If you are having an issue getting the Lumia 900 unlocked or trying to set it up on an AT&T MVNO. Please post something here. I started to think about it, when I bought the phone I thought.. ah I will just get it ulocked and bring it to T-Mobile. Then I was told about H2O in the process, even then I hit an AT&T wall. I did not unlock the phone, I am using it on AT&T through a friend so to speak H2O. The network settings app is on the marketplace if you are outside the US, it's not inside the US. I got off the phone with Nokia 2nd tier and he hinted toward AT&T blocking it. Then I started to think about what I was purchasing and how really nothing else we purchase is like this. You buy a car it's yours, you buy a computer it's yours.. why are phones different? I called my class action attorney client and had a discussion with him about it. Nothing may come of it, but if it does I need a list of those in the same boat, you bought the device out right no contract and can't use it outside of AT&T and that includes features like MMS not functional and a simple config utility would fix. Please do not post about how it won't work becuase blah, blah, blah. I just need a list of people so if anything comes of it I can say here is a list of others with the same issue.
Jumping on the bandwagon...
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Right there with ya. I however went with Straight Talk which of course I cant use my MMS as well until the unlock comes available. I am curious if I can proxy my wifi to an international proxy so that I can access outside the USA market apps? Anyone have any ideas on this?
You can add me to the list of those that bought the phone at full price. I never called AT&T to ask for an unlock code. Do I need to do that first to prove that I'm at a disadvantage caused by AT&T?
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I just need a list of people so if anything comes of it I can say here is a list of others with the same issue.
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Please count me in, I can send you my data in a private message, just let me know
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You can add me to the list of those that bought the phone at full price. I never called AT&T to ask for an unlock code. Do I need to do that first to prove that I'm at a disadvantage caused by AT&T?
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Let's see what he says.. I contacted H2O today, as soon as they realized it was WP7, nope can't get MMS. I saw the pics of the network setup out of US and it has all those settings we need. If we need to contact AT&T I will try that tomorrow, but I think this is a bigger issue.
count me in too.
In.
I know people have been saying to give up calling ATT. But I just called for the first time tonight, and thought I'd share some of the interesting bits I got. Well interesting to me because they weren't what I was expecting in comparison to everyone else's. Anyways~,
~I asked about dates and a supervisor told me that on 5/7/2012, this past Monday, that their notes for the Lumia 900 were updated by corporate.
~What it essentially says is that they can't say anything. lol
~When I pushed a bit more she told me that it was updated to say that they have no expected date as of now for the release of unlock codes. That they won't release any now because it's an exclusive and otherwise ineligible (Which everyone has already heard.). And that customer service reps are urged to not even submit requests because they all will instantly be denied on the spot.
~Also they told me I was the first one they've heard of trying to unlock this phone.
EDIT: Also, I know this was just adding to the pile of. "Reps Don't Know Squat"
EDIT: Meant to post this on the other thread. Oh well~ Anyways~ I'm in too I guess.
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I know people have been saying to give up calling ATT. But I just called for the first time tonight, and thought I'd share some of the interesting bits I got. Well interesting to me because they weren't what I was expecting in comparison to everyone else's. Anyways~,
~I asked about dates and a supervisor told me that on 5/7/2012, this past Monday, that their notes for the Lumia 900 were updated by corporate.
~What it essentially says is that they can't say anything. lol
~When I pushed a bit more she told me that it was updated to say that they have no expected date as of now for the release of unlock codes. That they won't release any now because it's an exclusive and otherwise ineligible (Which everyone has already heard.). And that customer service reps are urged to not even submit requests because they all will instantly be denied on the spot.
~Also they told me I was the first one they've heard of trying to unlock this phone.
EDIT: Meant to post this on the other thread. Oh well~ Anyways~ I'm in too I guess.
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For this thread, I don't think it matters. The way I look at it, if they are gonna control where I can use a phone I paid full price for (Even if it was on CL) without a contract. Then they should support it to get my MMS working on their MVNO! Could you imagine if other things you buy where like this. You buy that nice new Nissan Fronteir, you can only drive on Nissan roads. Let's say you bought a GTE rotary phone 30 years ago and you could only use GTE as long distance company we would be like FU I am gonna do what I want!
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For this thread, I don't think it matters. The way I look at it, if they are gonna control where I can use a phone I paid full price for (Even if it was on CL) without a contract. Then they should support it to get my MMS working on their MVNO! Could you imagine if other things you buy where like this. You buy that nice new Nissan Fronteir, you can only drive on Nissan roads. Let's say you bought a GTE rotary phone 30 years ago and you could only use GTE as long distance company we would be like FU I am gonna do what I want!
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HHAAAAA~! I SAID THE SAME THING OVER THE PHONE. (Except I used Toyota). They also brought up that I didn't buy the phone directly from them, like that it was a point for them. And I go, "Yeah...that kind of just furthers my point. How does AT&T hold exclusive rights to block me from using something the way I want when I didn't even purchase it from them?) And they just repeated "AT&T has exclusivity and the phone is currently ineligible after that.
Too funny!! I love it.. well great minds think alike or it's just the damn truth. ha ha
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If you are having an issue getting the Lumia 900 unlocked or trying to set it up on an AT&T MVNO. Please post something here. I started to think about it, when I bought the phone I thought.. ah I will just get it ulocked and bring it to T-Mobile. Then I was told about H2O in the process, even then I hit an AT&T wall. I did not unlock the phone, I am using it on AT&T and though the network settings app is on the marketplace if you are outside the US, it's not inside the US. I got off the phone with Nokia 2nd tier and he hinted toward AT&T blocking it. Then I started to think about what I was purchasing and how really nothing else we purchase is like this. You buy a car it's yours, you buy a computer it's yours.. why are phones different? I called my class action attorney client and had a discussion with him about it. Nothing may come of it, but if it does I need a list of those in the same boat, you bought the device out right no contract and can't use it outside of AT&T and that includes features like MMS not functional and a simple config utility would fix. Please do not post about how it won't work becuase blah, blah, blah. I just need a list of people so if anything comes of it I can say here is a list of others with the same issue.
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i'm in.
i've called AT&T 6 times since logging my customer care case and they tell me nokia hasn't released the codes. LOL
OP - you're wasting everyone's time. When you buy a branded phone you know full well that it will be locked to a carrier. Buying the device at full retail does not entitle you to take your device elsewhere. AT&T (and all other carriers) spend months and millions in R&D to develop and test the phone before bringing it to the market, so it is completely logical that they wish to get a return on investment in form of service revenue. In case you're wondering, carriers do not make money off hardware, that's not the business they're in.
There is no rule or law that requires carriers to remove SIM lock. They do it as a courtesy when they see fit, but they are not required to do that by any means. How do you think AT&T was able to deny iPhone unlocks for so many years if it was illegal?
Anyone who bought the phone before checking with AT&T about their unlock policy have no one but themselves to blame, simple as that.
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OP - you're wasting everyone's time. When you buy a branded phone you know full well that it will be locked to a carrier. Buying the device at full retail does not entitle you to take your device elsewhere. AT&T (and all other carriers) spend months and millions in R&D to develop and test the phone before bringing it to the market, so it is completely logical that they wish to get a return on investment in form of service revenue. In case you're wondering, carriers do not make money off hardware, that's not the business they're in.
There is no rule or law that requires carriers to remove SIM lock. They do it as a courtesy when they see fit, but they are not required to do that by any means. How do you think AT&T was able to deny iPhone unlocks for so many years if it was illegal?
Anyone who bought the phone before checking with AT&T about their unlock policy have no one but themselves to blame, simple as that.
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"Please do not post about how it won't work becuase blah, blah, blah" Hmm guess you didn't read that part. This is not just about unlock codes. "
H2O MMS or others Ulock codes" I don't even need an unlock code for H2O. Besides I already made my case to someone who does this stuff for a living, maybe nothing, maybe something... didn't I already say that somewhere?
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"Please do not post about how it won't work becuase blah, blah, blah" Hmm guess you didn't read that part. This is not just about unlock codes. "
H2O MMS or others Ulock codes" I don't even need an unlock code for H2O. Besides I already made my case to someone who does this stuff for a living, maybe nothing, maybe something... didn't I already say that somewhere?
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A laywer willing to sue for money? Color me surprised
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A laywer willing to sue for money? Color me surprised
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I know, I know , we will see what he says.. never know might see something we don't. After all, I am a techy, not a lawyer. May be interesting.. maybe not. He did bring up what it says on the box. T-Mobile has a seal that says by opening this product you accept terms yadda yadda. AT&T does not. No terms and conditions on the box at all that I saw.
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I know, I know , we will see what he says.. never know might see something we don't. After all, I am a techy, not a lawyer. May be interesting.. maybe not. He did bring up what it says on the box. T-Mobile has a seal that says by opening this product you accept terms yadda yadda. AT&T does not. No terms and conditions on the box at all that I saw.
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They don't have to post terms on the box, they are usually on the back of the sales receipt. As long as the phone is fully functional in the environment it was designed for, there is just no basis for complaint. I wouldn't spend a dime on the lawyer if I were you. Just thinking logically here, not trying to start a war
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When they swapped my fascinate for an incredible 2, they didn't include a Global SIM and i will be traveling out of the country for like 5 days this weekend, anyway...
i walked into a Verizon store yesterday and shortly after, a guy offered to help me, i told him that i have the inc2 which is global and needed the global SIM card for it, he replied that my phone wasn't a global phone, that i needed to call a 1-800 for them to send me one, i insisted that my phone was global and after 4 times insisting to him he said "wait" walked to one of the demo inc2 and looked at the specs and features, he said "oh ok so it is a Global phone"
then i asked again, so what about that global SIM card i need, he then called another associate and asked him about the SIM, the other associate replied, "but you need a global phone for that, the country that you're going uses GSM and you need a GSM phone, yours is CDMA" at that point i just gave up talking to both of them and left, aparently they don't know the very phones they sell.
Hahah what tards.
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When they swapped my fascinate for an incredible 2, they didn't include a Global SIM and i will be traveling out of the country for like 5 days this weekend, anyway...
i walked into a Verizon store yesterday and shortly after, a guy offered to help me, i told him that i have the inc2 which is global and needed the global SIM card for it, he replied that my phone wasn't a global phone, that i needed to call a 1-800 for them to send me one, i insisted that my phone was global and after 4 times insisting to him he said "wait" walked to one of the demo inc2 and looked at the specs and features, he said "oh ok so it is a Global phone"
then i asked again, so what about that global SIM card i need, he then called another associate and asked him about the SIM, the other associate replied, "but you need a global phone for that, the country that you're going uses GSM and you need a GSM phone, yours is CDMA" at that point i just gave up talking to both of them and left, aparently they don't know the very phones they sell.
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haha wow nice story. I personally think Verzion people are only hired to sell phones not know them or at least that's how I try to justify their ignorance. If you really want to get anything done you kinda have to call Verizon I'm sure they can set something up. Alternatively you can visit another store just make sure you report it to Verizon they give you free stuff and you might end up with a new phone.
The sales people at the stores are a giant mixed bag. The guy I bought my I2 from wasn't highly knowledgeable about the technology, but he knew the devices well enough to sell them, and was actually somewhat eager to hear some of my insights.
I've had worse luck with talking to people at the call centers.
You can just call Verizon and get an unlock code and use the sim of your choice from that country
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You can just call Verizon and get an unlock code and use the sim of your choice from that country
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yeah that's what i ended up doing.
Ha! I usually end up more knowledgable about the devices than the sales reps at my local store too (and that's not sayin much!) but this time around, when I bought my I2, I actually had a guy who recognized MIUI on my INC 1 that my daughter was inheriting from me. He gave me a nod and advised that if I ever have trouble, make sure I unroot before bringing the phone in....I said "yeah, gotcha "
new to verizon and the local corp. store has been really good. I did go to an "authorized retailer" once and they were retarded. My wife wanted to try the iphone4 since she had never had one and they told me that iphones didn't sell so they didn't stock them. They also told me that android was the only mobile OS that was good.
I laughed at them.
Apparently, they don't get much profit off the iphones, otherwise they would have had them.
Your story reminds me of this:
http://youtu.be/nYk0dQrz3uc
XD
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new to verizon and the local corp. store has been really good. I did go to an "authorized retailer" once and they were retarded. My wife wanted to try the iphone4 since she had never had one and they told me that iphones didn't sell so they didn't stock them. They also told me that android was the only mobile OS that was good.
I laughed at them.
Apparently, they don't get much profit off the iphones, otherwise they would have had them.
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As much as I am an Android fanboy, I'll still admit that iOS is a good mobile platform. The only two I'll really bash is Windows mobile and Blackberry OS. I haven't really messed with WebOS to really form an opinion about it.
As an employee of an Indirect sales location, I LOVE when people who frequent this site come in and try to "one-up" on phone knowledge. They may know certain phones better than me but as an avid android fanboy I play with all of them and check up into every phones forum just to see how its doing (root,ROMs,themes,reviews) The best way to find out if an associate knows what they are talking about ask them what real world Mbps they can get on 3g/4g and see the response.
It's usually a blank stare...
The ones here were thoroughly convinced that the Tbolt sim was compatible with global and vise versa with the Inc2. I walked out of the store while he was in mid sentence.
Another rep at a Verizon kiosk in the mall told me any Verizon phone will automatically convert to 4G OTA as soon as it comes out for us.
Store reps are idiots. Usually helpful and nice but they're dumb.
If I hear one more of those guys tell me I should download a task killer I'm going to burn the store down
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Hey, not all of us store reps are uneducated about the products we sell... but most are . I'l admit, I do enjoy when someone who knows at least a little bit about Android and just Verizon stuff in general comes in, but y'all'd really be surprised at how uneducated some of the people that come in are.
"What's an iPhone?"
In the middle of a city. True story.
Rule of thumb: if a rep knows what XDA is, he's not totally clueless. My regional manager likes to say there are three kinds of reps: sharks, techies and customer service. The sharks are the people that rock at sales, but don't know or care much about what they sell. The customer service makes sure all the customers stay happy and have their problems resolved. The techies make sure the other two stay out of trouble. There's a reason why 50+ reps in my area have me on their speed-dial, sadly.
Personally, I only buy phones from vz's site. Most of the Verizon stores are franchise's and are dumb people just selling phones.
I'm sure their are a few of you that now what your talking about, but its few.
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Store reps are idiots. Usually helpful and nice but they're dumb.
If I hear one more of those guys tell me I should download a task killer I'm going to burn the store down
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I have a co worker and that's all she keeps doing. I keep telling her to root her phone and install a rom. However, she has had bad experiences with windows phones and is afraid. I keep telling her Android is different. The developers actually are very knowledgeable and create really great stuff. Hopefully, one day I can convince her. She has a t-moble LG G2x.
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Apparently, they don't get much profit off the iphones, otherwise they would have had them.
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I work for Best Buy, we make about $15 off of each iPhone we sell... its pretty crappy. But what we don't make on the phone we make on the teenage girls who have to have a different case for each outfit they wear.
Someone mentioned call center troubles...I had a Droid 2 and I was just complaining to try and get them to authorize an early upgrade. I said it was slow...the lady on the phone told me that she's sure I can swap out the processor for a faster one from eBay. I gave up with phone support after that. LOL.
And here is where you say "cool story bro"...
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When they swapped my fascinate for an incredible 2, they didn't include a Global SIM and i will be traveling out of the country for like 5 days this weekend, anyway...
i walked into a Verizon store yesterday and shortly after, a guy offered to help me, i told him that i have the inc2 which is global and needed the global SIM card for it, he replied that my phone wasn't a global phone, that i needed to call a 1-800 for them to send me one, i insisted that my phone was global and after 4 times insisting to him he said "wait" walked to one of the demo inc2 and looked at the specs and features, he said "oh ok so it is a Global phone"
then i asked again, so what about that global SIM card i need, he then called another associate and asked him about the SIM, the other associate replied, "but you need a global phone for that, the country that you're going uses GSM and you need a GSM phone, yours is CDMA" at that point i just gave up talking to both of them and left, aparently they don't know the very phones they sell.
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Apparently most of these Verizon techs are clueless about the Inc2.. When I had convinced the tech over the phone to let me trade phones rather than do yet another warrenty claim on my Samsung Fascinate, he told me my options, and stated explicitly that the Droid Pro was the global phone. Then of course I looked up reviews and found out the Inc2 was a global phone as well.
So a nice feature I was getting that I had no idea about, because the tech apparently didn't know either.
im sure some of the customers are pretty uneducated, but i have yet to meet a store rep who actually knows their products or makes an earnest effort to help when i have a legitimate problem. i only go into the stores if i absolutely have to, it's always been a pretty awful experience lately. i've been with them for about 10 years, and i like my incredible II well enough, but I really regret going with them this time around. I think I have about one more bad experience in me before i call it a day, pay the etf and sign up with sprint.
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Guys,
I was researching about unlocking my Lumia 900 since april, just like 100s of you. I was looking over nokia forums and one of the guys recommends filing complains with fcc. He even gave a link - http://www.fcc.gov/complaints
Those who purchased the phone for a full price, please fill up the form and submit. If there will be a lot of us, fcc might be able help with that.
He says that you should receive a call from AT&T very soon if FCC will decide to help you with that.
I looked in to this briefly, and I don't think unlock requests are covered. It might be viable after 53 days when at&t says they'll give codes.
We've been around this block over and over again. AT&T is not obligated to unlock your phone even if you bought it at full price, and FCC will tell you the same.
Is there any other method to unlock lumia 900 beside the unlocking code? At least if some one trying to unlock this phone would be fantastic.
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pk-air said:
Is there any other method to unlock lumia 900 beside the unlocking code? At least if some one trying to unlock this phone would be fantastic.
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No there isn't, and anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying or trying to scam out of your money. Just wait a while longer, AT&T will start unlocking them beginning Oct 8th when exclusivity period expires.
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No there isn't, and anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying or trying to scam out of your money. Just wait a while longer, AT&T will start unlocking them beginning Oct 8th when exclusivity period expires.
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I am not really sure if they will start on october 8. They already lied to me in the store that there would be no problem to unlock it.
And yeah - they are doing illegal thing by refusing to unlock the phone. They don't have any legal reason to keep it locked.
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I am not really sure if they will start on october 8. They already lied to me in the store that there would be no problem to unlock it.
And yeah - they are doing illegal thing by refusing to unlock the phone. They don't have any legal reason to keep it locked.
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If I had a dollar every time we went over this It is NOT illegal for them to refuse to unlock the phone. There is no law in US that states mobile operators are obligated to unlock phones to work on other operators. It absolutely doesn't matter whether you bought phone on contract or paid full price.
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We've been around this block over and over again. AT&T is not obligated to unlock your phone even if you bought it at full price, and FCC will tell you the same.
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This is 100% false. If you buy it for full price and they tell you it can work on another network they either owe you a 100% refund or an unlock code. Fraud is fraud.
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If I had a dollar every time we went over this It is NOT illegal for them to refuse to unlock the phone. There is no law in US that states mobile operators are obligated to unlock phones to work on other operators. It absolutely doesn't matter whether you bought phone on contract or paid full price.
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Fraud is illegal. If you pay full price and they tell you it is unlocked or can be unlocked over the phone they must refund or give the unlock code. Not sure why people think the law doesn't apply to the telecom business. The problem is the methods for forcing at&t to do the right thing were spelled out... not sure if anyone actually followed the instructions.
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This is 100% false. If you buy it for full price and they tell you it can work on another network they either owe you a 100% refund or an unlock code. Fraud is fraud.
Fraud is illegal. If you pay full price and they tell you it is unlocked or can be unlocked over the phone they must refund or give the unlock code. Not sure why people think the law doesn't apply to the telecom business. The problem is the methods for forcing at&t to do the right thing were spelled out... not sure if anyone actually followed the instructions.
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Please provide a link to AT&T terms of service where it explicitly tells you that AT&T is obligated to unlock your phone when you pay full price. Please provide a link to Attorney General, Consumer Protection Agency, BBB, Federal Trade Commission, or any other regulating body that specifies mobile carriers MUST unlock phones.
I'll spare you trouble, you can't find such information because it doesn't exist. Stop making a fool out of yourself and trying to fool others. Do your homework before telling someone they're "100% false", otherwise you're just making yourself look ridiculous.
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Please provide a link to AT&T terms of service where it explicitly tells you...
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The at&t terms or service are irrelevant. You realize there are numerous people that bought the phone for full price and never signed up for "service" with at&t. You realize that, right? Right? If you walk in and pay full price after the salesperson says the phone will work on your network they have to either make it work on your network or give a refund. This isn't rocket science.
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The at&t terms or service are irrelevant. You realize there are numerous people that bought the phone for full price and never signed up for "service" with at&t. You realize that, right? Right? If you walk in and pay full price after the salesperson says the phone will work on your network they have to either make it work on your network or give a refund. This isn't rocket science.
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I am not sure if you're really inept or just trolling. It absolutely doesn't matter if you sign up for AT&T service just like it doesn't matter if you pay full price. When you buy AT&T phone you buy AT&T phone, meaning that it is only guaranteed to work on AT&T. Not unlocked, not T-Mobile, not Sprint - AT&T. Get it? Stop trying to make a point, you don't have one.
Dear friends, I only have one thing to ask in relation to this whole discussion. For people who signed a two-year contract with AT & T and that will necessarily fulfill the contract, what difference it makes to AT & T if the phone will be unlocked or not? The commitment already exists, the contract must be fulfilled unconditionally, then why keep the devices blocked? Sadism??
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The at&t terms or service are irrelevant. You realize there are numerous people that bought the phone for full price and never signed up for "service" with at&t. You realize that, right? Right? If you walk in and pay full price after the salesperson says the phone will work on your network they have to either make it work on your network or give a refund. This isn't rocket science.
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Sounds to me like your ***** should be with the salesperson. Sales Rule #1: Tell them whatever they want to hear. And I think the phone does "work". Just not completely.
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This is 100% false. If you buy it for full price and they tell you it can work on another network they either owe you a 100% refund or an unlock code. Fraud is fraud.
Fraud is illegal. If you pay full price and they tell you it is unlocked or can be unlocked over the phone they must refund or give the unlock code. Not sure why people think the law doesn't apply to the telecom business. The problem is the methods for forcing at&t to do the right thing were spelled out... not sure if anyone actually followed the instructions.
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You're implying the Telco's run an illegal business and its up to us to enforce it? Pretty sure that's not what you mean, but it sure sounds like it. in the past 5 years this has received tons of scrutiny by the FCC. Any yet, the phones stay locked. That should tell you something.
I think Anymal says it with his comment about locked and unlocked. Actually, AT&T doesn't sell Unlocked phones. They sell Contract and NO Contract phones. But no matter, At&T is still AT&T
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You're implying the Telco's run an illegal business and its up to us to enforce it? Pretty sure that's not what you mean, but it sure sounds like it. in the past 5 years this has received tons of scrutiny by the FCC. Any yet, the phones stay locked. That should tell you something.
I think Anymal says it with his comment about locked and unlocked. Actually, AT&T doesn't sell Unlocked phones. They sell Contract and NO Contract phones. But no matter, At&T is still AT&T
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This is a classic case of what happens when assumptions replace common sense. People tend to assume that buying phones off contract entitles them to remove carrier restrictions, at carrier's expense. Of course, this is a completely false assumption. Carriers are not going to stop anyone from leaving, they just won't help them to do so. You were sold AT&T phone and that is exactly what you received; no more, no less. Salesman lied? Never heard of that appening before silly but if that's the case take it up with their management.
I am still puzzeld as to what breeds these assumptions, but misinformation is so persistent that many less-educated consumers (and apparently some members) are treating it as gospel.
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Dear friends, I only have one thing to ask in relation to this whole discussion. For people who signed a two-year contract with AT & T and that will necessarily fulfill the contract, what difference it makes to AT & T if the phone will be unlocked or not? The commitment already exists, the contract must be fulfilled unconditionally, then why keep the devices blocked? Sadism??
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Well a lot of us didn't put a deposit down when we got the phone. Mine was "free." I paid a $30 "activation fee." They can't just let you walk out the door with a $500 device for $30 and not have some controls in place. Yes they have a contract but if you break the contract what are they going to do? The only thing they can do is report you to a credit bureau and turn your account over to a collections agency. Even then in a lot of cases it's doubtful they will collect much.
If you pay full price? Well then yeah I have no idea about that. First of all very few people would do that in the United States and I can't imagine how it hurts at&t. That's what is so confusing about the deceptive sales practices and the obstinance.
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Sounds to me like your ***** should be with the salesperson. Sales Rule #1: Tell them whatever they want to hear. And I think the phone does "work". Just not completely.
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I don't have any "*****" as you put it. I have no need to unlock my phone at this time. I was just debunking misinformation on the internet as a public service. "Tell them whatever they want to hear" will get you in legal trouble. I've had this routine pulled on me and the companies that did it ended up paying me THOUSANDS. The problem is there is so much misinformation out there people simply do not know how to pursue these matters.
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You're implying the Telco's run an illegal business...
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You're implying Telcos never get sanctioned for doing illegal things?!
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This is a classic case of what happens when assumptions...
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Actually several people physically went into at&t stores and were told that they could buy the Lumia 900 for the full price and get the phone unlocked and use it once they got back to Canada. Someone in another thread actually posted images of their unlocked at&t Lumia working with their Canadian sim once at&t provided the unlock code to them. No assumptions.
Folks it doesn't matter whether you are discussing phones or widgets. If someone tells you a device will work in a particular manner at at your home location and it doesn't they have to either refund you or make it work. I'm not sure why people are confused about this. Bizarre.
But don't locked AT&T Lumias work on other networks? Just without LTE (and sometimes 3G) and MMS in most cases. So if I tell you, "sure, this phone will work on other networks", am I really lying. Or just not telling the truth.
AT&T pays cash for an "exclusive period" on a phone. They have every right to prevent you from doing whatever you choose with it till they say it's ok. I'm cool with that.
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I purchased a Lumia 900 from AT&T and threw a att.mvno sim in it, downloaded the Nokia Network Setup app from marketplace, configured it and everything works just great... very happy
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But don't locked AT&T Lumias work on other networks? Just without LTE (and sometimes 3G) and MMS in most cases.
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No man. Not sure where you got that idea. There have been numerous posts about this topic. Educate yourself.
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AT&T pays cash for an "exclusive period" on a phone. They have every right to prevent you from doing whatever you choose with it till they say it's ok. I'm cool with that.
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It doesn't give them the right to lie. If the salesperson says you may pay full price for this phone and we will unlock it so you can use it in Canada in October that is perfectly fine. A bit illogical but totally legal.
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So if I tell you, "sure, this phone will work on other networks", am I really lying. Or just not telling the truth.
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BOTH. Get a dictionary.
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I purchased a Lumia 900 from AT&T and threw a att.mvno sim in it, downloaded the Nokia Network Setup app from marketplace, configured it and everything works just great... very happy
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What in God's holy name does that have to do with this thread.
Has anyone tried getting unlock keys by contacting htcdev, i know its a long shot but someone over there might not care and give us what we want.
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Has anyone tried getting unlock keys by contacting htcdev, i know its a long shot but someone over there might not care and give us what we want.
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Hahahahahahhahahahahahah......................hahahahahahahahahaha..........
OR....HTC will continue to take it dry and sideways from VZW because they basically have to..... Verizon has absolutely no interest in having unlocked devices on their network. They made it clear they would rather lose the subscribers over it. And HTC won't give in to you because VZW would basically block their devices on their network / not carry HTC in the future.....
Either way, lose lose...
Ultimately, irritating HTC won't do a damn thing for any of us.
You have to be willing to put your money where your mouth is. If you can't tolerate a phone that isn't unlockable, go back to the Verizon store and return it. If you can't tolerate a carrier that thinks that "customer service" is best expressed through the middle finger, then you have to be willing to switch carriers.
I'm not willing to switch carriers yet, but the time may soon come. In the mean time, I believe that I was sold something materially different from what was promised, so when I head back over there Tuesday afternoon, I intend to make sure that there is no restocking fee applied -- and if they push the issue, I'll just issue a chargeback and let my credit card issuer deal with it. (I'll report back with my results afterwards.)
It's sad that I'll end up with an SGS4 dev edition instead, because that phone feels like a cheap plastic toy compared to the One. But at the end of the day, it's like I said -- you have to put your money where your mouth is.
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I'm not willing to switch carriers yet, but the time may soon come. In the mean time, I believe that I was sold something materially different from what was promised, so when I head back over there Tuesday afternoon, I intend to make sure that there is no restocking fee applied -- and if they push the issue, I'll just issue a chargeback and let my credit card issuer deal with it. (I'll report back with my results afterwards.)
It's sad that I'll end up with an SGS4 dev edition instead, because that phone feels like a cheap plastic toy compared to the One. But at the end of the day, it's like I said -- you have to put your money where your mouth is.
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You were promised an unlocked phone? Please, show me where...
So you're going to buy a phone for Verizon anyway? That'll show them!
And good luck with the fraudulent chargeback! Let us know how it works out for you.
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You were promised an unlocked phone? Please, show me where...
So you're going to buy a phone for Verizon anyway? That'll show them!
And good luck with the fraudulent chargeback! Let us know how it works out for you.
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I'm not sure where I said "I was promised an unlocked phone", specifically.
I was offered an HTC One. The same HTC One as every other carrier -- the same HTC One that was unlockable when I purchased it. There are two things wrong here: that the device isn't the same as every other carrier (and nowhere was it written "come get the HTC One, minus the differentiating flagship feature"); and that the unlocking feature was disabled after I had purchased the device. (Both of these are classified as a "bait & switch".)
You're right that fraud is involved here, but it's not on my part. I'll keep you posted with the results; I'm curious to see whether my issuer will side with me. (I anticipate that they will; this is a pretty clear-cut case of an unethical business practice. Outside of the wireless industry, such a thing is unheardof.)
You are also right that it is sad that I'm stuck on one carrier. I don't believe that other carriers are much better right now, but that is a discussion for another thread. At the same time, there is a direct cost to Verizon when I return this device. Each person who returns their phone without a restocking fee is a small voice, but still speaks. The message is unlikely to be received in time for a turn-around on this phone, but your voices are heard.
I hope you'll consider returning your phone, too. At the least, there is nothing to take pride of in a sig: the only thing that it shows is that you're willing to accept being stepped on.
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Honestly, you'd be surprised what you can get when bringing in an outside party. I wrote a letter to my AG during the Sprint / Evo / Fee ordeal, involved the BBB, and MULTIPLE (read over 10) calls to the Sprint retention line. Didn't win, but didn't have to pay my ETF either so it's a mixed bag. I have faith in the dev community to fix this issue, but until then I'll deal with the locked One.
We need to bring it to Verizon, not HTC, but I agree.
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We need to bring it to Verizon, not HTC, but I agree.
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Its funny, usually the response to this is that we are such a small percentage of users Verizon doesn't care. But yet that care so much about this small percentage to block the unlock. Verizon likes to have it both ways. And they go out of their way to stop the unlock, so its something they are actively monitoring and addressing.
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I'm not sure where I said "I was promised an unlocked phone", specifically.
I was offered an HTC One. The same HTC One as every other carrier -- the same HTC One that was unlockable when I purchased it. There are two things wrong here: that the device isn't the same as every other carrier (and nowhere was it written "come get the HTC One, minus the differentiating flagship feature"); and that the unlocking feature was disabled after I had purchased the device. (Both of these are classified as a "bait & switch".)
You're right that fraud is involved here, but it's not on my part. I'll keep you posted with the results; I'm curious to see whether my issuer will side with me. (I anticipate that they will; this is a pretty clear-cut case of an unethical business practice. Outside of the wireless industry, such a thing is unheardof.)
You are also right that it is sad that I'm stuck on one carrier. I don't believe that other carriers are much better right now, but that is a discussion for another thread. At the same time, there is a direct cost to Verizon when I return this device. Each person who returns their phone without a restocking fee is a small voice, but still speaks. The message is unlikely to be received in time for a turn-around on this phone, but your voices are heard.
I hope you'll consider returning your phone, too. At the least, there is nothing to take pride of in a sig: the only thing that it shows is that you're willing to accept being stepped on.
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You assumed, you were not promised anything, as you stated. Assuming and being promised are 2 different things. Just because it's unlockable elsewhere doesn't automatically make VZWs version unlockable.
I won't be returning my phone. We have people working on this phone and I have confidence in them that they'll get it done.
Even without unlock, this is the best damn phone I have ever owned.
Sent from my HTC One.
There are still phones on Verizon that have native unlocking. Developer edition phones work on Verizon, and on HTC dev the Thunderbolt and I believe some other Verizon phones are natively unlockable with that tool. They're willing to do it with some phones, just not the majority.
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There are still phones on Verizon that have native unlocking. Developer edition phones work on Verizon, and on HTC dev the Thunderbolt and I believe some other Verizon phones are natively unlockable with that tool. They're willing to do it with some phones, just not the majority.
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Such a strange policy though. IIRC, the RAZR HD developer edition didn't just come with an unlocked bootloader, you had to use a Moto tool to do it (like HTCdev). So why is Verizon ok with that but not with a phone they sell in their store?
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I'm not sure where I said "I was promised an unlocked phone", specifically.
I was offered an HTC One. The same HTC One as every other carrier -- the same HTC One that was unlockable when I purchased it. There are two things wrong here: that the device isn't the same as every other carrier (and nowhere was it written "come get the HTC One, minus the differentiating flagship feature"); and that the unlocking feature was disabled after I had purchased the device. (Both of these are classified as a "bait & switch".)
You're right that fraud is involved here, but it's not on my part. I'll keep you posted with the results; I'm curious to see whether my issuer will side with me. (I anticipate that they will; this is a pretty clear-cut case of an unethical business practice. Outside of the wireless industry, such a thing is unheardof.)
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I'm interested to see how this works out for you. I had a full day of meetings on Thursday, then headed straight to the airport with literally no time to go to the VZW store, so I ordered online thinking surely they wouldn't be quick enough to lock it down before it arrives at my house (later today). Massive regret, stupid wishful thinking. I've been searching for places where VZW noted in writing the phone would be the same as on every other carrier, and for legal precedent of features disabled after purchase being included in bait-and-switch. Seems like, logically, that should be the case, but I haven't (in the past hour since I started looking into it...) found anything exactly like this. A car dealer can't exactly change your car's features after you leave the lot, so this is probably sort of a new issue. I'm not an attorney, but I have some experience with legal writing. I can post back if I find anything relevant, or I'd be interested in any info you plan to take with you to support your request, as I would consider doing the same.
(Phew...first post! Sort of nerve-wracking.)
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I'm interested to see how this works out for you. I had a full day of meetings on Thursday, then headed straight to the airport with literally no time to go to the VZW store, so I ordered online thinking surely they wouldn't be quick enough to lock it down before it arrives at my house (later today). Massive regret, stupid wishful thinking. I've been searching for places where VZW noted in writing the phone would be the same as on every other carrier, and for legal precedent of features disabled after purchase being included in bait-and-switch. Seems like, logically, that should be the case, but I haven't (in the past hour since I started looking into it...) found anything exactly like this. A car dealer can't exactly change your car's features after you leave the lot, so this is probably sort of a new issue. I'm not an attorney, but I have some experience with legal writing. I can post back if I find anything relevant, or I'd be interested in any info you plan to take with you to support your request, as I would consider doing the same.
(Phew...first post! Sort of nerve-wracking.)
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Well technically it can't be the same as the other carriers because of the LTE bands. Also the software is different due to the pre-loaded Verizon apps. Also I think AT&T has a locked bootloader. I don't think any carrier that you could unlock the bootloader on (T-Mobile and who else?) listed that as a feature.
No harm in trying, I've already started an email thread with support from htcdev. I'll just simply argue that other have gotten unlocked bootloaders so why can't the rest of us. And its also not like its impossible to do or htcdev can't support it, because we have physical proof that it works.
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I'm interested to see how this works out for you. I had a full day of meetings on Thursday, then headed straight to the airport with literally no time to go to the VZW store, so I ordered online thinking surely they wouldn't be quick enough to lock it down before it arrives at my house (later today). Massive regret, stupid wishful thinking. I've been searching for places where VZW noted in writing the phone would be the same as on every other carrier, and for legal precedent of features disabled after purchase being included in bait-and-switch. Seems like, logically, that should be the case, but I haven't (in the past hour since I started looking into it...) found anything exactly like this. A car dealer can't exactly change your car's features after you leave the lot, so this is probably sort of a new issue. I'm not an attorney, but I have some experience with legal writing. I can post back if I find anything relevant, or I'd be interested in any info you plan to take with you to support your request, as I would consider doing the same.
(Phew...first post! Sort of nerve-wracking.)
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It isn't 'bait and switch'. You weren't baited with a unlockable bootloader.
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I'm not sure where I said "I was promised an unlocked phone", specifically.
I was offered an HTC One. The same HTC One as every other carrier -- the same HTC One that was unlockable when I purchased it. There are two things wrong here: that the device isn't the same as every other carrier (and nowhere was it written "come get the HTC One, minus the differentiating flagship feature"); and that the unlocking feature was disabled after I had purchased the device. (Both of these are classified as a "bait & switch".)
You're right that fraud is involved here, but it's not on my part. I'll keep you posted with the results; I'm curious to see whether my issuer will side with me. (I anticipate that they will; this is a pretty clear-cut case of an unethical business practice. Outside of the wireless industry, such a thing is unheardof.)
You are also right that it is sad that I'm stuck on one carrier. I don't believe that other carriers are much better right now, but that is a discussion for another thread. At the same time, there is a direct cost to Verizon when I return this device. Each person who returns their phone without a restocking fee is a small voice, but still speaks. The message is unlikely to be received in time for a turn-around on this phone, but your voices are heard.
I hope you'll consider returning your phone, too. At the least, there is nothing to take pride of in a sig: the only thing that it shows is that you're willing to accept being stepped on.
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You were not offered the same HTC One as every other carrier. Sprint's HTC One is different from AT&T's HTC One, which is different from the International Version which is different than the Verizon version. I'm sorry, but your logic is so flawed. You should return it because it has 4.2.2 and AT&T has 4.1.2, according to your logic!
I'm wondering if I'm being trolled.
I probably am. I'll stop feeding now...
Not that its binding, but for what its worth htcdev.com does say: "Devices launched after 9/2011 will be shipped with the unlock capability"
By that logic, the fact that the unlock codes no longer work for the Verizon HTC One is an issue with the HTCdev site. If I am not mistaken, the idea that Verizon was behind the change is technically an assumption (albeit a logical one) on our part.
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Not that its binding, but for what its worth htcdev.com does say: "Devices launched after 9/2011 will be shipped with the unlock capability"
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The One is capable of being unlocked via HTC dev, Verizon is just restricting that capability.
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It isn't 'bait and switch'. You weren't baited with a unlockable bootloader.
You were not offered the same HTC One as every other carrier. Sprint's HTC One is different from AT&T's HTC One, which is different from the International Version which is different than the Verizon version. I'm sorry, but your logic is so flawed. You should return it because it has 4.2.2 and AT&T has 4.1.2, according to your logic!
I'm wondering if I'm being trolled.
I probably am. I'll stop feeding now...
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Yea, but the fact that it was more functional when you bought it might have some legs. It's like buying a car, and then having the dealership install a padlock on the engine bay a few days later without your consent so only they can service it.
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Not that its binding, but for what its worth htcdev.com does say: "Devices launched after 9/2011 will be shipped with the unlock capability"
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Yea, but the fact that it was more functional when you bought it might have some legs. It's like buying a car, and then having the dealership install a padlock on the engine bay a few days later without your consent so only they can service it.
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You didn't buy the phone from HTC. We bought it from Verizon (or its authorized retailers). That unlock capability applies to international versions.
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Has anyone tried getting unlock keys by contacting htcdev, i know its a long shot but someone over there might not care and give us what we want.
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You are the definition of optimism.
I bought an almost new S3 LTE SGH-T999L for my son off CL. It checked OK on swappa and it worked for a week, then unable to connect to network. Swappa now says blacklisted. DOH!
It sucks to have a $350 paper weight! I tried to contact the seller with no luck.
Couple questions...
Any way to fix it?
Can this model be downgraded to 4.1.1 to use free unlock method and even then will it possibly work on anther carrier is the US. I know it will work outside the US if unlocked.
I contacted T-Mobile and they said nothing I can do, only the original owner can have the blacklist lifted.
Any help or advice much appreciated!
Also let this be a lesson to all...just because it works when you buy it, don't mean it wont go belly-up in a week. :crying:
Sorry I didn't answer your PM before. Wasn't ignoring you. Unfortunately your options are extremely limited.
You will have to pay for an unlock code online (see the last couple pages of the unlock thread), and then sell overseas. Just please be honest about it to whoever you sell it to in case they plan on bringing it to the states.
Personally, I'd also file a police report. May not come to anything, but if the guy gets arrested for anything else, or enough people file a report against him for similar stuff, you may then have some recourse against him. But he has twice committed fraud, or theft by deception (or something like that). First against T-Mobile, then against you.
Once unlocked, it might work on other carriers here, but not for long. I'm told all US carriers will be sharing the same blacklist by year's end. I've also heard it may also be shared with Canadian carriers as well.
Sorry to hear that happened to you. You're definitely not alone! This happens all the time, unfortunately.
Never buy used unless you make the transaction in person at a T-Mobile store where the seller can prove they have paid for the device in full and are allowed to sell it. Also, have a note made on both accounts (preferably by a manager) that the sale is made so they can't report it stolen a few weeks later.
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I hear you, but it never goes down like that. I've bought and sold 30 or 40 smartphones. First time I've ever got burnt. I make small profit along, but this one is a stinger. I've had people want to meet me at Verizon, ATT and T-Mobile and every time I met them there all the store employees would say is if the sim card works it's ok.
Of course you could ask for a receipt...but what if it's a reseller like myself? I've had one receipt the whole time. Most of the time you can spot a fraud and steer clear. I check esn on swappa and/or Verizon site. I guess it's just a risky thing and I've been very lucky so far.
I did get a guy on ebay to unlock the phone for $10 last night. It works with a Lycamobile sim(T-Mobile reseller) and also works with a new LTE ATT Straight Talk sim...recieves LTE even. Maybe not for long...but it works fine now and it's been blacklisted about a month.
Guy on ebay unlocks clean phones for $5 & blacklisted for $10, he does remote into your pc to do it, but it only takes 2-3 minutes. He gave me the code, but it was never needed.
I'm a PagePlus dealer and I do alot of carrier flashing, not to beat blacklist, but to get more use from older 3G devices. Anytime I sell a phone I always give a 2 days return policy if they change their mind.
The seller of the phone should be able to get some sort of confirmation off of his own account showing he is not currently making payments on it. If the employees are only saying to see if the SIM works, they are just being lazy or ignorant! With the owners permission they can look it up, or call support from the phone and have him ask them to verify on speaker so you can hear. I'm just trying to say there's other ways to get the info before buying.
I'd say that if you've bought that many you are pretty lucky. But for the blacklisted one that worked on other carriers...expect it not to on AT&T very soon and all other US carriers around the end of the year. Right now T-Mobile and AT&T share their lists, but don't use the same one, so it'll often take a few weeks to catch up. As I understand it, once the national list is in place, all carriers will be using the same one so it'll be more instant.
I have spoken to a few people who bought their phone used and all seemed good, but then nearly 2 months later it got blacklisted! Some people are apparently selling it, but then waiting a month or two to report it stolen!
I just hope that if one of your customers gets blacklisted a few weeks after buying from you, you will be willing to at least exchange it.
But before you try and sell this one, please consider that it's practically a given that it's not gonna work for very long.
Also, (and I'm not sure of the ramifications here) keep in mind that you are knowingly in possession of stolen property. That by itself is probably not a big deal for you, legally speaking, since it happens to so many people and hardly no one knows what they are buying when this happens to them. But if you sell it, you will be knowingly selling stolen goods. If one of your customers gets blacklisted, you could be the one held liable.
Don't take it wrong, I'm just trying to help!
And I'm just curious, what do you mean by "carrier flashing"?
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I understand where you're coming from and I will not sell this phone except to one particular customer who takes them outside the country. My son is using it now on LycaMobile which is a UK based reseller using T-Molile towers. We will see how long it lasts...strange circumstance there since the provider is not from the US, will they also adhere to universal blacklist? I dunno...time will tell. At $30 per month they are cheapest unlimited I know of(Only 50MB 4G data, then 2G/3G).
I run a legitimate part time business and have rarely had phones returned, but always made the customer happy. Happy customers come back and most of my profit is selling refills and flashing/rooting/unlocking...not the actual phone sales.
Carrier flashing: Mainly I've flashed older Metro phones to work on PagePlus and GS3's from Sprint or Verizon must be flashed for pageplus because they don't yet allow 4G phones. I never do any ESN changes. I'm an old techie and I go way back to Nextel mods in mid 90's. lol
BTW I installed CM 10.1.2 RC2 right from the phone yesterday after originally flashing the CM10 linked in Doc's T999L thread. It flashed perfect right through CM update utility automatically and seems to run perfectly.
Two weeks ago I found a TMO G960U laying on the sidewalk. I brought it home, charged it and waited for someone to call it so I could give it back. Well no one ever called so i guess its ok to try to use it. Its not blacklisted, it is however blocked on TMO. But id be using it on att.
Its sim locked and it also has FRP on. Its running tmo december security patch
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Two weeks ago I found a TMO G960U laying on the sidewalk. I brought it home, charged it and waited for someone to call it so I could give it back. Well no one ever called so i guess its ok to try to use it. Its not blacklisted, it is however blocked on TMO. But id be using it on att.
Its sim locked and it also has FRP on. Its running tmo december security patch
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so u literally "found" a phone and made minimal attempt to return it to its rightful owner (you could try contacting the carrier) that you claim isnt blacklisted but yet it doesnt work on its originsl carrier (sounds blacklisted to me) as well as it has frp on which is there for exactly this reason and you want someone to help disable the security and unlock it so you can use it urself?
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Yep I found it. And there is a difference between blocked and blacklisted.
I've been a member here for 8 years. I'd use a throw away account if I was doing anything shady.
Move along troll
Wow...did I just read this correctly? You actually called Elliwigy a troll? You must be new to XDA....do the right thing and take the phone back to Tmobile.
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Wow...did I just read this correctly? You actually called Elliwigy a troll? You must be new to XDA....do the right thing and take the phone back to Tmobile.
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haha and it gets better, hes now saying when he does shady stuff he just makes a fake account to do it lol
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so u literally "found" a phone and made minimal attempt to return it to its rightful owner (you could try contacting the carrier) that you claim isnt blacklisted but yet it doesnt work on its originsl carrier (sounds blacklisted to me) as well as it has frp on which is there for exactly this reason and you want someone to help disable the security and unlock it so you can use it urself?
awesome sauce
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there is a major difference between blacklisted and carrier locked. i agree that the OP should call TMO and give them the IMEI so that they can then reach out to the rightful owner. From there, they would have to turn it into the police to allow reclamation to occur within the limits of the law. After the required time allotted by local laws elapses, and the phone is then returned to the finder, if not the original owner, it can then be considered legally owned and therefore unlockable etc etc etc. The police station will issue paperwork showing that it has been released to the person who turned it in and that would satiate me regarding offering help to unlock. Short of that, we will not help the OP do anything with this phone.
@themow we can definitely offer assistance in cases like these, but XDA does not support usage of phones when ownership is a grey area. There are laws in every state regarding things like this, and we do not condone actions that bypass said laws
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Yep I found it. And there is a difference between blocked and blacklisted.
I've been a member here for 8 years. I'd use a throw away account if I was doing anything shady.
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Unsure how your local laws work there are but here if you hand things in and the owner doesn't claim them in three months they become your legit property.
Once I found a newish bike and contacted the shop with the serial number to look up who bought it.
Shop was hopeless, took it to the police station, gave them shop details.
To my dismay 3 months later cops called saying come get it.
Anyway that's what I'd do, at least then your conscience would be free.
Ended up giving the bike to some addict (already got 4 bikes) but was bummed the shop didn't record serial numbers.
If you decide not to return it the procedure is to flash it using Odin but last June Samsung implemented something called KnoxGuard which can remotely lock misplaced devices (like iPhones).
I'm sure you've heard about people tracking devices & getting the law involved, as unlikely as that may be it could contain pictures priceless to the owner.
Good luck
I found a phone in a park. I tried charging in order to see if any owner info was available. It's been a while, but I think it wouldn't power up.
It was a Verizon phone, so I turned it into a Verizon store. I figured the carrier could find to whom it belonged.
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I found a phone in a park. I tried charging in order to see if any owner info was available. It's been a while, but I think it wouldn't power up.
It was a Verizon phone, so I turned it into a Verizon store. I figured the carrier could find to whom it belonged.
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you should have turned it in to a Sprint store, just to mess with them totally kidding, what you did was spot on. Youll never be able to claim ownership of the phone that way, but if you had no want in owning it anyways, then que ser a ser a?
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you should have turned it in to a Sprint store, just to mess with them totally kidding, what you did was spot on. Youll never be able to claim ownership of the phone that way, but if you had no want in owning it anyways, then que ser a ser a?
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Yeah, I think it was a Samsung. I just knew it wasn't mine and someone would be wanting their phone back. I would hope someone would do the same if they found mine.
pizza_pablo said:
Yeah, I think it was a Samsung. I just knew it wasn't mine and someone would be wanting their phone back. I would hope someone would do the same if they found mine.
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I think im safe saying this on behalf of everyone who has ever lost a phone and specifically from those of us at XDA, mods or not, thank you. Im the kind of guy who will stop my car and help people push a stalled vehicle, and i bet you are too. Just 2 weeks ago, i stopped and helped a lady put gas from a gas can into her vehicle because she couldnt get the spring loaded top to work in her gas filler spout. I ended up with gas on my hands and my next stop was the grocery store to buy vegetables for a soup i was planning for dinner. Having gas on your hands makes veggie shopping far less pleasurable than without LoL
anyways, actions like this are appreciated. Thank you again
Youdoofus said:
I think im safe saying this on behalf of everyone who has ever lost a phone and specifically from those of us at XDA, mods or not, thank you. Im the kind of guy who will stop my car and help people push a stalled vehicle, and i bet you are too. Just 2 weeks ago, i stopped and helped a lady put gas from a gas can into her vehicle because she couldnt get the spring loaded top to work in her gas filler spout. I ended up with gas on my hands and my next stop was the grocery store to buy vegetables for a soup i was planning for dinner. Having gas on your hands makes veggie shopping far less pleasurable than without LoL
anyways, actions like this are appreciated. Thank you again
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I agree! The Golden Rule applies in every facet of life! :good:
Holy Crap "themow" ive been looking for that phone for months
can you please send it back to me