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So criticism of our mod-overlords will not be tolerated?

This is in reference to the NilsP/Joelz petition threads that were closed by willverduzco, and the resulting lashing that he posted here. While there were a VERY small minority of posts that might have crossed a line of respect, an overwhelming number of the posts in there were simply people showing support for the developers that deserve that recognition.
I find it disturbing that the moderation team can't seem to take some criticism here. This is a community, and if the mod/admin team can't at least listen to the members of that community without mocking them or belittling them as was done in this thread, then this place is truly lost. Which is sad because it was (and in a lot of regards still is) a great place for android users/devs to get together.
I'm sure this thread will too be locked, and I'll take my whipping of the cat-o-nine-tails for daring to challenge the overlords, but this is really a sad state of affairs.

"iron fist" lol.
yeah, i'm sure this will be locked too.

badogg said:
This is in reference to the NilsP/Joelz petition threads that were closed by willverduzco, and the resulting lashing that he posted here. While there were a VERY small minority of posts that might have crossed a line of respect, an overwhelming number of the posts in there were simply people showing support for the developers that deserve that recognition.
I find it disturbing that the moderation team can't seem to take some criticism here. This is a community, and if the mod/admin team can't at least listen to the members of that community without mocking them or belittling them as was done in this thread, then this place is truly lost. Which is sad because it was (and in a lot of regards still is) a great place for android users/devs to get together.
I'm sure this thread will too be locked, and I'll take my whipping of the cat-o-nine-tails for daring to challenge the overlords, but this is really a sad state of affairs.
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i understand you are upset that nilsp did not get his badge for "reconized developer" and im not trying to say he does not deserve it (because is one of the great devs still on here).
but the way you decided to handle it was not good. posting it in the development thread to get it seen more is not the way to go. if you feel like he deserves the badge, then voice your opinion by pming Developer Committee please dont try to start a war on here. it will only end badly. we are already have enough wrong posting going on by people mistaking this as an INC 2 thread. please dont add to it.
if you dont like the rules then go to a different site. there are some of us on here that still want to keep order and help others and not make this a flame site.
*i am ready to be flamed now*

Dudes he gave us a proper way to appeal, which I personally didn't know about. Its not as epic as "challenging overlords", they just want us to follow the rules.
This "iron fist" thing has been talked about for weeks. There was a huge article on it in the portal about the sense of entitlement, people thinking for some reason that donations = labor contracts, the devs being frustrated by users *****ing, among other things. The easiest way for them to circumvent it is to have a zero tolerance policy, so they're not exactly gonna be nice about a whole lot right now. My advice to yall is to just let it go and be cool.
They run this place, we don't, period. Lets just enjoy what it does for our gadgets guys... They obviously are going through a rough time, the least we can do is make it easy on them.

Everyone needs to remember this is only a website... mods I respect you but seriously IT'S A WEBSITE... I'm 20 and have more sense than most people on here this is all childlike and uncalled for... this is a community not a hierarchy...
sent from my phone using ALL CAPS RAGE

Well the MODERATORS need to quit treating us like a bunch of whiney little babies and let us support our last few devs. I reopened my thread guys. Go blow it up!

wildstang83 said:
Well the MODERATORS need to quit treating us like a bunch of whiney little babies and let us support our last few devs. I reopened my thread guys. Go blow it up!
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I wasn't all bent until I read their responses. That is where I had a problem. The way that they dealt with this was disconcerting. All we wanted to do was to show some support for a couple of peeps, and if we did it wrong then educate us without being jerks about it.

Your thread is gone.
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lol stang, i think they deleted your thread.
it's the "i'm taking my ball and going home!" mentality all over again here at XDA.

wildstang83 said:
Well the MODERATORS need to quit treating us like a bunch of whiney little babies and let us support our last few devs. I reopened my thread guys. Go blow it up!
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3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
JUST INCASE YOU DIDNT READ THE RULES.

How dare you abuse the authority they gave you. Lol
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synisterwolf said:
3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
JUST INCASE YOU DIDNT READ THE RULES.
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Hey thanks for the rules quote. I know what they are and always have followed them though and so now we get treated like this. Last I checked I live in America and have faught in three wars for America and now yall wanna tell me I can't show my full support for our last few Devs. And to think I wanted to try to talk them into staying on this site. Lol well thats out of the question now aint it?
Yall can catch me on TheMikMik or Team Reverse

synisterwolf said:
3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
JUST INCASE YOU DIDNT READ THE RULES.
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*READS RULES*
Ok, so that makes sense for the one that was in the development forum, but what about the petition thread? I don't see anywhere in those rules that say that we aren't allowed to show support for another member/dev or question the decisions of the mods.
Sure there was probably a couple of members that might have pushed it a little far, but I don't think any of it was really over the line (but admittedly I didn't read every single post and I'm not going to) - just voicing displeasure about it, and showing support.

synisterwolf said:
3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
JUST INCASE YOU DIDNT READ THE RULES.
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But making jokes and clowning is acceptable, as long as you're a mod, right? Go read the thread. They were laughing and clowning at the first 2 guys that posted about this. Then I called them out on it and all of a sudden they're serious about it. Then i get this comment from some idiot...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276306&page=239
WHERE'S THE IRON FIST AT? I'll take my ban as long as this dude does too...
Zeus... God of Awesome!

wildstang83 said:
Hey thanks for the rules quote. I know what they are and always have followed them though and so now we get treated like this. Last I checked I live in America and have faught in three wars for America and now yall wanna tell me I can't show my full support for our last few Devs. And to think I wanted to try to talk them into staying on this site. Lol well thats out of the question now aint it?
Yall can catch me on TheMikMik or Team Reverse
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im all for keeping the devs here, but posting a flame thread is not the way. (im also not stopping you from voicing you opinion if you do it the correct way.) it just adds fuel to the fire. that's something we don't need.
"If they disagree with a moderator's actions, users CAN complain (not in the forums, only via Private Message). We are putting systems in place to ensure that mods ask for advice from the team in complex situations. Senior mods and administrators will do everything we can to ensure that moderators wield their power for good, not evil. Fair but firm. Firm but fair. It's a balance we strive for daily, and this is a responsibility we all take seriously."
if you feel that he was wronged the do the right thing by pming the mods or the committee. then threatening the mods after you thread was closed is still not the way to get your voice out.
(thank you by the way for serving our country.)

cvbcbcmv said:
As a moderator of another forum. I have some experience with this stuff. It doesn't have nearly 4,000,000 members, but it has almost 30,000, it's a big chunk. About 6 moderators to handle it, and really only 2 keep up with it (me being one of them), the others log on about once a month. First of all, I don't like closing threads, it's just ruining freedom of speech, which is kind of the whole point of a forum, if I have to I'll edit every single post, but I like to let people speak their mind. I also never mention anything somebody did, even if a name isn't mentioned, anything someone in particular did. In the mods post he said about the member who is threatening to leave, well, I'll admit it, that was me, and anyone could have found that out. BTW, I'm not the first one to do that. I would never do that to one of my members. I hope this doesn't get edited or removed. I'm not whining, I'm just saying my opinion. Nothing wrong, nothing bad. Just saying it. Also, I never come back at my members in a mean or insulting way unless they come at me on a personal level. Not a moderating job level, but an actual personal level. I think it's wrong to go to your members and tell them they are just whiny little crybabies who need to grow up.
Sincerely,
cvbcbcmv
P.S I'm not complaining, I wouldn't fill out a formal complaint, that's not my point of this post. I just want to state my opinion.
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Bravo man. There was a lot of intolerance all around this issue, but I think the moderating really went down the toilet on it.

cvbcbcmv said:
As a moderator of another forum. I have some experience with this stuff. It doesn't have nearly 4,000,000 members, but it has almost 30,000, it's a big chunk. About 6 moderators to handle it, and really only 2 keep up with it (me being one of them), the others log on about once a month. First of all, I don't like closing threads, it's just ruining freedom of speech, which is kind of the whole point of a forum, if I have to I'll edit every single post, but I like to let people speak their mind. I also never mention anything somebody did, even if a name isn't mentioned, anything someone in particular did. In the mods post he said about the member who is threatening to leave, well, I'll admit it, that was me, and anyone could have found that out. BTW, I'm not the first one to do that. I would never do that to one of my members. I hope this doesn't get edited or removed. I'm not whining, I'm just saying my opinion. Nothing wrong, nothing bad. Just saying it. Also, I never come back at my members in a mean or insulting way unless they come at me on a personal level. Not a moderating job level, but an actual personal level. I think it's wrong to go to your members and tell them they are just whiny little crybabies who need to grow up.
Sincerely,
cvbcbcmv
P.S I'm not complaining, I wouldn't fill out a formal complaint, that's not my point of this post. I just want to state my opinion.
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This is how I moderate too, otherwise things like what's happened here repeat.....and that's bad
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I can see both sides of the argument. Nils is a great dev and should be recognized as a dev. The mods have a site to run andm unfortunatly, there are quite a few immature people that visit these forums and flame away, are disrespectful, and flat out rude. I would like to think that the mods realize that not giving him his dev title after all he has done for the community, was a mistake. I dont know if the will acknowledge that, but it is a mistake. On the other hand, and I have even been guilty at times, there is way too much flaming, rudeness, people demanding of devs, and moronic behavior all over this site, it has become really pathetic. If the mods actual felt that they needed to bring down the hammer, they should have started a long time ago and not let it get as bad as it is. I appreciate this site, but I am also thankful that there are other places I can get quality roms for my phone. Xda just isnt what it used to be when I joined several years ago.

cvbcbcmv said:
yeah, and anything like this has never happened on the forum I moderate, nothing get's passed a disagreement on a statement, and it doesn't come close to a flame war. It's friendly. That's how 2 moderators handle it. The people don't go flaming
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Yeah, and for a mod to put this text when moving a thread is not going to help:
"Moved: I'm incapable of posting or filing an appeal properly, so my thread was moved."
Members are going to cross the line, and honestly act childish at times - sure. But the moderation team shouldn't address that with even more childish behavior.

wildstang83 said:
Hey thanks for the rules quote. I know what they are and always have followed them though and so now we get treated like this. Last I checked I live in America and have faught in three wars for America and now yall wanna tell me I can't show my full support for our last few Devs. And to think I wanted to try to talk them into staying on this site. Lol well thats out of the question now aint it?
Yall can catch me on TheMikMik or Team Reverse
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First off as a fellow veteran I thank you for your service. However from what I've read about this site it was started in Europe so our American sense of 2nd amendment rites is kind of a mute point. This was and is a site created by devs for devs, us users are just here for the ride without much say in the matter as it isn't a democracy.
This fued some have going with Hacre I think is pointeless. To tell you the truth I think he is some type of enforcer on here. From what I can tell from googling him he's been asked before by mods to respond to posts in the exact same manner he is now. Hasn't anyone noticed not one mod in that main section is from America nor has said anything about Hacre's posts?
I think all the drama here is getting out of hand and its teime to just let it go. Yes I think they should have left the petition threads alone, but the op of the Nils thread asked for it to be locked. Yours I think was a mistake but you pissed someone off by reopening it on your own, maybe should have asked first? In my opinion this has done more harm than good to both Joel and Nils but I guess it wouldn't be xda if it didn't get all blown out of portion in a hurry and quickly go to ****.

Open Letter to XDA Regarding strongsteve [2]

Quit censoring the forums. You are a "moderator" not a "censor".
Closing the thread when it was a discussion about developers and moderators on XDA in the "General" section is not right. Just because you as a moderator are tired of reading all the good points about you and your heavy-handed tactics doesn't give you the right to "censor" the forums. You are a "moderator", not a "censor".
When you start censoring posts/threads that you don't agree with, you have gone way beyond your "moderator" duties and are now infringing on any user's rights to speak freely.
-Daryel

Agree, i was just thinking that. Who is the forum experience mod?

wow and I was about to write up a thread calling Jerdog out for exactly as you said, he gives his excuse then closes the thread while it is clearly open and still booming. like "haha I get the last word..."
I agree with you.

IB4L.
Always wanted to do that
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anyways, so StrongSteve puts something together from many parts, but that is not allowed. We must do it ourselves. Should of just put a guide out there steve
Jerdog, you can call the work StrongSteve whatever you want but when it involves work that most of us could not do ourselves no matter what section he puts it in, I call that development.
If rules that are set up does not call that or allow it as development in the development section, then it is the rules that need changed. As much as the work is appreciated, not many people will go through a 20 page guideline on how to do what he did in the theme section.

ok guys.. I really have to call Jerdog out on this..
He keeps referring to dexopt-wrapper as a "script"
It is a binary or a "tool"
How does such bonified ignorance become a "recognized developer"
??
Thanks again.

Im on jerdogs side on this one
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I'm on Strongsteve's side. We've heard both stories in the previous thread as it wasn't censored, but locked. This thread was made for the sole purpose of flaming Jerdog. It's just not right.
Hopefully, as Jerdog stated, this gets worked out through private discussion between them.

I posted the original Open Letter. This is first chance I have had to look things over since this morning. Not surprised the thread was moved. I'm appalled it was closed. I just sent jerdog a PM asking for an explanation. We'll see what happens.
I cannot for the life of me understand the logic (or lack thereof) behind killing off this ROM, theme, project, discussion.

strongsteve, are you going to put your work up anywhere else. if so, can you let us know.
I am using your ROM and it is best one out there . Much appreciated no matter what the mods say. Thanks

Overstew said:
I'm on Strongsteve's side. We've heard both stories in the previous thread as it wasn't censored, but locked. This thread was made for the sole purpose of flaming Jerdog. It's just not right.
Hopefully, as Jerdog stated, this gets worked out through private discussion between them.
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maybe, but I think trying to keep the previous thread going was more the reason. If the other thread was not locked, discussion would continue there. And IMO writing a book sized defense reply (as Jerdog did) then immediately locking it so details of what he said could not be discussed is censorship. I mean look, someone opens a new thread and you claim it something other than genuine continuation of the first thread, so in effect Jerdog altered the degree of trust and dialogue hence censorship.
Nothing against you as I do understand what you said, just making a point

i would suggest PM'ing the forum admin or the forum experience mod to communicate any issues.

I think locking a thread to prevent further discussion is what peeves people off.
The discussion was a fairly civil discussion of what constitutes a "Themed ROM" and a "Developer ROM". By the definition put forth ALL roms that are in the Development section are "Themed ROMs". Even ptfdmedic pointed out that his ROM by the definition is a "Themed ROM".
This thread is probably going to be locked/closed/moved anyways. If anyone wants to complain to XDA about jerdog, they're welcome to PM the "User Experience Admin" svetius. His profile is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2235607
Sprint just offered me today (after 100's of phone calls) to replace my Epic Touch with a different phone because of LOS issues, hopefully whichever phone I decide on will have a healthy dev environment like the Epic Touch has been.
-Daryel

agreed, it appears that any discussion regardless of temperament is not permitted. I would also submit that if I were Strongsteve, i wouldn't exactly be in a PM/discussion/compromise type of mindset either. It appears that there is a total lack of comprehension from the MOD
daryelv said:
I think locking a thread to prevent further discussion is what peeves people off.
The discussion was a fairly civil discussion of what constitutes a "Themed ROM" and a "Developer ROM". By the definition put forth ALL roms that are in the Development section are "Themed ROMs". Even ptfdmedic pointed out that his ROM by the definition is a "Themed ROM".
This thread is probably going to be locked/closed/moved anyways. If anyone wants to complain to XDA about jerdog, they're welcome to PM the "User Experience Admin" svetius. His profile is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2235607
Sprint just offered me today (after 100's of phone calls) to replace my Epic Touch with a different phone because of LOS issues, hopefully whichever phone I decide on will have a healthy dev environment like the Epic Touch has been.
-Daryel
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Rootzwiki is where it is..... They appreciate the devs that its why they give devs phones....xda used to be like that they are all about the money .... Sad that its come to this ....
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xlGmanlx said:
agreed, it appears that any discussion regardless of temperament is not permitted. I would also submit that if I were Strongsteve, i wouldn't exactly be in a PM/discussion/compromise type of mindset either. It appears that there is a total lack of comprehension from the MOD
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Precisely

I would think that we would be encouraging development for this phone and not splitting hairs on it, no matter who is right and who is wrong. I mean he (jerdog) just couldn't just leave it alone? Really? Come on.

i don't fault XDA making money and trying to keep the lights on. Especially when XDA the business is not always aligned with XDA the forums, however clearly this instance clearly is not a conflict of the two. What i don't really agree with is the decision of ONE mod in this forum.
Epix4G said:
Rootzwiki is where it is..... They appreciate the devs that its why they give devs phones....xda used to be like that they are all about the money .... Sad that its come to this ....
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with that said, if i have to go to Rootzwiki to get Steve's ROM's then thats what i will do

The only way!!!
Either stop coming to this site...aka boycott; Or get other devs to stop supporting this site. Either will result in revenue loss for XDA and make them think about what they are doing.
That's all you can do, once the advertisers pull out, they lose money that I am sure they don't share with developers who are the sole reason we com here in the first place.
Start hitting up all the devs and see if they will move thier work elsewhere, then we go there and XDA will have to acknowledge or fail.

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I would think that we would be encouraging development for this phone and not splitting hairs on it, no matter who is right and who is wrong. I mean he (jerdog) just couldn't just leave it alone? Really? Come on.
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I wrote the experience mod and said the exact same thing.

Well said by hilaireg

With the unbelievable happenings in the development threads for our device sometimees, it's nice to see some serious words of wisdom. The closing words of hilaireg should ring true throughout the forum, and it shouldn't even be difficult. He said this in the now closed darchstar CM9 dev thread.
hilaireg said:
There seems to be a significant amount of animosity that permeates throughout the Android related forums. I'm not certain as to why this is, nor do I want to hear any reason for justification; what I do know is that it is unacceptable.
As moderators, we spend more time cleaning up flame & troll posts than working on our own community contributions. Unfounded accusations such as KANG'ing serve to drive away those valued members who try to contribute to XDA ... further lowering the quality of threads and posts on this forum.
XDA is about bringing together folks who have similar passions about mobile technology. I would have expected more maturity and professionalism. Instead, I find a thread full of inflammatory posts ... it is not constructive and serves no purpose.
While the Forum Moderator(s) take time from their busy schedule to effect cleanup and "damage control"; further detracting of this thread once it is re-opened will result in permanent holidays for those involved, rest assured that appeals will be non-negotiable. I would encourage members who have posted in this thread to reacquaint themselves with the forum rules - the best moderation is self-moderation.
Forum rules, please read!
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Edit: Thanks jerdog for fixing my post up a bit, I did this from my phone and was impressed to see it formatted nicely when I checked it on my PC hah.
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Absolutely correct. It's unacceptable and ruins it for others...
Sent from my iPhone killer.

Big shoutout to the mods who clean this crap up.
If anyone needs any help with the epic touch hit me up on Gtalk @musclehead84

The endless chit chatter and finger pointing should never go in a dev thread. this is why I love the discussion threads so the helpful threads don't get shut down because of some script kitty wants to tell a real dev what he/she has done "wrong"...

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The endless chit chatter and finger pointing should never go in a dev thread. this is why I love the discussion threads so the helpful threads don't get shut down because of some script kitty wants to tell a real dev what he/she has done "wrong"...
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This really is the heart of the issue. It's great that people want to say thanks or contribute what they can in dev threads, that's what the community is about. But then for whatever reason people just can't keep their mouth shut in regards to other things. Personal matters or accusations should be in PMs or discussed with moderators if you have definitive evidence of KANGing or stealing of code and such.
The anonymity of the internet always has and always will cause issues like this.

Wow that sucks people are rediculous how could we who are here for the same reasons have such different senses of entitlement and ruin something someone worked hard in the extra time of there life to bring us?! Dang sorry and thanks devs and mods for all you do.
Any help I can lend hit [email protected]

Agreed. We definitely have seen a ton of changes since just a couple years ago. Call it maturity level or just angry at the world haters but they definitely need to read the rules and adhere to them. This is a place to come together and help each other out. An environment where we can get away from our professional life,life away from xda, to play and get our geek on. To show why Android kicks iPhone butt not only because of how the device was developed but how these killer devs make it better. I stick with Android devices because of this forum. Not to read pages upon pages of drama. I admit I have no dev skills. I would also like to thank devs for their work and thick skin. Brush the haters off and know civilized appreciative people are out there. Without you all I would be using an iPhone lol..well maybe
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Since the onslaught of Android devices the last few years, we've brought in a much younger crowd in these forums. It used to be geared more towards Windows Mobile, which had more of an "older" following. The moderators just have to face the fact that a lot of members here have yet to actually "grow" up and face the real world. As such, you're going to have bickering and fighting, just like kids in real life.

Excerpt from 'Sh*t my dad says' on Facebook
I apologize for the length, but it is relevant. and hilarious.
The dad talks first.>>
"Doesn't it bother you that people can go on the internet and call you a talentless piece of sh*t, and never have to say it to your face?," he continued.
"I don't know. Doesn't really bother me. I got my break writing down things you say. I think just karmically speaking I deserve to hear that on occassion," I said.
"I'm not talking about you. I'm speaking f**king globally. If you can't handle some pissant writing something nasty about you, then I failed as a father. What I'm trying to say is, don't it trouble you that there's a whole generation of people growing up that just say whatever the f**k they want, without any consequences?"
"I don't know, that's just the internet," I said.
"Don't you get what that means, though?"
"Not really," I replied.
"Jesus H. You're a bright kid but you sure like to wear an a**hole's costume every once in a while. It means that the future leaders of your country, I say your 'cause I'll have long decomposed, are gonna be people that have absolutely no experience with actual confrontation. Thirty years from now the President of the most powerful country in the world is going to be some little sh*t who sat at his computer and hurled insults three feet away from his mommy's tit like it was no big deal. I don't condone fighting, but when a human being understands that his or her actions might result in a giant fist up his or her a**, he or she learns a thing or two about acting before they speak. All I'm saying is, I'm glad I'm going to be dead. Also, happy birthday. That's why I called."

Zero Tolerance (IN EFFECT)

Consider this the beginning of the end.
TROLLS/FLAMERS/FANBOYS
As of this moment Zero Tolerance is in effect. What does that mean for you?
It means...
1. Trolls - you are not wanted/needed
2. Flamers - you will not be tolerated
3. Fan boys - I'm glad you are a fan of a certain developer. That gives you no right to bash/flame/troll anyone
You will be infracted quickly and without warning. Do it again after that and you will be banned no questions asked.
A lot of the trolls/flamers/fanboys here think they are cool, just floating under the radar to avoid repercussions. Well, we have been watching you, and its ending.
So in short.
Consider this your final warning
I don't care who you are, this applies to everyone.
Thanks.
Edit from the Archangel: if you see problems arising, pm us mods or report it, we will jump on it ASAP. This won't work unless yall help us out to help the community.

I see no problems. I actually encourage this. Good luck :thumbup:

Papa Smurf151 said:
Consider this the beginning of the end.
TROLLS/FLAMERS/FANBOYS
As of this moment Zero Tolerance is in effect. What does that mean for you?
It means...
1. Trolls - you are not wanted/needed
2. Flamers - you will not be tolerated
3. Fan boys - I'm glad you are a fan of a certain developer. That gives you no right to bash/flame/troll anyone
You will be infracted quickly and without warning. Do it again after that and you will be banned no questions asked.
A lot of the trolls/flamers/fanboys here think they are cool, just floating under the radar to avoid repercussions. Well, we have been watching you, and its ending.
So in short.
Consider this your final warning
I don't care who you are, this applies to everyone.
Thanks.
Edit from the Archangel: if you see problems arising, pm us mods or report it, we will jump on it ASAP. This won't work unless yall help us out to help the community.
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Thanks for this sharp anti-flame blade! off with their heads!

very good idea, zero tolerance helps especially when wrong buttons are pushed. :good:

I'm in for the war against anti flaming
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Zomfg Y I NO HAZ FLAME!
no but seriously thanks
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this includes the conduct of 'developers' also, correct ?

It goes both ways, some of the developers are just as bad and one of them is out of control. Not going to say who but I'm sure we all can figure it out. We are all here to learn, and have fun messing with our phones. It shouldn't be so much drama with one another. I do appreciate all the developers but they also need to follow the no drama rules. If someone has an issue take it to a pm or just go straight to a moderator to handle it.
Also if someone can't read and posts something in the wrong area, instead of ripping him a new one just ignore it. Then report it to a mod and have him deal with it, that would keep all the drama down to a minimum.
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Ok..so what is the exact definition of a troll? I know Apple is a patent troll but what would a forum troll be? I'm getting to old for this internet language.
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This goes for everyone...but in a thread the originator especially in a dev thread has control of how much offtopic chat and if the have a general and/or q&a thread for their rom they hsve control of questions being redirected to the appropriate thread. That being said trolling and flaming will not be tolerated. We are all expected to act civilized and like adults. The childish back and forth is over. And please don't call others out in public. Report the issue and we will deal with them directly. Calling them out in public will gey u infracted.
A troll is someone who is pretty much causing issues witj othet users on the forum or just derailing the thread non stop. They r obvious to spot...they r usually sitting around trying to poke a sleeping bear with a stick lol
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FINALLY!! layeth the smacketh down!

Papa Smurf151 said:
This goes for everyone...but in a thread the originator especially in a dev thread has control of how much offtopic chat and if the have a general and/or q&a thread for their rom they hsve control of questions being redirected to the appropriate thread. That being said trolling and flaming will not be tolerated. We are all expected to act civilized and like adults. The childish back and forth is over. And please don't call others out in public. Report the issue and we will deal with them directly. Calling them out in public will gey u infracted.
A troll is someone who is pretty much causing issues witj othet users on the forum or just derailing the thread non stop. They r obvious to spot...they r usually sitting around trying to poke a sleeping bear with a stick lol
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Well geez...let me give you a list! Lol
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wavrunrx said:
this includes the conduct of 'developers' also, correct ?
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"Developers" are treated the same as "users".

task650 said:
"Developers" are treated the same as "users".
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Sounds like you guys roll with the developers because the ones I've "met" have been great
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Understanding Fail....
I actually thought this was some mod.
Reading and understanding failure...
Btw i think this forum is pretty clean, comparing to youtube comments.
Still glad some moderator are there for look out

Now THIS is a great thread! I'm "born again" to this community ( had an iPhone and came back) and yesterday I was made out to look like a douche by two guys for no reason and although I bring nothing spectacular to this community, I almost left this forum due to childish attitudes. Threads like this are the reason why I stay and bought another Android phone.
Thanks mod.
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Also, this should be sticky'd.

JediNinjafication said:
Ok..so what is the exact definition of a troll? I know Apple is a patent troll but what would a forum troll be? I'm getting to old for this internet language.
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Wikipedia definitions, which I think nail it:
Troll - Someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Flaming - Hostile and insulting interaction between Internet users, often involving the use of profanity.

boostnek9 said:
Now THIS is a great thread! I'm "born again" to this community ( had an iPhone and came back) and yesterday I was made out to look like a douche by two guys for no reason and although I bring nothing spectacular to this community, I almost left this forum due to childish attitudes. Threads like this are the reason why I stay and bought another Android phone.
Thanks mod.
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Also, this should be sticky'd.
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i feel you on that one. I've been lurking h here for a couple years but only started posting recently. Had done dude totally make snide and rude comments and when i said thanks but would seek help elsewhere he then started pm-ing me talking trash. Basically said I need to sit in corner and not participate.
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I'm going to lay this down now. I swear to android, if I see one freaking post bout underwear ANYWHERE,but tasks thread, your getting tossed out for a vacation ASAP by me.One more thing, keep the dam tags useful no more useless crap, that's also staring to tick me off.
I am dead serious on this!!!

Speaking of kang

Recently, a few compilers with big mouths have been throwing accusations of KANG without knowing what it is about.
LOL.

I may not be a dev, but going by ur some recent posts no one has got bigger mouth than u, promoting yourself as greatest developer, U went to such extent that you started a thread that too in developers section. Shame on you. U are a good developer but learn to be modest.

sanjib734 said:
I may not be a dev, but going by ur some recent posts no one has got bigger mouth than u, promoting yourself as greatest developer, U went to such extent that you started a thread that too in developers section. Shame on you. U are a good developer but learn to be modest.
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Unlike a few others, I have never called anyone a fake developer and I have never promoted myself. I had never called anyone a 'kanger' until today. There are quite a few people here, who can't handle the truth. So, barking at the wrong tree (me) is no way to handle it.

Is this really necessary?
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Extremely unnecessary topic.
Congrats

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Unlike a few others, I have never called anyone a fake developer and I have never promoted myself. I had never called anyone a 'kanger' until today. There are quite a few people here, who can't handle the truth. So, barking at the wrong tree (me) is no way to handle it.
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I am only against opening a thread about these things in development section. You all are mature people and should have dealt the issue in more mature ways . Now please ask any mod to remove the thread .

First as an RC, you should know the Rules, since you are citing them, This does not belong in the Development Section.
Secondly, if you have an issue with ROM's and or work, report it and allow the Staff to address, with your provided Proof.
Not becoming of an RC, to post in this manner....do not post in this manner, use the resources on XDA to make your point and or show any Rule Violations.
Thread Closed, and consider this your Warning on posting in this manner, and creating such Threads, especially in the Develpment Section.
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Recently, a few compilers with big mouths have been throwing accusations of KANG without knowing what it is about.
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LOL.
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