Please Replace Captcha With Mathematical Game - About xda-developers.com

Turn This: nbvzxbnbnbcsdmbbm (Which Is Supposed To Mean "Hello There Fellow")
Into This 5 + 5 = ___

ROFL ????

I AGREE!
Or at least something else that doesn't make me guess 5 times and lock me out of the damn site for 15 minutes!

I agree, captchas are quite complicated for some people.
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"You can overclock as much as you want, your phone will always seem too slow."

99% of them are impossible to read

its discrimination against dyslexic people i for one support the picture solve or the math ones

I agree replace captcha with something else
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Why is this horrible system even needed on a members only forum?

spykedm said:
Why is this horrible system even needed on a members only forum?
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Extra security against spammers, I guess.
Although I can't remember entering a single captcha yet *happy*
Sent fro... wait, I didn't send this.

The captcha is required due to spammers who register manually, then try to post spam to XDA using that new account.
Recaptcha, which is the one we use, is one of the more readable and user friendly captchas, offering an audio equivalent too.

This captcha implemetation simply doesn't work
I tried to post a response to a different thread earlier and tried 5 captchas before I was reasonably sure I was reading one correctly. It took some time to compose the post and, low and behold the captcha somehow changed during that time and I needed to type in a new one. I made the mistake of hitting the preview button and the damn system wanted yet another captcha. I finally gave up because it simply wasn't worth the trouble. Why not simply use one captcha on log in?
The captcha system as implemented may be preventing spam but it is also doing a very good job of discouraging the use of this forum for its intended purpose.

freecity said:
I tried to post a response to a different thread earlier and tried 5 captchas before I was reasonably sure I was reading one correctly. It took some time to compose the post and, low and behold the captcha somehow changed during that time and I needed to type in a new one. I made the mistake of hitting the preview button and the damn system wanted yet another captcha. I finally gave up because it simply wasn't worth the trouble. Why not simply use one captcha on log in?
The captcha system as implemented may be preventing spam but it is also doing a very good job of discouraging the use of this forum for its intended purpose.
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Seems to work ok for the vast majority of users. The captchas should end on your 7th or 8th post.

captchas from hell
mf2112 said:
Seems to work ok for the vast majority of users. The captchas should end on your 7th or 8th post.
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That explains why captcha does "work ok for the vast majority of users." They don't even see it after a few posts. If it were implemented for everyone the same way it is for new users this thread would be dozens of pages long.
Glad that I'll soon be seeing the end of it.

freecity said:
That explains why captcha does "work ok for the vast majority of users." They don't even see it after a few posts. If it were implemented for everyone the same way it is for new users this thread would be dozens of pages long.
Glad that I'll soon be seeing the end of it.
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We get 1500 new users signing up per day. Sorry, I forgot to type the word "new" in that sentence as I was thinking it. (Unfortunately) pattern recognition software is getting better and simple captchas are readable by the spambots. The current system is not necessarily ideal, but it does force real people to do their spam instead of bots, keeping it to a level where we can see it and report it before it becomes a flood.
I can only wish that a bigger percentage of those new users read this guide. And that they actually did the things proposed in it.

agree...im complicated with it:cyclops:

drumerpunked said:
I completely agree i can never figure out what 99% of them say...
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I have too agree on the 99% ... it took me 9 tries too get 1 that I could read just so I could post here about changing it also ..
It will take me a week too get too the point where I dont have that captcha stuff ..

Agree, captcha are 9 times on 10 impossible to read for me as well.
Guess it's the price to pay to keep this place the way it is, wich is fantastic

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I completely agree i can never figure out what 99% of them say...
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I think the idea is some of them are not supposed to be decipherable by man or machine. a person will just hit next while the pattern rec software just chews on it.

Its readable but with the previous post i was trying like 20 captchas. Blurred one after blurred one...
Hope to get rid of it soon

Yes, math randum chalange
is better for the visually chalanged
i have to ask my kid to read it cause the audio one is noisy and evry one knows the blind pirson ears ar verry sencetive to the noise
so i agree.
reguards...

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502 Bad Gateway

During the last several days on occations, when I try to enter this site, I get the following error message:
502 Bad Gateway
nginx/0.7.63
It happens on occations for a period of time, every few hours,
and then everything gets back to normal.
Anyone else experience this ?
We are working on that.
Ok thanks
Thanks
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We are working on that.
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Mostly, it happens on clicking a link.
The issue is compounded by SPAM Auto-Bots doing flood posts to the forum ... effectively placing unwanted load on the gateway(s) - similar to a DoS attack.
hilaireg said:
The issue is compounded by SPAM Auto-Bots doing flood posts to the forum ... effectively placing unwanted load on the gateway(s) - similar to a DoS attack.
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Would it not be useful to put some kinda Captcha in place for posting on the forums? maybe a system where you have to enter one every few posts, that would ensure the post are automated
Most spam subjects are known from prior floods...these should be continuely filtered before they can create a thread!
Chaps,
You have my sympathy. Do hope you can find a solution to this soon as the user experience is pretty bad at the moment.
Speed of access to forums on XDA has been dreadfully slow over the last month, usually ending in the dreaded error 502 message which effectively means game over until the network traffic reduces.
I assume you have "blockers" e.g. not allowing multiple searches within n seconds of a previous request, and other denial of service prevention techniques in place?
All I can say is that, at the moment, using XDA is very frustrating to use, that is if one is lucky to get onto the site in the first place. Hope you get it sorted soon.
Good luck.
Thanks
WB
Yeah, it seems that there has been a downtime over the last hour (beginning from about GMT 03:15 PM) as well.
The site loading time has been very slow as well... but, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I'm just noticing .
Dunno what yall are using to combat the spambots but I have been using fail2ban and having it scan the user agent strings and ban them with a firewall level ban. Works pretty well as after the initial contact they get blocked and cause less load.
I am guess it is google. They are pretty evil, keep fighting the good fight XDA
I sufered...
Wow!
I think this is the most big time with XDA down!
More than 5 hrs went down on here.
You do not value something till you lost it!!
Come on guys!!
Lets give a donation to XDA.
Long live to dear XDA
Hopefully the 5 hrs down was to replace and add many more servers...
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Hopefully the 5 hrs down was to replace and add many more servers...
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AMEN to that!
MODs if possible please share the details of what went wrong, some of us here are security/network specialists, and can donate help.
i always get that problem,even i don't post/
Hmmm sounds like XDA's new site is 502.Bad.gateway.com
I have never run a site with more than 100 active users at the same time, let alone 6000+ users at once. The admins here have my respect for keeping this site running as well as they have. My guess is lots of people picked up new phones during this holiday & Black Friday week. Is the site seeing a surge in new visitors?
From the front page:
Currently Active Users: 6323 (2781 members and 3542 guests)
finally i got in!!!!!!
after 5hrs down!!
wow... this sucks! This 502 gate way error happens to me very often... i hope they're working on this issue asap!
rlee
Wow, that was some heavy down time...so much for new servers
And like mike said, the stars have been ripped off...what next

To everyone who contributes to this forum

I have been an unregistered browser of these forums for about a month, but a few days ago I decided to go ahead and sign up. Not sure how much I will be able to contribute, but I have (and am still) learned so much. Its amazing, that little search box up top has answered every single question I had about my android phones. To all the fine folks who run/develope/contribute/post here, THANK YOU!
Thanks kentu,
our main goal is to have satisfied user that enjoy their stay here at XDA and when an user is happy, we are happy.
cheers.
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I have been an unregistered browser of these forums for about a month, but a few days ago I decided to go ahead and sign up. Not sure how much I will be able to contribute, but I have (and am still) learned so much. Its amazing, that little search box up top has answered every single question I had about my android phones. To all the fine folks who run/develope/contribute/post here, THANK YOU!
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af974 said:
Thanks kentu,
our main goal is to have satisfied user that enjoy their stay here at XDA and when an user is happy, we are happy.
cheers.
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Well I just joined and can not contribute to any of the conversations I would like to contribute to because I do not have 10 posts yet so I guess you can count me as unsatisfied at the moment.. I can't even comment on stuff in the marketplace? So I'm forced to contribute BS to conversations I don't care about to get 10 posts so I can join the discussions I want to join. There seems like there has to be a better way.
grim82 said:
Well I just joined and can not contribute to any of the conversations I would like to contribute to because I do not have 10 posts yet so I guess you can count me as unsatisfied at the moment.. I can't even comment on stuff in the marketplace? So I'm forced to contribute BS to conversations I don't care about to get 10 posts so I can join the discussions I want to join. There seems like there has to be a better way.
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Have a look at the following thread as it may help you with your first 10 posts...
Postcount limit in developmental fora
guys,please block the userz that are not replyng to the post,because otherz are waitng for their answerz,why cant this be strict at all?please be considerate to otherz.just a sugestiOn.are they too intelgnt to ignre a newbie like us?,why dnt you try to change your policy..thanks for the concern.
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Give it time and you'll be able to contribute knowledge that the devs don't get to. While they're making sweet roms for us to use the rest of is are here to help others get to know how they work and contribute fixes for people who get unlucky and brick there phones. It took me a couple of weeks to get enough understanding to be able to help and soon enough you'll be there as well.
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA
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guys,please block the userz that are not replyng to the post,because otherz are waitng for their answerz,why cant this be strict at all?please be considerate to otherz.just a sugestiOn.are they too intelgnt to ignre a newbie like us?,why dnt you try to change your policy..thanks for the concern.
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I dont have a problem with the 10 post rule. Just take the time go be constructive with your posts, and when you reply to someone post try to add something helpful. As you can see I'm not at 10, but i'll be there soon, no worries.
I'm really enjoying the site
Sent from my YP-G70 using XDA
Thank you for the attitude you have about the 10 post rule.
kentu3 said:
I dont have a problem with the 10 post rule. Just take the time go be constructive with your posts, and when you reply to someone post try to add something helpful. As you can see I'm not at 10, but i'll be there soon, no worries.
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Thank you for searching to find your answers. A rare trait in new members nowadays.
kentu3 said:
I have been an unregistered browser of these forums for about a month, but a few days ago I decided to go ahead and sign up. Not sure how much I will be able to contribute, but I have (and am still) learned so much. Its amazing, that little search box up top has answered every single question I had about my android phones. To all the fine folks who run/develope/contribute/post here, THANK YOU!
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If only more new members were like you two. Welcome to XDA. Hope you enjoy it here.
Much thanks, boborone
I am a member of several different types of forums (Various Video Game, and Electronics), and one thing they all have in common is the Basics.
kentu3 said:
I have been an unregistered browser of these forums for about a month, but a few days ago I decided to go ahead and sign up. Not sure how much I will be able to contribute, but I have (and am still) learned so much. Its amazing, that little search box up top has answered every single question I had about my android phones. To all the fine folks who run/develope/contribute/post here, THANK YOU!
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Would have to agree with you kentu3. MOst of the questions have already been answered if you search.
Another thing that I do before posting a question about ROM "xyz" is to read the whole thread on that rom. You would be or not be suprised as to how many times the same question gets asked.
Thanks again kentu3 for this thread, and a big thanks to the DEV's and MOD's who make this site worth visiting
Hi! New here. I for one like the 10 post rule because it helps keeping it clean and when you surpass the limit you have proven yourself worthy.
Coming from a wide range of other communities, also as admin or moderator, I instantly knew XDA's rule was brilliant. Looking forward to contributing in any way I can.
Now I'm gonna try and find out how to find this Thanks-button in XDA app
/M
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mookan said:
Hi! New here. I for one like the 10 post rule because it helps keeping it clean and when you surpass the limit you have proven yourself worthy.
Coming from a wide range of other communities, also as admin or moderator, I instantly knew XDA's rule was brilliant. Looking forward to contributing in any way I can.
Now I'm gonna try and find out how to find this Thanks-button in XDA app
/M
Sent from my GT-I9100
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You can 'thank' a post in XDA by long-pressing on the post
Welcome to all of you by the way, and enjoy your time here. It's a wonderful resource
Found it Thanks!
Starting to get the hang of this, but XDA is just so big!
Quick tip for new users:
Make sure you follow @xdadevelopers on Twitter
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Afther i saw how cool for me was learn about my phone see how many things i can do to my phone using the developers information i was like wow this people deserve everybody constribution thast why i became premium thansk guys!!
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium
I'm kind of new here too and I've notice this site takes a long time to load. Does anyone have that problem?
Meyer23 said:
I'm kind of new here too and I've notice this site takes a long time to load. Does anyone have that problem?
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It is quite an ad-heavy site unless you use a blocker of some description. There's also a mammoth amount of content. I've seen a lot of people mention load times as a downfall, but to be honest I don't notice it taking any longer than some of the other tech sites I frequent
Load times are such a subjective thing though, everyone will differ. What browser do you use? Firefox seems to pop up a lot re: slow load times.
Well I typically do most of my surfing at work, which I use IE right now. Don't have much of a choice. I downloaded Firefox a while back but it never worked right. Not sure if it's because of the firewall or whatever here, (I have no idea how that all works) but Firefox was terrible. I tried to get Chrome but it's blocked too.
The slowness to me isn't really a huge deal, just curious why as other forums I frequent load pretty fast. But the more I surf around here, there is a TON of info.
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Well I typically do most of my surfing at work, which I use IE right now. Don't have much of a choice. I downloaded Firefox a while back but it never worked right. Not sure if it's because of the firewall or whatever here, (I have no idea how that all works) but Firefox was terrible. I tried to get Chrome but it's blocked too.
The slowness to me isn't really a huge deal, just curious why as other forums I frequent load pretty fast. But the more I surf around here, there is a TON of info.
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I use IE (6) at work too Ed, and it's noticeably (horribly) slower than Chrome at home. Likewise, all other options are restriced here for me.
For personal use at home, the latest Chrome with Ad Blocker Pro (free) works extremely well at speeding up the genera;l browsing experience here at XDA. It is a resource-heavy forum so it still takes a little longer to load, but that's the price I pay for the wealth of information here, to me personally anyway
Could be worse, I was on 56k at home until last year when they upgraded our RIM (out in woop-woop)

"IMAGE VERIFICATION" is too difficult to read

I am new here. And this is my first post. Do you guys feel that IMAGE VERIFICATION is very difficult to identify when you want to post thread or reply? I have to refresh the image several times to get an easy one. I am not a native english speaker, as you can see it from my pic.
BTW: I really want to see the "Thanks" button, I know it should be at the bottom of every post near the "quote" button. I have searched for this and see someone saying after his first post he can see this button. So hope I get luck.
There is already at least one thread on this - they are called 'Captchas'
They don't last forever - but this is all part of the process to protect the site from trolls and commercial spammers.
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I am new here. And this is my first post. Do you guys feel that IMAGE VERIFICATION is very difficult to identify when you want to post thread or reply? I have to refresh the image several times to get an easy one. I am not a native english speaker, as you can see it from my pic.
BTW: I really want to see the "Thanks" button, I know it should be at the bottom of every post near the "quote" button. I have searched for this and see someone saying after his first post he can see this button. So hope I get luck.
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I feel you on this :banghead: I hate them, I would have to try to 10 or so times to post.
I purchased the XDA PREMIUM app. It's is great, no Captcha's even for new members
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I feel you! I'm having the same problem. Hope it won't be for long.
Sent from my GT-I9003 using xda premium
there are so many kind of anti spam solutions, not only text captchas.
Moreover this captchas here are more difficult than other sites (sometimes I have to refresh 7-8 times or more... )
The xda captcha is ReCaptcha last I checked.
It's actually one of the easier in my experience. It only lasts for a few posts though until your account is validated
you should read some of the guides that will help you understand how this fourm works,
the first 5 will have Captcha
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1699450
Thanks for posting that link for me(I know I should use the thank button instead of saying thanks, but I would like to do it both).
Maybe it means your a spam robot lol
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that guide is incorrect, or i have missed something (quite likely).
i still have them after 8 posts.
imo its not nearly as bad as some i see. if its a bit to hard refresh it a few times till you find a easier to read one the two arrows in a circle to the right will refresh it and give you a new captcha. some forums use really ridiculous ones. really this ones not bad i just dont like it seems to be for every post you make. maybe once when you log in would be far easier but hey a LOT of great info here so im not complaining.
That normally ends around the 6th post.
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imo its not nearly as bad as some i see. if its a bit to hard refresh it a few times till you find a easier to read one the two arrows in a circle to the right will refresh it and give you a new captcha. some forums use really ridiculous ones. really this ones not bad i just dont like it seems to be for every post you make. maybe once when you log in would be far easier but hey a LOT of great info here so im not complaining.
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Lollipop Camera Question

Can the M8 shoot Raw in lollipop ?
If yes can someone post a sample of both front and rear camera.
Need Samples to extract data to fix raw for the non GPE m8 still on kit kat
thanks .
Bumping as I have the same question.
I am running CM12 nightly based on Android 5.0.2 and I would love to be able to shoot RAW with my HTC ONE M8.
I'm a photographer, and as far as I know the cameras on phones don't have that... RAW capability because they lack the sensor that RAW uses. However it seems theirs an app that does its best to use the sensors on the camera to get RAW (Just not as good as a standard camera)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
download it and give it a try?
.Ryker said:
I'm a photographer, and as far as I know the cameras on phones don't have that... RAW capability because they lack the sensor that RAW uses. However it seems theirs an app that does its best to use the sensors on the camera to get RAW (Just not as good as a standard camera)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
download it and give it a try?
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I guess this app won't work. I wont risk my money just to try it.
* Requires Android 5.0+ and a fully compliant Camera2 implementation. Currently only LG Nexus 5 and Motorola Nexus 6.
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I guess this app won't work. I wont risk my money just to try it.
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Thats true, you could always get a refund but... its iffy. I'm currently beating on that HTC hasn't implemented a RAW update.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2760705
Raw capability is nothing to do with the sensor! On any camera or phone! It just means the device stores the data created by the sensor as it is captured, rather than post processing the output and compressing it to a jpg file!
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Raw capability is nothing to do with the sensor! On any camera or phone! It just means the device stores the data created by the sensor as it is captured, rather than post processing the output and compressing it to a jpg file!
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"Thanks" for bumping a thread that has been dead for 9 months, so you can not-answer the questions posed by the OP.
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"Thanks" for bumping a thread that has been dead for 9 months, so you can not-answer the questions posed by the OP.
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You are welcome - Maybe now it will get answered!
This is the problem with forums around the interweb... Threads that are left open with incorrect information in them - Is it any wonder people struggle to find the correct information they require. Or spend hours reading multipage threads that don't help.
I also hate it when forum lurkers jump on people for not using google - It's usually google that brought them their in the first place! If you know the answer already exists, link them to it, if not keep the sarcasm to yourself! Or at least give them a specific search term to use in google!
If someone in the street asked you where the nearest post office was, would you feck them off with a 'go search google', or would you help them out??? If lots of people asked you this question obviously there is a problem with signage. Its way to easy to be flippant when sat behind a keyboard and monitor! Treat people on the net the way you would in person!
If the thread is too old to reply to, it should be closed! If it is solved it should be closed! If not, which it isn't, keep your waste of characters to yourself! My post may well be late, but it was factual and OT if not an answer to the OP, it was correcting a misconception of the OP that RAW capability is something sensor specific, when infact it is software and memory speed/capacity specific!
RAW capture is basically that, your saving the 'raw' data stream as it came from the sensor, and not a compressed and lossy version/interpretation of that data! For that you usually need high speed and fairly large capacity RAM/storage.
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I also hate it when forum lurkers jump on people for not using google - It's usually google that brought them their in the first place! If you know the answer already exists, link them to it, if not keep the sarcasm to yourself! Or at least give them a specific search term to use in google!
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"Forum lurker", that's funny. My credentials speak for themselves as a helpful member of this community.
I never said anything about using Google, so you seem to be making up stuff in your head. Or incorrectly transposing your some other previous negative experience onto me.
You're getting far too defensive. I didn't insult you or call you names (which is more than can be said for you - the irony in your "hiding behind the keyboard" statement). I simply pointed out, entirely factually, that you dug up an old obscure thread, and then didn't even answer the main question posed. I tiny bit of sarcasm with the quotes around "Thank you" but that's it.
Its not anything I would shy away from saying to someone's face IRL.
And expecting someone to use some common sense when posting is hardly asking too much.
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"Forum lurker", that's funny. My credentials speak for themselves as a helpful member of this community.
I never said anything about using Google, so you seem to be making up stuff in your head. Or incorrectly transposing your some other previous negative experience onto me.
You're getting far too defensive. I didn't insult you or call you names (which is more than can be said for you - the irony in your "hiding behind the keyboard" statement). I simply pointed out, entirely factually, that you dug up an old obscure thread, and then didn't even answer the main question posed. I tiny bit of sarcasm with the quotes around "Thank you" but that's it.
Its not anything I would shy away from saying to someone's face IRL.
And expecting someone to use some common sense when posting is hardly asking too much.
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I did bring up some generic forum fails, and those comments admittedly were never intended to be directed at you personally.
For that sir please accept my apologies.
I had been trying to find something and had spent a few hours trawling threads to no avail. I have been a member of many forums going back almost 20 years, and all too many times have I seen long term members being hostile to 'new' or less knowledgeable people because they can't google - well google is now over run with search results from forum threads that lead nowhere because of this very attitude. Perpetuating the problem!
It was the thing about the thread being old, I've seen it many times before. SO WHAT, its old!
Isaac Newtons theories are old, but if someone today found something that required a correction, do you think they wouldn't bother?
The information I added to this 'old' thread is relevant and may be even educational to anyone else who may stumble upon it.
Maybe admins should automatically lock threads older than 3 months?!?! Would that be a good thing - Probably not!
I will leave it at that now, and be sure not to post on here in anything less than a current thread!

Please increase Thanks limit to more than 8

I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
I presume that one of the main reasons why the limit is unlikely to be increased is due to what you already stated - devaluing the Thanks feature.
The Thanks count on people's profiles is, in my opinion, kinda irrelevant as is because it doesn't help gauge a members helpfulness/quality of work etc. That's proven by those members who post junk and can still get a bunch of Thanks on that post. Increasing the limit will increase the chances of that happening and will therefore mean the Thanks meter on members profiles will count for even less.
The limit has been 8 for quite a while and will probably stay that way because generally all 8 won't be used in a single day anyway. There are, of course, exceptions (just like the situation you described or perhaps you'd feel the need to use more if you hang around in some of the theme threads for example) but you could always use your available Thanks and then Thank the other posts the following day. I realize that may not exactly be ideal but is certainly a way around.
Using a mobile app to access the forums will give you more to use, so that's probably a more viable option for you, rather than waiting for a different day to hand them out.
What he said. Almost no one even pays attention to the thanks meter any more, only new members even bother with it. It was made pointless long ago.
@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
I think the thanks is a nice touch. I try to donate to people whenever possible. Some people don't want, or won't accept donations though. I'm sure those people still enjoy being thanked.
I think if the way the older members and site staff feel about Thanks is as indicated above, than the feature should just be removed.
Else, I think the limit should be removed. It's a quick change. I don't really see the harm in a post getting too many thanks.
I have left tabs open in my browser from yesterday, for the people I need to thank still. I still can't thank them because the time hasn't rolled around yet.
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I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
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that's maybe 8 thanks right there in your OP (S OFF then root, recovery, ROM, guides), and it's a one time deal... Also that phone is the extreme case...
I don't see where you'd need 20 honestly.
ИΘΘK¡€ said:
@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
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I'd say continue to use them as you have been considering they still serve a purpose. They were added to the site so that it would cut down on posts simply saying "Thanks", thus cluttering the threads with posts which add no value to the threads. In that respect, the Thanks button has done it's job effectively.
The thing is, even though we've said that not many people really care about the Thanks, it's more the Thanks count which is irrelevant. A lot of members still like to receive Thanks as it's, generally, a quick and easy way for the member to know that they've been able to help someone out in one way or another.
I don't hand out many Thanks these days considering I don't often need help with anything and therefore wouldn't need to Thank someone for helping me out. But when I have been helped out, I will certainly give them a Thank considering that's what it's used for.
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I think the thanks is a nice touch. I try to donate to people whenever possible. Some people don't want, or won't accept donations though. I'm sure those people still enjoy being thanked.
I think if the way the older members and site staff feel about Thanks is as indicated above, than the feature should just be removed.
Else, I think the limit should be removed. It's a quick change. I don't really see the harm in a post getting too many thanks.
I have left tabs open in my browser from yesterday, for the people I need to thank still. I still can't thank them because the time hasn't rolled around yet.
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As mentioned above, it's not necessarily the Thanks button that I have a problem with but more the Thanks count (purely because in a lot of cases it leads to people wanting to get a lot of Thanks, for no real reason, simply so their Thanks meter can look more impressive as they can "beat" other members total Thanks.
That being the case, I still think the limit shouldn't be removed considering it can be a vague (sometimes more vague than others) way to gauge how helpful a member has been over their time as a member. The only part of the Thanks system which I'd like to see removed is the Thanks meter, but as it's still intact there's likely a reason the admins have got for leaving it as is.
ИΘΘK¡€ said:
@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
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The best thanks you can give anyone is by learning and sharing what you learned. Many developers are more excited and happy to see someone that took what they learned and then turned around and gave back to the community.
If it makes you feel better then by all means. Continue to give thanks.
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I'd say continue to use them as you have been considering they still serve a purpose. They were added to the site so that it would cut down on posts simply saying "Thanks", thus cluttering the threads with posts which add no value to the threads. In that respect, the Thanks button has done it's job effectively.
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Thank you, and agreed.
KidCarter93 said:
The thing is, even though we've said that not many people really care about the Thanks, it's more the Thanks count which is irrelevant. A lot of members still like to receive Thanks as it's, generally, a quick and easy way for the member to know that they've been able to help someone out in one way or another.
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I also agree and am among the "a lot of members" you mentioned.
KidCarter93 said:
I don't hand out many Thanks these days considering I don't often need help with anything and therefore wouldn't need to Thank someone for helping me out. But when I have been helped out, I will certainly give them a Thank considering that's what it's used for.
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I am in pretty much the same boat - I mostly help other people nowadays, very rarely do I need or request help. However, I do generally use up all of my Thanks per day on posts that, for example, I don't want/need to reply to but I do want the member to know I saw it and liked it.
So, that's my two cents on the matter. Thanks again!
EDIT - @zelendel, thank you, too, for your sage advice. :good:
When does the Limit Refreh?
At which time in GMT+1 can i re-do 8 Thanks?
Hannah Stern said:
At which time in GMT+1 can i re-do 8 Thanks?
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You can use your next days thanks 24 hours after the previous days. So if you use your first Thank at 10AM, your first one the next day couldn't be used until 10AM
8 Thanks, 1 Limit, 0 Sense
KidCarter93 said:
I presume that one of the main reasons why the limit is unlikely to be increased is due to what you already stated - devaluing the Thanks feature.
The Thanks count on people's profiles is, in my opinion, kinda irrelevant as is because it doesn't help gauge a members helpfulness/quality of work etc. That's proven by those members who post junk and can still get a bunch of Thanks on that post. Increasing the limit will increase the chances of that happening and will therefore mean the Thanks meter on members profiles will count for even less.
The limit has been 8 for quite a while and will probably stay that way because generally all 8 won't be used in a single day anyway. There are, of course, exceptions (just like the situation you described or perhaps you'd feel the need to use more if you hang around in some of the theme threads for example) but you could always use your available Thanks and then Thank the other posts the following day. I realize that may not exactly be ideal but is certainly a way around.
Using a mobile app to access the forums will give you more to use, so that's probably a more viable option for you, rather than waiting for a different day to hand them out.
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It's very polite and kind to use the Thanks-Button.
Active users maybe need x 20 - every day!
In my opinion, this limit makes low-sense...
...maybe just for low-activity users.
And i think, that this limit should be removed or increased to 20 or so for Senior Members / Higher.
All the best!
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ИΘΘK¡€ said:
@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
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Good Question
Hannah Stern said:
It's very polite and kind to use the Thanks-Button.
Active users maybe need x 20 - every day!
In my opinion, this limit makes low-sense...
...maybe just for low-activity users.
And i think, that this limit should be removed or increased to 20 or so for Senior Members / Higher.
All the best!
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I understand that it's polite to use the Thanks button but there's still no need for nowhere near that many.
Even as a moderator we don't have that many available to us - we get 15.
I'm not as active on here as I once was, mainly due to working long shifts, but even when I was extremely active on here I wouldn't go through my allotted 8 per day. There's only been 1 or 2 situations where 8 wasn't enough. In those instances, I'd asked for help with an issue I was having (therefore I was thanking the posts that were helping me solve my issue) and I also thanked a couple of posts which didn't help me but would help a lot of other members and was a great resource. All I did in those situations was either wait a couple of hours for a Thank to become available again or would use the XDA app.
While my thanking habits are clearly different to yours, changes are only generally made to XDA if it will benefit the majority not a minority. I'm sure there are a ton of people who feel that 8 isn't enough but it's fine for the majority of members here. Also, increasing the limit to such an amount would likely lead to people asking/begging for more Thanks and would, in turn, devalue the Thanks count more so than it already is.
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Protonus said:
I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
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that's maybe 8 thanks right there in your OP (S OFF then root, recovery, ROM, guides), and it's a one time deal... Also that phone is the extreme case...
I don't see where you'd need 20 honestly.
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...but i do!
8 Thanks is mayybe a little bit too low.
The 10-Post Rule isn't a big problem because 10 posts are easy-peasy
But the limit to 8 thanks is a problem (not a big one)
I don't want to sound stupid right here, but if i reach the Limit, i make a list of post which i still want to thank :laugh:
You can thank somebody at the next day, if you're not able to use the thanks button right now.
...but why don't do it RIGHT NOW instead of that day?
Most of the users on XDA aren't Thank-Spammers.
There are more thank-friendly users that give a thanks for very small and big and useful posts (i am also one of these) but there are also members, who do this only for very useful posts.
Using the thanks button is just polite.
And if somebody knows the 8-Thanks-Limit, he/she's possibly saving on thanks.
I am not someone who begs for thanks, but it's very rare to find a member which gets thanks for useless things like thank me and i'll thank your post.
What is the limit actually for?
What do we want to prevent with this limit?
And why is the limit just 8?
I'm completely satisfied with my thanks-count of 39
Protonus said:
I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
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You can say that again!
Also 15 is very low for a Forum Moderator i think.
How about Administrators like @svetius etc.?
What thanks limit have they actually got?
20?
I don't have anything agianst XDA but when i came new to XDA, i thought that anybody's count of thanks were unlimited!
A bad scenario for members who die, if they get no thanks is the limit of INCOMING Thanks. But this limit does not exist!
...and also - there's no Post Limit / Login per day Limit / Quote or Meniton users-per-day Limit. But a limit of thanks that you can give per day.
Hrm... let's increase to 20.
What problems will come, if we incrase to 20?
fortunately, there's no Dislike/Thumbs-down button for posts :laugh:
@Hannah Stern, I believe we all know and respect your personal opinion about a larger Thanks limit, but in all honesty, because of how already devalued Thanks are (i.e., some of the best devs have less than 1,000, while other people who make junk have upward of 5,000), I'd recommend just Thanking the people who you want to Thank unyil you reach your limit, and then just forget about Thanking people any more until the next time you can. Don't spend all your time worrying about how so-and-so won't get what he/she deserves unless I Thank their post - that is just unnecessary anxiety. Go with the flow, and try your best not to worry, as it's highly unlikely that the admins are going to raise the limit.
ИΘΘK¡€ said:
@Hannah Stern, I believe we all know and respect your personal opinion about a larger Thanks limit, but in all honesty, because of how already devalued Thanks are (i.e., some of the best devs have less than 1,000, while other people who make junk have upward of 5,000), I'd recommend just Thanking the people who you want to Thank unyil you reach your limit, and then just forget about Thanking people any more until the next time you can. Don't spend all your time worrying about how so-and-so won't get what he/she deserves unless I Thank their post - that is just unnecessary anxiety. Go with the flow, and try your best not to worry, as it's highly unlikely that the admins are going to raise the limit.
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I don't really worry about it.
And i know, that admins may very unlikely set the limit up.
So what's the real value/worth of the Thanks Button, if nobody is able to use it very properly?
How about Administrators (Svetius/MikeChannon/BitPushr), what thanks limit do they have?
What problems will occur, if the Numbers get increased?
I already know that what you told me but thank you however
...and have a good day!
Hannah Stern said:
I don't really worry about it.
And i know, that admins may very unlikely set the limit up.
So what's the real value/worth of the Thanks Button, if nobody is able to use it very properly?
How about Administrators (Svetius/MikeChannon/BitPushr), what thanks limit do they have?
What problems will occur, if the Numbers get increased?
I already know that what you told me but thank you however
...and have a good day!
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What are their thanks? Who knows but to be honest what would they use them for.
I'll be honest thanks count are really pointless. Only new members even pay attention I know 90% of the devs don't look at the number or even use them. I have even been asked by a few for a way to disable it completely.
Hannah Stern said:
I don't really worry about it.
And i know, that admins may very unlikely set the limit up.
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You're on the right track!
Hannah Stern said:
So what's the real value/worth of the Thanks Button, if nobody is able to use it very properly?
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In reality, there is pretty much none. I just consider them a fun feature - not really anything of actual value. By the way, we actually are using it properly - the limit is the "proper" use of Thanks, according to the admins.
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How about Administrators (Svetius/MikeChannon/BitPushr), what thanks limit do they have?
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Nobody really knows except the admins themselves, but I'd give it a safe guess that they don't have one. I mean, since they are, after all, the admins, what would be the point of making a limitation for themselves?
Am I right in that logic?
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What problems will occur, if the Numbers get increased?
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The main problem would be that members have even more opportunities to Thank people who often don't need or want excessive Thanks. 8 is a liberal number in this case IMHO - I mean, would you be happier if it were 5?
xD
ИΘΘK¡€ said:
You're on the right track!
In reality, there is pretty much none. I just consider them a fun feature - not really anything of actual value. By the way, we actually are using it properly - the limit is the "proper" use of Thanks, according to the admins.
Nobody really knows except the admins themselves, but I'd give it a safe guess that they don't have one. I mean, since they are, after all, the admins, what would be the point of making a limitation for themselves?
Am I right in that logic?
The main problem would be that members have even more opportunities to Thank people who often don't need or want excessive Thanks. 8 is a liberal number in this case IMHO - I mean, would you be happier if it were 5?
xD
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5 Per day is horribly / terribly low.
Why don't increase the Thank's limit, if it's just "a useless fun feature" ?
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5 Per day is horribly / terribly low.
Why don't increase the Thank's limit, if it's just "a useless fun feature" ?
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To tell you the truth, I don't really know or care that much - my inability to Thank people after 8 a day is not very high on my priority list. If you want to really try, you can respectfully PM @svetius and explain your dilemma.
From my point of view, this topic is closed - I don't need to post here again. I've stated my personal opinion, answered your questions, and am ready to move on.
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