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No manufacturers going to change it up?

I am wondering if any manufacturers are going to be different anytime soon? I am hoping that by July we will see a little "fragmentation" i.e. we have tegra 2 phone with 32GB data and a SAMOLED screen.
Or is chassis 1 very, very strict, that we are only going to see specs x.

well MS has set all minimum specs, but I'm guessing that for things like CPU, MS should define what manufacturers can use as they're all too scared to just put any chip in without causing damage to the WP image. Most of the variations at present can really come from the camera, on board memory (and sd slot), and the screen type. Everything else you'll find to be quite similar at this stage, but hopefully MS defines the other 2 chassis type so that more variations can come about.

Meh, its annoying that the closest to what I want is a slider.
I plan on never having a slider again after seeing pretty much every person who owned a slider(including me) have it break. Conditions don't seem to suit sliders much.
16GB, 4" AMOLED screen, SD slot and audio quality coming out of the phone that is just as good the the Zune HD's.
Omnia 7 just misses it by no SD slot, 16GB almost impossible to get in SA, and the audio out seems to have missed all the low bass?!
I use quality headphones + an amp, or I plug my phone into my speaker system or my car. I will notice those frequencies...
Though one thing I do not care for, definately goes to speaker quality, neer really cared about that.

Agree! if just ONE manufacture put their whole effort into 1 of their WP7 phones, it would wipe the floor with the competition and give us all an obvious choice when it comes to selecting a wp7 phone. instead, the choice is difficult and they are technically no better than the 18 month old HD2 if just one of these new phones had for example a front facing camera, 32gb nand memory or more... ive no doubt it would be everyones pick.

I think the Samsung Omnia is the best device, however its a shame that it only comes with 8GB memory and no way to expand it.

Phone Titan said:
I think the Samsung Omnia is the best device, however its a shame that it only comes with 8GB memory and no way to expand it.
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That's why the Venue Pro is better

Jim Coleman said:
That's why the Venue Pro is better
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I love this phone all except for slider if it was as slim as the HD7 I would not hesitate in getting one. The 4.1 AMOLED screen is just right and 16 GB memory will get me buy for now.

if i was patient enough i probably wuld have got the venue pro if it has 16gb

agp64 said:
I love this phone all except for slider if it was as slim as the HD7 I would not hesitate in getting one. The 4.1 super AMOLED screen is just right and 16 GB memory will get me buy for now.
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It's AMOLED without "Super". AFAIK, only Samsung phones have S-AMOLED display.

The chassis only stated minimums... The OEMS aren't building more expensive devices because they don't have to. When the OS has picked up and is selling more, then you'll see the superphones (The first Android phone was not an Evo)

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It's AMOLED without "Super". AFAIK, only Samsung phones have S-AMOLED display.
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Sorry my mistake.[Fixed] I was just reading up on the difference and the super looks a fair bit better again.

[Q] What would you like to see in the next HTC Phone?

What would you like to see in the next HTC Phone? Choose? And also post what you would like to see and have.

Good hardware. I.e., a camera sensor that doesn't suck, use of NAND rather than SD card for storage, screens which doesn't look washed out.
HTC has a lot of stepping up to do for me to consider another device from them. I was pretty happy with my HD2, but the HD7 I initially picked up went back to the store real quick. In the end I ended up with the Omnia 7 from Samsung instead.

Hardware
I switched for the first time from HTC, couldn't accept the Surround. Get rid of that rediculous speaker setup and replace it with their great keyboard. At least a 4.3" screen equal to the Super AMOLED of the Samsung Focus, maximum amount of internal memory (32GB would be fine with me), HDMI port.

I would vote for 32GB+ NAND flash for sure, all other things aren't important as far as I'm concerned.
More importantly, I'd like to see more than one next HTC WP7 phone (just as Samsung phones, and phones from other OEMs).
Because at this point of time, sales numbers for the next few quarters will determine the fate of WP7. And without phones you won't get those numbers. None of the OEMs is or will be capable of making just one phone that'll drive the OS forward.
No matter how much MS will talk about "sales aren't important" and "we're in it for the long haul", they are facing lots of pressure from investors, this isn't the time of XBox launch. Unlike many, I don't think that the launch was a failure (getting 2% of smartphone sales is awesome with so few devices and on half the carriers), but MS will need to ramp it up aggressively, and it can't be done by ads alone no matter how much they spend.
That there are no leaks with MWC looming is troubling.

Tegra 2, lots of NAND, 4" SLCD.

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That there are no leaks with MWC looming is troubling.
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Agreed. During the initial launch we knew about pretty much every phone that was going to be released by this point. The only thing I've seen this time around is that Asus phone.
As for what I'd want in the next phone, physical buttons and half-decent build quality.

Microsoft knows that it has a major uphill battle. Most phone sales are due to word of mouth (a friend has one and loves/hates it) over TV ads. Windows Mobile had a bad rap when compared to Android and the iPhoney, due to its lack of upgrades.
Microsoft needs to blow the lid off this, work with providers to make KICK ASS phones that people want for fair prices.
As for HTC phones, anything over a 4.3" display is getting a little too big (don't people keep their phones in their pockets ?)for a phone. This is getting into the tablet area but, if there is NO QWERTY keyboard, the display MUST be at least 4"
Fast, "great quality, good sized display", modern tech (DLNA, FM, A-GPS, NFC...etc), QWERTY keyboard with a small form factor. If HTC has it, great, if someone else, maybe then it's for me.
I was loyal to HTC for a while but, I have had some crappy phones, so I am open to try others to see how good they are.

DavidinCT said:
I was loyal to HTC for a while but, I have had some crappy phones, so I am open to try others to see how good they are.
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The great thing about WP7 is that it doesn't really matter (shhh, don't tell OEMs). It makes a huge difference. My Mozart is the first HTC phone I've had that doesn't need a new ROM. It's marvellous what no OEM software does to a phone.

vangrieg said:
The great thing about WP7 is that it doesn't really matter (shhh, don't tell OEMs). It makes a huge difference. My Mozart is the first HTC phone I've had that doesn't need a new ROM. It's marvellous what no OEM software does to a phone.
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Was not talking about Software, I was talking about hardware (I had 12 XV6800s...YES, 12, because they would always break)

A decent fast keyboard device please!!!!!

orb3000 said:
A decent fast keyboard device please!!!!!
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let me drop a nice link for you then
http://www.htc.com/www/product/7pro/overview.html

To the OP:
You should change the QuadBand World Phone to Pentaband 3G. That's what should become the new standard for high end phones at this point.

I want dual core processor, 1gb RAM, better camera sensor/software and a hardware keyboard in a device with a 4" SLCD. Maybe one with LTE support
Problem HTC?

1. higher class of hardware (screen, speaker...)
2. a real IO port for using external addons (TV-out, IR remote control, bio sensors...)

Mango Devices: Samsung lineup

Let's see, we have:
1) Samsung Focus S announced by AT&T
2) Samsung Focus Flash announced by AT&T
3) Samsung Omnia 7 S (made up name) leaked by the FCC
All these seem to sport Super AMOLED screens which is great. We do need information on availability and storage options but the Focus S sounds very promising. Today I'm much more likely to buy a Samsung Mango phone over a HTC.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-SGH-i708-hits-the-FCC-a-WP-Mango-remake-of-the-Omnia-7_id21955
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/12/samsung-focus-focus-flash-headed-att-windows-phone-7-mango-on-board/

Focus or go home, pretty much. It's the best device confirmed to be coming out now.
4.3" SA+ screen @ WVGA is a lot more bearable than 4.7" SLCD @ WVGA. 1.4 GHz almost as good as 1.5. It has a 32 GB Option IIRC. Samsung tends to use NAND in their phones, so I'm hoping for that. Decent cameras, and the sound and cell radio are almost guaranteed to be better than HTC devices.
Too bad AT&T axed Unlimited Data. That's a showstopper for me, and I'm guessing lots of other people.

N8ter said:
Focus or go home, pretty much. It's the best device confirmed to be coming out now.
4.3" SA+ screen @ WVGA is a lot more bearable than 4.7" SLCD @ WVGA. 1.4 GHz almost as good as 1.5. It has a 32 GB Option IIRC. Samsung tends to use NAND in their phones, so I'm hoping for that. Decent cameras, and the sound and cell radio are almost guaranteed to be better than HTC devices.
Too bad AT&T axed Unlimited Data. That's a showstopper for me, and I'm guessing lots of other people.
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Super excited for the Focus S, assuming at least 24 GB will be available. Now, let's see what else will be coming out around that time...

@N8ter where did you get that 32GB info? Storage hasn't been mentioned. I hope it's a Worldwide phone unlike the first Focus.
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It's heresay. I have seen it mentioned by a few people at different sites. Sorry. That's why I put the "IIRC" part It's questionable.
If it has no 32GB option it'll be dead to me.
I'll buy a new iPod instead. Really, this is getting ridiculous.
I wonder if the new iPhone will have a 4" screen...
I spent about 2 grand on phones in 2010-2011. I'll be frugal for the next few years, so whatever phone I get in the next 1-3 months well... I'll just take a contract out cause I won't be giving anything else a try.
They better knock this **** out of the ballpark. Really, they're running out of chances and it's not like the issue of low storage in the devices wasn't a hot topic following the release of the 1st gen WP7 devices...

Though it voids the warranty WP7 are not hard to upgrade the memory. i'm being alittle hypocritical pointing this out, consdiering I bought a 32gb DVP when I could saved $100 getting a cheaper one with lower storage and upgrading. Prior to the DVP comingto AT&T I also got an HTC surround over the LG b/c of storage, though I prefer physical keyboards.

It depends on what WP7 device you have. It's not easy to upgrade the storage on an HD7. There is no user-accessible SD Card Slot. You literally have to open some of these phones up to get at those slots. Lots of devices have tape inside that clearly indicates if teh phone has been opened up. Some of them have stuff in the screws that makes it obvious if you even stuck a screwdriver in them, nevermind opened it up, and they'll void your warranty if that's been tampered with (they won't even touch it, they'll just say you're on your own - I know people this has happened to).
That's like saying it's not hard to remove the battery from an iPhone, in many cases.
$100 to go from 15 to 32G when you can be absolutely assured that it will work correctly is worth it. Many of us would have paid that, but we didn't get the choice - at all.
The DVP didn't have a 32G option until many months after it was released. For the first 6 months or so all Dell Had were 8 and 16 GB options.
Plus that device only has 256MB RAM, IIRC, which is a showstopper for me. Not to mention the camera on it is beyond terrible.

No. The DVP has 512 but the early tmo ones had a bug where the system only read half of the memory.
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This time around I'm a little undecided. I'm leaning towards the Focus S, but I would consider the Titan too. I would like to have a physical keyboard as well, but it seems all of the Mango devices aren't available with that option. I guess I might hold out for a little while, but I would like to upgrade before the end of the year.

macjr82 said:
No. The DVP has 512 but the early tmo ones had a bug where the system only read half of the memory.
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Good to hear. Thanks for correcting that.

The Omnia W has been officially announced today. If anyone can find full specs, please post them
http://wmpoweruser.com/new-samsung-windows-phone-device-omnia-w-announced/
http://asia.cnet.com/crave/samsung-announces-wp7-omnia-w-62211163.htm

Here are the specs: http://sammyhub.com/2011/09/26/samsung-announces-mango-os-running-omnia-w/
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No SAMOLED+ and just a 3.7" screen...disappointing.

george232 said:
No SAMOLED+ and just a 3.7" screen...disappointing.
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Supposedly it has lower specs so that it is priced competitively, makes total sense to me since they're already releasing the Focus S with SAMOLED+ and a 4.3" screen.

Jesus, these announcements are going to turn me into a WP7 hater soon.
Just what's wrong with these OEMs? Why in the world do they equate high end with oversized screens?
I'm don't want to go any bigger than 4", but 8GB of storage and PenTile? Screw it.

N8ter said:
It depends on what WP7 device you have. It's not easy to upgrade the storage on an HD7. There is no user-accessible SD Card Slot. You literally have to open some of these phones up to get at those slots. Lots of devices have tape inside that clearly indicates if teh phone has been opened up. Some of them have stuff in the screws that makes it obvious if you even stuck a screwdriver in them, nevermind opened it up, and they'll void your warranty if that's been tampered with (they won't even touch it, they'll just say you're on your own - I know people this has happened to).
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There's a pretty easy to follow guide to change the HD7's SD Card without voiding warranty. Don't have to take out the screw with the void warranty sticker on it & can move the tape out of the way pretty easily. That being said, never done it, because of the compatibility issues with SD Cards & WP7.

Picking your next Windows Phone... What is your priority feature?

Thought this might be interesting if I go by things I read on different threads.
This won't be the case but let's assume you can get any phone on any carrier and price isn't an issue.
How would you pick your next phone?
I allowed for multiple choice but try not to vote for 6 out of 8 or this won't teach us anything specific. And if you picked "Other", what did you have in mind?

Other: gyroscope support and > 1 GHz processor

My most important features: Screen size (less than 4"), Camera (high quality with dual led), and something not there build quality.
I am pretty much all in for the Nokia 800. Second choice is the Samsung Omnia W.

For me there has to be a hardware keyboard - I just hate capacitive touch keyboards.

Price, can't be more than $100 with no contract. And of course, significantly better than my LG Quantum, otherwise I have no reason to upgrade.

I LOVE massive phones, I went from my HD2, to an HD7, and if God would answer my prayers, the Titan would come to T-Mobile, though, soon enough it won't matter as I'm hoping we become AT&T. So, I voted for FFC since it's already a given to me that I'm going for a big phone. Screen type would probably be a close second for me, as I like the HD7 screen, but really wish it were a higher quality, but hey, I'm asking to be spoiled now, right?

It's odd to see one user out of two ready to buy a phone on its brand alone
I personally go for what I find better overall regardless of the OEM.

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Price, can't be more than $100 with no contract. And of course, significantly better than my LG Quantum, otherwise I have no reason to upgrade.
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Yeah I guessed price would come up for many people as well as choice given by the carrier which is why I said in the first post regardless of price and availability

Peew971 said:
It's odd to see one user out of two ready to buy a phone on its brand alone
I personally go for what I find better overall regardless of the OEM.
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I personally love HTC, I know I'm probably in the current minority, for some odd reason as they're the only phones to consistently update without an issue, but Nokia is also winning over my heart.

I really want my Mozart to be my last HTC ever. But it's been my desire to abandon them since like 2005, and I still was forced to buy their stuff because others were mostly even worse.
In your list, it goes like this: screen less than 4", 16GB minimum (64 preferred), usable camera, 1500+ mAH battery. No pentile crap. Looks are also kind of important, but I can live with something less than stellar.
The leaks and announcements really make me sad, I don't see anything really attractive. SeaRay is almost there but it looks like it'll come with PenTile, so it's most probably a no go...

I'm with FiyaFleye, I like HTC and and have seen problems that would affect with other OEMS that I don't have with my Fuze. Nokia I have no idea on that but haven't had one in 4 yrs and it was a dumbphone. However not willing to wait another 3 months+ for them either. I would like a hardware keyboard with a smaller screen would be first choice, or go with a big screen so I can type well. Extra nick nacks are always a plus if they are usable, and 1 gig > processor for some future app usage is good too.
This list would have been so much easier in Aug before they started announcing phones, I'm just waiting for mine to come to the USA.

I'd love to get my hands on a Nokia WP7 phone, but that could take a while and the HTC Titan is kinda expensive over here.
I'll prolly just get a Samsung Omnia W if I get too impatient, really wanna see what the better CPU/GPU can do for my emulator.
Also I'd really like to see some 32GB storage phones, 8GB is just killing me on my Trophy.

1. Storage, it must be at least 32gb
2. Nokia
I will only consider getting a phone that isn't a nokia if the storage space is 32gb or above (and nokia only offer 16gb variants).
If storage space doesn't improve by the end of the year I will probably jump ship to android, even though I prefer Windows Phone my music collection is a must for me.
I'm hoping *fingers crossed* that the Nokia 800 will come in 16gb and 64gb variants like the N9 and thus will be my next phone (in blue )

Manufacturer is gonna come into play for my next WP7. IE i'm not having another Samsung phone.

I went with screen size. 3.5" ish would be good. Also, want good battery life. At least a 1500mah battery.

Funny how so few people picked FF Camera when it's supposed to be an epic fail not to have it since Apple "invented" video chat

I would have bought that Samsung Omnia 7 W like today if it came with 16 GB...
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1. Storage...at least 32 GB
3. Camera quality
3. Screen quality
I don't know any one that actually uses the FFC...nothing but a gimmick.

I´m asking myself if I need a new WP in general...
My OMNIA 7 has all features I use daily (less DLNA and skype support).
So today I took a look at the new HTC devices:
1. HTC Omega is too small.
2. HTC Titan is too big for my taste.
The display is much better than the HD7 display but not even better than the OMNIA 7 display. Also the general quality of the phone is very good: less plastic parts and good working hardware buttons (compared with the HD7).
Do I need a HTC Titan 4.7" notebook in my pocket ? I don´t think so.
The upcoming OMNIA W will only have 8 GB, maybe 16GB... is this what I need ? I don´t think so either.
A general question is: Do I really need a FF cam ? How many videocalls I made in the past ? I only made normal voip calls...
I would say the only hope is that the NOKIA Empire strikes back... and I don´t think that the new devices will have more than 16 GB.
I hope that I´m wrong, but I think it´s better to wait 3 or 4 month before buying a new WP.
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I never thought I'd say this, but camera is my #1. Since everyone seems to be pinching pennies these days and both of my old 5MP point-and-shoots are just crappy, my phone has become my #1 camera for both stills and video. I remember when cameras first came out on cell phones and I was thinking, "why?" All that, and baby is now 12 weeks old, so I'm taking pictures like crazy!
Screen size is a close second. I doubt I could ever go smaller than my 4" Focus screen at this point.

Lumia 900 No Pentile

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/1/11/2699574/lumia-900-amoled-display-no-pentile

Its getting harder for me to avoid trading my Titan for one of these when its released... I love my titan but washed out blacks of SLCD isnt cutting it anymore (after coming from a Vibrant and SGS2 in my case) expecially when most of WP is black

i'm 100% trading in my focus S for one in cyan.
i'll take 4G, gorgeous design, excellent (on paper at least) camera for my focus s' thinner chassis.
especially if it's not a pentile display.

It's great!
But the resultion is still 800x480

For me the sticking point is still storage. I bought an unlocked Focus on release day in 2010, have had 40GB on it since day 1, and every time I see one of these terrific new designs I fall in lust and dust off the wallet right up to the point that the specs show it only has 16GB. (which generally works out to about 13-14GB usable).
32GB Androids are becoming pretty common these days and the iPhone has been available in a 16/32/64GB option for some time. It would be nice if someone out there would show us power users a little storage love.
Until then I'm going to be taking very good care of my Focus (and my Wife's 32GB Trophy) and looking wisfully at all the Lumia 900...

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For me the sticking point is still storage. I bought an unlocked Focus on release day in 2010, have had 40GB on it since day 1, and every time I see one of these terrific new designs I fall in lust and dust off the wallet right up to the point that the specs show it only has 16GB. (which generally works out to about 13-14GB usable).
32GB Androids are becoming pretty common these days and the iPhone has been available in a 16/32/64GB option for some time. It would be nice if someone out there would show us power users a little storage love.
Until then I'm going to be taking very good care of my Focus (and my Wife's 32GB Trophy) and looking wisfully at all the Lumia 900...
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well than make your focus the mp3 player with music etc. and the nokia lumia 900 your phone.

MKohlman said:
For me the sticking point is still storage. I bought an unlocked Focus on release day in 2010, have had 40GB on it since day 1, and every time I see one of these terrific new designs I fall in lust and dust off the wallet right up to the point that the specs show it only has 16GB. (which generally works out to about 13-14GB usable).
32GB Androids are becoming pretty common these days and the iPhone has been available in a 16/32/64GB option for some time. It would be nice if someone out there would show us power users a little storage love.
Until then I'm going to be taking very good care of my Focus (and my Wife's 32GB Trophy) and looking wisfully at all the Lumia 900...
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I have had a Focus since Nov 8th, 2010 and have played about 5,000 songs on it, watched about 100+ movies, and taken and viewed 1,000's of photos. Downloaded 100's of apps, (not all did I keep) all on the 7.56GB usable storage, oh yeah and the skydrive storage too. I thought I would "NEED" more storage but the really with the Zune pass and Skydrive for photos I really didnt need the space I "WANTED".
Moving forward, with the improvements to Skydrive and the strong development of app's utilizing Skydrive and Home PC/Server control 16GB will be more then enough for day to day usage. Sure, come armengeddon a 64GB+ would be prefereed, untill my battery dies

I would have really liked 32GB of storage, but I am ok with 16GB (I've made my 8GB focus work just fine). I have unlimited data, and the zunepass for music so that alleviates a lot of my storage needs. I'm hopeful that the OEM's release something for the masses with 32+GB storage with Apollo though. They do need to have an option for those with more storage needs, and you cannot have everything linked to the cloud as most people have limited data plans and performance will always be better if its stored locally.
I will definitely be getting a Lumia 900 when its released. I hope I can buy one unbranded. Anybody have some news on that?

Shouldn't have to wait for apollo for a 32 fb phone. Can get a 32 gb or more android or iOS device now. Apollo is like 3 quarters away from release. That's way too long.
With ICA bringing native MTP support for Android, it's actually starting to look über as a media platform when you factor in the google and amazon mp3/video stores and superior camera software on those phones (and 1080p recording).
They need to deliver quickly. Hardware and software/capabilities.
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That's good news. Looking at a pentile screen is like looking through a screen door.
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balcsida said:
It's great!
But the resultion is still 800x480
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Yeah. It sucks. I won't buy at this moment .
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