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Wildfire S Requires S-off for rooting.

I have had a few pm's from users asking for help rooting their phone.
The reason your device may not bee rooted is because your phone is not S-off
Gingerbreak only works for S-off devices and as mine is S-off it allows me to root my phone.
So remember people if you want root at the moment you need S-off and the only way is by using the xtc clip.

Hi imlgl, and thanks for these news.
I am new with Android Stuff, and I am just wonder about "S". I own a Wildfire S.
But what does it mean to have an "S" phone, and what are the advantage and disadvantage to make one S-off?
thanks

Hi.
The S just stands for the new version of the Wildfire. The same as the Incredible S and Desire S.
S-off allows you to have full root accesss to the phone with no limitations. And it also allows rooting as the new phones have the encrypted bootloader. There are many advantages to S-off some of which I don't even know.

hi,
thanks, and do you think it will never work without this xtc clip?
bye
Andy

Not for the time being. There could be an exploit which allows no hardware, or HTC could unlock the bootloader for the Wildfire S

Folks,
Just wondered if Revolutionary is working on a Wildfire S (My Son's phone) solution for S-OFF'ing ?

gol_n_dal said:
Folks,
Just wondered if Revolutionary is working on a Wildfire S (My Son's phone) solution for S-OFF'ing ?
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Had you used the search function, you wouldn't be wondering anymore...

[Q] So confusing this HTC Wildfire S

I'm Sorry if this has been brought up many times or not, but I got so confused to the point I have to ask you guys on how to do this.
I'm used to play with the Galaxy S2 which I know how to root and all that, so i thought HTC Wildfire S wouldn't be the bigger problem since they both are on Android.. i was mistaken.
Here's my question: How to root my device with stock 2.3.3 firmware, Where is the actual guide which doesn't take me ten other places which confuses me and seems it's not even the correct guides for rooting this device.
Device information:
HTC Wildfire S A510e
Stock Android 2.3.3 European
Sense version: 2.1
Something Called S-on/S-off , could anyone tell me what this mean and how to know wethere im "on" or "off" and how to change this
Any more information i need to give?
I would appreciate it ALOT if some nice guy/gal would show me a tutorial on how to root this device, nothing more, nothing less.
Thanks

To check if your WFS is S-on or S-off you should switch it off and than keep the volume down button pressed whilst you press the power button. The first line of this screen will state if you're S-off or not..
If you're not, there's no other way to get S-off than the xtc-clip.
Unfortunately i'm stuck on S-off and there's no xtc-clip near my location afaik and i don't think buying one for the sake of rooting one device is worth it.

Yeah i got into the Hboot after many tries(guess i did many wrong attemps) and it says it S-On
So basicly I have to buy this "xtc-clip" to ever get my phone rooted, or is there other ways?

For now the xtc-clip is the only way to achieve s-off on the WFS....
I'm still hoping that htc will release the bootloader in due time though

Ahh crap, so it was only about luck wether it's S-off or S-On in the beginning?

That's right, apparently HTC released S-off models of the WFS in the Asian regions... not sure how much is true about that btw

Thanx for that "how to check s-on guide".
Was hoping mine was s-off but its not :-( tough luck

(Q) HTC unlock bootloader... but my phone's already ENG-HBOOTed... =_=

...hope this isnt a pointless thread, but I felt these are a valid set of questions... might be wrong though... >_<
In any case, I've just been informed that the HTC now officially unlocks the DHD bootloader through their website.
Now, my questions...
Does anyone know the difference between the Official HTC bootloader unlock procedure versus the Radio and ENG-HBOOT procedure posted by jkoljo?
Also, note that the HTC way looks like its just one procedure... whilst jkoljo's are distinctly two (one for Radio and one for HBOOT)... if the HTC procedure is initially used, would you still need to do either of jkoljo's? ie the Radio S-Off one... assuming the HTC way gives you only Eng-HBOOT S-OFF?
Hell, do you still need to downgrade with the HTC bootloader unlock?
Lastly, I've already used jkoljo's procedure and now fully Radio & HBOOT S-Off'ed... is there any point of doing the HTC unlock bootloader procedure? Would it actually give me a negative result if I actually go through the HTC procedure now with the current state of my phone?
Anyways, thanks for reading through my musings... and here's hoping someone with the knowhow answers well... ^_^
/Peace

I would like to no this to, but do we really need to worry now we are rooted ?

Yes me 2. What are the pros and cons of them?

...from reading the FAQ on the HTCdev about it.
...according to its FAQ
It seems you're still S-ON after their procedure. This is to apparently secure the radio as well as the SIM-Lock...
So me thinks we might still need jkoljo's ENG-S-OFF procedure afterwards...
...Although, with HTC leaving that lock... I'm a bit dubious about advocating their procedure now as opposed to jkoljo's as well as the Advanced Ace Hack kit. The latter of which is actually the most effective imho, though it still needs jkoljo's ENG-S-OFF procedure...

Do not try to unlock the bootloader of your phone.
it's not locked.
If someone can clarify this: for me the DHD bootloader has never been locked!?!
I was planing to go for sensation when HTC launched it but kept my DHD as sensation was locked and it was not possible to put custom ROM.
From my first HTC, the first thing I always do was removing Sense... (HD, HD2 then DHD). As far as I know Sensation was the first with locked bootloader.
if someone can explain... i'll be more than happy

truc007 said:
Do not try to unlock the bootloader of your phone.
it's not locked.
If someone can clarify this: for me the DHD bootloader has never been locked!?!
I was planing to go for sensation when HTC launched it but kept my DHD as sensation was locked and it was not possible to put custom ROM.
From my first HTC, the first thing I always do was removing Sense... (HD, HD2 then DHD). As far as I know Sensation was the first with locked bootloader.
if someone can explain... i'll be more than happy
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Root is different from unlocking bootloader eg the Motorola Milestone has root but the bootloader is still locked. This still allows you to load partially customized ROMs but prevents loading custom kernels for one thing.

My question though would be:
What exactly is the point in HTC's bootloader unlocker? Say you go from a stock phone, upgraded froyo to GB all the way. You dont have s-off or eng-off or anything, what would the benefit be to now unlock the bootloader "officially"?
Does it supply a recovery with nandroid backup or allow GB to be rooted or anything like that?

The benefit would be that you lose your warranty because HTC saves your serial, which wouldn't happen if you do it yourself.
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using Tapatalk

Exactly...and thanks to AAHK it's not really difficult to get Root, S-Off and CWM on our phones
DN41

Wonder why HTC went through "all the trouble" to do a bootloader unlocker for Desire HD now anyway? its like p#ssing on the ashes AFTER the house burnt down, surely they know there's a dozen ways to get there that are far less involved than their convoluted scheme. *shrugs*

I did this just because there's no major action on ICS and no action on rcmix runny, so i needed to do something to my phone.
Its a real convoluted process.
you need to restore to stock and update to the latest ruu before you can then install the new hboot to then unlock.
The only difference is now i have locked, then unlocked at the top of the bootloader screen.
still needed to re root the stock rom to install 4ext to nandroid the stock and restore ICS.
Really not worth the effort trying ifyou already have a custom recovery and s-off.
Unless you want the latest possible date to show off...

But if you unlocked the bootloader, what is the best way to get root access?
I want to use eg Titanium backup

Pibroens said:
But if you unlocked the bootloader, what is the best way to get root access?
I want to use eg Titanium backup
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Check the stickies in the dev forum like this one.
If you have S-OFF, obviously you can skip to the next steps, which is to root.
Make sure you read, read, read so you don't miss anything important.

Demand for S-OFF HTC Phones

Now that HTCdev is unlocking bootloaders, I wonder if getting S-OFF will be put on the back burner. Certainly, I'm not speaking about our phone, but I really hope not. Personally, I won't purchase another phone until its S-OFF. I realize that unlocking the bootloader is a step in the right direction, but we still don't have full fledged access.

Did HTC ever say they would provide s-off? I think it's nice of them to unlock the bootloader for alot of their phones. Way better than any other manufacturer. However, I do agree, I would have a hard time buying a phone that is not s-off capable.

Between merely unlocking bootloaders and having to use a tool that records serial numbers when this is done, I still think there is still a likelihood that we will still try to s-off, root and install custom recovery like always. (Fingers Crossed)

I guess progress is still going on because Droid Inc with new hboot is now s-off

sjpritch25 said:
I guess progress is still going on because Droid Inc with new hboot is now s-off
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Right, but the hboot downgrade tool and s-off were around before the official HTC unlock tool...

I don't think the community is ever going to be satisfied with anything but complete access. Now that HTC's narrowing its lineup, there will be fewer devices to have to support too.

HTC specifically stated they will not provide s off because of the potential to brick your device from flashing radios in the bootloader.
Sent from my Sabotaged Droid Incredible 2.

root without breaking warranty

Can anyone point in the right direction in rooting the m8 without breaking the warranty or unlocking the bootloader?

Rooting without breaking warranty is what we all dream off. Want to bring the phone back to 100% stock you need s-off so you can return bootloader tampered flags back to normal.
S-off is only available via sunshine !

ok have learnt basiclaly sunshine need to be done to unlock the bootloader. However sunshine needs root access to work and it says come here to find out how to get root access. I personally dont care for soff all i want it root.
What are the methods to gain root. Dont care about soff.
is htcdev method the only way? As htc would have a permanent record you have requested your code. Doesnt seem like a great idea imo. Are there any other methods to gain root?
Can this device be rooted without unlocking the bootloader?

Nope, thats the only way.

Thought this could be interesting...
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Bugger all about rooting. So it would seem it shouldn't break the warranty, or am i missing something?

lofty5 said:
ok have learnt basiclaly sunshine need to be done to unlock the bootloader. However sunshine needs root access to work and it says come here to find out how to get root access. I personally dont care for soff all i want it root.
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For previous OS version, there was an option in sunshine to temp root, s-off, and unlock the bootloader. And from there you can install custom recovery and perm root.
But no such temp root exploit has been found for newer (Lollipop) OS versions, unfortunately.

I really hate the idea of having to unlock the bootloader just to root and also giving your imei to htc. The HTC looks like a complete ball ache to get back to stock also.