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Not sure if this is the right section to post in as I have a slightly off topic question.
I'm looking to replace my desire as I have had it for nearly 2 years. The natural phone to get would be a sensation or galaxy s2. But these phones are too big, I don't need a 4.3" screen.
So I'm after a phone that is similar size to the desire but with a higher spec such as dual core and 1gb RAM.
So far, I found a Motorola atrix which meets my requirements, are there any others?
Thanks
Anyone got any views?
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Anyone got any views?
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One of the high-end Sony Ericcsons? I would stay with HTC though.
I would definetly stick with HTC. If you don't want Sensation (which is the best choice now imho) maybe Desire S/HD could be fine. Im just not sure if they have dual-core processor,
To be honest the list is very scarce...but I found a few phones that might meet your criteria.
Motorola MOTO XT882 and T-Mobile G2x have similar specs. They are both dual core phones, display size for both is 4.0 inches. In terms of internal memory both have 8 GB storage but 512 MB RAM.
As a wild card, there is LG Connect 4G MS840; that ticks all your boxes and will be released next month. However, is only CDMA device.
I am due an upgrade in the summer. Ironically, the bigger the better for me. The desire is on the small side and quite old now.
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maybe Desire S/HD could be fine. Im just not sure if they have dual-core processor,
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They don't.
SwiftKeyed from my HTC Desire using XDA App.
Spierbal said:
To be honest the list is very scarce...but I found a few phones that might meet your criteria.
Motorola MOTO XT882 and T-Mobile G2x have similar specs. They are both dual core phones, display size for both is 4.0 inches. In terms of internal memory both have 8 GB storage but 512 MB RAM.
As a wild card, there is LG Connect 4G MS840; that ticks all your boxes and will be released next month. However, is only CDMA device.
I am due an upgrade in the summer. Ironically, the bigger the better for me. The desire is on the small side and quite old now.
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Thanks for the reply, as you say there is not much available. If the atrix gets a working ICS rom, i will be getting that phone.
Wait for a proper Desire successor, just like the majority of us!
Hey All,
After drooling and patiently waiting since the start of the year, I finally have the oppurtunity to test out the One X during its launch here in Malaysia sometime last week. I didn't want to believe it at first, but there is definitely noticeable lag when playing around with the phone(scrolling through the home screens and playing RIP TIDE). Battery was full. It definitely feels slower than my HTC Sensation XE. This is kind of a deal breaker for me. There are some sites like techradar and pocketnow.com that acknowledges the lag and even androidforums which has a thread addressing the lag issues. ( I can't post the link here but you can google it and find it in the first few results )
To my understanding, the reason for the lag is that most apps aren't coded to utilise the 4cores. What is the point of buying a premium priced quadcore phone when all I'm getting in return is limitations? If I'm wrong please correct me, as I am very dissapointed and for now undecided whether to get the One X or not.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks all.
My phone seems really smooth to me, especially after changing the launcher to nova launcher.
Noticed the same thing. Quite strange considering everything looks more slimline compared to Sense 3.6 which runs flawless on the Sensation.
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Hey All,
After drooling and patiently waiting since the start of the year, I finally have the oppurtunity to test out the One X during its launch here in Malaysia sometime last week. I didn't want to believe it at first, but there is definitely noticeable lag when playing around with the phone(scrolling through the home screens and playing RIP TIDE). Battery was full. It definitely feels slower than my HTC Sensation XE. This is kind of a deal breaker for me. There are some sites like techradar and pocketnow.com that acknowledges the lag and even androidforums which has a thread addressing the lag issues. ( I can't post the link here but you can google it and find it in the first few results )
To my understanding, the reason for the lag is that most apps aren't coded to utilise the 4cores. What is the point of buying a premium priced quadcore phone when all I'm getting in return is limitations? If I'm wrong please correct me, as I am very dissapointed and for now undecided whether to get the One X or not.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks all.
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Well......I didn't use it, but I didn't really think it would lag in general usage and opening apps, scrolling, etc...browser lag seems to be software side as most of the early bugs are.
Yes, barely anything is coded for 4-cores besides a few benchmarks and certain Tegra Zone games. IMO the quad-core is more of a marketing push as being the first quad-core SoC etc....no real huge benefits. The low power companion core of Tegra 3 doesn't seem to do much either besides being used when screen is off or maybe playing a movie.
You can wait for the XL with S4 krait, which is a better chipset IMO all around in general. Newer architecture, newer cores, less heat, less energy, and performs better than Tegra 3 in some benchmarks while also losing in some, so they trade some blows. But Krait is generally the better SoC for everyday use and will be faster in general IMO.
It probably won't have the same dev support though as the One X, it's your choice on what you want.
I personally don't think Tegra 3 is that good of an SoC compared to Krait and what has even yet to come very soon. It probably performs the same as the Sensation when the extra 2 cores aren't being used because it's running 4 Cortex-A9 cores which are the same exact cores found in most of last years phones, just that theres 2 more haha
My opinion would be to get the XL or wait till other phones start dropping, then make a choice.
Well, even single core phone should be able to handle everything smoothly if its software is done good for it and it's pretty obvious that Htc One X has slightly unfinished software so it could been released early, before Samsung, LG, Huawei, etc... Software can be later optimised for the device with upcoming updates.
I think its more sense needs tweaking tbh, when you put nova launcher on which practically makes it very similar to to stock ICS its buttery smooth even going in and out app draw and scrolling widgets, my GN wasn't as smooth in that situation.
Yeah I agree. Coming from a SGS2 the HTC OneX does have lag issues when scrolling through homescreens, going in and out of app launcher and especially when going into the multitasking menu.
Though i feel like Sense is to blame here.
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browser lag is caused by HTC swipe 3 finger mode, disable for full speed browser
launcher lag is caused by two factors, performance scaling with battery level and android memfree/priority values, they are flowed in ICS and HTC didn't seem to have tweaked them
easy to fix if you have root using the supercharger, it prevents apps pilling up in the background and conflicting in priority
my single core 2 years old snapdargon 2 Desire HD runs Sense @ a brisk locked 60fps thanks to supercharger
there is also the matter of ultra smooth rosie (flattening the Sense launcher 3D widgets) but i don't think the GPU on Tegra3 will need this
so yes most likely supercharger, sorry to break it to you but apparently we still need to root with an HTC device
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-1-7...712/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Looks like att is going to get the new one x with the Tegra 3 processor and lte. They mention a possible q3 release date. Just curious how many of you would jump to it even though the s4 is still so new. I myself paid full price for mine yet would be very tempted to buy this outright too. If the only difference is the processor, probably not. Have to also think about going through the whole bootloader locked fiasco again.
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I am very happy with my one x and I don't care if the new one x will be full hd, quad core 2.5ghz and 3000mAh battery except there will be choice between pure aosp and sense provided by htc. I'm not gonna change it until a new nexus series phone will released because there is nothing like pure aosp feel and getting updates earlier than other devices.
Only if you're willing to give up medianet for an almost doubled bill just for a little faster internet.
Tegra 3, LTE and 720p display? That will demolish the battery no end.
They surely can't keep the same battery then?
gotta admit the HTC one X is the best phone I've ever owned.
I've had an Iphone 3 and 4. HTC sensation XL and now this beautiful piece of hardware.
Just decide to root and mod it and put Coredroid rom on it.
Don't give me Tegra, I want Snapdragon S4 quadcore with Adreno 320.
Tegra 3 wouldn't hold a candle to that, even at 2 GHz.
Tegra3 is outdated ... S4 Quadcore would be better ....
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Tegra3 is outdated ... S4 Quadcore would be better ....
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we will see early what happen with the new jelly bean....i think that both HTC and Samsung work hard to improve their quad core for the new android os ....
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we will see early what happen with the new jelly bean....i think that both HTC and Samsung work hard to improve their quad core for the new android os ....
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Yeah. Hopefully they'll release it polished, not in a rush.
Hopefully HTC does a few more visual tweaks and actually optimizes the browser for 4.1, and perhaps an optimization of the ROM for lower RAM usage and higher performance...
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Hopefully HTC does a few more visual tweaks and actually optimizes the browser for 4.1, and perhaps an optimization of the ROM for lower RAM usage and higher performance...
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..and on top of all that, extend the phone's battery life.
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..and on top of all that, extend the phone's battery life.
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For the Tegra 3, there's still a ways to go as they haven't eeked out all possible powersavings from the complicated aSMP system, but for other SoCs power savings will be hard to come by...
firstly we are still running on a GB kernel...once the new kernel source gets released then you shall see the difference in speeds and performance
Hey guys, I love the look of this phone, my favorite color scheme has always been red and black. But I don't want a good looking phone if its not going to perform like I want it to.
So my first concern is developer support. Since this is a very slight upgrade it is possible not many people in the development community will buy it unless it is compatible with the International One X roms? Will this be the case or not?
Second is to due with the Tegra 3. From my understanding the new S4 Pro destroys this processor. My current phone being a sensation which constantly lags I don't want to ever be subject to lag again. Is there really that much of a difference in the two processors?
Third is to due with the ram, 1gb compared to the 2gb in phones coming out now seems lackluster. What do you guys think of this, is it a huge limitation or is the 2gb of ram a fad?
Thanks guys
Well personally I think that 2 GB of RAM is too much. A phone really doesn't need that much. The One X and One X+ uses the Tegra 3 CPU but of a different variant so I guess most ROMs can be ported easily.
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So yeah, the speed test was in another language so o don't know what he was saying. He basically set up a timer and spammed the phone with a load of apps. The HTC ended up coming in last against the Samesung S7 and G5. My question is, sure it came in last, but who the hell is really gonna use their phone like that?? It's not realistic in the slightest. On top of that the 10 is still pre release which makes me think this could have been done deliberately to try and make the 10 look bad and the S7 look good as most reviewers do. What do you guys think? I'll update the post with a link to the video
Those types of tests come up from time to time. Most of the time they should just be ignored because they're not really indicative of anything. Maybe the S7 had everything already cached in RAM, or maybe the G5 had fewer background apps. Either way for 99.98% of people all three phones are basically identical in terms of performance, and really performance hasn't really mattered for a long time in Android. These days, there are more important things to look for than SoC.
I thought I read that the S7 is faster at multitasking whereas the HTC 10 is faster at single tasks.
In the end, jcracken is correct. The 10, S7, and G5 are pretty much the same. All fast.
I agree, they have similar internals. Make your choice on real things like LCD vs AMOLED, modular vs enclosed, wireless charging with micro USB vs USB C, heavy android skins vs minor customizations and the list goes on. These are the things that will identify if a phone is best for you (notice I didn't say best, there is no best just best for you). Not opening and closing apps. If you don't have multiple phones you won't even notice the millisecond difference.
The post about the s7 being faster at multi tasking and the 10 being faster at single tasks... Unless you are talking about the s7 with the Exynos processor, the s7 and the 10, and the g5 for that matter, are all running the exact same processors, that means same amount of cores, same amount of threads, same amount of onboard cache... The only thing I could see making a big enough difference to be noticeable would be the amount of cached processes after a fresh boot, meaning how much junk did the manufacturer and or carrier add to the device such as bloatware. In this situation the 10 has been noticeably lighter than the others in terms of skin mods and bloat, it is the closest to pure Google edition or straight android experience as you can get from these 3. However as others have said, these processors have been so fast in the last few years that it really doesn't make any noticeable difference for daily use because they are all ridiculously fast. This fact that this person used a test that can't be reproduced exactly, and can't be compared to a baseline or huge database of identical tests, shows that he has no idea what he is doing and leads me to believe his results will be biased towards his personal preference. The real results you are looking for will be from a benchmarking software, not from a user opening endless amounts of apps with a stopwatch. Look at Antutu and 3dMark... There may be better ones around now but for me these have been good reliable data. Keyword being DATA. Hope this helps.
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The post about the s7 being faster at multi tasking and the 10 being faster at single tasks... Unless you are talking about the s7 with the Exynos processor, the s7 and the 10, and the g5 for that matter, are all running the exact same processors, that means same amount of cores, same amount of threads, same amount of onboard cache... The only thing I could see making a big enough difference to be noticeable would be the amount of cached processes after a fresh boot, meaning how much junk did the manufacturer and or carrier add to the device such as bloatware. In this situation the 10 has been noticeably lighter than the others in terms of skin mods and bloat, it is the closest to pure Google edition or straight android experience as you can get from these 3. However as others have said, these processors have been so fast in the last few years that it really doesn't make any noticeable difference for daily use because they are all ridiculously fast. This fact that this person used a test that can't be reproduced exactly, and can't be compared to a baseline or huge database of identical tests, shows that he has no idea what he is doing and leads me to believe his results will be biased towards his personal preference. The real results you are looking for will be from a benchmarking software, not from a user opening endless amounts of apps with a stopwatch. Look at Antutu and 3dMark... There may be better ones around now but for me these have been good reliable data. Keyword being DATA. Hope this helps.
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How would it help me open up applications faster on my PC if I were to upgrade from a 2008 i7-920 to a 2015 i7-6700K (+50%-+120% faster) if I'd still be using a hard drive for my operating system and applications?
It would still have the slow hard drive, despite upgrading to a significantly faster CPU, which would be the bottleneck when opening programs or booting the operating system itself.
The SoC is irrelevant in this discussion if the app is not already in memory. If it's not in memory, it's going to be loaded from the internal NAND, which is what will make the difference.
And if the recently opened app is not in memory, then they're doing something wrong. 4GB's of RAM is a ridiculous amount and with zRAM enabled you can fit loads of stuff there.
Last year the M9 was faster than the S6 (and G4 if memory serves correct) in this kind of a test, sure the first round of app opening was slower on the M9 but the M9 held the apps in memory where as the S6 dumped them almost immediately and on the second round M9 blasted past the S6 because M9 was opening the apps from memory (fast) while the S6 was opening them from the NAND (slow).
Because of that, the M9 was one of the best phones for multitasking. Looks like Samsung learned their lesson.
The HTC 10 uses iNAND 7232 (TLC + ~0.5-1GB SLC cache, eMMC5.1) from Sandisk.
Where as the S7/S7E and LG G5 use UFS storage.
Whether or not the eMMC5.1 is a serious enough bottleneck compared to the UFS in regard to opening apps etcetera remains to be seen.
I haven't seen any reliable random 4K read/write numbers (which are important when opening apps, updating them etc from NAND) of the HTC 10.
I'm waiting for Joshua Ho from Anandtech to release his review, which will unfortunately take a while as he's got exams and as a cherry on top they've been doing a major overhaul to their WiFi testing. His S7/S7E review part 2 will arrive first though.
Thankfully I'm not in a hurry to order this phone
This review shows how slow the HTC 10 is at opening certain apps. All down to storage performance?
Does anyone know how much of a performance impact using adoptable storage would have on the phone? Would love to have one 128gb partition rather than the internal memory plus SD card. But just unsure about how if affects performance.
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Does anyone know how much of a performance impact using adoptable storage would have on the phone? Would love to have one 128gb partition rather than the internal memory plus SD card. But just unsure about how if affects performance.
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Well what do you think? Not every SD card is created equal.
If you buy a SD card with really slow random 4K read/write speeds, yes it will impact it a lot.
If you buy a fast one, not that big of an impact*.
Most of the time SD cards have lousy random 4K speeds because the best of the best, crem de la crem NAND chips end up in SSD's and phone NAND storage and so on, SD cards get the lowest quality.
Also SD card manufacturers don't advertise these random 4K numbers so you're going to have to be the Sherlock Holmes yourself and do the research into what is the best product for me.
SD card manufacturers only boast about the sequential read/write speeds which are only relevant with 4K recording or downloading/transferring large files and so on where as opening apps and updating apps and doing this and that stuff on your phone is not sequential so don't focus on those numbers, they're irrelevant with adoptable storage..
Take a look at the page 1 of "MicroSD speed spec" thread over in the "HTC 10 Questions & Answers" subforum, I talked more about this over there and don't feel like typing all of that again.
Here's a direct link to my post there.
*This of course depends on how fast the HTC 10 iNAND 7232 is in regard to random 4K read/write, haven't seen any reliable numbers yet.
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How would it help me open up applications faster on my PC if I were to upgrade from a 2008 i7-920 to a 2015 i7-6700K (+50%-+120% faster) if I'd still be using a hard drive for my operating system and applications?
It would still have the slow hard drive, despite upgrading to a significantly faster CPU, which would be the bottleneck when opening programs or booting the operating system itself.
The SoC is irrelevant in this discussion if the app is not already in memory. If it's not in memory, it's going to be loaded from the internal NAND, which is what will make the difference.
And if the recently opened app is not in memory, then they're doing something wrong. 4GB's of RAM is a ridiculous amount and with zRAM enabled you can fit loads of stuff there.
Last year the M9 was faster than the S6 (and G4 if memory serves correct) in this kind of a test, sure the first round of app opening was slower on the M9 but the M9 held the apps in memory where as the S6 dumped them almost immediately and on the second round M9 blasted past the S6 because M9 was opening the apps from memory (fast) while the S6 was opening them from the NAND (slow).
Because of that, the M9 was one of the best phones for multitasking. Looks like Samsung learned their lesson.
The HTC 10 uses iNAND 7232 (TLC + ~0.5-1GB SLC cache, eMMC5.1) from Sandisk.
Where as the S7/S7E and LG G5 use UFS storage.
Whether or not the eMMC5.1 is a serious enough bottleneck compared to the UFS in regard to opening apps etcetera remains to be seen.
I haven't seen any reliable random 4K read/write numbers (which are important when opening apps, updating them etc from NAND) of the HTC 10.
I'm waiting for Joshua Ho from Anandtech to release his review, which will unfortunately take a while as he's got exams and as a cherry on top they've been doing a major overhaul to their WiFi testing. His S7/S7E review part 2 will arrive first though.
Thankfully I'm not in a hurry to order this phone
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Whoa thanks for sharing Anandtech with me, I had no idea such a thorough reviewer existed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results
So thanks.
And here's a quick quote from Anandtech
In this test at least, write performance of the HTC 10 is 75% greater than the Samsung MLC UFS solution in the Galaxy S7 due to the use of an SLC write cache. However, sequential reads on the Galaxy S7 are about 35% higher than what they are on the HTC 10.
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It's not that bad.
Quick question, can you set pictures to save to sd card but everything else on internal?
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Quick question, can you set pictures to save to sd card but everything else on internal?
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yes you can
theres an option to save to external storage in the default camera app
The one area HTC's been getting flak in the benchmark wars? Storage. HTC opted for a SanDisk part for internal storage, and that part is an eMMC 5.1 chip versus the objectively faster UFS 2.0 found in the Galaxy S7 and LG G5. Testing bears this out - in the Androidbench storage benchmark suite, the HTC 10 is very clearly slower than its rivals from Samsung and LG. Here are my abbreviated results.
Sequential read: 435MB/s (S7), 251MB/s (10), 459MB/s (G5)
Sequential write: 150MB/s (S7), 74MB/s (10), 134MB/s (G5)
Random read: 121MB/s (S7), 32MB/s (10), 88MB/s (G5)
Random write: 17MB/s (S7), 14MB/s (10), 16MB/s (G5)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...good-phone-but-one-that-costs-too-much-money/
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I came across this, seems very different then the anandtech one. Would really like to get a clearer picture to the performance of the storage.
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I came across this, seems very different then the anandtech one. Would really like to get a clearer picture to the performance of the storage.
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Looks to me like they're using AndroBench's default settings.
Comparing those to Ars Technica's numbers, looks like Android Authority didn't even bother changing the sequential to 256KB from the default 32768KB...
Anandtech is a website that does objective, thorough testing and for example uses settings in AndroBench that actually reflect how real world applications on Android read or write to/from the NAND.
I'll just leave these here
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I don't enjoy calling out other sites for poor testing methodology but I can at least explain how Ars Technica arrived at those results.
In short, they're using AndroBench's default settings other than changing sequential to 256KB.
The default settings are designed to give a huge advantage to UFS in ways that real apps generally do not.
By default, AndroBench uses 8 IO threads for all of its tests.
This behavior showed up with AndroBench 4 and continues in AndroBench 4.1.
eMMC is half-duplex, and designed for single-threaded IO tasks.
It's not the greatest system, but it is the most common storage in use in Android phones, so applications are going to be designed for eMMC storage instead of the 5 or so phones that are shipping with UFS storage.
Multi-threaded IO actually can negatively affect storage performance with eMMC because of resource contention issues, so in general it's rare to see multi-threaded IO in real apps.
This leads to the results that Ars Technica is seeing.
There's also an element of variability with AndroBench out of the box because the file size is 64MB.
I've found that in the move from AndroBench 3.6 to 4.1 that the test has become far less stable and results can vary significantly from run to run, so I usually take the mode of multiple runs to get a result to report.
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I can confidently say that almost no app developer designs their app based on eMMC or UFS storage. No one cares what kind of storage is in a phone.
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That's fair, but generally speaking it's more difficult to implement multithreading than not. Using 8 threads for IO is going to be a rare situation at best.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/4erulh/htc_10_a_quick_look_at_battery_life_storage/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/htc-10-review-htc-builds-the-best-android-flagship-of-2016/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results
Here's Anandtech's Galaxy S7 (SD820) numbers
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10120/the-samsung-galaxy-s7-review/3
If the guy in the video isn't speaking English, he probably has the exynos. The video that was posted is also an exynos. It's widely known that the exynos is a beast, but the US variant will have SD 820.
I want to see the speed test that runs an app requiring root on both phones.