm here. It might be because there's a sprint store really close by, but who knows. I hope it gets rolled out in SD soon though.
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fiddy619 said:
As far as needing new devices to run on different radio bands, this is not necessarily the case... Now granted there will have to be some sort of radio update for the older devices, but, that can easily be pushed out ota, other wise how would you think aosp roms would work? So a radio update, and Walla, now the device can receive on set spectrum...
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It's not that simple, of course our phone picks up 800, 1.9, and 2.5, but the hardware has to be present to be able to decode the different protocols on those bands. Hence, our phone is not LTE capable because it doesn't have an LTE radio, yet LTE will be on the 1.9 and our device uses the 1.9 pretty heavily.
And, I literally just went over the training that talks about Sprint deploying multiple protocols on the same bands yesterday...it was stated pretty explicitly that future devices will be the ones to take advantage of that tech. Its OK, that's pretty far down the road.
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It's not that simple, of course our phone picks up 800, 1.9, and 2.5, but the hardware has to be present to be able to decode the different protocols on those bands. Hence, our phone is not LTE capable because it doesn't have an LTE radio, yet LTE will be on the 1.9 and our device uses the 1.9 pretty heavily.
And, I literally just went over the training that talks about Sprint deploying multiple protocols on the same bands yesterday...it was stated pretty explicitly that future devices will be the ones to take advantage of that tech. Its OK, that's pretty far down the road.
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From what I've been reading, our phones are the last ones that Sprint will ever make compatible to WiMax ... from now on, all the new phones that Sprint will introduce (with 4G suport) will use the LTE radio.

What a surprise (not), I'm one of the first LTE markets.
Grand total of 4G in our area? 3 LTE signals, 2 HSPA+ signals, and the Wimax signal.

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still no pittsburgh even though we were one of the first wimax cities... its not even on the list yet.
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Sprint is following its own independent 4G LTE deployment.
Clearwire's 4G LTE deployment (starting June 2013) will first be overlaid its existing Wimax sites.

Jayavarman said:
Sprint is following its own independent 4G LTE deployment.
Clearwire's 4G LTE deployment (starting June 2013) will first be overlaid its existing Wimax sites.
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Will sprint and clearwire still be working together so that their coverage areas will work for sprint users?
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Thanks for sharing! Now that I see Sprint can't prioritize because of lack of funding or just poor management (Palmdale and Lancaster before Orange County, don't make me laugh Sprint) I'll be heading over to Verizon to use their LTE network that is working NOW.
I'm rich so I'll the pay the extra, it's worth it to not have to settle for 3rd best anymore. It's really getting old.
After 5 years with Sprint they still can't into 2nd gear.

Bad reception - my phone or sprint?

I know this question may only apply to me, but I've always wondered about the answer.
I've been in sprint for over 10 years and the epic touch is my 3rd android phone. No matter where I am in the country and what modem is have running on my phone, I've always had very poor reception.
I'm at the point of changing phones and providers because the issue is so bad.
Does sprint really still suck or is it my phone?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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chuhsi said:
I know this question may only apply to me, but I've always wondered about the answer.
I've been in sprint for over 10 years and the epic touch is my 3rd android phone. No matter where I am in the country and what modem is have running on my phone, I've always had very poor reception.
I'm at the point of changing phones and providers because the issue is so bad.
Does sprint really still suck or is it my phone?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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IMO, Sprint is not the best carrier for reception in all areas, but they are one of the least expensive considering they still have an unlimited plan. You could change the PRL to roam on other carrier's towers, but if you use too much data you can have your contract cancelled I hear.

Might be your phone /area
I myself have great 3g and 4G with sprint.. But then again I'm in a popular area
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MiguelHogue said:
Might be your phone /area
I myself have great 3g and 4G with sprint.. But then again I'm in a popular area
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Sounds like the area.. Unfortunatly... If modems don't make it better, then it's just the coverage around there. I live in a Non 4G area so i'm still wondering what that is like.

Another one of these threads?..... Seriously?
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Sounds like the area.. Unfortunatly... If modems don't make it better, then it's just the coverage around there. I live in a Non 4G area so i'm still wondering what that is like.
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Wait so do you still pay extra for the 4G? If so that sucks
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MiguelHogue said:
Wait so do you still pay extra for the 4G? If so that sucks
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Is a frogs ass water tight? Of course. They get their money from my family. Nature of the beast i guess
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MiguelHogue said:
Wait so do you still pay extra for the 4G? If so that sucks
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Yes, and to get around that $10 fee, it is now called data fee instead of 4G fee. I heard that when they were calling it the 4g fee in areas that did not have 4g there was a class action law suit brewing.

My phone gets similar reception to wife's HTC and friends iPhones on Sprint. Visit a Sprint store that also does service and compare to other phones. Maybe yours has a bad radio?

Maybe I'll bring my phone to test my radio. I travel the nation and am always in a major city (San Francisco, New York, Chicago, etc). As soon as I walk into a building, my reception goes to pretty much zero.

Sounds a bit extreme. Only time I notice reception that bad is walking into one of the walmarts here that must block cell service. I live in a fairly crappy service area too. 97504 if you want to take a look for yourself
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chuhsi said:
Maybe I'll bring my phone to test my radio. I travel the nation and am always in a major city (San Francisco, New York, Chicago, etc). As soon as I walk into a building, my reception goes to pretty much zero.
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Well that's your problem. Concrete + steel beams tend to block out higher end frequencies like 1ghz+ freq's like our 1900mhz cdma & 2.5ghz wimax. No solution to that until you get LTE 800 and CDMA-1x advanced @ 800mgz

I've had 5 phones with Sprint in Minneapolis. My E4GT has the weakest signal of any of them.

Speeds in my area at least seems to be better. 3g speeds/reception at my job went from unusable to being able to stream netflix/youtube vids easily. But yea the E4GT like others have said doesn't have the best built-in radio.

Bannjio said:
Sounds a bit extreme. Only time I notice reception that bad is walking into one of the walmarts here that must block cell service. I live in a fairly crappy service area too. 97504 if you want to take a look for yourself
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Isn't that Medford,OR? I use to live there. Yes, it is very bad in there. T-Mobile is way worse though. Have you tried T-Mobile service? oh god.

Maybe it's finally time to switch to Verizon or at&t versus just getting a note 2 on sprint. Being the only person without cell reception when I'm with a group of people is getting too lame.
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Febby said:
Isn't that Medford,OR? I use to live there. Yes, it is very bad in there. T-Mobile is way worse though. Have you tried T-Mobile service? oh god.
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Yep! I have used T-Mobile in the past, and yes, it was even worse haha. Amazingly, they are currently the best here . Verizon will soon be number one though as they just launched lte here yesterday! Sprint has one upgrade planned in the next 6 months...sigh. I've already accepted that wimax won't be coming here. Sucks for clearwire...maybe lte someday
OP do you know anyone else with our phone? I would be interested to know if it is the phone in general or specifically your phone.
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Bannjio said:
Yep! I have used T-Mobile in the past, and yes, it was even worse haha. Amazingly, they are currently the best here . Verizon will soon be number one though as they just launched lte here yesterday! Sprint has one upgrade planned in the next 6 months...sigh. I've already accepted that wimax won't be coming here. Sucks for clearwire...maybe lte someday
OP do you know anyone else with our phone? I would be interested to know if it is the phone in general or specifically your phone.
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I have a feeling Clearwire LTE will arrive in Medford, as clear does operate the 2.5/2.6ghz (not sure which) but only that it was for pre-wimax devices and never got around to updated the towers to the newer wimax system due to money issues, but, at least once clearwire starts updating to LTE towers, just maybe they will remember this cities.
source: http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-188-clearwire-is-abandoning-
Did verizon really get LTE out there? I wonder if its out near the brookhurst st high school area. I use to go out there a lot frequently as family lives there. Thanks for the information.

chuhsi said:
I know this question may only apply to me, but I've always wondered about the answer.
I've been in sprint for over 10 years and the epic touch is my 3rd android phone. No matter where I am in the country and what modem is have running on my phone, I've always had very poor reception.
I'm at the point of changing phones and providers because the issue is so bad.
Does sprint really still suck or is it my phone?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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You're holding it wrong.

If you used WiMAX 4G non-LTE and do NOT have LTE available in your area...

I upgraded from the ET4G which has WiMax 4g. There is a 4g tower literally 1/4 mile down my street and i was getting an average of 8-10Mb/sec download speed under Wimax.
I ASSUMED... (thats where i went wrong) I purchased the Note 2, and thought there was the 3g, 4g WiMAX, and 4g LTE modes/antennas. Nope. So now that I have the Note 2 without LTE in my area, I'm stuck with HORRIBLE 3g (CDMA) speeds. No more HD Netflix or even a reliable connection to Pandora (high quality).
I live in South Bay Silicon valley area in California. Now I have to WAIT until LTE rolls out before I can use a data connection speed over 100k/sec. I cant believe they made this phone without the ability to connect to WiMAX 4g. I suppose WiMAX 4g will trashed once LTE rolls out and that would be a waste of hardware in the phone but there was no warning in the tech specs or Sprint reps.
Just warning to all out there wanting to upgrade the the Galaxy Note 2 where LTE is not available but have WiMAX speeds. The phone will NOT pick up WiMAX 4G. I would have waited to upgrade. =(

jeffokada81 said:
I upgraded from the ET4G which has standard 4g. There is a 4g tower literally 1/4 mile down my street and i was getting an average of 8-10Mb/sec download speed under 4g.
I ASSUMED... (thats where i went wrong) I purchased the Note 2, and thought there was the 3g, 4g, and 4g LTE modes/antennas. Nope. So now that I have the Note 2 without LTE in my area, I'm stuck with HORRIBLE 3g (CDMA) speeds. No more HD Netflix or even a reliable connection to Pandora (high quality).
I live in South Bay Silicon valley area in California. Now I have to WAIT until LTE rolls out before I can use a data connection speed over 100k/sec. I cant believe they made this phone without the ability to connect to standard 4g. I supposed 4g will trashed once LTE rolls aout and that would be a waste of hardware in the phone but there was no warning in the tech specs or Sprint reps.
Just warning to all out there wanting to upgrade the the Galaxy Note 2 where LTE is not available but have standard 4g speeds. The phone will NOT pick up 4G. I would have waited to upgrade. =(
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You could always switch back to the epic 4G Touch until LTE arrives and use the note 2 as a WiFi device.
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woah, seriously? I had no idea this was the case... major bummer. I wonder if custom ROMs have the option?

lynyrd65 said:
You could always switch back to the epic 4G Touch until LTE arrives and use the note 2 as a WiFi device.
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Very true, I was just hoping to sell it for $200 and make some money back off the the beastly Note 2 price (on contract when purchased). Its so sad, I'm so used to looking at the 720p screen, it makes the E4GT look so much like a girly phone. =) I read some articles on how fast the 4g LTE should be coming out with wider coverage, I guess LTE is supposed to cover just about everywhere that has 3G coverage. Just a matter of time.Since the Optimus G and the Note 2 are being released, they are pushing LTE as "quick as they can" supposedly.

Dioscorus said:
woah, seriously? I had no idea this was the case... major bummer. I wonder if custom ROMs have the option?
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I checked as best I could. I went into the phones hidden menu using the MSL code and checked the settings. There is no mode for 4G and 4G LTE separately. Sprint tech support also confirmed this (which I don't believe the crap they say). I gave them a hard time because I had a very hard time believing that that phone would not pickup standard 4G.
The app called 'PHONE INFO' on the market show you all your options for radio settings also.

A simple, quick google search would have confirmed that this phone does not have a WiMAX antenna... Samsung tried the best they could to standardize the hardware - not only across carriers but globally as well.

chunology said:
A simple, quick google search would have confirmed that this phone does not have a WiMAX antenna... Samsung tried the best they could to standardize the hardware - not only across carriers but globally as well.
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Thats why I used the words 'I ASSUMED' It makes sense to have WiMAX built in. A normal person would assume it would hence the posting. Just a warning thread.
You wouldn't think to check if, 4G would work on a 4G LTE phone.

Not to piss on ur rant bit its been said a million times by sprint and everyone else no new wimax devices wayyy back before evo lte launched its kinda a no Brainer, that this device wouldn't have wimax jus sayin
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randy2 said:
Not to piss on ur rant bit its been said a million times by sprint and everyone else no new wimax devices wayyy back before evo lte launched its kinda a no Brainer, that this device wouldn't have wimax jus sayin
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Obviously my fault with not keeping up with tech specs. I stayed on T-mobile after switching from Sprint just phone their line of phones and recently came back to Sprint. GSM is alot more simple.

jeffokada81 said:
I checked as best I could. I went into the phones hidden menu using the MSL code and checked the settings. There is no mode for 4G and 4G LTE separately. Sprint tech support also confirmed this (which I don't believe the crap they say). I gave them a hard time because I had a very hard time believing that that phone would not pickup standard 4G.
The app called 'PHONE INFO' on the market show you all your options for radio settings also.
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Even though I was basically without 4G since the inception, I am glad that they didnt include a WiMax radio on this phone. It is a battery leach (so it was always turned off) and I would not want to change the battery life of this phone ever. I am right now on 1 day 5 hours with about 15% left on this battery charge.

yankees177 said:
Even though I was basically without 4G since the inception, I am glad that they didnt include a WiMax radio on this phone. It is a battery leach (so it was always turned off) and I would not want to change the battery life of this phone ever. I am right now on 1 day 5 hours with about 15% left on this battery charge.
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Yes, WiMAX was a leach! At least the specs for battery life are close to 3g battery life. Something i can look forward to.

Not claiming the validity of the thread but I only have one problem which is the OP calling WiMax a standard 4G. So far only LTE Advanced (not a regular LTE) is capable of such standard.

someone0 said:
Not claiming the validity of the thread but I only have one problem which is the OP calling WiMax a standard 4G. So far only LTE Advanced (not a regular LTE) is capable of such standard.
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I was thinking about correcting that but i figure people got the idea.... ill go ahead and change that...

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the sprint s3 the same way? Lte only, no wimax?
I'm sorry about this, but honestly this was a no Brainer. Once sprint signed on with lte, wimax was done. To expect them to put a battery draining radio they had no intention of continuing with (known for a very long time) would be unrealistic.
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jyveturkey said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the sprint s3 the same way? Lte only, no wimax?
I'm sorry about this, but honestly this was a no Brainer. Once sprint signed on with lte, wimax was done. To expect them to put a battery draining radio they had no intention of continuing with (known for a very long time) would be unrealistic.
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I've been following the thread since the first page and have been waiting for someone to post exactly this. Complete no brainer IMO

Jocelyn said:
I've been following the thread since the first page and have been waiting for someone to post exactly this. Complete no brainer IMO
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Ah, oh well. I should have kept up with the High speed specs of LTE and WiMAX. I just went out and bought the lastest and greatest. I'm your typical "USER". I did some searching. obviously AFTER the fact and it seems I'm not the only one which make me feel a bit better about getting flamed.

It's not a big deal, and in fact, I'm a bit surprised you didn't get hammered sooner and harder. I'm thinking these forums are not as active or less forgiving than say the development forums.
Enjoy your new toy, I'm jealous but I'm holding off till development is further along.
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This is coming from a 4 year XDA vet? Really? Wow...
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jyveturkey said:
It's not a big deal, and in fact, I'm a bit surprised you didn't get hammered sooner and harder. I'm thinking these forums are not as active or less forgiving than say the development forums.
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Duh
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fatboypup said:
Duh
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Lol! Just gonna leave leave the thread open to how much my rectum can take...