Anyone know what it is? The reason I ask is that I thought I was doing something wrong with my SBC kernels since charging wasn't always at the high mA I saw on some of my chargers. I noticed that when using the HTC cable I got the full strength of the charge, compared to the cable I chose from monoprice. I just want to make sure I buy the right one next time since I don't plan on buying all HTC cables.
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The wire gauge has nothing to do with it. The power supply in the charger needs to be designed for that kind of output. The HTC charger has a 1000mah power supply. Most of the cheap chargers you can buy a much much less.
I'm going to have to disagree with you. I know how to read chargers and I know how to measure their output. Hell, I can put one together with components from radio shack. And it's totally the cable.
I have a few chargers that are all 5v outputs. But the mA's are all different. I have a 1.5A, two 1.0As, and a 800 mA. I tested the HTC cable vs the monoprice cable on each one and the HTC cable consistently gets higher draw.
I know this seems like a nitpick for a USB cable, but there are times when I literally have 10 minutes to charge my phone and with the HTC cable I can charge up to 30% faster. I'm going to try my luck with another cable that monoprice has; a 28/24AWG cable. If that doesn't cut it, I'll just go ahead and keep using my cables; in the end that extra 30% isn't going to kill me.
Actually, the wire gauge and the length very likely do have something to do with it, and I've been having similar issues with my monoprice cables. Your point about the charger needing to support it is true, but on a given charger, I've seen quite a big difference between the OEM cable and the monoprice cables of various lengths. The phone sees them all as AC chargers, but I can unplug one cable and switch to another and see a big change.
As a rough made up example, I might get 750mA using the OEM 4ft cable. Monoprice's 6ft cable might only be able to pull 600mA, and their 10ft cable might only pull 400mA. Sometimes it's even more drastic than that.
Either wire gauge or length could affect the ability of the cable to transfer higher current. Monoprice does have a higher gauge of cable, and I've considered trying it out. However, they have a ferrite core on the end, which I'm not a big fan of. I may try one out to see though. I'm also not sure whether it's really a wire gauge issue or if it's more a factor of the longer length.
Are you talking about using the same power supply with a different piece of USB cable between it and the phone? Or the power supplies with the integrated usb cable?
If you're using the same power supply (wall wart with a USB port), then ya the cable just sucks.
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Are you talking about using the same power supply with a different piece of USB cable between it and the phone? Or the power supplies with the integrated usb cable?
If you're using the same power supply (wall wart with a USB port), then ya the cable just sucks.
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Same power supply, different cables. I've always had good luck with monoprice cables, and these do technically work. But I'd like to get faster charging. I'll either pick up one of their higher gauge ones (hate the ferrite cores) or try another brand.
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I've been using a mix of old and new USB cables for charging and have noticed that some micro USBs from my Blackberry days will charge the TB but VERY slowly, even using the wall charger.
I want to order some more fast charging USB cables, but how do I identify the difference? What IS the actual difference between the cables?
Thanks!
Usb charging is normally slower than AC wall charging. Most cables are designed exactly the same but some chargers are suited for more amperage per hour. I'd recommend downloading the app -"battery monitor widget" and plugging in your charger and seeing what type of miliamp per hour rating you're getting off of that particular usb port. If the port is in front of the computer, normally those get slightly less voltage than the main ones in the back. Also If you're rooted make sure you aren't on an old outdated kernel that has trickle charge coding thats messed up. I normally get 500-800ma/h based off the AC wall chargers, and anywhere depending on what computer (Work vs Home) USB ports anywhere from like 150-350ma/h. Hope that little tidbit helps.
It is a bit complicted.
When you simply apply power, the Thunderbolt (and most micro USB phone) charges at a slow rate. I have measured this at around 350ma max on the Bolt. This is mainly because the USB port power standard on a PC is 500ma max. They need to stay under that.
By the micro USB standard, if you tie the two USB data lines (D- and D+) together, then the Thunderbolt goes into a fast charge mode. I have seen around 850ma max. You can place a piece of aluminum foil on the charger end (large USB) to short out the two center pins only and switch it to high rate.
Some cables tie the two wires together. Those are fast charge only cables that you can't used for a USB connection. Some chargers tie the two wires together. So they fast charge with any USB cable.
What gets complicated is that of course the charger needs to be capable of about 1 amp for the fast charge to work. AND, some cables use such small wire diameter, that they can't carry the high current rate. I have a couple of cheap cables that even on the fast rate, only carry around 300ma.
AND, if you have time, charge at the low rate. The battery and phone will run cooler, and the battery will last longer. My overnight charger is the lowest rate that I can get by with. But I need to use a super high rate when using the GPS on my motorcycle to keep up with the bright screen and such.
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It is a bit complicted.
By the micro USB standard, if you tie the two USB data lines (D- and D+) together, then the Thunderbolt goes into a fast charge mode. I have seen around 850ma max. You can place a piece of aluminum foil on the charger end (large USB) to short out the two center pins only and switch it to high rate.
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I did this for my CaseMate battery backup and was able to get 800ma charging from it...
If you are just looking for a good car charger, i highly recommend the Motorola Rapid Charger from amazon, they are about $5 shipped. Those charge at the AC "Fast Charge" rate.
converting usb standard to fast-charging
Basically, the cable that came with my tablet, which allowed fast-charging, crapped out. I bought what I thought was the same cable and it still didn't work the right way. In searching through the forums, a a phrase hit me... two-pin fast charging cable. Seeing that, I took a small knife and a pair of needle-nose pliers and extracted the two inner pins( data pins) from he USB side of my cable. The cable, without the data pins, became a dedicated fast-charging cable. I have done this process with three cables so far to see if it was a fluke and every one is capable of fast-charging. I hope anybody that has been hitting the wall on this, reads this, because I was getting very frustrated with the convulated answers some people were giving to address this (especially from Munich!). Try it out, you can bury me in ashes if it doesn't work for you!!!
It's not the cable, it's the brick you're using. My nexus 7 charging brick has a higher output than my tbolt brick, so I use my n7's to charge it in a fraction of the time. Never rely on your computer's usb port to charge your device especially if it's your daily driver
Hi all,
I lost my charger unfortunately.
I did search around but found amazon out of stock.
Where can I buy the charger.
Thanks.
drpratik said:
Hi all,
I lost my charger unfortunately.
I did search around but found amazon out of stock.
Where can I buy the charger.
Thanks.
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http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-SPN5...SKM8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312842851&sr=8-1
http://cgi.ebay.com/Car-AC-Charger-...758129?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item588f078a71
Thanks a lot.
ANY charger that puts out 1000mA will work with it. Motorola makes "travel" wall chargers that sometimes go on sale for a buck, and have the plug folding into them so it takes less space in a bag. As long as it has a micro-USB plug or takes your USB cable, it will work, does not have to be specific for the phone.
The whole idea of microUSB chargers is part of a larger EU plan to allow for standard chargers with microUSB tips, so you can replace your cell phone but "never" have to replace the wall wart for it.
Just check the power output, most of the Motorola chargers put out 1000mA now because some phones with big batteries (like the Atrix) can use that power to charger quickly. Lower power rating, longer charge times.
You read my mind,
It was just the info I wanted to know.
Thanks.
Bear in mind though, not all micro usb chargers work on atrix. I have a few that dont work but work fine on my other stuff. Im not sure why though. I have an external battery that worked with my nexus one but not my atrix.
I voided my warranty.
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ANY charger that puts out 1000mA will work with it.
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The one that comes with the phone in the US is 800ma actually. But as you said, 1000ma would charge it faster.
My atrix charger died so I'm currently using a blackberry charger with 750ma output. The iphone charger works too but it's a slower charge.
Whaddayaknow. The one supplied with my phone says 850mA, the one supplied with my bt earbud is 1000mA. Maybe someone at Motorola is paying attention to profits.<G>
But this is all part of why he industry is moving to standard chargers and why "all" standard chargers should work with standard phones. If a charger doesn't work with this phone, odds are it is too low power or simply a cheap piece of Chinese quality control which has one or more broken contacts in it.
I've gotten USB cables that have the same problem, charge or data not both. that isn't by design but at least one of the four wires in them was broken. Cheap cables is cheap cables--and I've seen cheap cables shipped as OEM from brand names.
Like cables from WD and possibly Moto that have the USB log on the wrong side of the plug--which means they are not entitled to use the logo at all, and the maker does not understand the USB spec.
If you live near a hotel, walk in and say that you left your phone charger in one of the rooms. They usually have boxes of forgotten chargers.
Thanks all for your help.
I started using lg micro USB charger which gives 700 ma.
Will get original one as well.
Thanks again.
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Go to monoprice.com and grab a dual USB / 3 port electrical outlet for like 3 bucks. Then stock up on 6-10ft micro USB cables for a buck a piece.
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Nice idea.
Will surely check out monoprice,
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I've read that some 3rd party cables/chargers only appear as DC due to not having shorted data wires but that doesn't explain what I'm experiencing.
I have an official HTC mains plug and car socket plug and when I use the included USB cable I get full power charging of upto about 800ma with phone on. However, with both, if I use 3rd party cables it still shows as AC but I barely get 3rd of that, say up to about 300 max.
What would be causing this and any tips on a reliable source of official cables in the UK so I can be sure of getting full power when using other chargers etc?
Are you sure the cables are shorted?
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Are you sure the cables are shorted?
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check this i have a few cables usb cables that give AC charging.
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Are you sure the cables are shorted?
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No. But the HTC ones can't be either as they are also data cables yet they still give full power unlike the 3rd party cables, - even though they are plugged into the same plug. It doesn't make any logical sense.
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The official charger unit from HTC have an Hardware different. To charge with full power you need an original one!
There are a few other Provider they do the same. For example Samsung:
mobi-test.de/allgemein/aus-samsungs-trickkiste-nur-original-ladegerate-liefern-volle-leistung/
This is an easy answer. They want you to buy their cable. It's the exact same reason that laptop companies might design a proprietary shaped plug. If it breaks, they want you to buy from them to increase their profit margin.
****ty, but a fact of life.
1) there is NO difference in cabling. You can use any cable with MicroUSB, it makes no difference.
2) the official charger has the data pins shorted, but so do other chargers - for example my Nokia charger (rated up to 5V/1200mA) charges the phone exactly the same as the HTC one. I prefer the nokia charger because it has much thinner cable and doesn't heat up nearly as much as the original charger.
It is possible there are chargers with pins shorted but rated for <1A, they will either withstand it, blow some magic smoke or stop working after a while.
are there any cheap charging cables out there? in white would be perfect!
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1) there is NO difference in cabling. You can use any cable with MicroUSB, it makes no difference.
2) the official charger has the data pins shorted, but so do other chargers - for example my Nokia charger (rated up to 5V/1200mA) charges the phone exactly the same as the HTC one. I prefer the nokia charger because it has much thinner cable and doesn't heat up nearly as much as the original charger.
It is possible there are chargers with pins shorted but rated for <1A, they will either withstand it, blow some magic smoke or stop working after a while.
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HTC modify the Cable to charge with only 500mA, if there is no original One. It doesent matter how much Power the Charger will have. With unofficial Cable it will only use 500mA.
Maybe this effect will only happen on original Kernel.
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I am looking for a really long charging cable. I know about mediabridge, however I am looking for something longer. It needs to be minimum of 8ft. It needs to be a high speed charging cable. Data is nice but not necessary. HTC's OEM cable is amazing, but I need a cable which is at least 8ft. I have looked at previous forums for this and have not found anything, that is why I am posting. PRICE IS NOT A CONCERN, I'll pay $20 for such a cable, it just needs to be good and high quality and have rapid charging. Thanks.
like this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...kwCjCV1-CjCE&gclid=CIH06pT_2bgCFc2_3god-lsALg
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I am looking for a really long charging cable. I know about mediabridge, however I am looking for something longer. It needs to be minimum of 8ft. It needs to be a high speed charging cable. Data is nice but not necessary. HTC's OEM cable is amazing, but I need a cable which is at least 8ft. I have looked at previous forums for this and have not found anything, that is why I am posting. PRICE IS NOT A CONCERN, I'll pay $20 for such a cable, it just needs to be good and high quality and have rapid charging. Thanks.
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Plenty on Amazon. Lengths usually go 3, 6, then 10 feet.
I see a few for 5-8 dollars with prime.
Could also go go monoprice.com
Seems like you didn't search very hard.
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Monoprice.com has many lengths of cables at very cheap prices.
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shapiro1234567890 said:
I am looking for a really long charging cable. I know about mediabridge, however I am looking for something longer. It needs to be minimum of 8ft. It needs to be a high speed charging cable. Data is nice but not necessary. HTC's OEM cable is amazing, but I need a cable which is at least 8ft. I have looked at previous forums for this and have not found anything, that is why I am posting. PRICE IS NOT A CONCERN, I'll pay $20 for such a cable, it just needs to be good and high quality and have rapid charging. Thanks.
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You really gotta search some more. Amazon has GREAT cables, but mediabridge is probably the best. I have a few of these myself. How are you saying that you need longer cables? Mediabridge has a 10ft cable and you said you only need a 8ft one? Also, rapid charging is mostly a concern of the charger itself and not the cable (unless the cable quality is absolute crap).
Yeah it may be easy to find long cables, but it's not so easy to find ones that charge as well/fast as the short, authentic HTC ones. I'd also be interested in this - did anyone already buy and experience a quickly charging, long cable?
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Yeah it may be easy to find long cables, but it's not so easy to find ones that charge as well/fast as the short, authentic HTC ones. I'd also be interested in this - did anyone already buy and experience a quickly charging, long cable?
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Placebo. Wires don't charge faster or slower. You might have a better connection or so with a gold plated connector, but it's no different if the wire is from china or if it's an authentic HTC one. There is LITERALLY no difference between the original HTC wire, the mediabridge 10ft wire, 6ft wire, or the coiled 2ft wire all of which I own at least when we're talking about charging time.
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Placebo. Wires don't charge faster or slower. You might have a better connection or so with a gold plated connector, but it's no different if the wire is from china or if it's an authentic HTC one. There is LITERALLY no difference between the original HTC wire, the mediabridge 10ft wire, 6ft wire, or the coiled 2ft wire all of which I own at least when we're talking about charging time.
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There is a difference. My eBay 6ft wire charges about 3-4x slower than the authentic HTC one. 8-9hrs vs 2-3hrs is no placebo.
My bad, I should clarify. There is no difference between real, quality usb wires. Like I said, you brought a crappy cable from eBay. You can google this if you're so inclined. There's no difference between two real usb cables. Also, "real" usb cables often have the usb certification logo on them.
Tldr; buy from a reputable seller that has good reviews. Should be little to no difference in charging.
Protip: Don't buy usb cables longer than 16ft
That's better - I didn't know there was such thing as USB certification. Basically don't trust eBay unless the product is genuine/expensive. Better off going to some big-name company like best buy.
Years ago people were wholly convinced that every and all cables are the same, which is just not true. Somehow some knock-off cables have some slow charging wires or whatever. Don't know how or why, but just a warning that if you buy some random cheap cable off eBay, it might not work nearly as well as a genuine product.
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That's better - I didn't know there was such thing as USB certification. Basically don't trust eBay unless the product is genuine/expensive. Better off going to some big-name company like best buy.
Years ago people were wholly convinced that every and all cables are the same, which is just not true. Somehow some knock-off cables have some slow charging wires or whatever. Don't know how or why, but just a warning that if you buy some random cheap cable off eBay, it might not work nearly as well as a genuine product.
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Technically speaking, it all depends on the materials they used and how the wires are enclosed. I would say most of the cables you see are indeed pretty much the same, but I generally do buy things from eBay. It could've just been a fluke. I haven't had to change or buy new usb cables in a while, but in no way would I recommend getting a big-name wire like monster or whatever from your local electronics shop. Amazon should be fine if you read the reviews.
I also recommend Monoprice.com's cables. Variety of cable lengths and great customer service. No point to risk and sift through random eBay or Amazon offerings.
Monoprice 10ft 28/28AWG cable. Using the stock HTC charger. No difference in charging time.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5139&seq=1&format=2
Never cheap out on chargers, been hearing shocking stories lol. Use the USB with the HTC adapter provided. I got a 10ft tangle-free micro USB and works great.
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Sorry but I think you're wrong....
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Placebo. Wires don't charge faster or slower. You might have a better connection or so with a gold plated connector, but it's no different if the wire is from china or if it's an authentic HTC one. There is LITERALLY no difference between the original HTC wire, the mediabridge 10ft wire, 6ft wire, or the coiled 2ft wire all of which I own at least when we're talking about charging time.
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Some USB Cables, while charging (on the same Adapter) generates an note on the screen... that the charge is very slow...
in addition I tested a few USB cables that do charge...but do not transmit data properly...
the Original HTC that came with the phone is some how unique....
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Some USB Cables, while charging (on the same Adapter) generates an note on the screen... that the charge is very slow...
in addition I tested a few USB cables that do charge...but do not transmit data properly...
the Original HTC that came with the phone is some how unique....
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The original cable is not unique. It's just a normal microUSB cable. There are charging-only microUSB cables (often included in external battery chargers) and there are also badly-made cables, but the One's cable is nothing special.
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The original cable is not unique. It's just a normal microUSB cable. There are charging-only microUSB cables (often included in external battery chargers) and there are also badly-made cables, but the One's cable is nothing special.
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Some USB Cables, while charging (on the same Adapter) generates an note on the screen... that the charge is very slow...
in addition I tested a few USB cables that do charge...but do not transmit data properly...
the Original HTC that came with the phone is some how unique....
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Like I said, placebo. All certified wires that charge + usb transfer should have very minimal differences. You either get crappy cables, or you don't. The only problem I've ever had is the connectors falling apart. Never had a usb cable that charged my phone slower using the same adapter and I've had quite a few different cables from eBay, Amazon, etc.
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Like I said, placebo. All certified wires that charge + usb transfer should have very minimal differences.
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You'd think people would realize why this is important. Imagine how many devices you would eventually kill with wires of varying draw.
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You'd think people would realize why this is important. Imagine how many devices you would eventually kill with wires of varying draw.
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People just like to see things that aren't there. Some people just want to convince themselves that the shiny gold plated, carbon fiber monster cables are worth the 5000% or whatever ridiculous markup.
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Some USB Cables, while charging (on the same Adapter) generates an note on the screen... that the charge is very slow...
in addition I tested a few USB cables that do charge...but do not transmit data properly...
the Original HTC that came with the phone is some how unique....
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Better check a 5pin USB cable vs a 4pin USB cable... that's probably your problem. I got that all the time with my crappy rosewill cable once that I bought from newegg.
4pin vs 5pin makes a huge difference... especially when an OEM charger is at 2mA rating
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I have been having trouble recently with my galaxy s3 charging extremely slowly. Every since the OEM cable broke, I have tried to find replacements that charge at 1amp. The only cable that does this is the monoprice premium micro usb cable 6ft, but it breaks quite easily. I have also tried the 28awg 6ft monoprice cables, which were pathetic and charged at 100ma. This was all plugged into the OEM 1a wall charger fyi.
I have heard that the 24awg cables with ferrite core charges at a full 1 amp because the cables are thicker, but what I don't understand is that the OEM and premium monoprice cables both charge at 1100mah but are really thin compared to even the 28awg cable. The OEM and monoprice cables don't have specifications printed on them. I had always thought that generic usb cables were the same as OEM cables, and would charge at the same speed, unless there's something wrong with my micro usb port or phone.
I have tried looking for solutions but the answers on most forums are people asking why their phone charges slow when it is plugged into a usb port, and everyone just replies that the usb port output is limited to 500mah, but I am using the oem ac adapter and it's still slow. Only the premium monoprice cable charges full speed but its very poor in quality, the rubber cable separates from the plastic micro usb head, and it breaks. I have had 3 of these premium cables break in less than a weak and only 1 of them works, for now.
Is it my phone's micro usb port? I tried charging it using CM10.1 as well as Touchwiz 4.1.2, but they all charge slowly from the generic cables so it can't be the rom. I don't remember having any of these problems when I first bought the phone on ICS, and I don't see many posts on slow charging.
Is there a cheap, reliable cable that charges at a full 1 amp out there? Most people I've seen had suggested monoprice cables but their 6 foot micro usb cables have changed recently and are really, really bad. I guess the ferrite core cable might work, but I have yet to try it, and I am not fond of the idea of a thick 24awg cable and a big ferrite core sticking out of my phone.
First of all, do you have Galaxy Charging current app? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.abmantis.galaxychargingcurrent.free - I think it's free for N2 and S4, but you have to pay $0.99 for S3 (I use it for free on my N2, but a buddy of mine had to pay to use it on his S3). That app will give you an idea of what's going on. You can also check out Charging Doctor I reviewed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2451375
Second, charging speed is a combination of both a charger and a cable. The only way to guarantee full 1A/2A output without high resistance which contributes to a drop of charging speed is to use thick wired cables like 24AWG as you correctly pointed out. But with wall chargers - just because they state 1A you will NOT actually get 1A due to efficiency losses. You know how your charger gets warm? That due to AC/DC conversion inefficiency which results in drop of speed and release of energy in a form of a heat. I personally don't trust labels on cheap chargers and also over the time even an efficiency of a trusted converter will go down. I have reviewed a lot of Anker batteries and chargers (check out review link in my signature), and those are the one I highly recommend.
What I would recommend getting one of these trusted 2A chargers and use 24AWG cable and check it with Charging Current app. If you are still seeing a very slow charging speed it means your micro usb connector is wearing off or loosing a contact with a main printed wiring board (pwb) inside of the phone.