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Okay, for those of you who haven't fired up your favorite tech-news site yet, AT&T announced that they are doing away with their $30/month unlimited data plan. Instead, we are going to have to pay $25/month for 2GB..... What the %^[email protected]?????? On average, do we consume more than 2GB/month of data on our Rhodiums? Between the browsing, streaming, and navigation programs I use, I'm not sure what my total data uses are. Please, someone calm me down and tell me that I'm going to be okay. ...yeah, but seriously, dang.........this sucks.......
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I called AT&T customer support and found out that they are not forcing existing customers off unlimited. You have until June, 7th to get the unlimited plan, after that it is gone forever! Like I said, if you have it now, you're still good.
I saw that this morning too, it's the final straw. When they go to change it I will tell them I've a Customer since 1995 (SWB Wireless) , and I will be changing carriers. I've been unhappy since the merger everything has gone down hill. Also I will inform them since they are violating the contract I signed up for, they shouldn't be charging a breach of contract fee, but even at that, if they do I will gladly pay the $250 and tell them to shove it up their USB port !
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I read the release. This is only for new customers and current customer will not be forced to move to their new plans. I tried an iPhone earlier this year. If this new plan had been in place, AT&T wouldn't have even been a consideration for me.
Are you kidding me? Not only they are charging me twice now as I used to pay for the same internet because I have a "smart" phone but now they want to kill us with this ?
Time to look for a new carrier....
I have Unlimted Text & Internet for dumbphone on my Fuze (and now my Tmobile TP2) for 30/month (with 5GB cap). My tilt 2 is in the mail. Hopefully when I switch to my tilt 2 they wont add a data plan to my account...
As stated above this change ONLY applies to NEW contracts....if your currently on the unlimited data plan then this will NOT affect you I only hope they're going to use this time that they're trying to buy to improve their data speed and coverage.
My personal opnion is the problems they're having is from all the iphone and ipad sheeple choking down the network with the gazillions of stupid useless apps they're downloading with no clue as to what they do other than "billybob down the street said this is a good ap to have" meanwhile it's got their phone runing as a proxy server for billybob to exploit.
shaolin95 said:
Are you kidding me? Not only they are charging me twice now as I used to pay for the same internet because I have a "smart" phone but now they want to kill us with this ?
Time to look for a new carrier....
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I know, did the same when I switch from my tilt to the tilt2. Made me upgrade from old $15 unlimited data plan because "All new phone have to go to this." And now this? WT*?! I definitely will pay the money and go t-mobile and get the hd2 anyway else or verizon or sumthg.
I like how they keep screwing the customer and saying it's for the customer's benefit. AT&T is the new Verizon. Looks like it's time to start considering Sprint and T-Mobile now. AT&T is clearly down a path to screw customers while not improving service. They will continue to keep pulling these stunts until it's made very public and they are forced to get defensive about what they are doing.
f'ing bastards.
McHale said:
I like how they keep screwing the customer and saying it's for the customer's benefit. AT&T is the new Verizon. Looks like it's time to start considering Sprint and T-Mobile now. AT&T is clearly down a path to screw customers while not improving service. They will continue to keep pulling these stunts until it's made very public and they are forced to get defensive about what they are doing.
f'ing bastards.
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So I just read that if you still have the plan you are cool at least until you need to upgrade again, is that right?
I've been with them about 10 yrs now, and it seems that way. Alot less and charge you more while only worry bout Apple.
The rep that I spoke with on the phone said that they were doing this to satisfy the customers that did not want to pay the $30/month requirement for smartphones. They will have two rates $25/month for 2GB and $15/month for 220MB. This way, one could get a new phone and just pay the $15/month to have a nice, new smartphone. That's my theory anyway.
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So I just read that if you still have the plan you are cool at least until you need to upgrade again, is that right?
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If you read all of the info, and read AT&T's announcment it says that even at RENEWAL AND UPGRADE old users will be able to keep the unlimited. Also if you look at your account online, it will give you a chart for all of your internet usage since November 2009. You can see how much you use. Many will decide that unlimited is a waste and will "downgrade" to the 2 GB plan and save $5. Heck my wife loves the smart phone, but rarely uses any of the data features except a few emails... now she can get the $15 plan and save quite a bit each month.
Look at your usage, I would bet that you use much, much less than you think you do.
They also have a usage estimator. It is extremely difficult to hit 2 GB unless you a) stream (lots) of music or b) stream video. Normal net surfing and the occasional app download and tons of email fit very comfortably under the cap.
For me, I will be keeping my unlimited plan, but the wifes phone is definitely getting downgraded to the cheaper plan. Thank you AT&T.
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If you read all of the info, and read AT&T's announcment it says that even at RENEWAL AND UPGRADE old users will be able to keep the unlimited. Also if you look at your account online, it will give you a chart for all of your internet usage since November 2009. You can see how much you use. Many will decide that unlimited is a waste and will "downgrade" to the 2 GB plan and save $5. Heck my wife loves the smart phone, but rarely uses any of the data features except a few emails... now she can get the $15 plan and save quite a bit each month.
Look at your usage, I would bet that you use much, much less than you think you do.
They also have a usage estimator. It is extremely difficult to hit 2 GB unless you a) stream (lots) of music or b) stream video. Normal net surfing and the occasional app download and tons of email fit very comfortably under the cap.
For me, I will be keeping my unlimited plan, but the wifes phone is definitely getting downgraded to the cheaper plan. Thank you AT&T.
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I stream video A LOT....going to work and coming back home I am normally watching some youtube old comedies like Unhappily ever after , etc so I may not be going with their lower rate plan.
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The rep that I spoke with on the phone said that they were doing this to satisfy the customers that did not want to pay the $30/month requirement for smartphones. They will have two rates $25/month for 2GB and $15/month for 220MB. This way, one could get a new phone and just pay the $15/month to have a nice, new smartphone. That's my theory anyway.
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which is a bull**** answer because if that were the case, they'd keep the unlimited option and add these to their portfolio.
It has been confirmed that you can keep your unlimited plan but that's until you upgrade your phone or your minute plan. This has always been the case.
F'n greedy ignorant bastards.
-Mc
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If you read all of the info, and read AT&T's announcment it says that even at RENEWAL AND UPGRADE old users will be able to keep the unlimited.
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I just renewed my family's 2-year contracts with unlimited data on 3 devices.
From the quote above, after my two year contacts expire, I can do an equipment upgrade and still keep my unlimited data plans. Is that correct?
By the time my 2-year contracts expires, I'm sure there will be alot of changes and other options to consider. Other carriers may be offering iPhones by then (for my wife and son), and I really don't like the direction that Windows Moble is going right now.
For me, a different carrier and a different device may be in order at the end of my current contract.
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For me, I will be keeping my unlimited plan, but the wifes phone is definitely getting downgraded to the cheaper plan. Thank you AT&T.
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I thought about this a well. I checked my family's data usage.
My son uses a over a gigabyte of data a month on his iPhone.
I come in at just under a gigabyte on my Tilt2, but only because I'm more diligent about using WiFi or other data connections instead of 3G whenever possible.
My wife, on the other hand, averages about 150 to 200Kilobytes per month on her iPhone... which is the threshold for the new basic data plan.
So, will I be switch her to the cheaper plan? Probably not, considering that she has only had her iPhone for a couple of months. Chances are her data usage will only grow as she discovers better and more efficient ways to use her phone.
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The rep that I spoke with on the phone said that they were doing this to satisfy the customers that did not want to pay the $30/month requirement for smartphones. They will have two rates $25/month for 2GB and $15/month for 220MB. This way, one could get a new phone and just pay the $15/month to have a nice, new smartphone. That's my theory anyway.
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No, they are doing it because they don't have enough network capacity for all the smartphones they have sold. They are trying to keep people from using the bandwidth by making it expensive.
AT&T has been in a lot of hot water because their service has suffered due to their being the only network that offers the IPhone. From what I read, San Francisco and New York are having major problems with bandwidth.
Verizon started charging 9.95 a month for each smart phone. for a limited amount of data. They only have 4 phones that don't get charged that. We switched from Verizon because it would have cost me an extra 30 a month for my 3 kids who dont even go on the internet to have a decent phone to text. Maybe they are all going this route
if they're trying to save bandwidth, then maybe forcing data plans on people wasn't such a smart idea.
Those idiots can't have it both ways as hard as they lie... I mean TRY.
F'n AT&T morons.
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I like how they keep screwing the customer and saying it's for the customer's benefit. AT&T is the new Verizon. Looks like it's time to start considering Sprint and T-Mobile now. AT&T is clearly down a path to screw customers while not improving service. They will continue to keep pulling these stunts until it's made very public and they are forced to get defensive about what they are doing.
f'ing bastards.
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McHale said:
which is a bull**** answer because if that were the case, they'd keep the unlimited option and add these to their portfolio.
It has been confirmed that you can keep your unlimited plan but that's until you upgrade your phone or your minute plan. This has always been the case.
F'n greedy ignorant bastards.
-Mc
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McHale said:
if they're trying to save bandwidth, then maybe forcing data plans on people wasn't such a smart idea.
hose idiots can't have it both ways as hard as they lie... I mean TRY.
F'n AT&T morons.
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I don't believe that McHale likes AT&T that much
Does this mean I can get out of my 2yr contract w/o any ETF?!
I feel like I could argue with AT&T to get out of it w/o any fees...
I was worried about losing my unlimited data when I upgraded. VZW told me if you ask you can stay "grandfathered" in to the unlimited.
My order is in and final and I'm still on VZWunlimited-Sweet.
If you opt into a 2 or 4gb plan you can not go back. Also some of the affiliate discounts(mine is 22%) won't apply to the metered plans either
I'm so glad I contacted VZW now I still get unlimited data for $24/mo!
Did you have a verizon 4g phone before?
I signed a 2 year agreement with Verizon when the Droid Charge first came out with unlimited data. I really want the Galaxy Nexus, which means I'll have to pay full retail. If I do that, I can still keep my unlimited data correct? I've never really bought a phone mid contract before so I just want to make sure.
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Did you have a verizon 4g phone before?
I signed a 2 year agreement with Verizon when the Droid Charge first came out with unlimited data. I really want the Galaxy Nexus, which means I'll have to pay full retail. If I do that, I can still keep my unlimited data correct? I've never really bought a phone mid contract before so I just want to make sure.
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If you buy a phone or if you upgrade, you keep the unlimited data. There's no way you lose the unlimited data unless you add the hotspot feature in which case they say you need to switch to their new data plans. But, you always have your unlimited data as long as you're on VZW.
Correct me if I'm wrong about that hotspot part!
I think that is for the VZW branded crap ass pay per month tether feature
You can use Wireless tether and other apps but you may have to root. I think it may even have native tether? Just don't tell 'em!
I know my DINC runnning CM7 and Asus transformer could tether nativly with bluetooth.
So awesome I feel like I won the lottery I burn through that 4GB in no time on a slow day at work!
They really try to push you away from it too lol
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Did you have a verizon 4g phone before?
I signed a 2 year agreement with Verizon when the Droid Charge first came out with unlimited data. I really want the Galaxy Nexus, which means I'll have to pay full retail. If I do that, I can still keep my unlimited data correct? I've never really bought a phone mid contract before so I just want to make sure.
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You would have to talk to verizon there was a cut off date when they changed to tiered service, google it you can find it.
I think if they let you instead of paying retail for GN you break your current contract which would be $350- 10 per month you paid and you should be good for new contract price total of ~500 instead of $650. Then you are back in the contract though...
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You would have to talk to verizon there was a cut off date when they changed to tiered service, google it you can find it.
I think if they let you instead of paying retail for GN you break your current contract which would be $350- 10 per month you paid and you should be good for new contract price total of ~500 instead of $650. Then you are back in the contract though...
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I should've mentioned that my brother is the primary account holder on the family plan since he gets a discount. Don't know if I can just break it - I'm ok with paying retail for it.
I know this doesn't directly relate to the Galaxy Nexus, but personally this is the only reason I have my Nexus on Verizon. So if you are in the same boat as me give this a read:
http://cnet.co/Jel0xa
Had to happen eventually.
This. Is why I told my friends to switch to the double data promo a couple months ago. I am Jack's total lack of surprise.
I would just like to take this moment to say this to all the people who said I was wrong about this ever happening:
IN YO' FACE!
Well I guess we need to wait for the exact info but there is some speculation that even someone on your family account changing phones could cause anyone on the same account to lose unlimited. My wife just recently downgraded from Android to iPhone (has had 2 HTC phones which both would not shut off the screen when she had it next to her face and she doesn't like the screen size of the LTE phones) who I guess now has a 3G unlimited plan down from a 4G plan she had when she was using my old Thunderbolt. While she doesn't use that much data and being forced into a tiered plan when she upgrades in 2 years won't be a big deal but I want to keep my unlimited even if it means buying phones off contract. The only thing that might make it ok is the $60 I pay now between both phones for data can be used for like a 10 or 20 gig bucket.
I will be pissed if they don't offer us AT LEAST the double data promo.
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Well I guess we need to wait for the exact info but there is some speculation that even someone on your family account changing phones could cause anyone on the same account to lose unlimited. My wife just recently downgraded from Android to iPhone (has had 2 HTC phones which both would not shut off the screen when she had it next to her face and she doesn't like the screen size of the LTE phones) who I guess now has a 3G unlimited plan down from a 4G plan she had when she was using my old Thunderbolt. While she doesn't use that much data and being forced into a tiered plan when she upgrades in 2 years won't be a big deal but I want to keep my unlimited even if it means buying phones off contract. The only thing that might make it ok is the $60 I pay now between both phones for data can be used for like a 10 or 20 gig bucket.
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I think thats exactly the opposite of how its going to work, if you have a contract with them, you can make them honor it. If you do not have a contract with them, your screwed. Right now I am paying $50 for 10GB, if the "data share" thing comes through, I imagine they would charge you $10/each additional phone on your plan, you would be looking at around $60/10GB IF they are still offering the double data! That's a BIG if, you better call them right now. Normally $50 gets you 5GB.
It is what it is, these wireless companies are all the same. Personally I'm tired of the misinformation, online petitions and broken promises. When my contract is up and they try to move me or my 3G wife to another plan I'll let my wallet do the talking and go to the company that offers the best overall value.
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lrs421 said:
It is what it is, these wireless companies are all the same. Personally I'm tired of the misinformation, online petitions and broken promises. When my contract is up and they try to move me or my 3G wife to another plan I'll let my wallet do the talking and go to the company that offers the best overall value.
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The problem for me is VZW is the only carrier to actually have reception in my area, and everybody knows it, so they can charge whatever they want. I have a choice of paying VZW a super premium and always being able to use the device I am paying for, or paying a competitor and not having service.
adrynalyne said:
I would just like to take this moment to say this to all the people who said I was wrong about this ever happening:
IN YO' FACE!
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People were in denial if they thought they'd never have to get rid of unlimited on VZW.
martonikaj said:
People were in denial if they thought they'd never have to get rid of unlimited on VZW.
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Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
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People were in denial if they thought they'd never have to get rid of unlimited on VZW.
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I'm just shocked they won't let us use it through the rest of our contract. Giving people only a few months using it and making them switch mid contract is beyond awful.
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So now I need some advice. According to these reports, specifically on techcrunch, "Shammo makes it sound like only customers who upgrade after the change takes place will have to pick a new data plan (for better or worse), and with any luck they’ll leave the lucky souls who have already locked their old data plans alone for now."
I bought a Gnex on verizon a few weeks after it came out. I'm currently on a family plan and I'm the only one who has a smartphone on the plan (3 total phones, mine's one of the "added" lines). Currently I'm on a "month to month" I guess is what it's called. My particular line's contract expired at the beginning of this month and I am currently just paying my same charges with unlimited data, but not bound into the 2 year agreement as far as I'm aware.
What I want to know is how to handle it from here on out, if there's a way to even handle it well. I would like to renew my contract and be able to keep my grandfathered unlimited data through this garbage, which means I need to act immediately before they put this crap into effect, assuming it won't go retro active. So with that being said, can I just simply call and get my contract renewed for 2 years and that be that? Is there even a way to do that? I just don't want to blow whatever extra time I have on my grandfathered unlimited data.
I realize that all the information isn't there, but how would you guys handle this if you were in my position? I don't want to screw myself, I use 8-12 gb of data a month so this is sort of important.
TeeRom said:
I'm just shocked they won't let us use it through the rest of our contract. Giving people only a few months using it and making them switch mid contract is beyond awful.
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Welcome to corporate greed in America. Where carriers love to rip you off and lock you down for two years.
Of course this was bound to happen.
chlehqls said:
Welcome to corporate greed in America. Where carriers love to rip you off and lock you down for two years.
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Maybe we should move to Canada, where the greed is much less.
Oh wait, they have 3 year contracts
lblacklol said:
So now I need some advice. According to these reports, specifically on techcrunch, "Shammo makes it sound like only customers who upgrade after the change takes place will have to pick a new data plan (for better or worse), and with any luck they’ll leave the lucky souls who have already locked their old data plans alone for now."
I bought a Gnex on verizon a few weeks after it came out. I'm currently on a family plan and I'm the only one who has a smartphone on the plan (3 total phones, mine's one of the "added" lines). Currently I'm on a "month to month" I guess is what it's called. My particular line's contract expired at the beginning of this month and I am currently just paying my same charges with unlimited data, but not bound into the 2 year agreement as far as I'm aware.
What I want to know is how to handle it from here on out, if there's a way to even handle it well. I would like to renew my contract and be able to keep my grandfathered unlimited data through this garbage, which means I need to act immediately before they put this crap into effect, assuming it won't go retro active. So with that being said, can I just simply call and get my contract renewed for 2 years and that be that? Is there even a way to do that? I just don't want to blow whatever extra time I have on my grandfathered unlimited data.
I realize that all the information isn't there, but how would you guys handle this if you were in my position? I don't want to screw myself, I use 8-12 gb of data a month so this is sort of important.
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Reading through all these sites and Shamu or shammon quotes sounds like people with 3g upgrading to 4g phones will be forced into the shared data plans. But hell either way were all screwed.
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Boycott data plans is the only solution to change.
...of the people, by the people, for the people...
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Boycott data plans is the only solution to change.
...of the people, by the people, for the people...
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Jitterbug, HERE I COME!
switching to tmobile $30/mo prepaid plan and using voip? perhaps.
we'll see how all this stuff turns out. if you didnt see this was coming, you were blind.
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adrynalyne said:
Jitterbug, HERE I COME!
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i always knew you were special and needed help with the buttons on your phone!
chlehqls said:
Welcome to corporate greed in America. Where carriers love to rip you off and lock you down for two years.
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Don't give them your money then?
Can I add a family member to my Verizon Unlimited Data plan & get them unlimited too?
My cousin loves my Verizon Galaxy Nexus and she wants to get one too, but Verizon doesn't have unlimited data anymore.
Has anyone tried adding someone to their family plan to get unlimited data?
She currently has the iphone 4s from AT&T and it's slow as hell and the screen is tiny!
Not possible. Adding someone now means they have to be added under the Share Everything plans. They're not giving unlimited to any new lines or after upgrades.
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Not possible. Adding someone now means they have to be added under the Share Everything plans. They're not giving unlimited to any new lines or after upgrades.
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no. you have the choice, you can do either the share everything OR give them a tiered plan and everything else on the plan stays the same.
unlimited is not possible either way however.
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no. you have the choice, you can do either the share everything OR give them a tiered plan and everything else on the plan stays the same.
unlimited is not possible either way however.
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You're right. I mentally group the Share Everything and standard tiered plans together, so my wording was incorrect.
Can't be done my wife was added at 2gb a month. Same price as my unlimited plan.
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I bet unlimited will come back in a year. T-mobile's 4G just beat my phone in subarban chicago and they are going unlimited/unthrotled. Time to show Verizon what we think of them. Me? I'm under contract until 2014 thanks to the GS3 and unlimited for 3 phones.
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I bet unlimited will come back in a year. T-mobile's 4G just beat my phone in subarban chicago and they are going unlimited/unthrotled. Time to show Verizon what we think of them. Me? I'm under contract until 2014 thanks to the GS3 and unlimited for 3 phones.
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Verizon and AT&T are not feeling threatened by T-Mobile and Sprint unlimited data. Postpaid subscribers are at an all time high and churn is at an all time low for both companies. As much as you think it's going to affect the market, it's going to take a lot more than T-Mobile offering unlimited data for Verizon and AT&T to start seeing customers leave.
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I bet unlimited will come back in a year. T-mobile's 4G just beat my phone in subarban chicago and they are going unlimited/unthrotled. Time to show Verizon what we think of them. Me? I'm under contract until 2014 thanks to the GS3 and unlimited for 3 phones.
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Unless carriers like Sprint and TMo somehow manage to expand their network immensely then VZW and AT&T will not feel threatened. At that point Sprint and TMo would eventually moved to tiered plans as well since more people would move over eventually.
I'll leave Verizon after my contract if I can't get a nexus on Verizon in 2014. In a perfect world I could buy an unlocked nexus from Google and use it on vzw. Maybe in 2014 they'll offer this.
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I bet unlimited will come back in a year. T-mobile's 4G just beat my phone in subarban chicago and they are going unlimited/unthrotled. Time to show Verizon what we think of them.
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I like your optimism, but don't hold your breath. Verizon and at&t have no incentive to offer unlimited plans. More people are getting smartphones, which means more network traffic, which means investing more money into infrastructure and less profit.
we were talking today about this at work. I am on a plan with my brother who has Unlimited data with Verizon and I have a 2GB plan till DEC 2014. My co worker says he still has unlimited data and he recently added his wife to his plan. She did not upgrade a phone and just got on his plan. He said they added her, she got a new number and was using a phone that wasn't brand new now. I am wondering when my plan comes up in DEC if I can do the same with my brother and he can add a line and give me unlimited data. Any thoughts out there??
As the title states, is there a way to enable the Galaxy S8's native wifi hotspot in order to avoid paying the Verizon's subscription? I've searched with unsuccessful results. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
What subscription are you talking about, I have Verizon and it's included with the plan, it just uses the data allowance.
You must be an old guy and still grandfathered into a true unlimited data plan.
I pay for mine in order to keep me from being kicked off of the network. You can also run the unlocked firmware I don't think it checks for subscription. I've been using the firmware for awhile.
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You must be an old guy and still grandfathered into a true unlimited data plan.
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I'm not too old haha...I'm 31. Yes I do still have the grandfathered plan. I always chose to by phones out right and keep them for a while. Upgrading every year with the "latest and greatest" just isn't that serious. I must assume the answer is no. Seems like the Galaxy mod/hack community has died down with these Samsung phones becoming more like the iPhone with every new release smh.
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I'm not too old haha...I'm 31. Yes I do still have the grandfathered plan. I always chose to by phones out right and keep them for a while. Upgrading every year with the "latest and greatest" just isn't that serious. I must assume the answer is no. Seems like the Galaxy mod/hack community has died down with these Samsung phones becoming more like the iPhone with every new release smh.
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You can flash to the U1 firmware to use the native hotspot without a subscription check.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS8/comments/6dtr4f/bloat_free_flash_for_snapdragon_s8_available/
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You can flash to the U1 firmware to use the native hotspot without a subscription check.
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Thank you. I will probably end up waiting for the Galaxy S9+ (my original plan). My lady recently purchased the S8+ and she rubs it in my face that I still have the S4 lol.