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"PROBLEM" with Bing's new voice turn gps navigation

i downloaded this app and it's pretty good...damn good in fact...the voice recognition is great and the directions are pretty accurate...
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does anyone know how to make the map follow the car, where the arrow is always facing up...??? it kind of confusing if im driving in a certain direction and look at the map, only to see the arrow facing the opposite direction...
that may not be the best description in the world but i gave it a shot...lol

da9th_one said:
i downloaded this app and it's pretty good...damn good in fact...the voice recognition is great and the directions are pretty accurate...
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does anyone know how to make the map follow the car, where the arrow is always facing up...??? it kind of confusing if im driving in a certain direction and look at the map, only to see the arrow facing the opposite direction...
that may not be the best description in the world but i gave it a shot...lol
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You mean you want it so that the direction you are driving is always facing up. As it is on the map when you drive the map stays with north always facing "up" So when you are driving south it shows you driving down on the map etc etc.
I looked I couldnt see a way to change that so the driving direction faced "up"

yeah, that's it exactly...it seems like a fairly obvious feature to have...lol...it is a small issue and the app is pretty good other than that...

I kind of doubt that they have the feature where screen will rotate with your direction, because that puts a huge load on cpu and graphics.
I agree about the nav. It's a great app, and the text-to-speech for the voice is even more accurate than my TomTom Go! I've been testing out both the Google Map and the Bing apps for navigation; the voice nav makes a huge difference! While they're no match for a dedicated GPS nav like TomTom or Garmin, it's an incredible amount of functionality that'll let you get around in an area you're not famililar with.
One quirk that I've found: If I bring a music player or the SPB shell into the foreground, then the Bing loses it's link to the internal GPS; it has to restore the link when it is brought to the foreground again. Not a huge problem.

GPS works well, except that it crashes sometimes.
When I plug the phone into my car's audio 3.5mm jack, the sounds quality is very poor. This might be a phone issue. Does anyone know how to get clear sound coming out of TP2?

outbackvandy said:
GPS works well, except that it crashes sometimes.
When I plug the phone into my car's audio 3.5mm jack, the sounds quality is very poor. This might be a phone issue. Does anyone know how to get clear sound coming out of TP2?
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Same issue.... I have it being played wireless via bluetooth A2DP.. The music that I have playing through the phone to the stereo sounds flawless as it usually does then when the voice directions play over that it's all crackly, like the phones too far away or theres interference MEANwhile... the music is still playing fine. It's odd.
I know with tomtom I just set the voice volume to be a little lower then the music cause it usually sounds like the voice is screaming if I leave it set on 100%. Obviously... there's no volume control for the voice nav in this. I'm sure that would fix the issue though.
I tried lowering the volum of the sound even on the phone as a whole and it still crackles when the voice goes to the stereo.... odd indeed.

it would be nice for the music play back to stop when the voice nav speaks through my speakers...when the music is off the voice speaks clearly...

Major BUG with GPS and audio playback possibility

I was using GPS navigation on google nav and playing music through the HTC media player and GPS signal wouldnt stick if i was moving, only if i was standing still. Something is preventing this multitasking. I need someone to test if it is just me or my ROM or these specific apps. I am running fresh .2 ROM btw.
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GPS breaks when playing music through the external speaker. The signal will be lost, or really spotty until you stop playing music. HTC has not commented on the issue. Does anyone know why this is happening? Is it possible to fix?

yep i am using stock unrooted evo and i get same problem i was playinf music thru stock player and go to google nav and it wont find gps signal after pausing music it finds signal them i turn the music bak on and it looses signal

Haven't tried the stock music player, but I listen t
o podcast all the time while using the gps.

i think its a bug in the htc stock player i tried same thing with doubletwist player and get no issues
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i got lost signal on gps also with doubletwist now seems like a bug with google nav

Could you post your ROMs if rooted and also has anyone tried Sprint Nav? I will go and grab a sprint nav apk and test when I get a chance. This is very inconvenient and I am curious as to why it isnt working.

Uhhh, no problems here, playing mp3 from SD card using stock music player and got a GPS lock in a matter of seconds.
Latest radio
fresh .2
-Edit- Mine works sometimes but mostly doesn't, so yeah bug is present

anyone hear anything from htc about this, posted on their site and twitter and didnt hear anything, maybe i should call about this issue.

I don't use the stock music player app for anything but I experience this exact issue when trying to use pandora and the GPS. As soon as i shut pandora off it picks up signal again.

NEW FIND, any app, GPS and MUSIC through the speaker causes GPS signal to be lost. It works while using headphones but not the speaker.

Wow, is this a hardware or software issue?

You know, I actually forgot about this for a while, there has been no official word on this bug, and I havent heard anyone knowing why this happens.

I never even thought to try running my gps without music, I just thought it had a very crappy gps antenna or something. I have yet to try it without music to verify this as well, but tomorrow I probably will test it out.

Just a wild stab at the dark, but maybe the magnet in the external speaker interferes with the GPS antennae? Not too sure about that though....

Hmmm, would be interesting if the placement of the speaker and the GPS is the actual problem, I really hope not though. The problem doesn't occur when the GPS app uses the speaker or you get a notification playing on the speaker though, maybe the duration is short enough to not loose the signal? I emailed HTC about this issue, didn't have time to call them about it.

I can verify this, did a two hour trip last night and didn't lose the signal once with the music not playing.

Yes, it's because of the speakers
This is a funny problem. Something about the speakers is interfering with the GPS reception. It's not just that the speakers are on, but how loud it is. The louder the sound, the worse the reception.
I'm running the stock ROM. I used GPS Status and the stock music player. I played a song that is fairly constant in loudness, and noticed that as I turned up the volume, I would start loosing GPS satellites, and then as I turned the down the volume, I would get more GPS satellites.
Update: I tried the same test out on my Hero, and it definitely doesn't have the problem.

Ha, HTC already knows about it. And it doesn't look like they're gonna do anything about it, and this guys reply probably explains why my car charger takes forever to charge my phone.
Dear "My Name",
I understand that the GPS Signal will be lost is you use your device GPS with Music playing. As the device pulls more resources from the battery, the phone may become warm. The device has a built in sensor that registers the amount of heat the phone is generating and will shut down some features as the device heats up. Normally the Charging port will be turned off first, then the various radios will be disabled such as GPS, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. If you are experiencing an issue while using multiple features of the device at the same time, I recommend that you stop using one or more of the programs and see if the problem persists (As you have). I do apologize for any inconvenience that you may have experienced.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number "My Ticket Number".
Sincerely,
Jeffery
HTC
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Emrys_90 said:
Ha, HTC already knows about it. And it doesn't look like they're gonna do anything about it, and this guys reply probably explains why my car charger takes forever to charge my phone.
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If that's indeed the case, one can try underclocking to prevent the heat buildup.

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If that's indeed the case, one can try underclocking to prevent the heat buildup.
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Nope, HTC is just throwing something silly. What they describe may be true, but playing music doesn't instantly generate heat, nor does that heat instantly disipate once you turn down the volume, or plug in a headset.
As I tested above, you can slowly degrade your reception by turning the volume up slowly. This is clearly a different issue, and it is a reasonable inference that there is some sort of interference between the speaker and GPS.
Also, if HTC insists, you can prove them wrong by keeping the phone plugged in and showing that it is still charging the battery even when the GPS looses signal.

I experienced a series of reboots on my phone this weekend while driving and using the phone via a bluetooth headset. Simultaneously I was attempting to use Google navigation. I typically could connect to my caller and then would reboot within 10 seconds or so. This happened three times before I was able to figure out that the GPS connection was a culprit and temporally disabled GPS while using the phone.
Lamest part and this isn't the first time this has occurred! On the original firmware shipped from HTC I had a few identical crashes that I have only now realized were because of this combination of GPS+bluetooth.
Right now I'm running a simple OTA update + root using toast's method.

Pandora blocking GPS?

I was just wondering if anyone else has come across this issue or heard about it...
I am running CyanogenMod 2.2 Nightly (7-31-2010) with SnapV3 Kernel. I was just out driving while listening to Pandora through bluetooth. I happened to try out google navigation whilst doing this and I noticed that I couldn't get a GPS lock. The navigation app just kept saying that it was looking for GPS.
After some playing around I realized that if I turn off Pandora the navigation app works perfectly, but every time I turn on Pandora I either get the looking for GPS message or my position will not update.
Thanks for any input!

Intensentropy said:
I was just wondering if anyone else has come across this issue or heard about it...
I am running CyanogenMod 2.2 Nightly (7-31-2010) with SnapV3 Kernel. I was just out driving while listening to Pandora through bluetooth. I happened to try out google navigation whilst doing this and I noticed that I couldn't get a GPS lock. The navigation app just kept saying that it was looking for GPS.
After some playing around I realized that if I turn off Pandora the navigation app works perfectly, but every time I turn on Pandora I either get the looking for GPS message or my position will not update.
Thanks for any input!
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It's been known for a while that you can't listen to music (over speakerphone speaker using any app) and use GPS perhaps bluetooth suffers the same flaw?
If you download GPSTest then start it and open pandora, last.fm, local music player, etc and then hop into GPSTest really fast you'll see the phones unable to find GPS satellites.

Ok, I'll give that a try. Thanks for the info!

I've been working in other cities where I need the gps to get there and want to listen to pandora, so after I ran into this problem, I started keeping a nandroid of a 2.1 rom....

Intensentropy said:
I was just wondering if anyone else has come across this issue or heard about it...
I am running CyanogenMod 2.2 Nightly (7-31-2010) with SnapV3 Kernel. I was just out driving while listening to Pandora through bluetooth. I happened to try out google navigation whilst doing this and I noticed that I couldn't get a GPS lock. The navigation app just kept saying that it was looking for GPS.
After some playing around I realized that if I turn off Pandora the navigation app works perfectly, but every time I turn on Pandora I either get the looking for GPS message or my position will not update.
Thanks for any input!
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Just came back from jog and yours was the 1st post I came across, strange because this is EXACTLY what happened. Listening to pandora in the back ground Endomond gps tracker kept pausing, this is the 1st time that program has ever had an issue so there is conflict somewhere.

Well, I have played around with it a bit more and found that playing pandora through bluetooth does not cause a problem. I only run into the issue when using the phones speaker. I'm not sure about headphones though, I havn't tried that yet as I dont really have the need for them.
Of course there is still a problem with the navigation app turning off pandora every time it gives you audible directions. To stop this I just mute the navigation app and everything works well together.

I just run into a similar problem this morning
I'm running the leaked 2.2 build from last weekend.... before froyo, I could listen to pandora and use google nav all while plugged into my car stereo via aux jack.
now, when navigation gives a direction, it pauses pandora and you manually have to go back to it and press play
sooo annoying... anyone else run into this?

Order of Operations Counts, I think
I ran into this issue both with 2.1 and now 2.2 on my Evo. I'm not sure who the culprit is, but I've found that starting navigation, letting it acquire the GPS signal, and then launching Pandora works fine. If I do it the other way around my GPS signal basically dies.
Another interesting quirk I've noted is that if I start GPS first, but then Pandora.. my Nav voice will play through the speakerphone while Pandora plays through the headphone jack. If I start Pandora first, then Nav, they both play through the speakers.
I think what it may be is if Pandora starts/is caching while the phone is trying to startup GPS and acquire a position. I'll test it more during my drive home tonight. This has to be a software bug on side or the other. (Maybe it's google's ad software in Pandora trying to grab GPS for location specific advertising lol)

thefudd said:
I just run into a similar problem this morning
I'm running the leaked 2.2 build from last weekend.... before froyo, I could listen to pandora and use google nav all while plugged into my car stereo via aux jack.
now, when navigation gives a direction, it pauses pandora and you manually have to go back to it and press play
sooo annoying... anyone else run into this?
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I was directed here http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9569 yesterday when I brought up the same issue on a different thread. It's an issue with android itslef. Looks like it kicked in at the 1.47 ota, prior to that, the audio would go right back to playing pandora or whatever after nav told you to take a left.

Couple of g3 questions from someone wrestling with an s5..

Hi all.
I was wondering if you may be able to help with some advice regarding the G3.
Here's where I'm at.. I've been using a loan g3 for a week and I love it.. That screen just blows my mind. I've tried the Xperia Z2, the. htc M8.. Neither of them match or even come close.
What I am finding though is there is one issue that really irritates me. The lack of being able to call up the voice mate software using the headset. It is impossible. To give you an idea of where i was before.. I used an iPhone 5S and A Galaxy s5.. I used Siri all the time and find S Voice to be brilliant. I drive a lot and also walk around a lot listening to music and I hate walking worth my phone in my hands in London. Total muggers target.
With the S5, you just press the headset call button for a few seconds and it brings up S Voice which then allows me to play music without looking at the phone. I can't believe the same functionality has been left out of the g3. I've been through all the menus and tried saying the keywords to bring it up and it doesn't work. Am I totally missing something or has LG dropped the ball here?
The only thing I can find that is close is to press the unlock button while the phone is in my pocket to unlock the screen and then use the headset button which does bring up Voice mate. But it then doesn't do anything until I press the onscreen button to complete my command. If I press the headset button again, it doesn't do anything.
Similarly, the S5 features a car mode which just works. It audio connects to my Bluetooth stereo and then opens itself and plays tunes just by me saying Hi Galaxy. I can't seem to find anyway of achieving this with the g3. It's a big thing because having to unlock the phone then find the software key then swipe up to voice mate means I take my eyes off the road which really isn't ideal.
Can anybody help? It may sound like an insignificant thing but this is a big thing to me and means I'll have to plump for the s5 even though my heart tells me I really want the g3 more.
Oh and how do you guys find battery life? Is there a way of emulating the extreme power saving mode brought to us by the likes of the s5 and HTC One m8 rather than the pretty paltry built in battery save app?
Thanks in advance.
Phil

philliplavelle said:
Hi all.
I was wondering if you may be able to help with some advice regarding the G3.
Here's where I'm at.. I've been using a loan g3 for a week and I love it.. That screen just blows my mind. I've tried the Xperia Z2, the. htc M8.. Neither of them match or even come close.
What I am finding though is there is one issue that really irritates me. The lack of being able to call up the voice mate software using the headset. It is impossible. To give you an idea of where i was before.. I used an iPhone 5S and A Galaxy s5.. I used Siri all the time and find S Voice to be brilliant. I drive a lot and also walk around a lot listening to music and I hate walking worth my phone in my hands in London. Total muggers target.
With the S5, you just press the headset call button for a few seconds and it brings up S Voice which then allows me to play music without looking at the phone. I can't believe the same functionality has been left out of the g3. I've been through all the menus and tried saying the keywords to bring it up and it doesn't work. Am I totally missing something or has LG dropped the ball here?
The only thing I can find that is close is to press the unlock button while the phone is in my pocket to unlock the screen and then use the headset button which does bring up Voice mate. But it then doesn't do anything until I press the onscreen button to complete my command. If I press the headset button again, it doesn't do anything.
Similarly, the S5 features a car mode which just works. It audio connects to my Bluetooth stereo and then opens itself and plays tunes just by me saying Hi Galaxy. I can't seem to find anyway of achieving this with the g3. It's a big thing because having to unlock the phone then find the software key then swipe up to voice mate means I take my eyes off the road which really isn't ideal.
Can anybody help? It may sound like an insignificant thing but this is a big thing to me and means I'll have to plump for the s5 even though my heart tells me I really want the g3 more.
Oh and how do you guys find battery life? Is there a way of emulating the extreme power saving mode brought to us by the likes of the s5 and HTC One m8 rather than the pretty paltry built in battery save app?
Thanks in advance.
Phil
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You have to activate voice recognition on the lockscreen within voice mate settings and the app starts listening with the "LG Mobile" or "Hello Genie" hotword (whatever you've set from these two).
My battery life is pretty solid, around a day and a half with moderate (web, streamed music, some casual games,...) and through the whole day with heavy (web, music, high demand games,...) use.

LG's implementation of this is horrible on all of their phones; I have been trying to get this to work on my LG flex for 6 months and it just wont..

I might be confused but can't you just press the dedicated button on your earphones to start playing music? Why do you need to go through Voice Mate? Also, Google Now now supports voice commands for music playback as well. I believe that can be activated by long pressing the headset button.

I wanted to use voice mate to make calls, but, its absolutely worthless on the LG flex; it never recognizes a word you say..
Hope its better for you folks on the G3

Japultra said:
I might be confused but can't you just press the dedicated button on your earphones to start playing music? Why do you need to go through Voice Mate? Also, Google Now now supports voice commands for music playback as well. I believe that can be activated by long pressing the headset button.
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Hi Japultra,
This is the thing.
There are three buttons on the headset. The main one just stops and starts music. Long pressing it starts nothing. It just sits there. Long pressing the volume down button launches the camera, and the same with the up button launching the note taking software. These are no changeable.
They don't launch VoiceMate OR Google Now.
I like to talk to my phone and tell it to play particular songs, then to call someone, then maybe play a song by someone else. Rather than having to walk down the street with my phone in my hand like a mugger's target doing it all the old fashioned way.

philliplavelle said:
Hi Japultra,
This is the thing.
There are three buttons on the headset. The main one just stops and starts music. Long pressing it starts nothing. It just sits there. Long pressing the volume down button launches the camera, and the same with the up button launching the note taking software. These are no changeable.
They don't launch VoiceMate OR Google Now.
I like to talk to my phone and tell it to play particular songs, then to call someone, then maybe play a song by someone else. Rather than having to walk down the street with my phone in my hand like a mugger's target doing it all the old fashioned way.
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Is there no way to set Google Now to be the default on the long press of the button? Also, which parts of London are you walking through that's so dangerous? I live here and have never had an issue with my phone.

Japultra said:
Is there no way to set Google Now to be the default on the long press of the button? Also, which parts of London are you walking through that's so dangerous? I live here and have never had an issue with my phone.
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Not that I can figure out - but if you know a way, please share.
I walk through a lot of London. Granted, mostly between Knightsbridge where I work and Surrey - but that's not the point.. It just takes once for a phone to be snatched out of a hand and I switch between songs that often, it's so easy with S-Voice or Siri to just hit the cable. I can't believe the G3 has left this out. Seems potty.

philliplavelle said:
Not that I can figure out - but if you know a way, please share.
I walk through a lot of London. Granted, mostly between Knightsbridge where I work and Surrey - but that's not the point.. It just takes once for a phone to be snatched out of a hand and I switch between songs that often, it's so easy with S-Voice or Siri to just hit the cable. I can't believe the G3 has left this out. Seems potty.
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Have you tried activating Google Now? I'm pretty sure this is possible on all Android handsets - just gotta figure out how....

Japultra said:
Have you tried activating Google Now? I'm pretty sure this is possible on all Android handsets - just gotta figure out how....
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Yes, I have tried that. It makes no difference

[Q] Are people happy with the SW3 as a GPS watch?

Keep contemplating this to replace my TomTom Multisport. Really miss the motoactiv when it worked, and it would be nice to transfer a Playlist, pop on the bt headphones and go. Will I regret the purchase? I have some amazon points and a gift card I can get it for about $80 or so.

I use mine mainly as a GPS device to keep track of my tracks. Ghostrunner is great for mapping your runs. GPS is very quick and accurate in my opninion (owner for 3 weeks, bought it for the GPS)

Overall i'm happy, used it with Ghostracer, Strava & Runkeeper some of the apps can be flakey but other than that i love it.

Love it! Ghostracer / endomondo to track runs while listening to music with Google play music - works very very well.

Good to hear. I just want to transfer a playlist to the watch and be able to go... 128gb card on the phone so I can store quite a bit.
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Golf and running watch
Hi. I just bought the SW3 for running and golf. Was tired of lugging my phone along to listen to music. I tried Runkeeper but it stopped working a few times in the middle of a run. Have switched to Ghostracer and it has performed flawlessly. I put some music on the SW3 and it worked well with my Plantronics BT earbuds. I wasn't so happy yesterday on the golf course as the SW3 ran out of battery on the back 9. Could have been because I was using Golfshot and the SW3 was connected to my phone the whole time. I might try Hole 19 and put the SW3 into Airplane Mode. Still early days for me though. I rooted the SW3 yesterday and put on crpalmer's tetra kernel to see if that will help out with battery life.

Yes overall the GPS on this device has been great, especially with the Ghostracer app others mentioned. The only challenge comes in when the metal backplate gets really wet from a lot of sweat or if you get stuck running in a good rain. I had a 7 mile run in September that stopped logging at 4.1 miles when the drizzle coming down became a solid downpour. Ghostracer kept tracking time, but GPS coordinates gave up. It seems to be a known issue to many users.

Wifey has one and it's complete garbage. You have to start music and running app in a particular order, it takes forever to get a GPS fix and it invariably either loses GPS or freezes/crashes mid run. Sony don't even seem to have bothered to make a GPS tracking app, so users had to wait for the rest of the developers to catch up.

I normally take my phone with me when I walk or run so I can stream Pandora and, thus, use the phone's GPS. But a couple of days ago I decided to leave my phone behind and listen to the music I had downloaded to my watch. I had a big problem getting the music (Play Music) and tracking (Ghostracer) to stay on. I started with the Ghostracer and then turned on the Play Music, but the play music stopped the Ghostracer. Then I restarted the Ghostracer (which began recording as a new run), but this stopped the Play Music. I went back and forth a few times before I was able to get them both to stay on. It seems like everytime I left the Ghostracer display, it would stop the current run. Runkeeper (which I normally use when I am running with my phone) does not do this. For this reason, once I got them both to stay on, I left the display on the Ghostracer app.
Once I got them both to stay on, everything was fine, but this was almost a quarter of a mile into my run (which was supposed to be 5 miles). So I ended up going somewhat over 5 miles for my total run that day. I think the trick is to start the Play Music first, but I'm not sure. If anyone has any advice on this, please let us know.
As for the GPS, once I got Ghostracer to stay on, it worked flawlessly. It was at least as accurate as my phone's GPS is.
I should also point out that I was using Jabra Sport Pulse BTLE earbuds. I like it that the Ghostracer app displays both the average and current heartrate from the Jabra Sport Pulse on my watch along with the pace, distance, and time.
I don't like it that I can hear each step reverberate in the Jabra Sport Pulse earbuds as a heavy background BLOOMP, BLOOMP, BLOOMP... sound. The SMS BioSport earbuds that I use with Runkeeper when I run with my phone do not have this problem (and they don't have to be recharged).
So for now, I'll continue running with my phone, streaming Pandora thru the SMS BioSport earbuds, using the Runkeeper app on my watch to display the time, distance and pace, viewing the Pandora notifications on my watch for the artist and song title (and to control volume and skip tracks), and listening for the Runkeeper audio cues on my earbuds that give me my current and average heart rate (along with pace, distance, and time) every 5 minutes. This is not an ideal arrangement, but the best one available for now.

Strange about the Play music and Ghostracer interfering - I use both of those for each run and don't have any issues... Chrisinleedsuk - I do start Ghostracer about 2 minutes before running to get a good signal without the phone.
I have a pair of BT headphones but I usually use this BT adapter so I can use my nicer Dunu headphones:
http://www.myblueant.com/products/headphones/ribbon/
Cheers.
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I normally take my phone with me when I walk or run so I can stream Pandora and, thus, use the phone's GPS. But a couple of days ago I decided to leave my phone behind and listen to the music I had downloaded to my watch. I had a big problem getting the music (Play Music) and tracking (Ghostracer) to stay on. I started with the Ghostracer and then turned on the Play Music, but the play music stopped the Ghostracer. Then I restarted the Ghostracer (which began recording as a new run), but this stopped the Play Music. I went back and forth a few times before I was able to get them both to stay on. It seems like everytime I left the Ghostracer display, it would stop the current run. Runkeeper (which I normally use when I am running with my phone) does not do this. For this reason, once I got them both to stay on, I left the display on the Ghostracer app.
Once I got them both to stay on, everything was fine, but this was almost a quarter of a mile into my run (which was supposed to be 5 miles). So I ended up going somewhat over 5 miles for my total run that day. I think the trick is to start the Play Music first, but I'm not sure. If anyone has any advice on this, please let us know.
As for the GPS, once I got Ghostracer to stay on, it worked flawlessly. It was at least as accurate as my phone's GPS is.
I should also point out that I was using Jabra Sport Pulse BTLE earbuds. I like it that the Ghostracer app displays both the average and current heartrate from the Jabra Sport Pulse on my watch along with the pace, distance, and time.
I don't like it that I can hear each step reverberate in the Jabra Sport Pulse earbuds as a heavy background BLOOMP, BLOOMP, BLOOMP... sound. The SMS BioSport earbuds that I use with Runkeeper when I run with my phone do not have this problem (and they don't have to be recharged).
So for now, I'll continue running with my phone, streaming Pandora thru the SMS BioSport earbuds, using the Runkeeper app on my watch to display the time, distance and pace, viewing the Pandora notifications on my watch for the artist and song title (and to control volume and skip tracks), and listening for the Runkeeper audio cues on my earbuds that give me my current and average heart rate (along with pace, distance, and time) every 5 minutes. This is not an ideal arrangement, but the best one available for now.
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So I'm looking to snatch up a smartwatch on BF or maybe treat myself this xmas if nothing goes on sale. But I don't see the point of a smartwatch if it can't track my runs with an independent gps to save me from running with my note 5 ( no armband in the world can stop it from rubbing my underarm) . Looks like I have to choose between the urbane 2 and the Sony smartwatch 3? Also, does anyone know do I have to have a cellular plan to use the urbane 2's gps?
Just wanted to make sure these are the only two choices so I can make an informed decision.

I'm not seeing gps on the urbane 2.
http://www.lg.com/us/smart-watches/lg-W200-Opal-Blue-lg-watch-urbane-2nd-edition
ConnectivityLTE / 3G, Bluetooth® Version 4.1; Wi-Fi® Connectivity and Offline Music Play
Sensor9-Axis (Gyro/Accelerometer/Compass) / Barometer / PPG (Heart Rate Sensor)
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dbpaddler said:
I'm not seeing gps on the urbane 2.
http://www.lg.com/us/smart-watches/lg-W200-Opal-Blue-lg-watch-urbane-2nd-edition
ConnectivityLTE / 3G, Bluetooth® Version 4.1; Wi-Fi® Connectivity and Offline Music Play
Sensor9-Axis (Gyro/Accelerometer/Compass) / Barometer / PPG (Heart Rate Sensor)
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I have read on androidcentral and https://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidWear/comments/3ss9lf/lg_urbane_2_does_it_actually_have_gps/ states that it does. Forums have confirmed that even without cellular activation that they can get GPs lock. So I guess that means these are the 2 devices I should look at

Not seeing where anyone confirms it has gps. The 2nd guy says yes to a video of gps in action, but that doesn't tell me squat. And there's no proof. The last guy owns one and can't tell if it has standalone gps because it makes him turn on his phone to use maps.
So what are you reading that I'm not?
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Not seeing where anyone confirms it has gps. The 2nd guy says yes to a video of gps in action, but that doesn't tell me squat. And there's no proof. The last guy owns one and can't tell if it has standalone gps because it makes him turn on his phone to use maps.
So what are you reading that I'm not?
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http://m.androidcentral.com/first-five-things-know-about-lg-watch-urbane-2nd-edition-lte
Ctrl+f gps
Edit: after some googling looks like moto 360 sport has gps too. Something to consider.

People confirm it in this thread...
http://www.androidcentral.com/first-five-things-know-about-lg-watch-urbane-2nd-edition-lte
Seems like android wear needs an update though to fully take advantage of it all. I'll wait for a deal to pick one up, and I'm sure by then someone will have tried it with ghost racer and posted results.
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People confirm it in this thread...
http://www.androidcentral.com/first-five-things-know-about-lg-watch-urbane-2nd-edition-lte
Seems like android wear needs an update though to fully take advantage of it all. I'll wait for a deal to pick one up, and I'm sure by then someone will have tried it with ghost racer and posted results.
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Lol identical post times. But yeah I'm with you. I am looking for something with better battery life and screen based on common complaints from the sm3. Independent gps is a must to justify androidwear for me tho.

Yeah. I'm trying to avoid getting the Garmin, and I don't really "need" a smartwatch. Living with my TomTom multisport and carrying my Sansa clip with wired buds. Would love to ditch the combo. Not as concerned about battery life. Just want a seamless experience.
And with the way they update androidwear, I think it's the time to jump in with this generation of devices.
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I'm happy user of SW3. As many people here, I use Ghostracer for GPS tracking. It 's not perfect, but quite good. Battery life may be an issue for long runs. GPS fix sometimes takes a long time, but otherwise GPS is quite accurate.

Do you get a GPS signal without connecting the watch to your phone? I am testing a smartwatch 3 and it need to be connected to my phone to find the place where I am. I am testing with Maps and Viewranger and none of them finds a signal.