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Gauge of HTC USB cable

Anyone know what it is? The reason I ask is that I thought I was doing something wrong with my SBC kernels since charging wasn't always at the high mA I saw on some of my chargers. I noticed that when using the HTC cable I got the full strength of the charge, compared to the cable I chose from monoprice. I just want to make sure I buy the right one next time since I don't plan on buying all HTC cables.
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The wire gauge has nothing to do with it. The power supply in the charger needs to be designed for that kind of output. The HTC charger has a 1000mah power supply. Most of the cheap chargers you can buy a much much less.

I'm going to have to disagree with you. I know how to read chargers and I know how to measure their output. Hell, I can put one together with components from radio shack. And it's totally the cable.
I have a few chargers that are all 5v outputs. But the mA's are all different. I have a 1.5A, two 1.0As, and a 800 mA. I tested the HTC cable vs the monoprice cable on each one and the HTC cable consistently gets higher draw.
I know this seems like a nitpick for a USB cable, but there are times when I literally have 10 minutes to charge my phone and with the HTC cable I can charge up to 30% faster. I'm going to try my luck with another cable that monoprice has; a 28/24AWG cable. If that doesn't cut it, I'll just go ahead and keep using my cables; in the end that extra 30% isn't going to kill me.

Actually, the wire gauge and the length very likely do have something to do with it, and I've been having similar issues with my monoprice cables. Your point about the charger needing to support it is true, but on a given charger, I've seen quite a big difference between the OEM cable and the monoprice cables of various lengths. The phone sees them all as AC chargers, but I can unplug one cable and switch to another and see a big change.
As a rough made up example, I might get 750mA using the OEM 4ft cable. Monoprice's 6ft cable might only be able to pull 600mA, and their 10ft cable might only pull 400mA. Sometimes it's even more drastic than that.
Either wire gauge or length could affect the ability of the cable to transfer higher current. Monoprice does have a higher gauge of cable, and I've considered trying it out. However, they have a ferrite core on the end, which I'm not a big fan of. I may try one out to see though. I'm also not sure whether it's really a wire gauge issue or if it's more a factor of the longer length.

Are you talking about using the same power supply with a different piece of USB cable between it and the phone? Or the power supplies with the integrated usb cable?
If you're using the same power supply (wall wart with a USB port), then ya the cable just sucks.

MCL1981 said:
Are you talking about using the same power supply with a different piece of USB cable between it and the phone? Or the power supplies with the integrated usb cable?
If you're using the same power supply (wall wart with a USB port), then ya the cable just sucks.
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Same power supply, different cables. I've always had good luck with monoprice cables, and these do technically work. But I'd like to get faster charging. I'll either pick up one of their higher gauge ones (hate the ferrite cores) or try another brand.

Lost charger

Hi all,
I lost my charger unfortunately.
I did search around but found amazon out of stock.
Where can I buy the charger.
Thanks.

drpratik said:
Hi all,
I lost my charger unfortunately.
I did search around but found amazon out of stock.
Where can I buy the charger.
Thanks.
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http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-SPN5...SKM8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312842851&sr=8-1
http://cgi.ebay.com/Car-AC-Charger-...758129?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item588f078a71

Thanks a lot.

ANY charger that puts out 1000mA will work with it. Motorola makes "travel" wall chargers that sometimes go on sale for a buck, and have the plug folding into them so it takes less space in a bag. As long as it has a micro-USB plug or takes your USB cable, it will work, does not have to be specific for the phone.
The whole idea of microUSB chargers is part of a larger EU plan to allow for standard chargers with microUSB tips, so you can replace your cell phone but "never" have to replace the wall wart for it.
Just check the power output, most of the Motorola chargers put out 1000mA now because some phones with big batteries (like the Atrix) can use that power to charger quickly. Lower power rating, longer charge times.

You read my mind,
It was just the info I wanted to know.
Thanks.

Bear in mind though, not all micro usb chargers work on atrix. I have a few that dont work but work fine on my other stuff. Im not sure why though. I have an external battery that worked with my nexus one but not my atrix.
I voided my warranty.

Rred said:
ANY charger that puts out 1000mA will work with it.
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The one that comes with the phone in the US is 800ma actually. But as you said, 1000ma would charge it faster.

My atrix charger died so I'm currently using a blackberry charger with 750ma output. The iphone charger works too but it's a slower charge.

Whaddayaknow. The one supplied with my phone says 850mA, the one supplied with my bt earbud is 1000mA. Maybe someone at Motorola is paying attention to profits.<G>
But this is all part of why he industry is moving to standard chargers and why "all" standard chargers should work with standard phones. If a charger doesn't work with this phone, odds are it is too low power or simply a cheap piece of Chinese quality control which has one or more broken contacts in it.
I've gotten USB cables that have the same problem, charge or data not both. that isn't by design but at least one of the four wires in them was broken. Cheap cables is cheap cables--and I've seen cheap cables shipped as OEM from brand names.
Like cables from WD and possibly Moto that have the USB log on the wrong side of the plug--which means they are not entitled to use the logo at all, and the maker does not understand the USB spec.

If you live near a hotel, walk in and say that you left your phone charger in one of the rooms. They usually have boxes of forgotten chargers.

Thanks all for your help.
I started using lg micro USB charger which gives 700 ma.
Will get original one as well.
Thanks again.
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Go to monoprice.com and grab a dual USB / 3 port electrical outlet for like 3 bucks. Then stock up on 6-10ft micro USB cables for a buck a piece.
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Nice idea.
Will surely check out monoprice,
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HTC One Slow Charge

I use a 2m aftermarket cable to charge my htc one in the bedroom, genuine short cable I keep for the car but I need a long cable for bedroom. Can you get a long genuine htc cable. Or how about if i use the original cable along with a usb extension, will it still flag as slow charging and fake charger...?

My usb extension shows is fake smoke charging recommend using HTC charger is message I get don't know if it's because of the brand of USB cable or if there is one that will work
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mrblue123 said:
I use a 2m aftermarket cable to charge my htc one in the bedroom, genuine short cable I keep for the car but I need a long cable for bedroom. Can you get a long genuine htc cable. Or how about if i use the original cable along with a usb extension, will it still flag as slow charging and fake charger...?
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The cable you bought is a data cable, 28awg cable. You need 24awg if you want it to charge like a normal cable.

mrblue123 said:
I use a 2m aftermarket cable to charge my htc one in the bedroom, genuine short cable I keep for the car but I need a long cable for bedroom. Can you get a long genuine htc cable. Or how about if i use the original cable along with a usb extension, will it still flag as slow charging and fake charger...?
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Are you using an HTC OEM AC to USB charger? If you are not, then that might be why you are getting that slow charge message.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Black-3M...lePhoneAccessories&hash=item4ac6fe6c32&_uhb=1
i've got this and it charges really well, takes about an hour to charge from ~50%.
however it could be a combination of this cable and the Anker 5Port 40w charger.

Finding it hard to get a cheap cable in the UK. Amazon UK is near £30. I have found this one which specifies 28/24 but is still quite expensive...anybody see any cheaper for 28/24awg...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230910056755?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

xCal1bur said:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Black-3M...lePhoneAccessories&hash=item4ac6fe6c32&_uhb=1
i've got this and it charges really well, takes about an hour to charge from ~50%.
however it could be a combination of this cable and the Anker 5Port 40w charger.
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It probably is a 24awg cable. Not because of the charger since the the current would be limited by the thickness of the cable. Like I said, it's a simple case of buying the correct cable. OP your phone will charge slow with a DATA cable which is usually 28/28AWG. You need 24/28AWG (24 for 5V and 28AWG for data transfer). A good google search will find you these quite easily. Amazon is probably best bet

To be honest..
I probably wouldnt bother with thicker cables. I mean it will help but only a small amount. Install a Kernal like elementalX to enable the qualcomm fast-charge feature that HTC suppresses stock.

22 AWG okay for charging ?
CYNiCAL2KX said:
It probably is a 24awg cable. Not because of the charger since the the current would be limited by the thickness of the cable. Like I said, it's a simple case of buying the correct cable. OP your phone will charge slow with a DATA cable which is usually 28/28AWG. You need 24/28AWG (24 for 5V and 28AWG for data transfer). A good google search will find you these quite easily. Amazon is probably best bet
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Hi, thanks for the information. My stock usb cable is broke now. i understand the phone requires 25awg for fast charge. i happen to fine a long cable of 22awg. will this work for M7 ? here is the link to it .. just wanted to make sure before i make the purchase.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/PortaPow-250...ories_MobilePhoneChargers&hash=item3388c6b27f
Thanks

CupiD101 said:
Hi, thanks for the information. My stock usb cable is broke now. i understand the phone requires 25awg for fast charge. i happen to fine a long cable of 22awg. will this work for M7 ? here is the link to it .. just wanted to make sure before i make the purchase.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/PortaPow-250...ories_MobilePhoneChargers&hash=item3388c6b27f
Thanks
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Yeah that'd work fine
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APTXDAVE said:
I probably wouldnt bother with thicker cables. I mean it will help but only a small amount. Install a Kernal like elementalX to enable the qualcomm fast-charge feature that HTC suppresses stock.
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No, they make a lot of difference. What he bought, is a USB cable initially, one which probably wasn't advertised as a 'charging cable' more a data cable. So they have a much thinner wire because 5v is not going through. Your average USB charging cable provided for mobile phones is 24AWG, with 28AWG cable for data, 'data only cables' off ebay are 28AWG and 28AWG (higher the number, thinner the wire), these take hours to fully charge a phone

fastcharge
If you are rooted, kernels like ElementalX and TeamSeven gives you the ability to activate USB fastcharge. Might help you if you experience slow charging

charger + cable for the oneplus 1

Just wanted to know what are specs for the charger/cable. I can get tons of aftermarket chargers for my ip4 at a buck or two at the most from asian sellers from asia. am I right that I simply need a 2a charger, with a mini usb cable at the end? just looking into getting extra for when they decide to release it to the public.

Here ya go

truckroot said:
Here ya go
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Sweet! thanks buddy.
cable is a regular mini or micro usb at the end?

rocketman122 said:
Sweet! thanks buddy.
cable is a regular mini or micro usb at the end?
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Micro. Ur welcome!

oneplus cable are specially made, I tried using third party cable, it will double your charge time from 2hours to roughly 4.5hours.

tpboi said:
oneplus cable are specially made, I tried using third party cable, it will double your charge time from 2hours to roughly 4.5hours.
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Haven't tried a third party one yet, thx for the heads up?

tpboi said:
oneplus cable are specially made, I tried using third party cable, it will double your charge time from 2hours to roughly 4.5hours.
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U tried oneplus charger and 3rd party cable? or u tried 3rd party charger too? maybe charger wasnt 2A capable.

carlesbc said:
U tried oneplus charger and 3rd party cable? or u tried 3rd party charger too? maybe charger wasnt 2A capable.
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Anyone tried to trace pinout yet? IIRC, I read somewhere 2 of the pins in the cable were shorted, signaling to the OP that it was to take quick charge. I'll try to find that. The same article / post discussed temp sensor limiting amount of charge since the OP would get hot. Not as quick as true fast charge, but faster than standard.
edit: found it: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/vooc-charging-seems-to-be-working.12639/ by one of XDA's well known devs, @graffixnyc - Thanks Patrick!

Lipo can explode if you hot too much or overcharges, google "lipo explosion"

I have a question. If you use the OPO charger, but plug a usb extender into it(and the OPO cable goes into a usb female at the end of the extender cable), does does having that non-OPO cable in the chain slow things down? Mine does seem to charge slow, but I've honestly never connected the OPO cable directly from the charger to the phone to compare. I honestly don't understand how anyone could use it like that (or any other cable coming with a phone). Not even long enough to stretch from an outlet to a table top if the outlet is right next to the table. My Dell Venue 8 Pro cable is amazing(ly ridiculous). It's maybe a foot long. I guess they expect us to charge our devices on the floor? With the DV8P case the cable would barely even reach the floor!

i can confirm that using the OPO wall charger with a 3rd party usb cable does result in a slower charge time. I tried 2 different cables-- both were of different gauges and lengths-- both resulted in different charge times and were all at least 2-3x slower then the OPO cable. anybody with knowledge as to what kind of cable OPO is using and where we can buy longer versions?

cmo23 said:
i can confirm that using the OPO wall charger with a 3rd party usb cable does result in a slower charge time. I tried 2 different cables-- both were of different gauges and lengths-- both resulted in different charge times and were all at least 2-3x slower then the OPO cable. anybody with knowledge as to what kind of cable OPO is using and where we can buy longer versions?
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I can also confirm slower charging using the stock charger with aftermarket cable. But most of my cables are cheaper, is it possible that the gauge of the wire inside the cable is higher on opo cable? Allowing more amps through?
Also, @effluent , if using an aftermarket cable slows things down, I'm assuming putting an extension in the middle will have very similar negative impacts.
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Here:
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...ne+usb&catId=&initiative_id=AS_20140821164650
And here:
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...harger&catId=&initiative_id=AS_20140821164948

You want a charger cable that won't fail.... Stop buying them online. I've bought them everywhere online and they just can't compete with the usb/charger cable from tmobile.... Maybe be the same for other service providers. Plus you get 30 days to refund or exchange.... So you know after a month if it's worth it which it is.... Those teeth won't sit down and ruin the quality of the charge like 90 percent of the cables online.
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I suggest you have a look here :
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/oneplus-one-charging-cable-alternative.68517/

flame360 said:
I suggest you have a look here :
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/oneplus-one-charging-cable-alternative.68517/
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Seconded. I learned everything I needed to know there! :good:

Cable is way to small I hate it.
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opo cable
On dx . com store..
Bolongking USB Male to Micro USB Male Charging Flat Cable

beastlykings said:
I can also confirm slower charging using the stock charger with aftermarket cable. But most of my cables are cheaper, is it possible that the gauge of the wire inside the cable is higher on opo cable? Allowing more amps through?
Also, @effluent , if using an aftermarket cable slows things down, I'm assuming putting an extension in the middle will have very similar negative impacts.
Sent via quantum entanglement, focused through my OnePlus One.
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You just have to find the right cable. I went through this same thing with my galaxy s5. I got the application "galaxy charging current" and compared the milliamps of all my cables. Some would only do 4-500 ma. Some would do 1800ma. It just depends on the cable. I'm using the cable I got with a ps4 right now, and it will do 1800, and it's 4 feet long.
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Try a fast-charge cable, it has the correct pinout (shorted pins) for fast charging.
www<DOT>amazon.co.uk/dp/B0088HTYUE
And you can't overcharge, it's the phone that demands the current, not the charger that pushes the current through the phone. The phone's charging circuit protects the phone for overcharging and handshakes the right charging current with the connected charger. Charging Android is quiet a complex thing...
Also very very useful: PortaPow USB Power Monitor:
www<DOT>amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DF2485S
(ps can't post links yet, grr..)

[Q] Best Charger for OPO

So I'm looking to buy some additional chargers for my OPO. But unfortunately you cannot buy the official charger seperatly. Are there any 3rd party chargers that work just as well? I have a few at home that just don't seem to charge the phone fast enough (also, I think it does not hold the charge as long with these chargers, but that could be the placebo effect.) What should I be looking for in a good charger? Is the wall piece more important that the USB cord. Does the type of USB cord even matter if the wall piece has the right "specs". Any suggestions for chargers to buy (preferably on Amazon since I have Prime).
Thanks for the help!

Definitely look got chargers with high A. I noticed that on my old chargers were the A was 1.3, it would not charge the phone or would charge very slowly. The stock charger is great, I use a different USB cable so it's longer in length.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo.../hands-best-fastest-cheapest-nexus-5-t2729066 is a good charger, for $5 you can get two of them. They're 1.8A slightly less than the stock oneplus one charger but works very well and the length is very long and is cheap.
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zephiK said:
Definitely look got chargers with high A. I noticed that on my old chargers were the A was 1.3, it would not charge the phone or would charge very slowly. The stock charger is great, I use a different USB cable so it's longer in length.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo.../hands-best-fastest-cheapest-nexus-5-t2729066 is a good charger, for $5 you can get two of them. They're 1.8A slightly less than the stock oneplus one charger but works very well and the length is very long and is cheap.
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What is the stock details of the OEM chargers? Not got mine yet and I usually use some old HTC chargers which are 5V/1amp

Cool, thanks man.
I just used that link and unfortunately ( I found more for a few more $ but I can wait.) they are unavailable at this time but ill keep my eye open.

EddyOS said:
What is the stock details of the OEM chargers? Not got mine yet and I usually use some old HTC chargers which are 5V/1amp
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5v=2a
yeah most of mine are around 1a

The galaxy S4 and up chargers are 2A. If you can find some around somewhere.

The OnePlus charger is a 2A 5V part and the included USB cable charges it relatively fast. However, the small length of the cable pissed me off.
I ended up getting 2 of these - http://www.siig.com/it-products/it-accessories/mobile-phone-accessories/3-1a-ac-dc-usb-charger.html . It has a little 1A USB charge port addon for use in the car's 12V port. The main USB port on the charger is a 2.1A port if I remember correctly. Charges as fast or faster than the OnePlus charger included.
The charger has a little removable two-prong plug (like the Apple chargers) and you can stick any random two-pin power cord on this end, basically giving you as much length as you need. That's what I liked a lot about these. Annoying thing though is the blue LED, a bit bright but nothing electrical tape won't fix.
EDIT: Use any charging-only cable, one of the Samsung 2A cables or the Oneplus One cable itself for fast chargng.

I just got this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GTGETFG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
and this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004GF8TIK/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
coupled they are killer. The anker hub is amazing...will provide PLENTY of power to anything plugged into it, and the mediabridge cable is 24 AWG, so it can handle the 2amp that the phone requires...plus it's very long.

the blackberry playbook chargers work great. they have long cords and are < $5 on amazon.
i ordered these: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00K8HY132/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
they charge fast and work well.