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I've installed and reinstalled android since the .7 builds before android 1.0 was out, i've installed using data images and ext2 partitions... I've put my time in, so i've had a G1 since december and have pretty muched stopped playing with my kaiser, I picked it up today and have been trying to do a NAND install of Poly's build with no luck... got the 320x240-Panel2-Tilt NBH installed and booting, along with poly's build dropping into the andboot folder... and updated to radio 1.71*, after doing a install to NAND (and wiping /data & /system)... I see that I have bad blocks on my mtdblock3 (NAND) when its mounted... I cant seem to boot android all the way, anyone else have a bootable android that has bad blocks... AFAIK most devices that use NAND work around potential bad blocks (Wii, XB360, etc) will it format around these blocks?
wow, I reflashed the .NBH, and still getting the same bad block error, set the phone down and was browsing the web and listening to TwiG, look back over at the phone and it WAS sitting on a shell on a blank line ie. "#", and started the NexusOne logo!!! so I guess its all good with bad blocks and all!
Now another question, I'm on a $9.99 featurephone unlimited dataplan for AT&T, if I throw my sim back in my Tilt, will they figure it out? I dont have my IMEI registered, but obviously they can see it... lol, I know its a little off topic.
I have 3 bad blocks on my Tilt and doesn't seem to be affecting anything.
Yes bad blocks are a part of every NAND memory device. I read somewhere that there is like a 5% failure rate on these types of memory. It's just how the tech is. However, there is a system built into it to keep track of the bad blocks, once it's marked bad, it will never be used. I also have 1 bad block and have had no ill effect on my kaiser. It just seems that the boot process lists which blocks are being reported as bad by the memory.
Hope this helps.
I have around 7 bad blocks, and OK with my sistem.hahahahahahaha.
jmhalder said:
Now another question, I'm on a $9.99 featurephone unlimited dataplan for AT&T, if I throw my sim back in my Tilt, will they figure it out? I dont have my IMEI registered, but obviously they can see it... lol, I know its a little off topic.
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Yeah they will. They figured it out in less than a week when I got my old Hermes. Even without my IMEI registered, and a custom ROM installed, my account on the site showed I was using a Cingular 8525. They automatically switched me to the $30 data plan. There was absolutely nothing I could do.
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"They" do know, but if you have a feature called "smartphone exclusion" you can get away with a $15 data plan, but as soon as you upgrade to a smartphone the exclusion feature is removed.
So, if you have two lines always upgrade the one that will not be using a smartphone, then switch sim cards.
The only way to know if there is a smartphone exclusion feature is for a rep to open your account and look at your feature codes, even the $0 features.
This probably doesn't make any sense, but I wish there was a way to block an IMEI, then no problem. In the past we could put all 1111's for an imei in the system as a non att phone and there were no reprocussions.
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I've wondered the same thing at times about the imei. It seems every time I went exploring the "making imei different' option, all I would ever get is the big lecture about stealing phones.
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Kinda like when you go buy allergy medicine and get carded, cause there are a bunch of losers out there doing something illegal with it.
I am not sure of the ethical issues with using 'too much data' or paying more, b/c I use my wife's Samsung Flite (insured non-smartphone) with $15.00 internet tethered bluetooth to my laptop, so eh...... I'm always a stickler for paying what I think something is worth to me, especially after a company has REALLY taken advantage of me a time or two. And btw, where I live, I only get 1 bar most of the time. Really, our phones hardly work, so we have skype on the PC to make calls from our home. They work great in the city that I work in, but i'm on a computer using google talk mostly. Can you say "Holes in the coverage map?" And yes, i've tried all the radios. Be it my kaiser, the old hermes, my wife's samsung flight, or the 3 we've had Blackjacks, theres just never been good coverage. So ya, I think i'm overpaying a bit. I just use my phone as a toy, a hobby, a see what it can do.
I've read about IMEI changing being illegal in certain countries. What about the USA? I mean seriously, I drive a car with no catalytic converter, but we don't have emissions checks in my state. Yes that means I'm breaking the law, but I also think that relatively speaking, i'd rather the police spend their time busting Meth labs than worrying about my car emitting 20% more stuff from the exhaust.
Its all about saving money, because everyone is trying to get ALL of it from you.
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Can the imei on the kaiser be changed, or killed for that matter? Has it been explored?
And please, spare me the stolen phone lecture. I just don't think I can take it.
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And please, spare me the stolen phone lecture. I just don't think I can take it.
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How about the "It's illegal to change your IMEI number in most countries and you could face prison if you do it" lecture?
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I've read about IMEI changing being illegal in certain countries. What about the USA? I mean seriously, I drive a car with no catalytic converter, but we don't have emissions checks in my state. Yes that means I'm breaking the law, but I also think that relatively speaking, i'd rather the police spend their time busting Meth labs than worrying about my car emitting 20% more stuff from the exhaust.
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Pulling out the catalytic converter won't increase your mpg, as many modern cars actually require the back pressure. You'd have to also modify the computer, or own a car made in the 70's and older.
Its all about saving money, because everyone is trying to get ALL of it from you.
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I bought my Kaiser off Ebay, and it's actually made for the UK. Just to try and avoid having to pay a $25 fee for having access to unlimited internet. Course the 3G doesn't work with T-Mobile in USA, but I use 2G anyway to save battery power.
Cell phone industry is just one big scam. You can't afford to buy a new phone, unless it's under contract, and switching cell phone companies will cost you a disconnection fee. Not to forget that their cell phones are locked to them only, and requires you to beg for the unlock code.
Honestly wish that T-Mobile had a $10 fee for getting unlimited internet, cause relying on wifi is a huge hassle.
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Pulling out the catalytic converter won't increase your mpg, as many modern cars actually require the back pressure. You'd have to also modify the computer, or own a car made in the 70's and older.
I bought my Kaiser off Ebay, and it's actually made for the UK. Just to try and avoid having to pay a $25 fee for having access to unlimited internet. Course the 3G doesn't work with T-Mobile in USA, but I use 2G anyway to save battery power.
Cell phone industry is just one big scam. You can't afford to buy a new phone, unless it's under contract, and switching cell phone companies will cost you a disconnection fee. Not to forget that their cell phones are locked to them only, and requires you to beg for the unlock code.
Honestly wish that T-Mobile had a $10 fee for getting unlimited internet, cause relying on wifi is a huge hassle.
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Well i've officially derailed this thread. sorry. I'll go join the ranks of losers that I always complain about
BTW, my car doesn't have a cat cause its a 18 year old Cutlass Calais, and I'm not paying to put one back on where the original one rusted away. It does have a new exhaust however, and right where that cat converter goes is a nice shiny honda resonator from a civic Si (got it from a friend at college when he put an aftermarket exhaust on his car).
I don't think you'll get prison time in the United States for messing with your phone, I'm not sure either. I've never heard of it actually happening due to someone changing imei numbers in order to profit criminally in some way.
BTW, just to tie this thread back into its original form, i've gotten Bad Nand blocks reported one time. I flashed hardspl again using sdcard method, and haven't seen them mentioned in android boot since. Weird huh?
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BTW, just to tie this thread back into its original form, i've gotten Bad Nand blocks reported one time. I flashed hardspl again using sdcard method, and haven't seen them mentioned in android boot since. Weird huh?
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I get errors with bad nand blocks as well, but as someone mentioned, that's normal. It's like buying a LCD TV and you see a few dead pixels. That's normal, even though it pisses you off, knowing that companies dare make products with some defects. Even CPUs have this too. For example, when Intel or AMD makes CPUs, they pick the ones that happen to be made well. The ones with the less defects can clock higher, and therefore cost more money. The CPUs with the more defects get clocked lower, and sold cheaper. It's gotten to the point where some companies are disabling cores. ATI and Nvidia first did this with their videos cards, disabling pipelines that were bad. Now AMD does this with their Athlon and Phenom CPUs, by disabling 1 or even 2 bad cores. Good news is that, many products were sold without defective cores or pipelines, and if you know what you're doing, and lucky enough, you could turn cheap products into expensive ones.
Yea I derailed myself. Anyway, after messing with Android on my Kaiser for 5 hours, I decided it wasn't ready. There's 6 issues that bothered me. Doubt any of it is related to bad nand blocks.
#1 Random features don't function unless you restart phone. Couldn't play MP3's because format wasn't supported. Restarted phone, and now I can play MP3's. There's a lot of instances where restarting the phone will fix a problem, but that brings me to the second issue.
#2 Restarting phone can cause it to not boot. Wouldn't be a huge problem if I didn't need to restart often, but I do. Usually, pulling the battery and holding the power button for a while, usually fixes it for me.
#3 Random freezing. You never know when your phone will just freeze. I got it to freeze when changing my ring tone.
#4 Installing applications must be in internal memory. A specific Android related problem, but annoying as hell. There's a solution to this, but it requires me to partition my SD card, and format it as ext2.
#5 No offline GPS. Again, specific to Android but something I can't live without. I heard Ndrive can do it, but I'd rather use the GPS that comes with the Android. I'm sure there's a way around it, but no good step by step guides to do it.
#6 Can't send audio with texts. I'm not sure if this is a Android issue, or if I needed to restart my phone. I love being able to send pictures and music formatted in the AMR format to friends, but for the life of me I couldn't select any AMR audio to send with texts. I could attact pictures with no problem, but couldn't find any of my mp3's or amr files. The same could be said about changing my ring tone to a mp3, as it just couldn't see it.
Did what i said to you in the other thread help with the sticky boot, and the lockups?
You mean the 3.29 boot loader? It still happened when I flashed it. Though, I did notice that Android booted faster, but that maybe my perception.
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How about the "It's illegal to change your IMEI number in most countries and you could face prison if you do it" lecture?
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Its not illegal in america, it IS undoubtably illegal in lots of europe... its obviously illegal to exploit that to do malicious things... but whatever, the knowledge to do so is obviously NOT illegal, I'm VERY tired of that argument... that kind of info IS on this site... also, claiming illegality in the US will require citing law for me to really take ANY credibility in it...
*once again, I'm only promoting the KNOWLEDGE to be able to modify this, not the actual act... obviously there are a TON of scumbags that want this info to push devices illegally in the EU, but I personally could give a crap about them.*
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Its not illegal in america, it IS undoubtably illegal in lots of europe... its obviously illegal to exploit that to do malicious things... but whatever, the knowledge to do so is obviously NOT illegal, I'm VERY tired of that argument... that kind of info IS on this site... also, claiming illegality in the US will require citing law for me to really take ANY credibility in it...
*once again, I'm only promoting the KNOWLEDGE to be able to modify this, not the actual act... obviously there are a TON of scumbags that want this info to push devices illegally in the EU, but I personally could give a crap about them.*
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I guess someone totally missed the smiley at the end of my post.
As for the knowledge how to do it, it took be approx 5 seconds to put a search in to XDA's search box and come up with the results how to do it. Try it yourself instead of complaining about it.
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I guess someone totally missed the smiley at the end of my post.
As for the knowledge how to do it, it took be approx 5 seconds to put a search in to XDA's search box and come up with the results how to do it. Try it yourself instead of complaining about it.
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I've searched, and used good forum etiquette, no need for the harshness, i've tried the single piece of software available that isn't INTENDED for the Kaiser, and I couldn't get it to work, also couldn't find any reports of it working for the Kaiser. PM me if you have any other info.
Please PM me too. I've performed the same searches and haven't found anything useful.
Actually changing your IMEI in order to get a service you have not paid for would be fraud, which I believe would be a felony charge at least.
There are US laws on the book regarding changing electronic "serial numbers" on mobile communications devices. They don't say IMEI (this was to deal with ESN cloning fraud in the late '90s with analog cell phones) but if you actually read the laws as they are written - you'd see they could easily interpreted a lot of different ways.
And in todays climate of anti-terror paranoia, I'm sure that changing your imei might also be construed as an attempt to avoid legitimate surveillance, i.e. wiretapping, which uses the imei in order to intercept traffic to and from a suspects device.
Not that i'm being a killjoy, I just had a look for ways of changing imei, and found a few ways of doing it, i'm just about to point anyone in their direction, since i'm in the UK
Wondering what's going on with peoples Evo lately... Mine stopped working for 3 hours then came back on.... I went to sleep this morning and left it on the USB charger...Woke up and noticed that my supersonic was off and went through the normal routine of trying to get it back on..(battery pull, tried booting into recovery, pulled SD card, tried different charger) all to no avail.... Get to the store and the tech tells me my battery is deformed (even told me to feel the buldge, which I did not feel). Their solution was for me to by a new battery...they wouldn't replace and im covered with the TEP....just as I was about to purchase the extended battery cause they didnt have the stock battery, I push the power button and my phone boots... Walked out the store baffled but the phone has been working ever since...
I been reading similar stories and my simple question is what the hell is going on...
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Wondering what's going on with peoples Evo lately... Mine stopped working for 3 hours then came back on.... I went to sleep this morning and left it on the USB charger...Woke up and noticed that my supersonic was off and went through the normal routine of trying to get it back on..(battery pull, tried booting into recovery, pulled SD card, tried different charger) all to no avail.... Get to the store and the tech tells me my battery is deformed (even told me to feel the buldge, which I did not feel). Their solution was for me to by a new battery...they wouldn't replace and im covered with the TEP....just as I was about to purchase the extended battery cause they didnt have the stock battery, I push the power button and my phone boots... Walked out the store baffled but the phone has been working ever since...
I been reading similar stories and my simple question is what the hell is going on...
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Probably something with the kernel, that seems to be the common denominator so far.
Almost all of us hack our phones in some way: rooting, flashing roms, flashing kernels, adding programs (like hulu, wireless tether), etc etc. Since our battery life sucks anyway, many of us charge our phones multiple times per day. Li-Ion batteries aren't exactly known for their stability. If you Google it, you'll find that they've been acting funny and blowing up for nearly a decade (the oldest news story I could find dated back to 2002).
Since we run our phones really hard, sometimes the battery bugs out for a little while, or dies completely. It was recently blamed on SBC kernels, but we're talking a very small percentage of users experiencing problems. However, it's the nature of the beast that sometimes the phone just has a mild heart attack and comas out for a bit. I would still replace the battery or at least take it easy on flashing things for a little while.
As our phone grows older, we have more and more options on what to do with it...and that's just super but over-flash too much and one line of code doesn't make it and boom, your phone doesn't turn on for 3 hours. Software is a fickle *****, so have fun but be cautious. Always check your logcats and battery monitors.
Thanks for this very logical explanation... Ordered new battery just in case....and will take heed to your recommendations..
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Almost all of us hack our phones in some way: rooting, flashing roms, flashing kernels, adding programs (like hulu, wireless tether), etc etc. Since our battery life sucks anyway, many of us charge our phones multiple times per day. Li-Ion batteries aren't exactly known for their stability. If you Google it, you'll find that they've been acting funny and blowing up for nearly a decade (the oldest news story I could find dated back to 2002).
Since we run our phones really hard, sometimes the battery bugs out for a little while, or dies completely. It was recently blamed on SBC kernels, but we're talking a very small percentage of users experiencing problems. However, it's the nature of the beast that sometimes the phone just has a mild heart attack and comas out for a bit. I would still replace the battery or at least take it easy on flashing things for a little while.
As our phone grows older, we have more and more options on what to do with it...and that's just super but over-flash too much and one line of code doesn't make it and boom, your phone doesn't turn on for 3 hours. Software is a fickle *****, so have fun but be cautious. Always check your logcats and battery monitors.
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Just saw you said your battery was deformed... yeah, that's why you don't use kernels with sbc. It's pretty stupid to honestly.
Check out a video on youtube of what they can do when overcharged.
And definitely get rid of that battery. That's not something you want to be using.
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Just saw you said your battery was deformed... yeah, that's why you don't use kernels with sbc. It's pretty stupid to honestly.
Check out a video on youtube of what they can do when overcharged.
And definitely get rid of that battery. That's not something you want to be using.
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lol do you search the website every hour for "SBC" and have to diss it every post lol, it's actually hilarious, i find it funny...
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lol do you search the website every hour for "SBC" and have to diss it every post lol, it's actually hilarious, i find it funny...
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He asked what was going on so I told him, I'm glad you are easily amused.
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He asked what was going on so I told him, I'm glad you are easily amused.
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maybe you should enlighten him that batteries aren't perfect nor are they any where near invincible, they come and go, just like cars, just like power supplies, just like anything. Relax with the NAZI, "SBC OMGGGGGGGG" that's all, it's every thread and it's all opinionated. And no, I'm not going to argue with 4.2 charge full dangerous 4.3 read this site, then dip your oreo while doing a kickflip, no, just relax with the opinions that's all...
May seem like an odd question but on my old Kaiser (Windows phone I know) I started to get block errors after flashing Android to NAND repeatedly. The developers and gurus there said it was a known problem and that it would continue to worsen, at which point I stopped
The question is, is it possible to over flash the G2?
I KNOW... different device/hardware/OS and all but I confess to being concerned. Is there any chance that repeated flashing is going to cause long term issues?
Don't think you can but I would like a straight answer from someone who knows what there talking about also
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No. Things just age with use.
It's like the same question with computers, If i never shut it down will it kill my computer? If i reformat my hard drive too much will it kill it? no. while many factors do need to be take into consideration but not so much with phones, And most electronics do have hours powered on stats and each device does have that. but as far as phones i really couldnt tell you.
flash memory can be rewritten 100,000,000 times..... so the answer is yes... (thats a real fact btw)
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flash memory can be rewritten 100,000,000 times..... so the answer is yes... (thats a real fact btw)
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yeah but not typical. i have a better chance in dropping my phone in the toilet then over flashing haha.
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flash memory can be rewritten 100,000,000 times..... so the answer is yes... (thats a real fact btw)
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Oh crap! Since I'm a 'flashaoholic' Its getting up there on that many time times! GEEZ!
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Once a week....
Thanks to all for the answers. I guess I've got a long way to go to 1,000,000,000 but if devs keep putting out new and improved ROMs I'll keep flashing them.
Good to know the concensus is that, even at one a week I have a few years worth
NAND is typically good to at least tens or hundreds of thousands of read/writes.
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So even for flashaholics, the frequency of flashing is really not much of a concern. Sure, there is some tiny possibility that memory can randomly fail at any time. And the more you do it, the higher the chance of that occuring. But its not significant, and I wouldn't worry about it.
Even when talking about flash memory on things like SSD drives, that get re-written much more frequently, I believe the mean failure time is often spoken of as being at least 10 years, and often much longer due to various wear-leveling techniques.
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No. Things just age with use.
It's like the same question with computers, If i never shut it down will it kill my computer? If i reformat my hard drive too much will it kill it? no. while many factors do need to be take into consideration but not so much with phones, And most electronics do have hours powered on stats and each device does have that. but as far as phones i really couldnt tell you.
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Eh I disagree. Reformatting too much can be a problem with flash memory. My mother, for example, always used to reformat her camera SD card instead of just erasing all the images normally (I know, facepalm). Over only two or three years, her pictures were unable to be developed because the SD card was corrupt. The gold strips on it looked like they had been beat to hell. It wasn't a cheap brand either, it was a Sandisk.
Although, with phones I don't think it's a problem. Lets face it, most of us won't have the same phone for over two years, many won't even have them past one year. We won't be using our phones long enough to get to that point.
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Eh I disagree. Reformatting too much can be a problem with flash memory. My mother, for example, always used to reformat her camera SD card instead of just erasing all the images normally (I know, facepalm). Over only two or three years, her pictures were unable to be developed because the SD card was corrupt. The gold strips on it looked like they had been beat to hell. It wasn't a cheap brand either, it was a Sandisk.
Although, with phones I don't think it's a problem. Lets face it, most of us won't have the same phone for over two years, many won't even have them past one year. We won't be using our phones long enough to get to that point.
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I don't know how you thought that reformatting something could physically damage the gold contacts on it. That's probably because she took the card out and put it back in a ton of times.
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Omg i was actually thinking of your question.. cause my battery is really hot!! Hopefully its not for that reason.
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I don't know how you thought that reformatting something could physically damage the gold contacts on it. That's probably because she took the card out and put it back in a ton of times.
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Yeah, it sounds like some physical abuse, and not just from reformatting it. I've swapped SD and Micro-SD cards in and out of devices and card readers countless times, and never had any damage to the contacts. Mama might be inserted the card incorrectly, or to forcefully.
In any case, that example is just anecdotal. The failure could have been for any random reason. Memory can just stop working one day. Doesn't mean that formatting it was the cause.
Wow....didnt even know that overflashing is possible. ...... . But still on a low number i will get there in less than 10 years (maybe)
ok this has already been said to be hard bricked. i tried the JTAG and it didnt work because of a damaged EMMC chip. but how does a EMMC chip get damaged??? could it of been from shipping it to texas (place where it got JTAGged)? what about sprint could i lie and get a refurbished one???
btw it was bricked by a flash, so how could it damage the EMMC chip????
thanks
i flashed cm9 with the el26 CWM repacked ( the one in the directions) and i still bricked...
How do you know EMMC chip damaged? Just curious...
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ok this has already been said to be hard bricked. i tried the JTAG and it didnt work because of a damaged EMMC chip. but how does a EMMC chip get damaged??? could it of been from shipping it to texas (place where it got JTAGged)? what about sprint could i lie and get a refurbished one???
btw it was bricked by a flash, so how could it damage the EMMC chip????
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It was damaged when you formatted the partitions in cwm....only thing you can do is go to sprint and see if they replace it if not then ship it to Samsung and see if they will do it.....it was not damaged in shipping...it was damaged by u not reading and flashing the way devs have said
The emmc is not really damaged but the partitions are screwed up and no way to fix..
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What you do is post in the right section and then buy another god damn phone... I don't mean to be a **** but seriously, there have been sooo many bricking threads and warnings...
Now what? Now you go to Sprint, be honest with them, appeal to their kindness and hope for the best. If that doesn't work then you buy a new one.
I'll supplement the previous comments by this...
Once you get your new phone read up on flashing CM9 to avoid bricking it again. You can start with the sticky at the top of this thread.
No. What you do is, go to Sprint, say you were playing a game, it froze, you pulled the battery and now all it has is a steady blue LED and you don't know why. Do not mention rooting, act like you don't know what rooting is. They can't check if it's rooted anymore without wiping all software so you're fine. If you have warranty, they'll have a replacement in 3 days.
Stay away from CM9. C stands for catastrophic and m for meltdown, the nine is just a nine.
Pp.
" It is said that when He swims, dolphins appear "......... even if its in a pool!
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No. What you do is, go to Sprint, say you were playing a game, it froze, you pulled the battery and now all it has is a steady blue LED and you don't know why. Do not mention rooting, act like you don't know what rooting is. They can't check if it's rooted anymore without wiping all software so you're fine. If you have warranty, they'll have a replacement in 3 days.
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Yes, by all means let's advise people how to avoid taking personal responsibility for not following instructions and screwing up their phones in the process. That's a surefire way to keep future costs down.
Bricked also, welcome to the club
I to have a bricked device. I now know that this issue resides from a defect that resides in the kernel i believe and really only happens when going from one ICS rom to another. I can't believe that this even happened in the first place. Since i first got the phone when it was released I've been flashing away completely fine up until I flashed the Slim rom and then bam, Nothing. I to sent it in for repair at mobiletechvideos.com but they were not able to fix that eMMC data issue. I've been dealing with this since May 2 now and still don't have a working phone. I"m going to be send back to Samsung for a possible repair but this issue is not because of anything that you did wrong. It's a know issue by know and hopefully in the near future other users won't have to deal this this same **** either. Sounds like a possible patch in the works to prevent this from happening at all on these phones running this particular processor.
Good luck to you
http://www.xda-developers.com/tag/att-samsung-galaxy-s-ii/
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Yes, by all means let's advise people how to avoid taking personal responsibility for not following instructions and screwing up their phones in the process. That's a surefire way to keep future costs down.
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I'm sorry I have to say this. First let me say that I do believe in taking responsibility for my own actions. But the arguement that people going in a lying to sprint will raise cost is mute. If one was to stop and think about this. This is a company that sells you a plan that includes unlimited data and text and then charges you an additional fee for premium data. They have a whole team at the corporate level that their whole job is to figure out ways to raise cost and pitch it to customers in a way that they will still want to buy. I really do understand what you're saying but believe me. If everyone that ever bricked a phone was honest and paid out the ass for a new phone. Sprint and Samsung would still raise the cost of their services and producst. The only thing that people lying to sprint does is give them an excuse. Maybe I've been in the tech feild too long and am just jaded. Its not just sprint. Its all companies like that. How else do you think they afford to pay their CEO's and underlings 6-7figures aa year.
I believe the issue lies with step 2 in the cm9 install directions.
I never wipe data or factory reset in CWM. Wipe cache or davlik is fine. I always use calks format all to wipe data.
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I believe the issue lies with step 2 in the cm9 install directions.
I never wipe data or factory reset in CWM. Wipe cache or davlik is fine. I always use calks format all to wipe data.
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I do the same except I use the modified format (no data) zip as well but sounds like its only a matter of time before I get bit for being lazy
hrffd said:
No. What you do is, go to Sprint, say you were playing a game, it froze, you pulled the battery and now all it has is a steady blue LED and you don't know why. Do not mention rooting, act like you don't know what rooting is. They can't check if it's rooted anymore without wiping all software so you're fine. If you have warranty, they'll have a replacement in 3 days.
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Completely off-topic but your signature is making me want to fire up the GBA emulator and play Pokemon Red/Blue again.
Is this issue only going to get worse when a true ICS recovery is developed? Will the new recoveries gracefully handle GB to ICS and the reverse? I hope so, or it sounds like we're in for a lot of madness.
I've always used Mobile Odin to get back to EL26 and I've never had a problem flip-flopping back and forth to roms. CM9 alpha 4 seems very refined to me and I'm going to stick with it for awhile until MIUI gets its battery issues resolved.
But I say if people want to play in the ICS pool, pay your $5 to get mobile odin pro, and only use the proper EL26 recovery for everything. It's so simple and that's a lot cheaper than a warranty replace or totally new phone.
jamesey said:
I believe the issue lies with step 2 in the cm9 install directions.
I never wipe data or factory reset in CWM. Wipe cache or davlik is fine. I always use calks format all to wipe data.
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I believe the issue lies in user error. CM9 instructions are to odin el26cwm which has been safe to wipe/data since it's a Gingerbread kernel. I have installed cm9, aokp, codename, gummy, and mainly lots of nightly builds for cm9. Never had an issue and yes I followed the cm9 instructions. Somewhere along the way I believe people don't realize is that on this phone, every time you flash a rom, it comes with it's own kernel and recovery if there is one packaged. For now all instructions are pretty much the same across the board, for any flashing wiping etc it has to be done on a gingerbread recovery either el26 or el29.
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I'm sorry I have to say this. First let me say that I do believe in taking responsibility for my own actions. But the arguement that people going in a lying to sprint will raise cost is mute. If one was to stop and think about this. This is a company that sells you a plan that includes unlimited data and text and then charges you an additional fee for premium data. They have a whole team at the corporate level that their whole job is to figure out ways to raise cost and pitch it to customers in a way that they will still want to buy. I really do understand what you're saying but believe me. If everyone that ever bricked a phone was honest and paid out the ass for a new phone. Sprint and Samsung would still raise the cost of their services and producst. The only thing that people lying to sprint does is give them an excuse. Maybe I've been in the tech feild too long and am just jaded. Its not just sprint. Its all companies like that. How else do you think they afford to pay their CEO's and underlings 6-7figures aa year.
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You're right, of course the carrier(s) and manufacturer(s) are going to continue to raise costs because they are a business and that's how they stay in business but it's a little naive (or wishful thinking?) to assume these types of events do not affect cost.
So while I agree with you on that point (they raise prices regardless) I still stand firm on people lying to cover their asses when they screw up and ruin their phones.
I can't count the number of these threads I've seen, just since January, despite there being tons of warnings, detailed installation instructions, and other threads like this alerting people what not to do. It leaves me to wonder how many people have read, but not posted, and followed the dishonest advice to obtain new phones at little or no cost.
My argument is that we are enabling an irresponsible mindset that doesn't stop with broken phones. Pointless argument perhaps but just my personal feelings.
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You're right, of course the carrier(s) and manufacturer(s) are going to continue to raise costs because they are a business and that's how they stay in business but it's a little naive (or wishful thinking?) to assume these types of events do not affect cost.
So while I agree with you on that point (they raise prices regardless) I still stand firm on people lying to cover their asses when they screw up and ruin their phones.
I can't count the number of these threads I've seen, just since January, despite there being tons of warnings, detailed installation instructions, and other threads like this alerting people what not to do. It leaves me to wonder how many people have read, but not posted, and followed the dishonest advice to obtain new phones at little or no cost.
My argument is that we are enabling an irresponsible mindset that doesn't stop with broken phones. Pointless argument perhaps but just my personal feelings.
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I do agree with some of your points, though I think your exaggerating the costs.
They are not going to give him a new phone just a refurbished one. The one he damaged is not beyond repair. It will be sent out and be refurbished for someone else.
I'm sure the cost of tep more then covers Sprint's costs.
PanchoPlanet said:
Stay away from CM9. C stands for catastrophic and m for meltdown, the nine is just a nine.
Pp.
" It is said that when He swims, dolphins appear "......... even if its in a pool!
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Except that, if you actually follow instructions, it's not either of those things. I've flashed CM9 and AOKP literally dozens of times, following the instructions to the letter, and haven't had a single issue. All you have to do is make sure that when you do wipe data/factory reset, you're doing it on EL26 Stock CWM, not a Rogue repack or whatnot.
People are going to do whatever they do no matter what is said. Some feel they've been screwed over by the carriers and OEM's and this is their opportunity to get back at em. Trust me if I had an opportunity toto stick Comcast with a nice shafting I would. In all honesty though. If you know how to read people. You can go into a store and tell the tech the truth and he will still swap it for 35 bucks or free if you have the TEP. You may have to go to a few stores and talk to the tech for a few minutes to feel em out. Hell I bricked mine and me and the tech talked for a few minutes about the issues happening wwith the phone and what caused it and he had no problem swapping it out. I paid the 35 bucks and was done with it. As I said. I agree with the taking responsibility cause lord knows this nation could use a morals lesson or two. But aether your honest or you lie there is going to be people that seal these bricks out for free phones. Whether its a nice tech doing a solid or a lying customer. Not to mention the thousands Samsung has probably already bricked looking into it. My grip isn't with telling people to be honest. Its with the arguement that alot of people seem to bring that them lying and that alone will be the reason for price hikes. I know that wasn't what was said here it was just one of those deals where it was the post that caused me to respond.
Take care.
I asked this question in another thread before. But the curiousity of mine got the better of me..
I tried to search for updates on Note 7 these couple of days and all the news were about refunds, recall, banned from flights.. nothing on new 'explosions'? Can't be all phones were returned or absolutely no one using. Even if all phones are turned off, there is still a possibility of one catching fire right?
Or did I miss something?
I'm not really saying conspiracy theories. Just coincidentally.. it just cease... touch wood..
i post a linked earlier showing that there are more people using the note 7 after the 2nd recall for some reason.
mission accomplished, as for the fruity co. and the tyrant mighty G, lol
But on a serious "note", pun intended.. really no more new cases? It is getting more and more coincidental isn't it?
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I asked this question in another thread before. But the curiousity of mine got the better of me..
I tried to search for updates on Note 7 these couple of days and all the news were about refunds, recall, banned from flights.. nothing on new 'explosions'? Can't be all phones were returned or absolutely no one using. Even if all phones are turned off, there is still a possibility of one catching fire right?
Or did I miss something?
I'm not really saying conspiracy theories. Just coincidentally.. it just cease... touch wood..
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I never saw in the press all 23 the cpsc says happened from Sept 15 till the other day so likely they are still happening. Not everyone runs to the verge.
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I never saw in the press all 23 the cpsc says happened from Sept 15 till the other day so likely they are still happening. Not everyone runs to the verge.
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Or because it was not news worthy anymore? There is a case of the phone caught fire when it was off. So I guess it will happen randomly even when every Note users switched it off. Yet, zero reports news. The more I think of it, the more I feel that it is a waste to recall everything single one world wide.
There was one that caught fire a few days ago, I think Oct 10th, in South Korea at a Burger King and got caught on video so, yes they're still having problems and as long as people keep them and continue using them we'll see incidents reported at some point.
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There was one that caught fire a few days ago, I think Oct 10th, in South Korea at a Burger King and got caught on video so, yes they're still having problems and as long as people keep them and continue using them we'll see incidents reported at some point.
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What i actually meant was cases after those reported earlier. After saying they stop production and recalling.
Because there are so many people intent on keeping their devices, I'm absolutely positive we'll see more reports as time passes. I don't suspect we'll see hundreds or even thousands of them since it's such a random thing so far - happens when it's on, happens when it's off, happens when it's charging, happens when it's not charging, and so on - but even so we haven't seen the last reports, no, not by a long shot.
Personal opinion, obviously, but since people are freakin' stupid that's an absolute guarantee that this situation is far far from over.
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Because there are so many people intent on keeping their devices, I'm absolutely positive we'll see more reports as time passes. I don't suspect we'll see hundreds or even thousands of them since it's such a random thing so far - happens when it's on, happens when it's off, happens when it's charging, happens when it's not charging, and so on - but even so we haven't seen the last reports, no, not by a long shot.
Personal opinion, obviously, but since people are freakin' stupid that's an absolute guarantee that this situation is far far from over.
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Ok. Refraining from branding others being stupid... i just like to point out that, a substantial number 'randomly' happen over a short span of time, then randomlynothing happen after that. That doesn't translate to random in my limited knowledge.
I think you're trying to figure out randomness a little too tightly there. Is this type of incident predictable to any given level of confidence? No. Does it happen at unpredictable times? Yes. Has it happened in a wide geographical spread aka worldwide? Yes. Has it happened on original devices and also replacement models that use entirely different batteries that come from a completely different supplier? Yes.
By definition that would mean it's a random thing.
As for the "nothing happens" concept, that could be because people are not using their devices - and yes we know it has happened on devices that were entirely powered down and not charging which could lend some credibility towards it being a compression/pressure issue on the battery that causes the thermal runaway condition which can occur over time, not just in an instant when it's desired. Even so, not using a Note 7 can apparently be just as potentially hazardous as using one so, again, returning the device is plain old prudent and common sense.
Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same.
Some people will believe anything they read, either in mainstream news or rags such as 'The Verge'.
They may well be the ones who are duped.
Re: "Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same."
Solution? Solution to what exactly?
br0adband said:
I think you're trying to figure out randomness a little too tightly there. Is this type of incident predictable to any given level of confidence? No. Does it happen at unpredictable times? Yes. Has it happened in a wide geographical spread aka worldwide? Yes. Has it happened on original devices and also replacement models that use entirely different batteries that come from a completely different supplier? Yes.
By definition that would mean it's a random thing.
As for the "nothing happens" concept, that could be because people are not using their devices - and yes we know it has happened on devices that were entirely powered down and not charging which could lend some credibility towards it being a compression/pressure issue on the battery that causes the thermal runaway condition which can occur over time, not just in an instant when it's desired. Even so, not using a Note 7 can apparently be just as potentially hazardous as using one so, again, returning the device is plain old prudent and common sense.
Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same.
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It can happen to any units, whether manufactured initially or the second batch, using any batteries at any country. Agree. And if a hardware can't be pinpoint, probably it is design flaw. And design flaw means, it can still happen. Agree. No doubt we will have to turn it in.
But just to emphasize what I've mentioned, why the pattern occurs with such intensityat certain point, but stopped at suddenly. Shouldn't it occurs at least at some point of time, somewhere to someone in the past few days? Why the inconsistency in occurrance if it was a hardware/design failure? Either we should have a incidence happening in Southeast asia, or we should expect one in Europe. But it just stop. Whether the phones were operating or returned or still in used dont add up to the equation now. Why this phenomenon ceased after they decide to close down production and recall all back. Unless the phones know through supernatural means that it is time to stop exploding because they are going back to mother ship ( Samsung), I have no other answers which I'm seeking for.
At this point media don't care... phone is destroyed and all that refund, recall **** is more important then just writing about it blowing up OK just combustion over and over is boring. Unless someone goes to hospital you will hear it... and looking that note7 usage increased smth like that can happen... rly sad 2 years for note users in Europe... will be waiting for note8 with my s7e...
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It can happen to any units, whether manufactured initially or the second batch, using any batteries at any country. Agree. And if a hardware can't be pinpoint, probably it is design flaw. And design flaw means, it can still happen. Agree. No doubt we will have to turn it in.
But just to emphasize what I've mentioned, why the pattern occurs with such intensityat certain point, but stopped at suddenly. Shouldn't it occurs at least at some point of time, somewhere to someone in the past few days? Why the inconsistency in occurrance if it was a hardware/design failure? Either we should have a incidence happening in Southeast asia, or we should expect one in Europe. But it just stop. Whether the phones were operating or returned or still in used dont add up to the equation now. Why this phenomenon ceased after they decide to close down production and recall all back. Unless the phones know through supernatural means that it is time to stop exploding because they are going back to mother ship ( Samsung), I have no other answers which I'm seeking for.
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This is also what I asked in a previous thread, but some guys jumped on easy clichees...
It is strange that we never heard of any issues with any of the phones which were on display worldwide, always connected to chargers and handled by a lot of people in all the possible ways...
Now, after the first recall, we suddenly hear of reports, some saying the phone was not charging or was even turned off. They started the fears that the phone is dangerous, no matter if on or off. Even so no report of any phone going crazy in any warehouse or during the shipping back, despite the 'concerns' of majority of the shipping companies that refuse to ship the phone...
Now, ban the phone completely in the airplanes...
Still, as you noticed, after the last decision, the phones, 'magically', started the be afraid and are behaving well, no matter that the number of Note 7 still in use is increasing so, it is not quite true that the people is shutting them down...
Yesterday I saw a news that an iPhone 7 busted in flames and injured the owner on the face, because he was filming with the phone. Not many sites mentioned the incident...
I might be wrong, but there are a little too more coincidences for such a 'random' issue...
Anyhow, it appears that 'Mission is completed!'...
Let's hope that we see a future for the Note line!
Ok, consider this: since we don't actually know (we meaning you, me, Samsung, and anybody else at this precise moment in time) what's causing these problems which appear to be random in nature and could happen at any given time and yet you're wondering why we haven't seen any new incidents being reported at this time you have to consider something else as well.
You have to consider:
- that Samsung had a 1st recall and got the word out to the world about the potential for the device to catch on fire and burn up causing problems
- that Samsung attempted to resolve the issue but wasn't or hasn't been able to effectively reproduce it with any consistency that we (meaning the general public at large worldwide) have been made aware of
- that Samsung leaned towards it being a battery issue so they switched suppliers for the batteries that were to go in replacement devices
- that Samsung created and distributed a firmware update that when applied to the Note 7 caused the charging circuit to enforce more stringent limitations on not only the amount of current being applied when charging was taking place (to keep the battery from potentially overheating) but also some temperature related adjustments bringing the previous thermal limits down quite a bit (to cause the device to shut down if the thermal limits were breached) and also modified the battery icon from Google's mandated white color to green for a quick identification of "fixed" devices (Samsung had to ask for permission to do that, actually, but Google had no reason to deny it and I think it was a good idea overall in this situation)
- that Samsung then got reports of some of the replacement units also exhibiting the same type of behavior and also failing because of a thermal runaway condition and therefore they initiated a second voluntary recall of the original devices that had the update applied but also the replacement models that shipped with a) a new battery from the different supplier and b) the firmware applied to limit the charging current and the modified thermal limits
- that Samsung worked closely with the Consumer Product Safety Commission here in the U.S. in getting the word out about the 1st and then the 2nd recall, both voluntary as requested by Samsung itself
- that Samsung finally had to toss in the towel on the Note 7, declare it utterly dead for all intents and purposes, and then have the CPSC step the recall up to a mandatory one (at least here in the U.S.)
Now, considering all that information, all those events that have happened since all this started, it's pretty obvious to see that the information has spread far and wide from websites on the Internet to local TV station news broadcasts talking about the Note 7 to comedians and late night TV talk show hosts making jokes about the Note 7 (I just got done watching "Real Time with Bill Maher" and even HE made a joke in his opening monologue related to Samsung and this Note 7 fiasco) to cable news networks mentioning it, and then finally Samsung and carriers contacting customers by email and sending SMS text messages to their numbers with information and alerts about returning the devices.
What's my point?
What has changed in the past week or so if that:
- because of the spread of that information people stopped using their Note 7 devices, completely, most people probably turning them off/powering them down totally and just not messing with them again (this doesn't necessarily protect them from potential problems because at least 2 instances of the Note 7 exploding/burning up were attributed to devices that were totally powered down, I can't confirm that's absolute true and the stories are not false, I'm just saying that there were at least 2 reports worldwide of Note 7 devices having this problem that can't be replicated on demand when they were totally powered off according to the claimants)
- because of the spread of that information people contacted Samsung and their carriers and started returning their devices as requested by Samsung per the recall (a week ago it was still voluntary) - again, they stopped using them
- because of the spread of that information Samsung and the carriers started collecting the recalled units removing them from potential use and powering them down which may be their safest condition but it's not 100% safe for sure without any doubt whatsoever - that's why this recall is happening because no one can absolutely guarantee that any given Note 7 won't exhibit this problem so they have to sweep them all off the planet, plain and simple
I hope that helps with understanding why the number of incidents appears to be lower now as opposed to a week or even 2-4 weeks ago when this really got started. More people know about it, more people got more accurate info, got notifications from Samsung and their carriers about a potential safety hazard with the Note 7, and those people - the intelligent ones that understand this could prove to be a very serious problem if it happens to them - did what they were requested to do and because of that the total number of incidents that have happened is now lower due to those people taking action on their own parts to get things corrected.
I don't see why most people don't grasp this - I still see people blaming Samsung as though it's a conspiracy of sorts just to take away their Note 7's which is utter rubbish from any intelligent angle you can look at this situation from. Things happen, mistakes are made, other phones have had similar problems from time to time but in this situation with the Note 7 it happened almost at the time of release (a few weeks at most) and it happened with a higher frequency aka more people worldwide reporting on it.
If something happens once, it can sometimes be attributed to just a defect in that one unit, a mishap on the production line, someone not paying attention and making a mistake. If it happens to the same product in two or three devices of the same type, it could indicate a problem with the production again but contained to a respectable degree. When it happens a few dozen times, and not only that but when it causes the public to incur some damage to person or property, that's when it becomes a much more severe issue - it's that bridge of going from "oh, my device has a problem..." to "oh, my device just blew up and scorched my leg/pants/table/chair/sofa/bed/purse/backpack/dash of my car/etc..." that things take on a completely different situation.
tl;dr version: Not as many people are using the Note 7 today or in the past few days as there were a week ago, or two weeks ago, and so on. Really, that's the simplest answer of all.
See how that works? Hope this helps...
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Ok, consider this: since we don't actually know (we meaning you, me, Samsung, and anybody else at this precise moment in time) what's causing these problems which appear to be random in nature and could happen at any given time and yet you're wondering why we haven't seen any new incidents being reported at this time you have to consider something else as well.
You have to consider:
- that Samsung had a 1st recall and got the word out to the world about the potential for the device to catch on fire and burn up causing problems
- that Samsung attempted to resolve the issue but wasn't or hasn't been able to effectively reproduce it with any consistency that we (meaning the general public at large worldwide) have been made aware of
- that Samsung leaned towards it being a battery issue so they switched suppliers for the batteries that were to go in replacement devices
- that Samsung created and distributed a firmware update that when applied to the Note 7 caused the charging circuit to enforce more stringent limitations on not only the amount of current being applied when charging was taking place (to keep the battery from potentially overheating) but also some temperature related adjustments bringing the previous thermal limits down quite a bit (to cause the device to shut down if the thermal limits were breached) and also modified the battery icon from Google's mandated white color to green for a quick identification of "fixed" devices (Samsung had to ask for permission to do that, actually, but Google had no reason to deny it and I think it was a good idea overall in this situation)
- that Samsung then got reports of some of the replacement units also exhibiting the same type of behavior and also failing because of a thermal runaway condition and therefore they initiated a second voluntary recall of the original devices that had the update applied but also the replacement models that shipped with a) a new battery from the different supplier and b) the firmware applied to limit the charging current and the modified thermal limits
- that Samsung worked closely with the Consumer Product Safety Commission here in the U.S. in getting the word out about the 1st and then the 2nd recall, both voluntary as requested by Samsung itself
- that Samsung finally had to toss in the towel on the Note 7, declare it utterly dead for all intents and purposes, and then have the CPSC step the recall up to a mandatory one (at least here in the U.S.)
Now, considering all that information, all those events that have happened since all this started, it's pretty obvious to see that the information has spread far and wide from websites on the Internet to local TV station news broadcasts talking about the Note 7 to comedians and late night TV talk show hosts making jokes about the Note 7 (I just got done watching "Real Time with Bill Maher" and even HE made a joke in his opening monologue related to Samsung and this Note 7 fiasco) to cable news networks mentioning it, and then finally Samsung and carriers contacting customers by email and sending SMS text messages to their numbers with information and alerts about returning the devices.
What's my point?
What has changed in the past week or so if that:
- because of the spread of that information people stopped using their Note 7 devices, completely, most people probably turning them off/powering them down totally and just not messing with them again (this doesn't necessarily protect them from potential problems because at least 2 instances of the Note 7 exploding/burning up were attributed to devices that were totally powered down, I can't confirm that's absolute true and the stories are not false, I'm just saying that there were at least 2 reports worldwide of Note 7 devices having this problem that can't be replicated on demand when they were totally powered off according to the claimants)
- because of the spread of that information people contacted Samsung and their carriers and started returning their devices as requested by Samsung per the recall (a week ago it was still voluntary) - again, they stopped using them
- because of the spread of that information Samsung and the carriers started collecting the recalled units removing them from potential use and powering them down which may be their safest condition but it's not 100% safe for sure without any doubt whatsoever - that's why this recall is happening because no one can absolutely guarantee that any given Note 7 won't exhibit this problem so they have to sweep them all off the planet, plain and simple
I hope that helps with understanding why the number of incidents appears to be lower now as opposed to a week or even 2-4 weeks ago when this really got started. More people know about it, more people got more accurate info, got notifications from Samsung and their carriers about a potential safety hazard with the Note 7, and those people - the intelligent ones that understand this could prove to be a very serious problem if it happens to them - did what they were requested to do and because of that the total number of incidents that have happened is now lower due to those people taking action on their own parts to get things corrected.
I don't see why most people don't grasp this - I still see people blaming Samsung as though it's a conspiracy of sorts just to take away their Note 7's which is utter rubbish from any intelligent angle you can look at this situation from. Things happen, mistakes are made, other phones have had similar problems from time to time but in this situation with the Note 7 it happened almost at the time of release (a few weeks at most) and it happened with a higher frequency aka more people worldwide reporting on it.
If something happens once, it can sometimes be attributed to just a defect in that one unit, a mishap on the production line, someone not paying attention and making a mistake. If it happens to the same product in two or three devices of the same type, it could indicate a problem with the production again but contained to a respectable degree. When it happens a few dozen times, and not only that but when it causes the public to incur some damage to person or property, that's when it becomes a much more severe issue - it's that bridge of going from "oh, my device has a problem..." to "oh, my device just blew up and scorched my leg/pants/table/chair/sofa/bed/purse/backpack/dash of my car/etc..." that things take on a completely different situation.
tl;dr version: Not as many people are using the Note 7 today or in the past few days as there were a week ago, or two weeks ago, and so on. Really, that's the simplest answer of all.
See how that works? Hope this helps...
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I see that you took a long time to prepare all this
Even if it is a lot of good info here, still it doesn't answer few of my questions...
How come it never happened in any showroom, with the phones always charging and handled by a lot of people?
How come it never happened to any warehouse, hypothetically having hundreds of units in one place? Don't tell they were powered off...
How come this hysteria with fireproof boxes and gloves for the returns when we did not hear any single case of a phone catching fire during the shipping?
I could continue mentioning the lack of cases in Canada, Europe, Middle East, etc. but I don't plan to go polemic...
Still, everyone is free to read and understand the news in the way it serves his/her beliefs and concerns about the 'life' in general...
It might be that some people is not ready to 'buy' all that media is 'selling' to us and ask themselves a few extra questions, sometimes good ones, sometimes maybe not...
And, as for the number of phones still in use:
http://phandroid.com/2016/10/14/galaxy-note-7-use-after-recall/
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Typed it all off the top of my head as I pretty much always do.
Even if it is a lot of good info here, still it doesn't answer few of my questions...
How come it never happened in any showroom, with the phones always charging and handled by a lot of people?
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This goes along with my working theory:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/how-to/note-7-battery-issue-theory-progress-t3480235
related to the fact that the issue is more than likely caused by pressure on the case which is passed on to the battery itself which could result in the anode-cathode contact issue creating the thermal runaway. Just the fact that those showroom devices are handled by a lot of people doesn't equate to people using them in the real world: storing them in bags where they can be subject to external pressure(s) of various kinds, stuffed in a back pocket when people sit down (this happens so often it's scary), and other situations.
Also, consider that those kinds of devices are always plugged in when they're in a showroom or on a demo display which means they're never really charging - they stay in a constantly charged state with a minimal trickle at best. They're not having situations where they use the battery, then it needs to be recharged causing some heat stress, then they use the battery again, have to be recharged meaning heat cycling again, and so on. Typical usage means it's used, it's charged, it's used, it's charged, it's used, it's charged, you get the idea, right? Right?
I am 100% confident that the issues the Note 7 is having are not caused by heat nor are they directly attributable to heat itself inside the device. That's my opinion and I'm not pushing it on anybody.
How come it never happened to any warehouse, hypothetically having hundreds of units in one place? Don't tell they were powered off...
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Same reason I just stated: if the anode-cathode contact situation happens because of pressure on the battery (which is already barely able to fit inside the Note 7 as it is), packed down tightly, malformed by the packaging it uses, then wrapped on the edges by black electrical tape, crammed into that tiny space then it has pressure applied when the cover is on due to the sticky tape (as thin as it is that still causes pressure on the battery cell) then it must be considered as a potential for this happening. See the article in my theory where it shows info about the probably plate issues and the new production method of the Note 7 to get the symmetric glass top and bottom.
Again, my opinions but that have a basis in actual facts with respect to Li-Ion battery cell technology.
How come this hysteria with fireproof boxes and gloves for the returns when we did not hear any single case of a phone catching fire during the shipping?
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The Note 7 has exhibited a defect that has caused some devices to combust/explode/catch on fire so there's no "not really all that safe" way to do a recall - you go all the way and use the tools necessary and that means the custom boxes and gloves and everything related. We don't KNOW anything about potential issues with devices being shipped BACK at this point, that information is simply not available so you're speculating that nothing has happened since the 1st voluntary recall and now into the 2nd mandatory one. Samsung isn't necessarily going to advertise yet another failure but this time in a return package sent back to them, the shippers like FedEx and UPS aren't going to advertise they've had problems either - THAT is the kind of hysteria they don't need and to maintain public safety and not blow things out of proportion (pun intended) with respect to facts then all they're required to do is say the recall is underway and they're getting devices returned to them.
I could continue mentioning the lack of cases in Canada, Europe, Middle East, etc. but I don't plan to go polemic...
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You have no idea if any reports from Canada, Europe, Middle East, etc have actually been made at this point in time because Samsung has not made any public statements with a detailed accounting of all the reports they've received and will probably continue to receive as time passes. Nobody outside of Samsung and the respective carriers worldwide in said countries and perhaps the shippers would be aware of things - if you're going by the number of pictures posted online or the number of YouTube videos to judge the number of actually defective devices that have combust or exploded, you're just doing it wrong.
Still, everyone is free to read and understand the news in the way it serves his/her beliefs and concerns about the 'life' in general...
It might be that some people is not ready to 'buy' all that media is 'selling' to us and ask themselves a few extra questions, sometimes good ones, sometimes maybe not...
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That's entirely up to them, my opinion is fine, if you want to keep your Note 7 and continue using it, great, more power to you but don't come whining if and when you have issues with it. The Note 7 is dead, warranty service is dead, updates will not be forthcoming (aside from a potential one to brick devices, entirely possible so we'll see what happens), it is a black Pariah at this point and should be avoided - I for one won't tolerate people around me using a Note 7 if one happens to come near me, I'll flat out tell 'em to move away. I don't need more stupidity invading my space than I can tolerate (which is quite a lot, I assure you, but even I have limits).
Think of it this way: do you really think Samsung wants to be spending an estimated $5 billion in the coming weeks and months, losing billions and billions more in now lost sales potential, and then destroying every Note 7 they get back just because it's something to do? Suffering catastrophic damage to their financials for the next few quarters as well as their reputation and the basic demise of the Note brand altogether? I can assure you it's not just something to do, this is serious stuff and it's going to cost them more than their estimates are letting on, a lot more and not only just in a dollar amount and it's already happening.
And, as for the number of phones still in use:
http://phandroid.com/2016/10/14/galaxy-note-7-use-after-recall/
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Ok, so people continue to use their effectively dead no updates coming Note 7's, so... they'll figure it out sooner or later and move on, that much is a fact.
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The Phone Company said:
Some people will believe anything they read, either in mainstream news or rags such as 'The Verge'.
They may well be the ones who are duped.
Re: "Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same."
Solution? Solution to what exactly?
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So you are suggesting that Samsung decided TWICE to recall and then cease production of a perfectly healthy functional device and lose multi billions of euros just because of the media ?
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br0adband said:
I think you're trying to figure out randomness a little too tightly there. Is this type of incident predictable to any given level of confidence? No. Does it happen at unpredictable times? Yes. Has it happened in a wide geographical spread aka worldwide? Yes. Has it happened on original devices and also replacement models that use entirely different batteries that come from a completely different supplier? Yes.
By definition that would mean it's a random thing.
As for the "nothing happens" concept, that could be because people are not using their devices - and yes we know it has happened on devices that were entirely powered down and not charging which could lend some credibility towards it being a compression/pressure issue on the battery that causes the thermal runaway condition which can occur over time, not just in an instant when it's desired. Even so, not using a Note 7 can apparently be just as potentially hazardous as using one so, again, returning the device is plain old prudent and common sense.
Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same.
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And I think you don't understand what random means. Clearly *something* is causing this problem, which maybe far from random. It's simply that no-one has managed to figure out what the something is. Maybe EVERY Note 7 may at some point burst into flames. But it is equally possible that this is not the case, and only certain ones might do that. No-one knows yet.
And by the way, do we know exactly how many devices have spontaneously combusted whilst powered off? Probably not, but is it as many as were powered on? No, I think we can say with a high degree of confidence that it is not. We are talking one or two, or 4 or 5 maybe, out of a couple of hundred. If the "anode & cathode coming into contact" theory was correct, then it wouldn't make any difference whether the phone was powered on or off at the time, so this explanation seems very unlikely to me.