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New Forums on XDA?

Hey Everyone,
As mentioned in my earlier post (please read if you have not yet already), we are considering adding non-HTC forums to the site, and are curious to hear which ones should be first. We're considering devices such as the Motorola Droid/CLIQ, plus the Samsung Omnia II and/or Acer neoTouch. What are your thoughts? We're listening!
P.S. The below excerpt is taken from my first post, and should help answer some questions.
svetius; said:
Finally-- and hopefully this doesn't cause a mass uproar-- we are considering the idea of selectively adding non-HTC device forums (focused on Windows Mobile and Android devices). Every day we get requests from users for this, and there's really no good reason why we cannot oblige them. Already the discussion is happening in the general forums. That said, we will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.
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MOD EDIT - The following devices are due to be added Thursday morning (CET time):
Acer neoTouch F1 S200
Acer Liquid A1 S100
Samsung Omnia II
Toshiba TG01
There may be a slight delay in adding these so no more request for the above devices

HP iPAQ HX4700
HP iPAQ HX4700, even though it is a HTC made device, would love to have a forum for it, willing to moderate as i have plenty of spare time
Much Thanks
Badwolve1
PS, YES!!! Second Post on both threads

Long overdue!
At last !
This is a very nice forum, resourceful , frequented by the "developers" yet user/noob friendly.
People like me were / are dismayed when requests-questions for non HTC devices are placed in the hacking forum where you just cannot keep track of the threads.
More and more WM/android based devices are launched now and we should have a separate forum for them.
Maybe we can first demand a few requests for a particular device before starting a dedicated forum so that it would not fizzle out in the long run and the whole site becomes cluttered unneccessarily.

From my experience, the most requested one is: Omnia

I think the droid should make the first entry, its really popular. But thats just my opinion.

hell,whose idea was this...??
you are breaking our firs tenant which says "made by a firm called HTC"
we stood for the idea for a long time and prevented such forums to be crated and now comes some "user experience admin" who works for the "unhappy samsung motorola crowd" selling some controversial ideas
come on people,don't be ridiculous...
GREAT,just great....you could also say hello to iPhone and crappy nokias....which we fought for a long time.......great job traitor

Yes, OMNIA II and why not iPhone?

An i780 forum won't be bad too. This is the best site for i780 even if it's not (yet) officialy supported. There are several roms for it on xda and there's also an android porting for this device.
Maybe a brand forum will be great too. For example a samsung or acer or anythig else forum with some subforums like rom developemente, q&a and general discussions.

ajhvdb said:
Yes, OMNIA II and why not iPhone?
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Omnia 2 is winmo, this forum is for WINMO + ANDROID ONLY!!! iPhone can go somewhere else for the people who like it
I still want one for my HTC MADE IPAQ, its in the WIKI under HTC Roadster

but hey this is..or at least was htc forum and not winmo and android forum...so...if we are expanding towards samsung,motorola and some others,why don't we go for apple too
think about it
i mean i'm not supporting any of that but....higher force wants to try it out,so if we are opening our gates for non htcs....apple is also nonhtc...so what's the difference

Toshiba TG01
Acer S200
Omnia 1 and 2
If Xda is considering to open new foruns, lets open for new top mobiles that are/were best sellers

Thanks for the feedback thus far, it's helpful. We're indeed going to stick with just Windows Mobile and Android.

But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?

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But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?
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i talked to svetius via pm and this was almost the same thing i said to him
and for the
svetius said:
Thanks for the feedback thus far, it's helpful. We're indeed going to stick with just Windows Mobile and Android.
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what about "brew" platform which comes with new htc smart

maybe the "xda-developers.com" should be changed to "apple-haters.com" because as i see everything except apple is welcome
just to make it clear....i'm absolutely not voting for apple (although i love macs),i'm just giving you something to think about...pointing finger towards the paradox so everybody could see it

yash08 said:
But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?
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As mentioned in my first post earlier today...
We will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.
I hope this helps.

I say expand to the iPhone field....wouldn't hurt to add it to the forums....we can say we hate it and that it suxs...whatever. XDA harbors people that want to push their phone's limits. I've been a follower of XDA for a while now, even when I had my iPhone, because the amount of talent in these forums are awesome. I say open the flood gates and bring in iPhone OS to the table. Droid and the new Dell Android would be great as well. My 2 cents

I kind of want to see a forum for the HTC Smart, running that Brew OS and a forum for the Android SE Xperia X10 and WM X2.

farukb said:
but hey this is..or at least was htc forum and not winmo and android forum
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Official or not, this site has ALWAYS been a winmo forum. Given that HTC's devices mostly ran winmo, that's pretty much unavoidable - unless you think that all discussion/development of software that runs on non-HTC winmo devices should be banned, anyway. And the same goes for Android, now that it comprises ~half of HTC's product lineup - unless you think that half of HTC's current phones should be banned from an 'HTC forum'.

YES to new forums
I've been following XDA-Devs for quite some time now (over a year and a half, to be exact) ever since I gleefully bought my AT&T Tilt, and then was frustrated with it within a week. Prior to that, I have owned & happily modded several PPC's. I lurked on these forums for over a year before joining and asking anything. Almost every question I had was answered by patiently searching. So Junior Member, yes. Noob...not quite.
That being said, I am very heavily leaning towards replacing my battle-scarred Tilt with a Samsung Omnia II instead of a TP2 variant. Lots of pros, very few cons, at least for the things I use my device for the most. One of the BIGGEST cons, however, would be that I would lose the guidance, support, knowledge and hard-earned wisdom of the people that post here by straying from HTC.
And so I hesitate.
I've likely read posts into the multiple thousands here, and despite the device or app, or even OS under discussion, one theme runs through it all:
We love messing with our phones.
Better, stronger, faster, smarter, louder, brighter, more fun ..... ad infinitum.
So, for the sake of that common goal, I say add new forums. Break them down by manufacturer. Even iPhones. All those people that bought one, only to discover the limitations of their expensive "cool" new phone? Let's help those poor saps too, ok?
YES to new forums!!

Changes at XDA, Please Read

Hey Everyone,
I’ve been an XDA user (under another name) for a long time, but now I’ve been appointed a new role to work with Flar and the moderators to make the user experience here better. For example, some of you may have noticed that the site has gotten faster in the last several days and that there are fewer 502 gateway errors. This is no fluke—we’ve employed an expert server administrator who has been restructuring the database to allow for quicker access speeds and far fewer errors. There is still a lot of work to be done, but we’re off to a pretty good start.
Beyond improving site speed, number two on our list is to cut down on spam. We’ve already experimented with a few tactics that have had varying levels of success, and we’ll keep at it until we get it right.
We’re also working on a home page redesign (or the “portal” as some of you know it). Our goal is to make it a useful destination for finding the best content in the forums and to make it easy for users to find new information about a particular device without having to scan through dozens of threads. We are recruiting volunteers to help identify and "promote" content to the main page, which requires some writing skills (see the "news" posted to the home page in the past couple of days). If you're interested and serious about helping, send a PM to Flar; she is organizing the effort.
Finally-- and hopefully this doesn't cause a mass uproar-- we are considering the idea of selectively adding non-HTC device forums (focused on Windows Mobile and Android devices). Every day we get requests from users for this, and there's really no good reason why we cannot oblige them. Already the discussion is happening in the general forums. That said, we will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.
I look forward to working closely with you to bring about exciting new changes to XDA that will make the experience better for you.

Hi Svetius
I asked a while ago for a forum for the Roadster, HP iPAQ HX4700, unfortunatly i received no more information on the topic since I sent a PM to Flar, if this could be added as a new forum, i would be happy to moderate it
svetius;5335158
The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums[/QUOTE said:
It's not that bad Just make a Bookmark
Thanks
Badwolve1
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XDA in 2010
Great to know about all this changes and modifications!
XDA is the number one forum on it´s genre
Personally I think adding non HTC devices could add a lot of intensive traffic and may deviate the main objectives and efforts from what this site was created, but I will support and promote any final decision made by Owners & Admin
Count with my help if required.
Just my 2 cents
Long live to XDA!!

It's great to see another Admin aboard XDA, and a very ambitious one at that! These sound like very exciting changes XDA will be going through, and some are much needed, like spam control and an update to the portal. I look forward to watching these take effect

Amen to non-HTC devices!
As a longtime HTC fan, I appreciate the great community we have here at XDA. But I'm looking to branch out, and I recenlty purchased a Toshiba TG01 that is a powerful device and I'd love to see a forum for that if there is enough demand.
The LG Expo is also poised to be a big seller here in the states; already there is work going on with that here at XDA, so perhaps that deserves a forum (it's one of the first WinMo Snapdragon devices after all).
Long live XDA!
PS Maybe a different color scheme would be nice, the yellow has been giving me lots of eye strain recently...

chambo622 said:
Amen to non-HTC devices!
PS Maybe a different color scheme would be nice, the yellow has been giving me lots of eye strain recently...
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If you use Firefox you might want to try this.

Very glad to hear XDA is dropping their completely non-sensical rule of not allowing non-HTC devices (oh, but we will allow Android on a WM-centric site? pfff)
Aside from l3v5y, none of the better known people on XDA I talk to on a regular bases agree with this rule (most think it's a really stupid move), so I'm sure a lot of people will be happy there will be change.
If I might be so bold as to make a couple of device suggestions:
- Samsung Omnia 2 I8000 GSM & I920 CDMA
- Samsung Omnia Pro B7610 & Giorgio Armani II B7620 (pimped pro)
- Toshiba TG-01 (aka T-01A)
- LG Expo (aka IQ, Monaco)
- Acer F1 (aka neoTouch S200)
Of course there are lots of others but most of them are quickly getting old... At least from my perspective these are the most important devices... Then again, what do I know, ey?

Nice to hear that you guys are so busy in making the experience better on XDA.
But I think we should not include those other non-HTC phones.
Personally I hate those Omnia's, they're in my opinion just crappy phones.
Sad to see it happen but you Mods probably know what's best for the community...

Sounds great to me!
It means my SE X2 will have your support!!!
Bravo!

Chainfire:
The main reason I've been opposed to extra forums is because it would impact the rest of the fora here. If the speed of this site is the first priority, and if this site can still achieve what it was made for (it's in the name really, XDA developers) then I can't really disagree.
Also, it would make a significant increase in the workload for the existing moderators, unless we recruit more....

I think it would work well if the devices selected were only ones that pass muster and are as feature rich as their HTC counterparts (e.g. Omnia II, Toshiba TG01 etc).
I'm fairly new to here, but one thing I do like is that this site is heavily slanted towards Windows Mobile. So while I think it would be great to welcome other Windows Phones into the community, I do not think that Android devices outside of HTC phones should be accepted.

This is absolutely awesome, thanks so much. Having the support of Xda-Devs is absolutely a must when buying a phone. until today buying a Samsung-device was completely unimaginable!
Maybe you can add some JS/AJAX to the page, so all device-specific subforums are folded, except the devices the user needs (multiple devices would be nice).
And IMHO you need a really good and catchy logo.
If you want me to help with designing feel free to send me a PM

What a great Decision
I am really happy to hear this. With my second smartphone (TD) i entered the world of xda developers and found answers for every question i ever had. I think it is the best place for discussions about htc devices. When i bought my Samsung Galaxy i was i little bit f***d up because of no more xda developers and it is great to hear this news now.
...hopefuly there will be a section for Galaxy Users?

I was crazy about xda back when I had an Apache/ppc 6700. But I am also a person who likes to try new things and move on to better things. There is no reason we should be penalized for buying a MOTOTOLA DROID or SAMSUNG GALAXY. Show us some love.

Great News Indeed

Wow! Just an awesome news! I think this is a realy good idea and the right way to became thes most important source for ALL Winmo (and Android) devices.

It's not nonsensical to focus on HTC devices on a website that is FOR those devices.
Imagine people asking for help with their Honda's on a Ford Mustang Forum.
As a long time XDA user, I love this website, when I got the Wizard, then the sapphire, I was insanely grateful to have such resources available to me on this site.
Eventually I got the DROID, at which point I had to abandon this forum, and all it's resources, which sucked, but I understand this isn't the place.
With that said, I am excited to see this forum open up for non HTC devices, as I will directly benefit from it. I am worried however that the forum may suffer not just in speed, but in focus. Think about those Chinese food restaurants that sell Italian food, hamburgers, and burritos, they make everything, but they don't make any one thing well. XDA forum is the equivalent of the BEST burger shop in town, so I think it is a very good idea to run a "Trial Period" and I hope for the best!

.... and yes svetius welcome on board mate

This site keeps getting better and better, I appreciate you guys taking time to consider and address suggestions (adding other popular phones-Android and Windows based) to the site. Keep up the good work guys and gals!

samsung galaxy

Where are you coming from?

Just wondering what kind of people hangs out here.
I see a lot of questions from people who are new to Android as well as a lot of answers by people who seem to be very comfortable with this OS.
If you will, mention specific device that you've used before HTC Desire in your response.

I'm coming from a Touch HD running Winmo 6.1..... It's done a good job, but looking for a more intuitive UI, more apps and functionality (not limited by cupertino ) ...... android seems to tick all those boxes. From what I've seen WinMo 7 doesn't really appeal to me. Hope that app development for android will take off even more quickly.... but that should be the case given the growth of the platform. Waiting for my Desire.....

Karolis said:
Just wondering what kind of people hangs out here.
I see a lot of questions from people who are new to Android as well as a lot of answers by people who seem to be very comfortable with this OS.
If you will, mention specific device that you've used before HTC Desire in your response.
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Blackberry Storm v1...the Desire is sooooo much better....This is my first android device.
Nothing beats the blackberry email service...unless theres a email spam filter for Android out there ?!?.... is there ? (sorry - i should really create a new topic for that question!)

Touch Diamond,wm 6.1

I was using a T-mobile G1 with Android 1.6 before the Desire.

I (am) was using HTC Kaiser, still waiting the Desire.
This waiting time is killing me, hopefully Clove really can deliver next week!
In the meantime (since yesterday), I installed Android 2.1 EClair on my HTC Kaiser. It works very well and I could use it to try and test Android apps

maybe add some more detail to this poll, such as hd2, touch pro 2, diamond 2, hero, g1, nexus one, blackberry storm etc

I have come from a Blackberry 8700 and still have an HP iPAQ Data Messenger for work.
And the missus has an iPhone. Just missing the Symbian I guess :lol:

selling my HD2 on eBay today, getting my desire on thursday. had a touch diamond before, and also a touch HD. Time for a change me thinks, Android is up and comng, not so limited either. especially with this site too

I was using a Nokia 5800XM then took on my girlfriends old HTC Tattoo...loved it so much i went for the Desire

HTC HD2. My Desire has opened up a whole new world for me! Would never go back to WM6.5 and very unlikely to go to WM7.

I still have a Samsung i8910 Omnia/Player HD, running Symbian OS S60v5. I'll be getting my Desire sometime next week hopefully.
I cannot wait to enter the Android world!

Only ever had WinMo OS devices, new to Android, got shot of my Orbit and bought a sim free LG Cookie, paired it with an o2 Simplicity sim, and we've been plodding away quite merrily over the past year
...signed up to a few forums, like this one, in anticipation of replacing my humble LG Cookie with the HTC Desire.
Still gleaming nfo and price watching

iPhone 3G.
After a few months it was just usless.

Bye bye Windows!!!
Finally got a high spec hardware Android from HTC to relieve me of the turmoil that is Windows Mobile. I spent years hoping they'd get their act together and create something usable but finally gave up and bought the Desire after using a Hero for a month last year.
Owned the HTC HD2, Touch HD, Touch Pro 2, Vario 2 & 3 so tried but Microsoft just couldn't get it right no matter how much the great Rom cookers such as Dutty and HTC's sense tried to cover the sham up. They did their best but at the end of the day, they were limited by WinMo underlying in there.
Freedom of the Desire is something I'm loving and I ain't looking back!

i also tried the Omnia HD (great hardware, poor OS), the Nokia 5800 (bad allround) and even Samsung Galaxy (shame it wasn't updated from 1.5 android as couldve been ok-ish!)
HTC have always impressed me and have moved forward in leaps and bounds over the last 3 years, coupling that with Android as it's now coming to maturity is a perfect combination.

I'm coming from a SE K800i so this Desire is a bit special !!

Came from HTC hero used for about 5 months before going desire 4 days ago....Can wait for Google's OS to come so that I can get rid of Windows 7 on my PC....
Previously have been using winmo for the last 5 years....

I have an Iphone. Planning to buy the Desire next monday in HK.

shure2 said:
maybe add some more detail to this poll, such as hd2, touch pro 2, diamond 2, hero, g1, nexus one, blackberry storm etc
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The point of the poll was to find out what platform people come from and then they can share what phone they've used before in the post.
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Now I must say I'm quite surprised to see how many people used platforms other than Android before getting an Desire. I'd say that's great, it means Android android adoption is speeding up.
The smartphones that I've used are listed in my signature. Of course I had many dumbphones before that, but those don't count any more
I think Android and iPhone OS are the only two real competitors in today's market because no other platform will ever catch-up. I might be wrong - you never know... So since I don't like closed nature of iPhone and no choice in hardware, I will stick with Android for a while.

Introduction

Hey Guys, just wanted to introduce myself to you all. I will be frequenting the Defy forum as I am in interested in the development of modded roms for the Defy specifically. I'm a 16 year old from Colorado, started developing at the age of 12 with the iPod Touch and recently switched to the Android platform. I look forward to working with you all! Thanks!

Well Come to the World Of Android.....LOL

Welcome to the forums!
Good to see someone so young working on something like this as a hobby!

Thanks for the welcomes! I look forward to working with you guys

welcome GoldenStateTy to the awesome world of android
and allow me to introduce myself instead of creating another thread for it
my name is mahmood alkhateeb,im from jordan(middle east) and i bought a defy 4 weeks ago and i hated it at the beginning becuz i was supposed to buy galaxy sl for the same price(yeah moto phones is expensive in our country) but it wasn't available so i went for this and now i really love it
im 19 years old,and in stages of becoming a graphic design and i also took some graphic design courses and i have a deviantart gallery(www.evil-slayer.deviantart.com)
i bought this phone so i can theme for android and i am also interested in developing and modding it..hopefully when i become very familiar with it i will start making themes like i used to make for Symbian
nice to be in such great community

It's my pleasure to meet and to be able to work with you guys, this is a very well developed and moderated forum. You all seem to have absolute tons of experience with the Defy, and the Android platform as well. Much thanks for the welcomes, that means quite a bit as most people would shy away from such a young person with limited experience.

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It's my pleasure to meet and to be able to work with you guys, this is a very well developed and moderated forum. You all seem to have absolute tons of experience with the Defy, and the Android platform as well. Much thanks for the welcomes, that means quite a bit as most people would shy away from such a young person with limited experience.
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I think ideas and experience are never limited.....

Yo Dawgz :D I came from winmo 6.1 pro so help me

How do u do guys?
I used to be a Samsung i900 "Omnia" user for more than 3 years.
I just purchased a Galaxy Nexus from Expansys USA.
Now I feel totally lost cause Android esp. ICS does not have a start menu!
I need to learn how to use this thing some how and as fast as possible thru books or tutorials or videos or guides here on the forum.
Also I need the KOOLEST apps ever on android market. cause I wanna piss off my iPhone4 friends.
I wanna become the hippiest Galaxy Nexus user of the planet! ;D
thanx for all the help.
Goodbye Omnia but rest assured that your love is still in my heart.

Thats a pretty amazing upgrade, from WinMo 6.1 to the best Android phone running the latest and greatest Android version!
Start installing some apps from the market, check out the top apps on the several sections.
Add your social networks accounts to the phone and add some widgets to your home screens. From personal experience, Android users are always testing new layouts and widgets
Try a few games and witness the power of the Nexus!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371918 is a user-made thread of people's opinions on what apps are "must needed."
Android is pretty simple to use, may take a few days to get used to it. But with ICS, its definitely more user friendly.

that's pretty impressive. i remember when i switched from the imagio over to a fascinate, but switching from an omnia to the g nexus? huge! there are plenty of apps lists out there. just remember to check the permissions before you install anything... if you see a game that has the ability to make phone calls... might want to do some research.

I'm coming from an Omnia II (Verizon SCH-i920) so we're about in the same boat. I've had to assist my wife with her D2G so I picked up Android pretty quick. I was hooked, went out and bought a Xoom, now have a VZW Galaxy Nexus. Lovin' it so far!

Android is not that easy to use, especially coming from another os, or if you've never used it before. There is a getting started guide that comes with the nexus, but I'm the type of guy that tinkers with every button until I figure things out
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

First off, "Yo Dawgz" went out around the same time WinPho 6.1 became obsolete.
I would start off with trying out free featured apps from the market. There are tons of cool stuff you can get for free. Too bad you just missed the 0.10 app specials.
Finally, ROOT AND FLASH!

Congratulations on purchasing intelligently.
Market download #1, angry birds so you can catch up to the last 2 years of smartphone gaming in one fell swoop.
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