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What is the point of getting ICS now?

Since a lot of stuff is still wonky/glitchy, and the ICS ports are still not perfect.
Is the point of getting ICS just to say you have it?
Or are there certain advantages to running ICS that I am not aware of?
I am on ILWT btw.

Why run ILWT?
Biggest reason I run it is because the UI to me is THAT much better than GB or anything else I've used. The ROMs are stable enough, fast enough, and include all the features I need to get by day to day.
This sounds more of a troll post, but meh.

I've been running ICS since Andromadus alpha 1, and as a DD since alpha 4. Yes there have been several glitches (alpha 5 was unusable) and several things broken such as the camera, but running an alpha or beta build is what produces the feedback and usage stats the devs need to make a great RC. It also kicks the OEM's in the tail to release drivers and possibly new roms for our devices if the devs AND users can illustrate a need. Aside from that, ICS can renew an aging device with new functionality and refined looks. I've rediscovered my own aging device, and for the first time started to realize its capabilities as a real, almost tablet-like, computing device and not just an alarm clock or a way for telemarketers and my wife to bug me.
Sent from my Andromadus ICS HTC Vision using TapaTalk

It is not a troll post. I am running ILWT because it is stable, fast, and the battery life is great.
If I am not going to use the stock ICS ui, then should I even bother switching to ICS?
Like, I have a custom Go Launcher theme that is pretty damn sick, and I never use the stock apps for anything except stock market...

convolution said:
It is not a troll post. I am running ILWT because it is stable, fast, and the battery life is great.
If I am not going to use the stock ICS ui, then should I even bother switching to ICS?
Like, I have a custom Go Launcher theme that is pretty damn sick, and I never use the stock apps for anything except stock market...
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I must say the ICS Roms are much smoother than any other rom I've ever used and I've had a single hot reboot since first DD worthy release. Battery isn't remarkable but that is cause they haven't been optimized yet, stabilize then optimize. In your case I might wait more for optimized, but hey! Nandroid, wipe, install and try it a bit, you may just fall in love !

That is sound advice, noneabove.
Yes, I do believe the best thing to do at this point is for me to stfu and try it.

ICS ROMS are great. The best reason in my opinion is for developing/ testing purposes. They are smooth and stable.
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i flash every update to test it but its a looong way from me using it.
not as stable, not as funtionable, not as good batterylife and right now, not the same performance.
so i use ILWT for same reasons as you until the ICS roms are atleast as good.
i figure that there are enough people reporting bugs anyway, they dont need me.

atm im using cm7.2 on everyday basis but i do like to test other/newer roms to see if they might got some additional functionality i could need..
like actualy usb host mode what doesnt seem to work on cm7.. ive read it should work from ics on so im happy projects like virtuousrom exist to im able to try

Coming to ICS Rom first time which is best?

Ok i have not put anything new on my phone in a month.I have cauks older Rom.I have not even updated it.
I was reading the development section and i am lost in reading.So going to 1 for the first time and not having tons of issues that i get stuck with which Rom seems to be doing the best in the ICS rom section?
I understand ill get different views from people who love 1 person but i really just want to best Rom going on right now.
thanks.

rdcrds said:
Ok i have not put anything new on my phone in a month.I have cauks older Rom.I have not even updated it.
I was reading the development section and i am lost in reading.So going to 1 for the first time and not having tons of issues that i get stuck with which Rom seems to be doing the best in the ICS rom section?
I understand ill get different views from people who love 1 person but i really just want to best Rom going on right now.
thanks.
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I like Calks (2) Roms...Either One and and right now Im runnin Mijjah 74's Goodness at the Moment...Ive run all three... All three Roms work exceptionally Well..

probably Calkulin but...
i agree about the three of those being good bets. i've heard and read the most positive things about Calukin's stuff. It's not uncommon for other ROMs to be based on his work.
That being said, I'm also on Mijjah's Blend ICS (the Goodness). The earlier versions had a few more hiccups (mainly GPS). I'm on ver 2.5.1 and have not ran into any issues yet. GPS, check. Notification sounds, check. Notification LED indicator... oh, OK. 1 minor issue so far.

The test builds of CM9 is working pretty well, battery life is kinda bad though and for some reason it doesn't play audio through my car dock.
Sigh, back to Gingerbread I go...

Depends on your personal preference... If you wish to remain on Touchwiz, try one of the above suggestions.
For AOSP, there's CM9, AOKP, and Codename. All are smooth and filled with customizable options.
Personally, I'm in love with Codename(over General atm)
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AOKP is badass for sure, TCP did a great job. Much better than the others imo. Havent tried Codename yet but i hear its slightly better due to more customizing

rdcrds said:
Ok i have not put anything new on my phone in a month.I have cauks older Rom.I have not even updated it.
I was reading the development section and i am lost in reading.So going to 1 for the first time and not having tons of issues that i get stuck with which Rom seems to be doing the best in the ICS rom section?
I understand ill get different views from people who love 1 person but i really just want to best Rom going on right now.
thanks.
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These ICS roms have tons of bugs. Nothing really major aside from complete incompatibility with my bt car kit.
But still, they are far from being a daily driver.
If I had to choose, I'd probably pick aospmod rom.

nabbed said:
These ICS roms have tons of bugs. Nothing really major aside from complete incompatibility with my bt car kit.
But still, they are far from being a daily driver.
If I had to choose, I'd probably pick aospmod rom.
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False, the FC leaks ones are 99% bug free.
CM9, Codename and AOKP all have their share of serious bugs.

zonlicht said:
False, the FC leaks ones are 99% bug free.
CM9, Codename and AOKP all have their share of serious bugs.
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I've been running Codename for a week, and haven't experienced a single serious bug. It's almost as solid for me as the GB Touchwiz roms were.
OP, it really depends on what you want. If you want Touchwiz, then I'd definitely go with one of Calk's roms. If you want AOSP, then I'd recommend Codename, followed by CM9, then AOKP.

zonlicht said:
False, the FC leaks ones are 99% bug free.
CM9, Codename and AOKP all have their share of serious bugs.
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I think 99% might be an overestimate. Some lucky folk have had that experience, a great many other people are getting only a "few" bugs, but fundamental ones, like borked contacts and failing notifications, etc.
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zonlicht said:
False, the FC leaks ones are 99% bug free.
CM9, Codename and AOKP all have their share of serious bugs.
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What do you mean by 99% bug free? One percent of phone functions are broken? Out of what, a thousand?
I'd agree. And that one percent is almost always a deal breaker.

blackroseMD1 said:
I've been running Codename for a week, and haven't experienced a single serious bug. It's almost as solid for me as the GB Touchwiz roms were.
OP, it really depends on what you want. If you want Touchwiz, then I'd definitely go with one of Calk's roms. If you want AOSP, then I'd recommend Codename, followed by CM9, then AOKP.
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So, you're saying your video camera works perfect?

slick4mitch said:
So, you're saying your video camera works perfect?
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I said serious bugs. I don't ever use my video camera, so it's not a serious bug for me. It may be to the OP, and if so, then I would recommend that they stay on a rom where the video camera works.

nabbed said:
What do you mean by 99% bug free? One percent of phone functions are broken? Out of what, a thousand?
I'd agree. And that one percent is almost always a deal breaker.
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I don't know of any rom on any phone that works 100%. Even official Samsung releases don't work 100%.

I keep running back to gingerbread. I kept telling myself that I will try ics when its an official release. I get the itch to flash something and always go back to what works. I was running for a day, a rom from someone, but had to Odin back to EL29 because there was something I wanted to do but couldn't because of a snafu. I personally prefer stability over the newest bells and whistles.

oscarthegrouch said:
I keep running back to gingerbread. I kept telling myself that I will try ics when its an official release. I get the itch to flash something and always go back to what works. I was running for a day, a rom from someone, but had to Odin back to EL29 because there was something I wanted to do but couldn't because of a snafu. I personally prefer stability over the newest bells and whistles.
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Same here. I keep telling myself it would be the same, buggy enough not to be useful as a daily driver, but the flashaholic in me takes over.
So, hours are usually wasted.

Yeah i think ill just update cauks non ics rom for a bit yet and let the bugs play out.

I've been running Agat63's tFCXX series (currently on tFC18 0.1.1) since FC06; they're as smooth as ICS roms get, IMHO. A nice light "frosting" of the AOSP ICS look (courtesy of tiffany84), choice between stock and rogue-repacked (w/ CWM recovery) kernels, otherwise generally fairly close to the "stock" leaks except where Agat can convince himself he's not adding bugs/instability beyond what is naturally going to be in a leaked pre-release with build.prop tweaks, bloatware trimming, and such. Plus he's incredibly responsive to his users' requests and very open to providing them options.
FC06/FC07 was _just_ good enough to be a DD for me (but _barely_). FC15 and now FC18 have been nearly flawless in my experience. Of course, YMMV but I find _very_ little to complain about. Just my experience - the one thing I've learned from reading a LOT in ICS related threads is that everybody's phone behaves a little bit differently, everyone uses their phone a little bit differently, and everyone wants something a little bit different -- my recommendation would be to nandroid and start testing the roms ppl mention in this thread until you find one that works well for you (or decide ICS isn't done enough for you yet and you want to stay on GB a little bit longer).

jt_hatch said:
my recommendation would be to nandroid and start testing the roms ppl mention in this thread until you find one that works well for you (or decide ICS isn't done enough for you yet and you want to stay on GB a little bit longer).
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My recommendation would be to wait until an official ICS release.
There's really not that much new ICS has to offer over GB. Not for this phone anyway.

nabbed said:
My recommendation would be to wait until an official ICS release.
There's really not that much new ICS has to offer over GB. Not for this phone anyway.
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For tw roms, yes ics is very similar to gb. But there's a world of difference between gb aosp and ics aosp. Like cm7 << cm9. Agreed that there's still bugs to be worked out for any ics roms, but some really good work has been done by our devs without having e4gt ics source released.
OP, if you do try ics roms right now, its a really good idea to be very cautious using any ics recovery. There is a real risk with bricking your phone, especially with aosp roms.
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What is the best CM10 rom?

So now that we have 3 different roms, which one is the more stable and more complete?
-tbalden
-Tripnraver
-Paranoid
What about GPS,wifi,camera,BT... and random reboots?

vegetaleb said:
So now that we have 3 different roms, which one is the more stable and more complete?
-tbalden
-Tripnraver
-Paranoid
What about GPS,wifi,camera,BT... and random reboots?
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Here is a comparison by timlambo. Also by theDroidfanatic here. If you ask my personal opinion, none is ready yet for everyday use by the masses.....

So it's not a good time to have a walk in the CM10 area yet?

I have tried tgascoignes build 25 and tbaldens preview 4 and must say that tbaldens is in my opinion better. Nothing big differences but tbaldens is more smooth for me. specially with apex launcer that rom is like butter. Dont know about tripandravers rom, but what I have read it seems little more buggy.

What about the AOSP then?

Sckank said:
What about the AOSP then?
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The aosp is doing good at the moment, but please remember, that it still has some work to do. It aslo has the game fix in pathed, but not on the kernel side(In short, you can flash any kernel with this and still play nice games like dead trigger). The latest build of the aosp is being uploaded, so you might want to try it out.
In truth, the best build now, might be pure aosp, or the cm10 from tbalden(Going towards the first choice here).

vegetaleb said:
So it's not a good time to have a walk in the CM10 area yet?
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There are still some issues left before devs address the battery issues. I will wait until then since I need my phone daily
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Trip's rom also got updated, so now all jb roms are on the same page(Favour tipped again towards Trip(maybe)) Will test tomorrow and report. At the end, it is more personal prefrence and I have no say, only my own opinion.

PeK_m said:
I have tried tgascoignes build 25 and tbaldens preview 4 and must say that tbaldens is in my opinion better. Nothing big differences but tbaldens is more smooth for me. specially with apex launcer that rom is like butter. Dont know about tripandravers rom, but what I have read it seems little more buggy.
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Agree with this. That and there's been four preview updates in three days shows the commitment that tbalden and the team have to getting this running smoothly.
There are a few little jitters here and there (some echoing on calls) but generally the positives of Jelly Bean are well worth a look if you've rooted and are happy alpha testing new software.

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Agree with this. That and there's been four preview updates in three days shows the commitment that tbalden and the team have to getting this running smoothly.
There are a few little jitters here and there (some echoing on calls) but generally the positives of Jelly Bean are well worth a look if you've rooted and are happy alpha testing new software.
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I'll call it more closer to beta. It has little to no issues, and all major issues, except echo, are fixed. Definitely a daily driver. Also one of the biggest hox people, hamdir, said it is also stable enough for a daily driver. I recommend to go and read some in the general thread, the massive hox info.
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timlambo said:
I'll call it more closer to beta. It has little to no issues, and all major issues, except echo, are fixed. Definitely a daily driver. Also one of the biggest hox people, hamdir, said it is also stable enough for a daily driver. I recommend to go and read some in the general thread, the massive hox info.
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yeah he also recommended that one as a daily driver.. but for me i like to wait a few more days and maybe a couple of weeks before i commit.. but from all the reading here i say tbaldens one is the one to go for

Goku80 said:
yeah he also recommended that one as a daily driver.. but for me i like to wait a few more days and maybe a couple of weeks before i commit.. but from all the reading here i say tbaldens one is the one to go for
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Yes, he is indeed making very very quick progress. Probably the fastest of them all.
I just saw the post about Trip. Guess we still have to wait. In a few weeks time, mist developers will probably be working on a new kernel, because this development is flying.
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Trip has released a new version, 004. In the changelog it seems that he has fixed all prior problems!
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I am testing now Trip 004 new build of CM10, and I can say, up till now, all previous issues are fixed, and it`s very smooth and fast. Some guys report camera FC, but didn`t occur with my HOX, I will report after more testing for a day or so.

Trip will be releasing 005 with his 3.1.10 kernel. Probably today. I am getting tempted TBH.....:laugh:

Been using tbaldens preview 4 since yesterday and only issue I got with rom is quite poor battery life. Device sleeps nicely, but when you actually use it for something like twitter or facebook it drains battery very fast. Also slight call echo is still to be fixed. but besides these I can recommend this rom as daily driver also.

PeK_m said:
Been using tbaldens preview 4 since yesterday and only issue I got with rom is quite poor battery life. Device sleeps nicely, but when you actually use it for something like twitter or facebook it drains battery very fast. Also slight call echo is still to be fixed. but besides these I can recommend this rom as daily driver also.
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I am also using tbaldens preview 4 and calls are clear for me and for daily use all the critical functions are working quite well including "Google Now". Just for the buttery smooth experience, I am happy that I am using this ROM. With regards the battery drain, I have removed the notification check intervals for facebook and mail and to check manually. Now my battery life is good enough to survive a day

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I am also using tbaldens preview 4 and calls are clear for me and for daily use all the critical functions are working quite well including "Google Now". Just for the buttery smooth experience, I am happy that I am using this ROM. With regards the battery drain, I have removed the notification check intervals for facebook and mail and to check manually. Now my battery life is good enough to survive a day
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Does the one that is speaking with you experiencing echo? I have also have none echo to me but the caller can hear him/herself. Gotta try those thing you mentioned for better battery life. btw preview 5 just landed! devs are on fire

How's camera?
With viperx I have very nice results and 0 compression, meaning each photo is about 5mb!
Too bad sense 4 dev is ''freezed'', they are pushing us into CM10
Did you find some 720p themes? Specially with transparent statusbar...

Installed trips CMX yesterday evening. Have four reboots and couple of fc`s so far, performance is quite good thou. On toms or tbaldens rom got no reboots or fc`s at all. For me trips rom is most unstable.
After testing all of the three JB`s I still say that tbaldens one is for me. Best performance and stability. Tom`s is good too in terms of stability, but performance is worse than others. If you search JB rom to start with I would recommend tbaldens one hands down.

[Q] Looking for a FAST ROM, Epic4G

Can anyone reccomend a solid, fast and battery-friendly ROM for my old Epic? Currently I use Paranoid Android, and while very nice, the battery life and speed of opening apps and such is disappointing.
Thanks!

Jedman67 said:
Can anyone reccomend a solid, fast and battery-friendly ROM for my old Epic? Currently I use Paranoid Android, and while very nice, the battery life and speed of opening apps and such is disappointing.
Thanks!
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CM10.1 has been good all the way around for me. Do you use bluetooth?

DynamicN said:
CM10.1 has been good all the way around for me. Do you use bluetooth?
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nope. I"ll give it a whirl but i have no interest in flashing a new rom every week or so - only intersted in stables, not nightlies

Jedman67 said:
nope. I"ll give it a whirl but i have no interest in flashing a new rom every week or so - only intersted in stables, not nightlies
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I've had issues with some stables as well as some nightly's myself, so I don't think it makes too much of a difference IMO on what it's technically called. I'm currently on the 20130101 build of CM10.1 and have been running it for over a month with only one random reboot and no issues at all. If you don't use bluetooth then I'd recommend it.

Do you mean F-A-S-T really? CM7.2 runs fastest amongst all plain, untouched ROMs on my device.
I know CM10.1 is buttery smooth, but it's still Android 4.x. It still bogs a yearold phone down somewhat (you may not feel that, anyway, I don't feel bogged down THAT much but it counts). And that's where a very clean 2.3 build like CM7 come in handy. Plus app compatibility is better, if you're not into Android 4.x specific apps.
Sent from HTC Incredible S @ CM10.1

You could try Pac-man Rom. I've only had one reboot. And it's pretty snappy opening apps.
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Thanks. I"ll give both those a shot. It needs to be fast and stable because im giving my wife my old phone, and she is not nearly as technically minded as I am - i just upgraded to a Galaxy S III with LTE - and I'm hooked. Only drawback is the GS3 needs a physical keyboard variant.

If its for someone not technical you should use either CM7 or The Peoples Rom. They seem to have the best battery life and are the most stable.
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CM7 and the GB TouchWiz roms seem to be the most speed and battery-efficient roms for our devices, but honestly the newer JB roms like PACMan/Provision/CM10/etc. have been pretty damn stable and impressive, depending on how you use it.

is it worth it to install a Custom Rom?

I rooted my phone and installed TWRP however looking at the custom ROMs , I don't know if it is a good idea at this point to install one. What are your recommendations especially in regards to fluidity, battery life, antutu scores, daily usage and everything working?

guitarbite said:
I rooted my phone and installed TWRP however looking at the custom ROMs , I don't know if it is a good idea at this point to install one. What are your recommendations especially in regards to fluidity, battery life, antutu scores, daily usage and everything working?
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MIUI will give u the best fluidity
Battery life are pretty much the same
Antutu is pointless
Most ROMs have everything working
If you're all set you might as well test them, just remember to format data if going from MIUI to custom otherwise it will bootloop

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MIUI will give u the best fluidity
Battery life are pretty much the same
Antutu is pointless
Most ROMs have everything working
If you're all set you might as well test them, just remember to format data if going from MIUI to custom otherwise it will bootloop
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Coming from Zuk. Z2 I'm not a newb to flashing but I haven't heard anything but issues on most ROMs I've looked at... Newer phone so makes sense but I wanted to more establish if there was stability and which ones are in fact more stable...
However if MIUI is the most fluid... Might Stick on that for another few months

guitarbite said:
Coming from Zuk. Z2 I'm not a newb to flashing but I haven't heard anything but issues on most ROMs I've looked at... Newer phone so makes sense but I wanted to more establish if there was stability and which ones are in fact more stable...
However if MIUI is the most fluid... Might Stick on that for another few months
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I keep going back to MIUI, ABC rom seems to be the most stable for me but after a couple days system UI begins to crash.

Mackay53 said:
I keep going back to MIUI, ABC rom seems to be the most stable for me but after a couple days system UI begins to crash.
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I think I agree with you there.... Why move if you aren't going to improve

guitarbite said:
Coming from Zuk. Z2 I'm not a newb to flashing but I haven't heard anything but issues on most ROMs I've looked at... Newer phone so makes sense but I wanted to more establish if there was stability and which ones are in fact more stable...
However if MIUI is the most fluid... Might Stick on that for another few months
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That's been the normal state of custom ROMs on the last few phones I've owned including the supposedly development friendly One Plus 5. I think the problem is that custom ROMs are rarely maintained by people who actually use the ROM and device as their daily driver. You can't make a good ROM for a phone you aren't even using so the ROMs always have bugs that the devs aren't aware of until users report them. There was only one One Plus 5 ROM that didn't have bugs and it was also the only custom ROM by a developer who actually used the phone everyday. One of the ROM devs for this phone even admitted that he wouldn't consider using his own ROM on his primary phone which pretty much says it all.

guitarbite said:
I rooted my phone and installed TWRP however looking at the custom ROMs , I don't know if it is a good idea at this point to install one. What are your recommendations especially in regards to fluidity, battery life, antutu scores, daily usage and everything working?
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I have been using LineageOS Unofficial for a couple of months, and now the official for over a month. Everything just works. Things are smooth, and works real nice without any of the wonkiness I had with MIUI. I always struggled a bit to make MIUI work like I wanted. Then again, I greatly appreciate a stock-ish experience. I am even running Substratum.

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I have been using LineageOS Unofficial for a couple of months, and now the official for over a month. Everything just works. Things are smooth, and works real nice without any of the wonkiness I had with MIUI. I always struggled a bit to make MIUI work like I wanted. Then again, I greatly appreciate a stock-ish experience. I am even running Substratum.
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100% agree